A photo essay
By Raïssa Robles
Metro Manila and surrounding provinces drowned today.
Government critics quickly seized this as a sign that God was angry at Philippine President Benigno Aquino and everyone who helped get the Reproductive Health bill onto the floor of Congress.
Dramatic shot of a Metro Manila skyline amid the rains by Adrian Dungo at http://adriandungo.weebly.com/
Consider this screed from a Facebook site devoted to slanging PNoy and praising the former president Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, the former Supreme Court Chief Justice Renato Corona and the former dictator Ferdinand Marcos. It used the same photo above and interpreted it this way:
Congresswoman Mitos Magsaysay, who has announced her intention to run for senator, joined in:
But the anti-RH backers were unable to explain – if God was angry, why did He pour His wrath on that bastion of Catholic religious fervor – the University of Santo Tomas? Go figure.
Surging floods swept through the first floor of the UST hospital this morning –
UST grounds were transformed into a lake –
Then members of the pro-RH bloc shot back:
Others joined in saying government was not to blame for everything:
The volume of the rains had surpassed Ondoy:
It turned the North Luzon Expressway into a raging river –
North Luzon Expressway photo posted on Facebook by Chrischug
My hubby Alan, who was science and environment editor for The Manila Chronicle newspaper for over eight years, summed up Metro Manila’s problem on his Facebook page:
- Where are the forested canopies and slopes that might absorb some of the rainfall? – Gone.
- Where are the channels and esteros that the rains could drain into? – Clogged.
- What about the Lake of Bay that would have acted as a basin to catch the overflow? – Silted over.
- And the city’s sewers? – Full of litter and garbage and inadequate in coverage
- The coordinated infrastructure development plans to make sure strategic and flood prone areas aren’t occupied? – Surely you jest
- The responsible local government officials working together to prevent or minimize catastrophes, to regulate the dumping of trash and industrial waste into waterways, control the building of fishpens and maintain flood contol projects? – Pardon?
- The citizens working to hold their officials responsible and doing what they can to avoid stressing the environment? – Zzzzz
You may commence drowning
Faced with such enormous problems and years of inaction and neglect by the government, Filipinos inevitably turned to humor:
What can I say?
baycas says
More photos…
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2012/08/cleanup_begins_after_massive_f.html
Shock & Awe says
It’s more like, God saying, if you don’t take care of your population control, then I will.
I gave you the power of free will, to think like I think, and to keep the planet, the animals, and all that I created safe, and this is how you destroy it by over population? The stewardship of the planet is in your hands, and this is what you do? You eat everything, you reproduce so frequently that you are devastating the planet I created, then if you do nothing to curb your reproduction, then I will do it for you.
The tsunami was a warning, the floods are a warning, fire is a warning, each earthquake, volcanic eruption is a sign of my power. If you do not believe in me, and want to see the scientific explanation behind it. It is the same. It’s a warning that you through your own sexual appetites are destroying this planet, and I will not see that done. Hallowed be My name, I don’t think you know the meaning.
RH bill or not, you seem to live worse than how I envisioned in my first edition of the Bible.
Loud Too says
By the way, nag skul bukol na naman si sotto. nangopya pala ng script sa isang blogger. Di naniniwala sa sinasabi ng doctor na safe ang pills pero bilib na bilib sa isang blogger na di naman doctor… tanga to the max talaga
Alizarin Viridia says
KATAKAWAN BAKA MAGING BULA
GREED TURNS TO BUBBLE
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Ayala to turn FTI property into new business district
Agence France-Presse
Posted at 08/14/2012 6:58 PM | Updated as of 08/14/2012 7:11 PM
MANILA – The real estate arm of Philippine conglomerate Ayala Corp. said Tuesday it planned to create another major business district in Manila after casting the highest bid for a government property.
Ayala Land offered P24.33 billion ($579 million), more than two other real estate firms, for the Food Terminal industrial estate, the company and government officials said.
The 74-hectare (183-acre) property is located near major government highways and will become “the southern gateway” to Manila, Ayala Land said.”
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Yung sobrang katakawan ng mga CEO at bank owners sa mundo naging bula pumutok naging economic crisis. Pati sa mayamang bansa, Milyon nawalan ng trabaho. Ang ekonomiya sa Metro Manila nakalutang sa takaw sa komersiyo ng mga taipan.
Bakit hindi magpatayo pagawaan ng sari-saring produkto mula kotse, damit, kagamitan electronic at elecktricidad at hindi puro restoran ang tinda tuloy-tuloy sa kubeta? Taga tinda at taga bili ng mga produktong galling tsina, Thailand at Indonesia na lang ba ang kapalaran ng Filipino? Ang gobierno parang si Paquiao panay shadow boxing sa dilim kaya ang anino impossibleng tamaan.
TIGILAN ANG KATAKAWAN SA NEGOSYO, MAGTAYO NG MGA PABRIKA.
Alizarin Viridia says
After just more than 2 years, Pres Aquino is NOW beginning to realize, how it is to wake up on top of Smoky Mountain. Savants and pundits, those in media and governance SAY give em, the whole works to local officials. I said here Devolving powers and Decentralizing activities to local govt units is not easy; like aspirin and noodle to take care of aches and hunger. Local Autonomy Could backfire.
IT was PAGASA’s allowances yesterday, today it’s the nation’s capital MANILA that is BROKE. .
NOW READ ON:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/250013/manila-deep-in-debt-coa
Manila deep in debt –COA
By Gil C. Cabacungan
Philippine Daily Inquirer 12:23 am | Wednesday, August 15th, 2012 Share on facebook_likeShare
As if his problems with mounting garbage caused by the recent typhoon were not enough, Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim may find his city in a financial bind after the Commission on Audit (COA) reported the other day that the local government unit does not have enough cash to pay its debts caused by a bloated workforce.
Alizarin Viridia says
In the latest report uploaded on its website, the COA said the Manila city government has unpaid debts of P3.553 billion, or more than three times its cash holdings of P1.006 billion.
State auditors said Manila’s payroll exceeded the mandatory spending limit of 45 percent of the total annual income from regular sources realized in the preceding fiscal year.
The COA estimated that Manila should have forked out only P2.458 billion in 2011 based on its P5. 462 billion income in 2010. But the city actually shelled out P3.424 billion in salaries and retirement benefits, on top of the P260.95 million in “financial assistance” it gave to its officials and employees.
The COA said the huge sums were erroneously recorded under the maintenance and other operating expenses account, when they should have been classified under personal services.
Apart from its tax dues to the Bureau of Internal Revenue, the COA said the city did not remit employee contributions to the Government Service Insurance System, Home Development Mutual Fund (Pag-Ibig) and Philippine Health Insurance Corp (Philhealth).
Alizarin Viridia says
There were also delays in the turnover of the revenue share of the city’s 896 barangays worth P511.391 million, hampering the delivery of basic services and the implementation of development projects and programs of the city, it added.
The COA questioned the decisions of city officials not only in collecting penalties, surcharges and interest from 6,126 delinquent tax payers, but also in giving them P40.812 million in tax discounts without any legal basis, further reducing the city’s revenues.
“The City Treasurer gave the assurance that the tax discounts granted without legal basis shall be included in the computation of the business taxes, fees and charges due the concerned taxpayers in the succeeding year,” said the COA.
Apart from maintaining a shaky balance sheet, the COA also questioned Manila’s accounting policies.
It said an annual physical count of Manila’s property, plant and equipment yielded only an inventory worth P6.718 billion, or P7.060 billion of its supposed total asset holding, with an acquisition cost of P13.778 billion.
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If you have reached this far . . . . Manila is our capital city, the poorer and poorest city may not be in such deep trouble. The country fell into a shallow quicksand, its feet already touched bottom, but the surface is at eye level. Can Pres Aquino pull the country out? Not in just the remaining four years.
neil says
ang mga filipino saka lang naman umaaksyon kapag may problema.. in short reactive. let us all be proactive… di na ba tayo na22 sa ondoy.. hoy gising!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mightyfirefighter says
The recent calamity has nothing to do with the RH Bill. It is not in any form of punishment but is simply a natural calamity that has been happening even during the ancient times. People died and suffered as a result of the calamity not because God wanted to punish anybody. People died and suffered due to their own stupidity or stubbornness for not getting out of harms way or for not getting prepared, not because God is playing god.
I have been told by our parish priest since I was a child that God is a loving father and that His love for his children is unconditional. I find this difficult to reconcile with the CBCP’s and other anti-rh’ position that what has just happened is a wrath of God. How should we also refer to those people who died/suffered as a result of the calamity but has nothing to do with the bill? Collateral damage? Because God is so insecure and that desperate to catch the attention of Pnoy and the congressmen who are in favor of the bill, He was that willing to let some people suffer/die?
Alizarin Viridia says
MERON KINALAMAN BA ITO, TUGON BA ITO SA
TALUMPATI NG MISTER NI HELEN? aHHH
SUPERSTITION AS SINEWS OF THE PEOPLE.
‘Helen’ storm signals raised
By Helen Flores (The Philippine Star) Updated August 14, 2012 12:00 AMComments (4)
Manila, Philippines – Several areas in Northern Luzon were placed under public storm warning signal number 1 as tropical depression “Helen” intensified into a storm yesterday and moved closer to the country.
The Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical and Astronomical Services Administration (PAGASA) raised storm warning signal no. 1 over Quirino, Aurora, Isabela, Kalinga, Apayao, Cagayan, Babuyan, Calayan group of islands and Batanes group of islands.
Alizarin Viridia says
what a coincidence; ka-first name noong reporter yung bagyo, ganoon din
yung asawa ng senador. tatlong HELEN of the Philippines?
Alizarin Viridia says
Here’s a more comprehensive, more informative punditry of the flood problem in Metro Manila. Thanks to Mr. Paredes and MALAYA Online.
http://www.malaya.com.ph/index.php/opinion/10646-a-flood-free-metro-manila
short lifted parts: “We are told that the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) has a master plan for effective and comprehensive flood management in the region up to 2035. This will, however, cost at least P351.72 billion in infrastructure spending. The DPWH plan would also “develop a safe society that is resilient to floods,” as per the plans of the DPWH’s Project Management Office for Major Flood Control Projects.
On July 31, the National Economic and Development Authority’s (Neda) Sub-Committee on Water Resources approved the plan, which covers a total of 11 infrastructure projects, including the construction of a large dam in Marikina that will cost P198.43 billion.” Try the link above to read more.
But, HOWEVER, DPWH’s plan does not even approach what I have in mind which I am trying to solicit by giving hints to CPMers.
Alizarin Viridia says
But, HOWEVER, DPWH’s plan does not even approach what I have in mind which I am trying to solicit by giving hints to CPMers.
I mentioned here a few times that what we should think of is not a long range solution but a PERMANENT ONE. Example? Right under our noses este noses of the IFUGAOS are conditions THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE and not just accept. Call it brokeback or cold mountain. I have not been to Banawe, but it will be a hydrologic, meteorologic, etc. rarest spectacle to watch during very strong typhoons the storm waters merrily flow from the top to the lowest terrace.
More permanent solutions? The problem of invaders may no longer exists, still the Great Walls of China stands proud against feared invaders of antiquities. Ships can not take SHORT CUTS over land, so the Egyptians cut and dig land and rocks to build the Suez Canal. Also did the Pharaohs build the Pyramids as permanent solutions to EGO POWER? I am not sure. There is more and one fits like a Nike shoes to the flood problems of Metro Manila. CPMer’s guess should be as good as mine.
HUH? DPWH plan to build a 100 kilometer long dike or spillway in Laguna de Bay by 2035. HUH?
Alizarin Viridia says
If P Noy or his henchmen who read his emails but doesn’t’ answer when P Noy was still the unpresidential candidate HAVE ALSO READ the above posting, they should be reminded of SOME suggested views on lazy but quality work hours which produced the termites’ backlash called Noynoying.
Also ABOUT a written solution to gradually restore the pristine condition of Laguna Lake which MUST NOT BE claimed to have caused the cancellation of a bilateral (with Belgium) 18.7 billion pesos DREDGING project.
Sobrang NAPAKAMAHAL naman minanang project ni P Noy. Mahirap yan pag country to country na ang corruption, international na ang INVOKED na kahiyaan.
Alizarin Viridia says
If P Noy or his henchmen who read his emails but doesn’t’ answer when P Noy was still the unpresidential candidate HAVE ALSO READ the above posting, they should be reminded of SOME suggested views on lazy but quality work hours which produced the termites’ backlash called Noynoying.
Also ABOUT a written solution to gradually restore the pristine condition of Laguna Lake which MUST NOT BE claimed to have caused the cancellation of a bilateral (with Belgium) 18.7 billion pesos DREDGING project. Sobrang NAPAKAMAHAL naman minanang project ni P Noy. Mahirap yan pag country to country na ang corruption, international na ang INVOKED na kahiyaan.
isellnuts says
Copied from another blogsite.
IS THE FILIPINO A STUPID CREATURE?
Monday, June 7, 2010, 9:19Culture, Lifestyle, Society289 comments
(This is a repost one of my personal blog vent-outs, and now has some rewritten parts. It remains very relevant today)
Some years ago, a friend of mine when he took a taxi did the customary conversation with the driver. The latter lapped on with the usual statement that life is hard, etc. My friend asked why life is hard for the driver. The reply was that the driver has two women, and thus a lot of children to feed from both. My friend then answered, “well it’s your fault that life is hard,” and it went back to the “life is what you make it” wisdom.
This friend of mine also shares with me a certain view: it is hard to change our view that the Filipino is a stupid creature. Like the driver in the taxi, Filipinos just keep on doing the stupidest things without even being concerned whether what they do is right or wrong. Rather, they defend everything they do as right.
They elect a gambler, drunk and womanizer to the highest office in the country; it’s right daw. They suspect their spouse is cheating and cheat the same; it’s right daw. They steal money from an employer because they were denied a raise; it’s right daw. A lady is cheated by her husband, and gets treated like trash, is even battered, but she sticks to her husband despite his obvious harem of women, just to keep the family image intact; it’s right daw. They throw trash on the street and call you stupid for keeping your candy wrapper in your pocket until you find a trash can. Now with the scattered candy wrappers clogging the drains and causing floods, who’s stupid?
When someone like Adam Carolla, Alec Baldwin or Teri Hatcher says something true yet scathing about Filipinos, the latter flares up in a needless rage, while other countries would take such snipes in stride. When they learn that a chocolate product has their name on it (Filipinos Bar), they chase after the company, saying that it is insulting them; meanwhile, other countries would not mind seeing their nationality used as a brand name. Filipinos also habitually spew hot air all over the place, claiming to be the best, when all that they are is the best in boasting. Then news comes of a Filipino animation company that openly committed dishonesty towards a foreign company. Then they wonder why the advanced other countries “oppress” us poor Filipinos.
Of course the example of the taxi driver is one of stupidity thanks to corrupted values and thinking in this country. Some people think that procreation is an absolute must; so when they’re in love, they should have sex and produce children. Why do they do it even if they earn barely enough for themselves? Just because the church said you could (and should) “go forth and multiply“? Hello, that is so OLD Testament. We don’t do that anymore. Hmmm, come to think of it, some have sex thinking that they won’t have children from it. Then the children come out. “Bahala na,” the parents say.
OK, so some people will tell me that I’m cruel to think of other people as stupid. Or even racist to say “Filipinos are stupid.” But the thing is, open your eyes… there they are. Stupidity is a biting reality. Well, for me, at least there are a lot of dumb Filipinos. Those who wouldn’t know a spoon from a fork even if you explain it to them. They’ll just say pareho lang ‘yan, gamit pang-kain. You tell them what’s right and wrong, but they can embrace the wrong even if they know it’s wrong. They may or may not rationalize that it’s right for them, but you’re dead right that they’re dead wrong. “Di naman ‘yan magiging masama kung di mo iisipin na masama ‘yan.” Yeah, right.
However, in conclusion, I would agree that the Filipino is not necessarily dumb. Many Filpinos are “matalino” and all that… they’re just not using their coconut shells. They choose not to. Or they tend to use it the wrong way. Now that I see it, it’s not that they’re stupid. Nagpapakastupid. Nagpapakatanga. Nagpapakabobo. They’re not really stupid. They pretend to be stupid because they think it makes life easier. After all, the thinking process is a painful act.
But exercise can be a necessarily painful act to order to have a healthy body. No pain, no gain. Why can’t they exercise their thoughts to have a healthier mind? It is because Juan Tamad is an influential role model? Or is it just that people always want the good life and are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary for a meaningful and not just a good life? Pakasarap lang ang nasa isip ng mga iyon.
Also, after pretending for so long, can it be that the pretension soon becomes the truth?
Stupidizing the culture can also be blamed on the media (that is owned by local oligarchs). There are lots of “dumb” heroes on screen, which the likes of Judy Ann Santos, Andrew E and Angel Locsin have portrayed. Even foreign media is to blame, with Forrest Gump and Mr. Bean becoming cult icons. It reinforces the myth that dumb people can be happier than wealthy or intelligent people, and that intelligent and wealthy people do not deserve to be happy. So “dumbing down” has been the trend in popular culture, and it has rubbed off on its viewers. And it is a harmful influence.
Filipinos also love to pass the buck; they either blame other people for their problems (GMA) or depend on other people to improve their condition (Noynoy). But they never look to themselves to see if the problem is with them. I rest my case: the stupid are still around. Or at least those who choose to be stupid. And one aspect of the solution to our country’s problems is to de-stupidize the Filipino – not impossible but certainly hard to do at this point in time. But then again, John F. Kennedy said that the harder things are more worth doing.
Alizarin Viridia says
I am not sure if there is a difference. But Filipinos may be
stupid but THEY ARE NOT IDIOTS though many, many
of them at home and abroad keep GLUED to their
idiot boxes watching stupid dramas.
isellnuts says
Idiot is the first cousin of stupid!
Cha says
@isellnuts
It’s a tough pill to swallow but what you have here pretty much sums up what ails Philippine society these days.
I would normally cringe when fellow Filipinos are the first to say the worst things about their countrymen simply because they are usually said with no other apparent reason than to ridicule and belittle what is actually a part of themselves. In your case, it is quite clear to me that the intent is to dig deeper and point out the kind of mentality that has led to and keeps our country stuck in this sorry state of affairs where it is now.
And I like how you end it by saying change is not impossible, although certainly hard to do. The quote from JFK then finshes it off to perfection.
If I may just be allowed to contribute some thoughts; i believe that those of us who are able to appreciate the problem have the opportunity and the responsibility to act on “the harder things that are worth doing”. Everytime that we speak up and undertake to correct or even simply point out to an incorrect approach or way of doing things among those in our own circle of influence, we are creating ripples that hopefully can keep multiplyimg.
When we see someone throw litter on the street, we can’t just shrug our shoulders and then turn around as if we didn’t see anything, we have to say something to the offender, just like your friend did pointing out to his taxi driver that life is hard because he made it hard. Sometimes, it seems it’s not enough to just walk the talk. We might also need to talk and talk until people get it and then they too can walk and talk.
Thanks isellnuts for sharing your “talk”. I would suggest sending it to Inquirer, Rappler etc (if you hadn’t done that yet) for publication. Your message needs to be heard by so many more.
Johnny lin says
Latest ABS CBN NEWS:
Ciara Sotto defends her father Vic from twitter bashers.
This news pertains to #85
Maybe our friend Mel could attach this link .
Mel says
priscila sereno -reyes says
mas makakabuti kay tito sotto ay huwag na lang mag salita kasi iyong nangyari sa buhay nila ay personal na nila iyon ilalagay niya sa di mabuti ang kinabukasan ng Pilipinas dahil lang sa nagyari sa kanila,ang asawa lang niya ang makapagpapalinag kung ano ang ginawa niya sa pills. also iyong mga nakaraan niya ay lumalabas nanaman.
isellnuts says
To sum it up, cousins stupid and idiot rightfully belong to the senator.
filipino_mom says
i had suffered two miscarriages before i finally had my first child. before that, i had to take birth control pills to regulate my periods SO THAT I CAN HAVE CHILDREN. did i blame the pills for my miscarriages? no. i chose to talk to my doctor, do research, get second opinions so that i can understand what happened to my babies. i lost both on their second month, when they already had heartbeats, so it was painful. i chose not to form my own opinion because i’m not a doctor, i’m an engineer. i did not closet myself into a box and blame, blame, blame contraceptives for my misfortune. before i had my son, i still had to go through the birth control pill cycle again to regulate my periods. my son is now almost two, he is a healthy, beautiful boy and worth the sacrifices my husband and i made to ensure he’ll live. maybe the good senator should have looked elsewhere for answers for their own family’s sorrow and not demonize something which will ultimately benefit mothers, their children and their families. he should rise above personal biases because he’s supposed to be a senator of the people, not senator or mr and mrs sotto.
filipino_mom says
sorry, should be: not senator OF mr and mrs sotto.
Johnny lin says
Sen Vic Sotto claimed his crusade against RH bill is personal. His daughter claied on Twitter that her patents opposition on contraceptives is personal based on the death of a 5 month old son 37 years ago which they blame from Helen Gamboa’s intake of contraceptive pills.
Sotto has all the right launching his personal crusade. The family has all the rights whereto put the blame on their loss.
Yet let us put everything in the proper perspective since this Senator wanted the 70% Filipino suffer because of his personal private affair or depression.
Fair then to approach hid concern to scrutinize his personal life. The loss was 37 years ago. How were Vic and Helen then? They were very active then in show business and everybody knowsthat in showbusiness anything goes to be in the in crowd including heavy alcohol drinking and drug use and other drug stimulants or downers
These are questions that Helen has to answer because her own husband unintentionally broughtthem into the limelight:
1. When did Helen start drinking contraceptive pills, what was brand name, and did she take them prerly and regularly?
2.What other medicines, if any, she was taking like downers or stimulants?
3. Did she drink alcohol heavily?
4. Did she do drugs occasionally?
Here are the reasons why they have to be answered truthfully, or else, Sotto wanted compassion based on fictitious claim and behavior unbecoming to a senator.
1. It is important to tell the trith on the brand name of the drug because we could determine if it was very potent, that both of them were intelligent to have been aware on the side effects of the drugs including unintended pregnancy and possible complication onthe child. If they knew and accepted the risks, they were fully to blame on their decision. They knew that when taking contraceptive pills, concommitant intake of other contraindicated sleeping pills or anti anxiety drug like valium, heavy alcohol and hard drugs were prohibited due to aggravating the incidence of medical risk to both the patient and unintended pregnancy. Worst if abusive behavior was involved!
2. Did she do other drugs like downers and stimulants? She was in show business and at that time her career was successful, ranking as top rated actress while Vic was also in music business and the musical performers then were notoriously noted as pioneers in drinking downers and stimulants to cope with the stress and hectic concert schedules. They say that taking these pills is a family affair.
3. Did she drink alcohol frequently. It is not far fetched to think that with many social gatheings or dining invitations offered to these husband/wife alcohol might be imbibed frequently.
4. Did she take hard drugs. There was no evidence that vic or Helen were drug users. But that would not preclude that they were closet users? Again, they were in showbusiness where daily pressures were the norm. Also it was well known that Vic was an acquaintance of a certain Tiangco, accused of drug violation which might have included drug use. Were they familiar with each other long time ago which included drug binging? These are questions requiring honest answers supported by documented evidence, not mere verbal denials. What is documented evidence. There was NEVER an incidence that Helen drank alcohol, took sleeping pills or other drug. Also, familiar too is the knowledge that drug use is a couples affair!
The people did not bring the news to scrutinize the old lives of Helen Gamboa and Vic Sotto. Vic brought himself to the forefront of RH bill battle their personal lives. It behooves both of them to give an open explanation with documented evidence.
Alizarin Viridia says
IF other CPMers will follow Mr J Lin’s style of commenting using intelligence,
logic and reason to PROBE the veracity and truth of our officials authoritative
allegations and dubious claims before the general public, LIN and CPMers
would have stopped on their tracks these impostors NOT intelligent ENOUGH
to think that Filipinos are NOT idiots.
Victin Luz says
@alizarin viridia………………. Their were many of us in this blog , not only as a PRO to RH BILL but because we concluded that our HOST ( RAISSA and ALLAN ) are righteous couple so as you and our objectives is to DECIMINATE the TRUTH on all ISSUES POSTED here to ALL FILIPINOS rich and poor….intelligent and ……………..I can’t write here the opposite of intelligence ” na tinutumbuk ng sulat mo “………..old and young irrespective of gender……….and etc.
Ako kasi since I came here for the first time, I expressed myself that I am not a journalist not intelligent LIKE YOU and lacked the knowledge or know how on every issues/topic brought in this blog. Hindi ko alam kung kanino mo itinatama ang comment # 85.1 mo pero kami na mahina ang REASONING palagay ko , dahil pinayagan naman kami ng HOST na magbigay ng aming NAPAKALIIT na KAALAMAN,…. We suggest that those who are BRIGHT CPMER’ s. LIKE YOU will just CORRECT US or RE WRITE our comments, in this way THOSE who knows us personally and believe on us who are ANTI on every issues that we are PRO ay MAHIKAYAT/MAPANIWALA NATIN on our righteous conviction and CHAIN REACTION will come and they will be the one to DECIMINATE our CAUSE.
SALUDO KAMI sa INYONG LAHAT DITO pero KUNG AYAW NINYO NA KAMI DITO ( NGA LESS LOGIC COMMENTS )…….SAY SO at hindi na kami sasali dito but we are always with you ON YOUR CONVICTION.
Victin Luz says
@Alizarin Viridia,…….. I am not intelligent like you in all aspects and you’re my idol here like ISSELNUTS but be straightforward . Tell us how deep is your comment # 87.1. NAKAKATAMA KA SA AMING HINDI JOURNALIST at LESS LOGIC COMMENTETOR. HINTO na ba KAMI ? Kahit wala na kami dito sa you can COUNT US on your CONVICTION.
Victin Luz says
Sorry I meant comment #86.1. Less logic commentator as I am but you can count me in your CONVICTION.
Alizarin Viridia says
Diyos ko at mga CPMers patawad po.
Parang pinitik ko ang ilong ni Pedrong Penduko, ang nagdugo mata ni Juan barbero. MINSAN nangyayari yan kahit sa hindi mangkukulam. Yung senador naghain na katwiran sa isang basket na butas butas. Ipinikita, pinatunayan, tinuligsa ni Ginoong J Lin na sinugundahan ng marami sa ibang blogs at dyaryo hindi lang taga CP Miranda. Sabi ko magandang model ng komentaryo ni J Lin PERO ang dating PALA sa ibang hindi tulad niya mga bobo sila. HINDI PO ganoon ah.
Ang puntos lang dapat magingat sa pagtatanggol ng katotohanan lalo na ang mga nakakataas sa lipunan baka sila mabalatan. Ganoon di naman tayo ingat din sa sa pagtuligsa, hindi lang tayo ang pinakamababa, sabi nga ni P Noy tayo ang bossing niya.
Nasabi ko na rito, mahirap itong namimilosopo, baka mabatukan. Ayun kayo pala ang lumalabas na binatukan ko. Sabi nga ng tatlong daliri ko nakaturo sa akin ingat din ako sa paggamit ng salita ko. Period na po.
Alizarin Viridia says
Oy victin luz
Iiwasan ko na mula ngayon ang “ nitpicking” at ang ganitong pamimilosopo:
“Papano mo nalaman mas matalino ako kaysa iyo?
Baka ang Mrs. Ko ang sumusulat nito, kunyari siya si Mr. Ang Mrs ko, madaldal o magaling mang mangatwiran mahina naman sa Math. “ I thank ng malaki at marami those who read my posts here.
Biro lang ito: Yong salitang “conviction” matibay at mabigat na salita. Si Corona dahil sa kanyang CONVICTION na tama ang ginagawa niya ayun CONVICTED, tininggalan ng dangal. Pasensiya na po kasi dating guro, ng tumanda lalong lumala.
pinay710 says
@sir/maam alizarin viridia. para naman pong sa pagkaintindi ko ng sinulat nyo iniitsa puera nyo ang katulad kong hindi malalim ang english at walang isinusulat na mga termino ng batas. eh hindi po kasi ako abogado saka gusto ko lang matuto kahit na huli na sa edad ko. kung hindi man po kasing taas ng pinagaralan ng mga katulad ko dito eh nakkaintindi nman po kami ng tama at mali at yung pangkasalukyang problema ay danas namin mula kahirapan ng buhay. pero nagpapasalamat po ako at nakakabasa ako sa mga katulad nyo na matatalino ng mga hindi ko naaral noong ako ay nasa unibersidad pa. hindi pa mulat angkaisipan namin noon. ngayon lang sa mga nababasa ko sa inyo dito sa blog nina mam raissa at sir alan. pasensya na po kayo. kung hindi kasing lalim at talino ang nababasa nyo kung isa ako sa pinatatamaan nyo po.
Alizarin Viridia says
wala akong ini itsi puera dito, bukal na karapatan
natin sa demokrasya ang kalayaan ng pananalita
maging sa sining ng kanta, sayaw at pintura. Lalong
maraming dada lalong malaki ang tsansa para
katotohanan.
Ang lakas at bagsik ng CP Miranda mas nasa inyo
kaysa amin nagmamarunong.
Saan ba kinuha ni Sen Flavier ang galing niya bilang
mapagmalasakit na doktor, di ba sa pasyente niya
sa baryo. Kumita pa siya ng isulat sa libro.
Ako pinalad din kahit di yumaman, natutunan ang
pilosopiya sa mga mga magsasaka at mangingisda
sa Panay at sa Inglaterra, hindi sa eskuela.
Alizarin Viridia says
Farm philosophy example: Ang paa ng magsasaka ang pinaka
magaling na pataba sa tubigan.. Pag natuyo ang pitak
ko dahil binuksan ang deke, ang ihaharang ko diyan para hindi
tumakas ang tubig ay ang katawan ng nagbukas. Pag namumuti sa
bula ang dagat, tulog muna bago pumalaot. MEDIO BALUKTOT
pero naiintindihan naman seguro.
vander anievas says
i have no personal experience of the ill-effects/side-effects of pills. however, i heard sad stories and sorts like that of the great actor sotto. so sorry to his story-telling-a lie. that’s what i think and opine. 37 years ago and he is still crying for that loss of his 5-month-old baby. maybe he needs a little empathy he is losing his case.
sad he had to shed his shocking ignorance. i thought he is extraordinaire.
oh yeah, my wife did not take pills. i did not even had a slight memory of suggesting to her to take such.
we implemented natural and artificial methods i learned thru media, school, conversations, etc., rhythm, condoms, self-restraint at times, no iud, no withdrawal…
we had 3 children spaced at least 3 years in between.
@j.lin, you mean tito?(maybe not vic)…:)
Maria A. says
Senator Sotto – please disclose the name of the doctor who blamed the death of your son on contraceptive pills. We need to hear his side. Don’t claim “right to privacy” etc. You made this public, we deserve the opportunity to verify your allegations!
Coco says
Dear Senator De Soto,
Once I had one chance in 5 to survive, I obviously did. My wife had one chance in 100 for a negative outcome, it had a negative outcome. As an individual I din’t care about probability and statistics. I had to live with the outcome, regardless. So I sympathise with your ordeal in the 70’s. As a national leader today don’t take decisions on an individual case, please look at the bigger picture.
Can you give us the complete story? What were the probabilities of getting pregnant when taking the pill, what are the benefits of avoiding conception when a child is not wanted, what is the probability of not noticing a pregnancy early on or the occurrence of willingly continue to take hormone pills? A possible consequence of this rare situation you testified clearly.
By the way, there is a huge difference between correlation, things happening at the same time and causation, one thing happening as the result of another.
Looking forward for your explanation.
Coco says
Dear Senator De Soto,
Once I had 1 chance in 5 to survive, I obviously did. My wife had 1 chance in 100 for a negative outcome, it had a negative outcome. As an individual I din’t care about probability and statistics. I have to live with the outcome, regardless. So I sympathise with your ordeal in the 70’s. As a national leader today don’t take decisions on an individual case, please look at the bigger picture, balance probability and consequences.
Can you give us the complete story? What were the probabilities of getting pregnant when taking the pill, what are the benefits of avoiding conception when a child is not wanted, what is the probability of not noticing a pregnancy early on or the occurrence of willingly continue to take hormone pills? The consequences of this rare situation you testified already.
By the way, there is a huge difference between correlation, things happening at the same time and causation, one thing happening as the result of another.
Looking forward for your explanation.
Felimon says
Raissa,
What happened to your post regarding Sen. Sotto? Bakit nawala?
Mel says
RR,
just for your info,
i still get messages such as these;
“Server error
The website encountered an error while retrieving http://raissarobles.com/2012/03/26/coronas-daughter-bought-california-and-the-fort-properties-22-days-of-each-other/. It may be down for maintenance or configured incorrectly.”
Some of archive articles i can open, while others i can not.
thanks.
raissa says
Thanks.
Mel says
Raïssa
just to let you know, there are some blog posts that are inaccessible, such as;
– raissarobles dot com/2012/03/29/a-curious-set-of-transactions-surround-mckinley-hill-purchase-for-charina/
– raissarobles dot com//2012/05/22/who-will-dare-ask-chief-justice-corona-these-questions/
– raissarobles dot com/2012/03/26/coronas-daughter-bought-california-and-the-fort-properties-22-days-of-each-other/
– raissarobles dot com//2012/04/15/corona-told-reporter-his-father-was-a-bureau-of-internal-revenue-official
– raissarobles dot com/2012/05/13/more-questions-about-that-p11m-cash-advance-stated-by-chief-justice-corona-in-seven-of-his-salns/
The error messages are;
“Server error
The website encountered an error while retrieving [… ]
It may be down for maintenance or configured incorrectly.
Here are some suggestions:
Reload this webpage later.
HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request.”
raissa says
I think it’s the widget I’m using. I have deactivated it for now.
I’ll examine the problem.
thanks, Mel
Ivan says
Here’s Sen. Sotto’s moment…Hindi ko alam kung matatawa ako or hindi…ala Charo Santos ang dating…
can’t wait for Sen MDS’ reaction..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR3hdVQSMWo&feature=youtu.be
pinay710 says
@sir/mam ivan, tama ka. 2 video lang ang napanood ko kasi yun lang ang andito. ang maliwanag sa video ay naghistorical si sotto ng tungkol sa pagiging sotto nya mula sa lolo(sino ba yun?)nya. tapos yung pagkakaroon nya ng panganay na hindi nya yata biological na anak(?) tapos yung pagkamatay ng panganay nya(?) ano ang koneksyon nun sa RH BILL? parang ang tinutunggo ng mga salita nya ay ang PILLS ang may kasalanan ng pakamatay ng anak nya? idinadaan nya sa drama ang panghihikayat nya tungkol sa RH BILL. iginagalang ko ang pagiging senador nya pero ang mga paraan nya para manghikayat ay HINDI KATANGGAP TANGGAP. sa pelikula na ang drama hindi sa mga usapin na nakasalalay ang kinabukasan at kalusugan ng mga ina. HINDI ANG PILLS ANG IKINAMATAY NG ANAK NYA. ANG HINDI TUMPAK NA PAGGAMIT NI HELEN NG PILLS(kung tootoo man na gumamit sya) at ang kaalaman ni helen ng pagiingat kung ang isang ina ay nagdadalang tao. ako hindi natawa nakunsumi ako sa palabas ni sen sotto. HINDI NA USO NGAYON ANG PAAWA EFFECT SIR! BE REAL WALA NA ANG PANAHON NG PAARTEHAN, TOTOHANAN NA PLEASE.
filipino_mom says
he has already run out of arguments (though none of his arguments ever made sense) so he’s resorting to appeal to emotions. although, the only emotions he’s conjuring up for me are a weird mixture of pity and loathing bordering on hysterical laughter.
leona says
just adding a comment…on judicial appointments. It says “xxx from a list of at least three nominees xxx.” Thus, the list can have 20 or 100 nominees. [SEC. 9 ART. VIII CONST.] I don’t know why we call it “short list” then.
David says
Dear Raissa,
May I ask an off topic question? Is it mandatory that PNoy select a CJ from the “short list”?
romy says
SA palagay ko talagang dapat pumili ang Presidente sa “short list”. Ngunit, sa napansin ko hangga’t hindi lumalabas ang pangalan na gusto ng Presidente, may mga iba pang “short list” ang lumulutang. Hindi lang natin alam kung ilang “version” ang lumulutang. May posibilidad na kapag ang unang short list ay hindi nakapasa, may bulung brigade na nagbibigay ng clue sa nagsa-submit kung ano ang tamang pangalan na dapat ilista. In short, technically, the President can only select from the short list.
David says
Thank you @ romy says,
Was just curious if GMA’s shenanigans in appointing Thief Justice Corona, and the midnight appointment upheld by the SC, if there was a new precedent established, whereby Pnoy’s privileges could be expanded. GMA pardoned the thug Estrada and he is trying to worm his way back in to politics after being convicted of plunder. I thought there was a stipulation where by he could no longer run for a political office but apparently I am wrong. In a hypothetical scenario, If Pnoy wanted Delima as a CJ, could he issue a pardon in her behalf on the out standing trumped up charges and appoint her as CJ?
isellnuts says
The 1987 Philippine Constitution has these provision on ARTICLE VIII-JUDICIARY
Section 8. (1) A Judicial and Bar Council is hereby created under the supervision of the Supreme Court composed of the Chief Justice as ex officio Chairman, the Secretary of Justice, and a representative of the Congress as ex officio Members, a representative of the Integrated Bar, a professor of law, a retired Member of the Supreme Court, and a representative of the private sector.
(5) The Council shall have the principal function of recommending appointees to the Judiciary. It may exercise such other functions and duties as the Supreme Court may assign to it.cralaw
Section 9. The Members of the Supreme Court and judges of the lower courts shall be appointed by the President from a list of at least three nominees prepared by the Judicial and Bar Council for every vacancy. Such appointments need no confirmation.
isellnuts says
Anti-Littering Law: 10 Things You Should Know
1. WHAT IS THE ANTI-LITTERING LAW?
The Anti-Littering Law is MMDA Regulation No. 96-009 entitled, “PROHIBITING LITTERING/DUMPING/THROWING OF GARBAGE, RUBBISH OR ANY KIND OF WASTE IN OPEN OR PUBLIC PLACES, AND REQUIRING ALL OWNER’S, LESSEES, OCCUPANTS OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS, WHETHER PRIVATE OR PUBLIC TO CLEAN AND MAINTAIN THE CLEANLINESS OF THEIR FRONTAGE AND IMMEDIATE SURROUNDINGS AND PROVIDING PENALTIES FOR VIOLATION THEREOF”, which was enacted into law by the Metro Manila Council on the 22nd Day of August, 1996. The regulation was amended on May 6, 1999 by MMDA Regulation No. 99-006.
2. WHEN DID THE ANTI-LITTERING LAW TAKE EFFECT?
The law originally took effect on September 15, 1996. The implementation of the law was suspended last August 2002. The law will again be implemented in Metro Manila starting September 16, 2010.
3. WHAT ACTS ARE PROHIBITED BY THE ANTI-LITTERING LAW?
The Anti-Littering Law prohibits the following acts:
Littering, Illegal dumping, Illegal disposal of garbage;
Urinating, defecating, spitting in a public place;
Dirty frontage and immediate surroundings for establishment owners;
Improper and untimely stacking of garbage outside residence or establishment;
Obstruction (any dilapidated appliance, vehicle, and etc., display of merchandise, illegal structure along sidewalk);
Dirty public utility vehicles, or no trash can or receptacle;
Spilling, scattering, littering of wastes by public utility vehicles; and
Illegal posting or installed signage, billboards, posters, streamers and movie ads., etc.
4. WHO HAS AUTHORITY TO APPREHEND VIOLATORS OF THIS LAW?
The MMDA will have deputized Environmental Enforcers monitoring the major thoroughfares of Metro Manila. These Environmental Enforcers (EE) will initially be in their mint green polo-shirt uniform (with MMDA logo), with identification cards (both employee ID and Deputation ID) clearly visible and displayed. They will be in charge of issuing Environmental Violation Receipts (EVR) to persons caught violating the Anti-Littering Law. The EE’s ID shall contain a written Deputation Order, stating the name and deputation number of the EE, his authority to issue EVRs, and until when the order is effective.
5. HOW MUCH IS THE FINE IF YOU VIOLATE THIS LAW?
The penalties for violating the provisions of the Anti-Littering law, according to the nature of offenses, are as follows:
Code Nature of Offense Option 1 (Payment of Fines) Option 2 (Render Community Service)
01 Littering, Illegal dumping, Illegal disposal of garbage P500.00 8 hours (1 day)
02 Urinating, defecating, spitting in a public place P500.00 8 hours (1 day)
03 Dirty frontage and immediate surroundings for establishment owners P1000.00 16 hours (2 days)
04 Improper and untimely stacking of garbage outside residence or establishment P500.00 8 hours
(1 DAY)
05 Obstruction (any dilapidated appliance, vehicle, and etc., display of merchandise, illegal structure along
sidewalk) P1000.00 16 hours (2 days)
06 Dirty public utility vehicles, or no trash can or receptacle P500.00 8 hours (1 day)
07 Spilling, scattering, littering of wastes by public utility vehicles P500.00 8 hours (1 day)
08 Illegal posting or installed signage, billboards, posters, streamers and movie ads., etc. P1000.00 16 hours (2 days)
6. WHAT IS THE MMDA’s PROTOCOL IN DEPLOYING ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCERS?
Environmental Enforcers will be deployed in teams. Each team will have a team leader and an assistant team leader, who will both have the exclusive authority to issue EVRs. These two will be assisted by one photographer and one recorder to document each apprehension made by their team leader or assistant team leader.
A spotter shall be deployed by the MMDA for each team to monitor possible violators of the agency’s regulations. It is the spotter’s duty to bring the violator to the Environmental Enforcer for issuance of ticket. The Environmental Officer should tell the violator of the details of his/her violation, and the proper payment process.
7. WHAT ARE THE PROCEDURES FOR PAYMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE FINES?
Upon apprehension, a violator will be given an option to either pay the fine, or to render community service. For payment of fines or rendering of Community Service, the following procedures should be observed:
Option 1 (Payment)
Report to MMDA HPSEPO for Order of Payment of the charged Administrative Fine according to the nature of offense committed.
Go to the MMDA Treasury Operations Service for the payment of fine
Submit the initial receipt to HPSEPO for clearance and documentation
Option 2 (Community Service)
Report to MMDA HPSEPO for proper orientation on the Environmental Regulations Schedule and Instruction
Render Community Service
Go to HPSEPO for clearance and issuance of Certificate of Compliance
8. WHAT IF I DON’T PAY THE FINE NOR RENDER COMMUNITY SERVICE?
If you do not show-up within 3-days after the receipt of the apprehension, you will be given the 1st summon which will only be valid for 15 days. If you still don’t settle your violation within 15 days, you will be given the 2nd summon which is also valid for 15 days. If you still don’t settle your violation after 15 days, the final summon, which is valid for 1 (one) month, will be given to you.
If you still ignore the final summon, your case will be filed at the Metropolitan Trial Court of the city where you were apprehended. If you do not show up to the scheduled hearings, you will be given a Warrant of Arrest. In addition, your violation will be forwarded to the NBI.
Failure to pay the administrative fine of P500 or render 8 hours Community Services shall be penalized, after conviction, by a fine of One Thousand Pesos (P1,000.00), or imprisonment of three (3) to seven (7) days, or both, at the discretion of the court.
Failure to pay the administrative fine of P1,000 or render 16 hours of Community Service shall be penalized, after conviction, by a fine of Two Thousand Pesos (P2,000.00) or imprisonment of seven (7) days to one (1) month, or both, at the discretion of the court.
9. IF I HAVE A PENDING VIOLATION OF THE ANTI-LITTERING LAW, WILL IT BE POSSIBLE FOR ME TO OBTAIN AN NBI CLEARANCE? IF NOT, WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR GETTING MYSELF CLEARED FROM THE VIOLATION?
No, you will not be able to get an NBI clearance. To clear your record, you need to go to the MMDA and pay your fine. After paying, go to the HPSEPO and get your “Motion to Withdraw Information” certificate signed by the Senior Prosecutor of the DOJ. After this, bring the “Motion to Withdraw Information” certificate to the concerned Metropolitan Trial Court (MTC). After submitting, the MTC will give you the “Certificate of No Case.” Finally, bring your “Certificate of No Case” so that you’ll be allowed to obtain an NBI Clearance.
10. WHAT DO I DO IF I WANT TO PROTEST MY EVR OR FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCERS?
If you feel your EVR was issued without any legal basis or in violation of the protocol, you may contest by going to the MMDA-HPSEPO Adjudication Office (7th floor MMDA Main Bldg. EDSA cor. Orense St. Guadalupe Nuevo, Makati City) to fill-up the protest form indicating all relevant details regarding your complaint, within 1 week (7 days) after the receipt of the apprehension.
leona says
MMDA 99-006 is a “law?” …that can be implemented and suspended as MMDA decides? Talo ang laws ng Congress dito! As of now Year 2012, is this “law” in effect? or suspended?
No. 8…on “so many 15 days” grace periods and finally a 30 days “Summons” to comply with this “law” runs counters to the issue of “punishment” imposed in this “law.” Along the way during these grace periods, “the Case” could get lost or difficult to track. Any study this point is working?
The “protest form” to be filled up has been approved by the SC? It seems some Rules of Court provisions on Criminal Procedure here is set aside for this purpose. And this is legal matter this “law” is about.
Does this “law” includes or covers littering on Creeks, Rivers, Drainages, Canals or similar places? I don’t see it clearly.
Thanks @isellnuts.
isellnuts says
@Leona,
There is a law Republic Act No. 9003 Anti littering law. However, no matter how many laws are enacted by congress addressing such problems it can never be effective because of the breakdown of discipline.
How you gonna prosecute hundreds of thousands violators?
FIFTEENTH CONGRESS OF THE
REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES
First Regular Session
SENATE
P.S. Res. No. 50:’)
INTRODUCED BY SENATOR MANNY VILLAR
RESOLUTION
URGING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO CONSIDER THE EARNEST, FULL
AND MEANINGFUL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE VARIOUS ANTI-LITTERING
LAWS OF THE PHILIPPINES
WHEREAS, the 1987 Constitution guarantees that the “State shall protect
and advance the right of the people to a balance and healthful ecology in accord
with the rhythm and harmony of nature (Section 16, Article II);
WHEREAS, the country has started to experience typhoons and rainy
season this month of May 2011; thus, the local governments including Metro
Manila are again confronted with the need to declog storm drains, creeks and
rivers to ease flood risk;
WHEREAS, the public is also reminded of the “epic floods” of Ondoy, and
other nature’s wrath, and that every one must fulfill his responsibility towards the
environment to keep the waterways garbage-free;
WHEREAS, as the country braces for rainy season and typhoons, the
Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) has renewed its
enforcement of anti-littering laws, to wit: Republic Act No. 9003 otherwise known
as “Ecological Waste Management Act of 2003” and MMDA Regulation No. 96-
009, amended by MMDA Regulation Number 99-006 and approved by the MMC
in 1996;
WHEREAS, Section 48, paragraph (1) of RA 2003 prohibits the ‘littering,
throwing, dumping of waste matters in public places, such as roads, sidewalks,
canals, esteros or parks, and establishment, or causing or permitting the same;
WHEREAS, Any person who violates Sec. 48, paragraph (1) shall, upon
conviction, be punished with a fine of not less than Three hundred pesos
(P300.00) but not more than One thousand pesos (P1,000.00) or render
community service for not less than one (1) day to not more than fifteen (15)
days to an LGU where such prohibited acts are committed, or both;
WHEREAS, MMDA Regulation Number 99-006 also prohibits littering and
throwing of garbage or any kind of waste in open or public places. It also requires
all business establishments, public or private, to maintain the cleanliness of their
frontages and immediate surroundings;
WHEREAS, under the said regulation, violators shall be penalized by
administrative fine of Five Hundred Pesos (P500.00) or community service of one WHEREAS, under the said regulation, violators shall be penalized by
administrative fine of Five Hundred Pesos (P500.00) or community service of one
(1) day. Failure to pay the administrative fine the violator shall be penalized, after
conviction, by a fine of One Thousand Pesos (Pi ,000.00) or imprisonment of
three (3) to seven (7) days of arresto menor or both at the discretion of the court;
WHEREAS, MMDA records showed that from January 1999 to July 2002,
the agency apprehended a total of 222,956 violators, 1,583 of whom rendered
community service, while 20,943 cases were filed in different metropolitan trial
courts;
WHEREAS, in order to prevent the repetition of the effects of Ondoy,
Pepeng and other nature’s wrath, there is a need to push for full implementation
of the anti-littering laws in the Philippines;
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the Senate of the Philippines,
to urge the local governments to consider the earnest, full and meaningful
implementation of the various Anti-Littering Laws of the Philippines.
Adopted,
MANNY VILLAR
HUNGKAG says
i am very happy reading all the positive comments and suggestions that give solutions. For those with negative comments , please try to think further and give solutions and good ideas. you will feel better if your solutions are adapted and feel best if you participated in solving our problems.
There are so many ways in raising ourselves from where we are. Let us not be crabs as others think about us. (Off topic but related-I love the korean historical tv series, yi soon shin, dae joo yong, jewel in the palace./ etc..because it restorify their history in modern context…not much kisssing but all feel good plots where the hero because of his love for his people triumphed in the end). Let us love our people and contribute something. Let us bring our heads together by participating in endeavors that will alleviate our people’s plight and not wallow in our miseries.
raissa says
Thank you for commenting.
I also like Korean movies. They care for the plot.
Alizarin Viridia says
@ ROMY at PINAY710
Salamat sa paliwanag; mahalaga yan kahit hindi completong case study. Mahalaga ang detalye sa pagtarok ng katotohanan; medio naiiwasan ang blanket accusation, at saka sweeping conclusions.
Dahil sa ang stereotype squatter NGAYON ay maraming kapintasan parang bakol ng kamatis pag nasamahan ng isang bulok, daming mahahawang mabubulok din lalo na yung naiipit nasa ilalim. Pero kahit anong frutas, puro man o pinaghalo pag matindi ang siksikan mabubulok sa katagalan. Ang tao ganyan din pero meron exception.
Population density ganyan din seguro. Ilagay mo sa loob ng Pilipinas ang lahat ng Chinese di lang sa Tsina at Asya, isama ang nasa buong mundo. UNTHINKABLE DI BA? Para maiwasan ang madalian pagkabulok, SA tSINA nagkaroon ng utos ONE CHILD FAMILY LANG; Yung mga bulok isang bala lang, yung karamihan takot mapagkamalan bulok . Kaya ang mga Chinese sa Singapore natuto. Somobra naman nagingat sa kabulukan kaya ayun kumukunti na lang ang laman ng kanilang bakol, kaya maingat silang kumukuha ng PILING-PILING frutas sa ibang bansa.
Maaring HINDI ganyan ang kamang-mangan ng mga tutol sa RH Bill; hindi baling dumami at umawas ang bakol, di baling dumami ang nabubulok sa siksikang bakol. Ganyan din kasi SABI NILA ang sangkatauhan, pag sobrang dami na ang bulok sa bakol magkakaroon ng SECOND COMING o kaya ay END OF DAYS.
Sori ang layo ng lipad diwa from good squatters becoming bad squatters to over bad population of the world requiring Divine Cleansing. kahit malapit na relax na lang ba tayo? KUNG TOTOO LANG!
Alizarin Viridia says
Mayor Sherwin Gatchalian of flood-hit Valenzuela posed this question on his Twitter account: Is it still safe to live in Metro Manila?
“Natatandaan ko noong tumama ang Ondoy, sabi ng weather forecasters 50 years bago maulit. Naghanda naman kami pero hindi natin inakala na ganoon kabilis. Wala pa ngang 4 years. Kung magiging regular na ganito, sabi ko, ‘Safe pa ba tumira sa Metro Manila?’” he told dzMM on Saturday
===============
Mr. Mayor baka na misinformed kayo. Lakas po at bagsik ng Ondoy ay 50-year flood. Lakas po lang, puede mangyari yan kahit kailan. HINDI kailangan maghintay ng 50 years. Yung lawak ng sinantala, laki ng sinira, dami ng pinatay, lakas ng hangin, bigat at laki ng tubig na dala at bumagsak sa lupa (bundok, ilog at mga lawa). Pareho po ba daw ang Ondoy at Habagat 2012 sabi ng Pagasa? Baka po 10-year flood lang itong nakaraang Habagat. Magkaiba po kasi ang buhos ng Habagat at bagsik ng mga Bagyo.
Mahirap maging Meyor minsan kasi talo kahit sa katwirang magkabila.
Alizarin Viridia says
‘Safe pa ba tumira sa Metro Manila?’
MAHIRAP PO itong namimilosopo. BAKA MABATUKAN. Yung pong vulnerable, mahihina,
wlalng lakas sa gobierno, matagal na pong HINDI safe tumira sa Metro Manila. Ang por siyento po ng
namamatay sa kanila MALIIT lang dahil sa dami nila kaya po marami pa rin, sa tigas ng ulo
ayaw tumira sa ibang lugar.
Pero PARA SA KALAHATANG RESIDENTE ng Metro Manila, OKAY safe pa rin po baka
mas marami pa po ang namamatay taon taon dahil sa aksidente sa highway kaysa dahil
sa baha dala ng Habagat..
Coco says
… out of the box, relocate some senators and congresmen/women to low laying areas. Solutiions and budgets will come by themself.
emong says
Out of the box? How about a more durable version of this :
http://e2012filhatidgruponikyle.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/13176285712.jpg
for our informal settlers.. we can then provide a temporary ample space within the metro( w/ affordable rent ) .. can be relocated easily thru bayanihan..just to free up our river system…dapat uniform para magandang tingnan…less footprint pa sa environment since naka angat yan…
Alizarin Viridia says
oy, OY, di madali yan. Nadanasan ko yan. Tignan uli ang larawan.
muntik nang NABALI ang kanang balikat ko diyan, noong fifties
ng nililinis ng AYALA ang gagawing BEL-AIR village. Di ko na
sasabihin kung saan dinala yung mga bahay. Dahil bayanihan tulong
lang sa may ari ng mga bahay, tubig lang walang fruit juice. Ang
laking kalintikan wala yatang ginastos ang mga AYAlA diyan.
Wasla pa kasing squatter power ang mga marangal at
amsunuring sa batas na squatters noon.
Alizarin Viridia says
sori daming maling espeleng, antok na antok na kasi.
ngayon di na puede yan buhat bahay, MAGIGIBA,
magkakakahiwala-hiwalay ang dindding nyan. Iyan mga shanty
ngayon mahal na ang kahoy; kung meron man puede segurong
pa isakay na lang sa apat na tricycle.
ANG BAYANIHAN AY SIMBOLO NG TULUNGAN AT SQUATTING
seguro onli in da Pilipins.
raissa says
OK lang. Pero huwag ka sana laging magpupuyat dahil sa Internet, ha.
Siguro, ipabukas mo na lang :)
emong says
Kaya nga sabi ko durable version para hindi masisira.. and kung tutulong ka rin lang tapos magrereklamo ka lang sa huli, di na bayanihan tawag dun..rest well :)
emong says
Sorry, ibang topic ito… nakakainis lang kasi:
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections-2013/10360-past-and-present-govt-officials,-relatives-among-the-2013-partylist-nominees
Alizarin Viridia says
Mang Emong, masabi ko lang, yun magtataka dito
sa corruption of the party list system of choosing our
elected officials AY MGA TAGA IBANG PLANETA.
Ang sabi nila kahit meron akong TATOO Jesus Christ
sa buong dibdib pag nagtrabaho ako sa Custons o
sa BIR, wala pang isang Linggo CORRUPT na AKO.
Kalimitan nga hindi PA AKO tanggap doon eh dapat SAGAD
CORRUPT na;ko. .
leona says
@emong, by providing the “Partylist representatives” as addition to our regular districts-representatives in the Const. is to me a mind-screwing! But since it is there what can my screwed mind do about it!
A useless thing screwed into us. Maybe next revisions of our Constitution, we can delete this screwer!
emong says
off topic:
Sick!!
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/08/13/12/party-list-groups-political-families
isellnuts says
Family is the basic unit of a society. Unfortunately, what we have a dysfunctional society because of the breakdown of family values. Instead of progressing our society is regressing because virtually discipline is missing in every home. Discipline start at home, it is the parents responsibility to instill discipline to their offspring.
A country can never progress when a family values is missing. What kids sees from their parent they’ll do the same. In other words “monkey see, monkey do” a classic example is the “P” words. I’ve seen a 3yrs old girl who always says the “P” words while playing with other kids. I asked her where did she learned to say the “P” words and she replied from mama.
leona says
Millions of Mamas and Papas are guilty @isellnuts on that!
Lalo na sa squatters’ areas!
What can a squatter Mama or squatter Papa tell squatter Boy anything good, very little!
A million “Ps” for sure!
Can a country progress when millions are squatter families? No. Never! Crimes, yes. Poverty, yes.
Lola & Lolo squatter…Tatay at si Nanay squatters. Mga Anaks, squatters! We even have to hide this feature of life, we now call all of them “Informal Settlers!” What’s next? For what is such purpose? To show the world that we really do not have such kinds…millions of squatters, but only informal settlers.
We are cheating ourselves and shitting ourselves at the same time on this!
Whose the brainy in gov’t who coined this new term? Maybe a squatter too!
I feel guilty to use such dishonest word…so I always use SQUATTER as the right better term.
Speaking of “family” we start from them…squatter families. . . for they run into millions more than any other families we have. A very sorry state of a country we have now.
Horrible reality amidst us!
isellnuts says
@Leona,
LGU’s don’t call them squatters anymore, they are called informal settlers or urban poor.
pinay710 says
@ms/sir leona, please do not generalize all SQUATTERS. i myself was raised in one of the squatters area in mm but we raised our children with values. our children are all well educated and well guided by their parents. our community have an organization and that regularly meet to discuss how to make our certain community work for the good of our place and our children.
it is true that children got their first word from their parents, i am so sorry for that, how about those educated that uttered words like F…YOU? also most deliquent that commit more serious crimes comes from affluent and well educated parents (ex. vizconde massacre)
during the 50s squatter area is peaceful and those who were raised there were all out of our country or got stable jobs in our govt and private sectors.
Alizarin Viridia says
NO criticism or MALICE intended. Why were you SQUATTERS?
HOW did you become squatters? What happened to
squatters before they became informal settlers? Just curious
and still wants to learn something new.
romy says
Nagsimula ang pamilya ko na nagtayo ng bahay sa Tatalon kasi may tenant na inaangkin niya ang dating palayan (yata) doon at may nagsabi sa kanyang isang abogado na maghikayat ng mga nais magkabahay na tirahan doon at kilalanin na siya ang nagpatayo doon. At sa kanya din babayad ng parang renta sa pagpapayag na tayuan ang lugar ng bahay. Marami ang na=engganyo sa mga nangungupahan sa Maynila, tulad namin. (Dati akong lumaki sa Evangelista malapit sa simbahan ng Quiapo.) Noon nagsimula na magnais magkabahay ang mga taga-siyudad.
Nalaunan, nalaman na lang namin na may kaso pala ang Tatalon na pag-aaari daw ng mga Tuason, kaya umalis na nga kami at lumipat sa probinsiya (sa Santa Rosa). Noon ay walang karapatan ang mga squatters. Kapag sinabing “buwagin” walang mga rally rally. Kasi sa aming lugar sa Tatalon, sinampulan ang ilang naglilider-lider sa mga nakatira doon, kaya alsa balutan na nga kami.
Nang makalipas ang EDSA I nagkamayroon na ng batas na may karapatan na ang mga squatters… kaya alam mo na kung ano ang nangyari. Nagbago na ang takbo ng batas.
pinay710 says
@sir alizarin viridia, binili po ng magulang ko ang lugar sa paliwanag ng mayari na ipagbibili din ng gobyerno ang lugar na yun sa mag nakatira na. kaya ponahikayat ang magulang ko na bilhin yun. totoo po nagbabayad ang magulang ko noon ng konting halaga hanggang sa tumagal hindi na naningil yung namamahala sa pamahalaan dahil ang sabi ay ibibigay na daw sa mga nagbayad ng kaunti.ang mga naunang nanirahan po dun ay mga halos nagtratrabaho sa pamahalaan. mga sundalo at mga guro. halos po lahat ng nanirahan dun noong dekada 50m ang mga anak anak at kaapo apohan ay halos nasa pamahalaan din at nasa ibang bansa. sa ngayon po wala na po ang lugar na yun nirelocate na sila. masikap po ang karamihan na nsa squatters. HINDI PO LAHAT ay mga pasaway ng lipunan. WE, FROM SQUATTERS TRY OUR VERY BEST TO MOVE ON AND FIND OUR PLACE WHERE WE WILL NOT BE CALLED SQUATTERS. BUT WE LIVE IN THAT PLACE AS A CHALLENGE TO US. AND MOST OF US DID IT!sorry for the caps. i am not shouting sir. i am just emphasizing what i am saying.
manxx says
Like.
leona says
Your dissent means there is reason to generalize. It is just generalize. Understand it in that sense. You belong to the exception of the generalization. No offense intended since you are not what was included. My bad when I generalize. Sorry. Using ‘P” by those not squatters, is just the same also like F…me! I used it once on my partner and gave me back same answer F…you! But F…ng is not the issue…here… but being in the midst of so many many squatter families the gov’t got a big problem and us all. RH bill would lessen F…ng problems!
pinay710 says
@mam/sir leona, that’s why i am pro through and through pro rh bill. i am against women who cannot disagree with their husbands when the husband force them to have more children. i tried to tell my friends who got more than 3 children to make control and talk to their respective husbands. some agrees and they avail the family planning prog at that time. my daughters in law also avail family planning with the full infromation from the organization. i condem those who utter the word P… because that is giving bad impression to mothers. but sometimes this P is just slip of the tongue (unexcusable reason). i love my mom and telling me P….. i am going to slap that person telling me that. F….i so much different from P….
leona says
That’s good help you are doing @pinay710!
Just bear in mind that the “act of squatting” is an invasion…occupation…of property, public or private. Our laws are not working nowadays on this. We had once a Decree by the dictator, I think P.D. 776 punishing squatting with imprisonment up to 7 years. Come Sen. Lina and others (1986 etc) had that Decree repealed. All hell broke loose! Professional and non-professional squatters invaded and occupied more property, public & private. To make the story shorter, we now have this problem. A chain reacton.
Go and tell other mothers to “stand down” expanding a big family. The country cannot afford to have “children” not of choice. Go pro for RH law.
pinay710 says
@sir/mam leona, yes i do i am still doing it if i got chance of knowing somebody who got more than 3 children. that’s why my 1 daughter in law is using contraceptive and the other one is already ligated. i told them the advantage and disadvantage and they go with the advantage. now i got 5 grandchildren all in good health being taken cared by their moms who are also in good health, thanks to the family planning prog.
vander anievas says
narinig ko si archt palafox sa ilang engagements niya sa mga stations. they were discussing solutions and a lot of suggestions from his lengthy experience of land development with multinational leverage. they also mentioned out of the box solutions. marami siyang valid points that our concerned government agencies need to consider, if i may add.
meron din akong ilang suggestions na O.O.T.B. din:
1. extend, decentralize or devolve more of our public agencies-to distribute government employment
2. rotate/revolve the big noontime shows/variety shows/virtual shows/competitions/entertainments among
our remote/far flung provinces/towns-this will somewhat lessen influx of migrants
3. conduct pageants/concerts outside NCR-this will relieve traffic congestions
4. temporarily divert land development outside NCR-creates jobs outside NCR, reduces migration
5. incentivize planting/growing of trees-reforestation is urgent
6. idle lands for 5 or more years must be utilized for greens or water impounding area
7. NCR using Laguna de Bay(via Manggahan floodway) is evidently not a long term solution to flooding.
Spillway thru Paranaque is. Time to reconsider its installation. It is the only solution to it. this will once and
for all solve all floodings in NCR.
isellnuts says
The Paranaque spillway plan exist in 1970’s, it cuts thru several subdivisions in Paranaque. The spillway plan start from the Laguna lake that will cut thru Bicutan parallel to the Sucat Rd all the way seashore in Paranaque.
The plan never materialized for unknown reason.
Alizarin Viridia says
ADDENDA TO 74 Vander Anievas
1.extend, decentralize or devolve more of our public agencies-to distribute government employment
DEVOLVING powers and decentralizing ACTIVITIES IS UNDERMINED OR UNDERCUT BY pork barrel in CONGRESS in billion PESOS . Massive public works (done by Clinton when he assumed office) created forThe US Federal ( National ) govt. thousands of employment. This is beingdone now by Pres. Aquino
costing billions of pesos.
2. rotate/revolve the big noontime shows/variety shows/virtual shows/competitions/entertainments among
our remote/far flung provinces/towns-this will somewhat lessen influx of migrants . I DOUBT THIS WILL
HAVE AN IMPACT TO REDUCE MAGNET BY CITIES to people from rural areas. The city to rural folks
Mean the GOOD LIFE, Just as WORK OVERSEAS is a magnet to OFWs. These noontime VARIETY
SHOWS is the opium (CURE OF MISERIES) of the unemployed and unproductive city migrants.
3. conduct pageants/concerts outside NCR-this will relieve traffic congestions
Traffic congestions may not be related to pageants and concerts which do happen during
The morning rush hour. In London at midnight, there is heavy traffic when theatre and concert
Goers come out almost the same time from the theatres.
4. temporarily divert land development outside NCR-creates jobs outside NCR, reduces migration
Yes, okay. It might also soften objections of squatters against relocation because there will be jobs
Outside NCR. The questions is ARE THERE CASES WHEN SQUATTERS HAD IMPROVED
THE PLACE where they have been RELOCATED? Even TOURISTS ARE SUBJECT OF
Complaints for their tendencies to pollute the place. Which is worst as pollutants, the Tourists
Or the squatters?
5. incentivize planting/growing of trees-reforestation is urgent
PEOPLE WILL dramatically plant more trees IF THEY SEE Politicians and loggers
In great numbers are PUT BEHIND BARS. Otherwise, FORGET IT.
6. idle lands for 5 or more years must be utilized for greens or water impounding area
Yes for idle land without squatters or those not own by crooked politicians.
7. NCR using Laguna de Bay(via Manggahan floodway) is evidently not a long term solution to flooding.
Spillway thru Paranaque is. Time to reconsider its installation. It is the only solution to it. this will once and
for all solve all floodings in NCR.We NEED MORE INFO on this Paranaque spillway. Floodway and spillway are they technically the same?
I appreciate the good thoughts, intention and effort. These are the start o f policy ideas.
Mel says
isellnuts says
Let me quote what J. Edgar Hoover said; “No amount of law enforcement can solve a problem that goes back to the family”
I’ll let readers form their own opinion, you may agree or disagree.
chit navarro says
very true…. discipline starts with the family –
father
mother
child….
natural calamities would not be this destructive if every family
observe the rules….
on where to settle (build a house)
on garbage and drainage
leona says
You may be right. J.Edgar Hoover never saw our families of squatters in his time. Had he seen it, he would have said, “I didn’t mean the Philippines’ squatters families on that. That’s one of a helluva squatter family problem! ”
My opinion.
Victin Luz says
@I agree @isellnuts………also with @chit…….in general a family must always walk in a RIGHTEOUS PATH such that even how strong is our FAMILY TIES , in an emergency situation that needed a hairline decision THE FAMILY shall act RIGHTEOUSLY because without following ” TUWID na DAAN ” no amount of law enforcement can solve a problem.
Alizarin Viridia says
that’s for poor squatter families; rich families are they
ahead or close behind? Mabait, magagalang, matulungin
magnanakaw ang iba diyan.
Ancient Mariner says
Seems to me that given the repetitious nature of the flooding that the solution is beyond the skills of any or all government departments.
The time is now for the Philippine government to start using professional advisers.
There are marine engineering consulting engineering companies who can provide a long term Master Plan for the resolution of the flooding problems in and around Manila. They can carry out the initial and absolutely necessary hydrographic, topographic and aerial photography surveys, carry out a professional analysis based in international criteria and based on their world wide experience then submit a master plan which would offer a staged solution to the problem which may take 10 to 20 years to reach completion but which would solve forever the current dismal situation in Manila during periods of heavy rain.
One such company Halcrow Group Limited, with worldwide experience in flood alleviation, coastal protection and large scale dredging projects is already resident in Manila. Come on NoyNoy put the problem out to a corruption free International Tender and see the problem disappear.
Of course it will be expensive but much less than the ludicrous idea of relocating Metro Manila.
Mel says
Whistleblowers denounces corruption.
vander anievas says
wow, is this verified. must be looked into.
i have my own version of some of my out-of-the-box solutions to our perennial flood and traffic problems:
1. start extensive decentralization of our government agencies, increase installation of satellite offices-
this will reduce influx of people doing business with those agencies,
2. defer or stop land development in NCR except for high-rise facility- to preserve open area to greens and
open parks,
3. rotate/revolve big gameshows of big networks to far flung towns-to reduce local migration
4. conduct concerts outside NCR-to easen up traffic congestion
5. gather and input as data base idle lots in the metrowide, there’s a lot-can be utilized as greens/
parks/water- impounding area
6. install asap the Spillway thru Paranaque(longtime over-due). NCR using the Laguna de Bay,
evidently, is not the solution to floods in East/South Metro.
7. dredge Laguna de Bay, use the silt as a man-made island mass extension of the NAIA runways
8. incentivize long-time residents of NCR tranferring residence to provinces thru tax credits
9. incentivize tree planting/growing thru tax credits too. the your trees are the less your taxes being
paid. it can be done in an interim way
.
vander anievas says
err…the more your trees are…
leona says
P1.00 mean allowance per day? The dog will bite the master!
Sen. Honas, will take the cudgels on this expose? Never heard he did such a job in the past. What’s or who’s he kidding?
Over-due process of law will stop any good effective action on these scalpters in the gov’t agency involved.
I’ ready to forget it!
leona says
scalpers…I mean…whatever…ready to forget it too!
jorge bernas says
@ mel,
Nakakasuka at Nakakadiri ang lantaran pagnanakaw nang MWSS Administrator Ramon Alikpala kasama ang kanyang mga walanghiyang board of trustees & more than 400 consultants…Mga Mukhang Pera at kapal nang mukha nang mga ito na tumatanggap nang hindi bababa sa 136,000.-pesos kada buwan. Bakit ginawang apat na beses mag meeting ang mga ito sa loob nang isang araw? para lumaki ang kita kasi tuwing meeting ay 8,500.-pesos ang allownces & that means 34,000.-/day at sa isang buwan apat na beses mag meeting ay tatanggap nang 136,000.-…Pero ang meal allowances na 150.-pesos/day nang mga rank & file employees ay binawasan at ginawang 3.-/day. Hindi maka Tao ang ginawang pagkaltas nang meal allowances nang mga ito sa pangunguna Alikpala? Alam kaya ni Pnoy ito? Dapat sa mga ito ideretso na sa kulungan at nang hindi na pamarisan…
Alizarin Viridia says
@72 Ancient mariner: in 80 per cent of the solution options. A soil and water engineer
steeped in soil science, irrrigation and drainage, hydraulics and hydrology, land use planning,
aerial photogrammetry, remote sensing WILL NOT AGREE ON LONG TERM
SOLUTION. what you need he says is a PERMAMANENT SOLUTION. Let the
CPMers think about it. Let’s get cracking.
Consultants and experts being humans DO NOT prefer one time
jobs that is not long term too. . The rice terraces is a ONE TIME BIG JOB.
Because of its length and permanent nature, the Canadian Pacific
Railways and May be some Singapore projects are really ONE
time solutions. NOW WHAT IS THAT FOR THE PHILIPPINES.?
Ancient Mariner says
@alizarin viridia. You do the major international consulting engineers an injustice. They will tender for what is requested in open competition and if the government does not like the solution then they don’t take up the option. Marine Consulting Engineers have solved many flooding problems world wide. What other solution is there, other than talking around the problem for ever. Let the experts loose.
Ella Tovara says
National Government should not be blamed for the flooding! The people that are responsible for collecting garbage, the people that are responsible for urban planning and urban drainage should be blamed! Eh kasi lagi namang ganyan ang ulan dito sa Pilipinas … ang problema ang tubig ulan wala ng pupuntahan … puro cemento na ang kapaligiran … meron naman mga canal “kuno” pero saan po ba patungo ang mga canal … patungo sa culvert na barado or tumbok sa pader na cemento pa rin.
I think local government are responsible for garbage collection and urban planning. they should be blamed and be made accountable.
mainman says
schools being used as evacuation centers should be fitted with kitchens, toilets, clinics and should be typhoon proof and flood proof to make life more bearable for evacuees
raissa says
Dapat hindi schools.
Every year, the same area gets flooded. These areas should build a multi-purpose structure for evacuees which can be used for something else the rest of the year.
Alizarin Viridia says
YAN TALAGA, hindi dahil nanggaling kay Ms Raissa.
Parang PERMANENT SOLUTION YAN sa taon-taon
mga refugees for calamity victims. TEMPORARY SHELTERS
but also useful for other purposes HINDI MGA basketball
courts LANG.
Romy says
Kapag ganyan ang paggawa ng iskuwelahan, hindi na magagamit na eskuwela. Titirahan na iyan ng mga “informal settlers”, wala ding mangyayari kasi mapupuno na ng tao.
leona says
funny suggestion…build a Noah’s Ark in that area, 5 Star! accommodations! hahaha…the local officials would again be very happy to make money on that Ark! hahaha…
leona says
repeat, just build a NOAH’S ARK in the area, 5 star accommodations and the public officials will love to make more kickbacks in such project!
Jherskie says
i think it’s for the best to build permanent evacuation centers that should be used only for emergencies. we always have emergencies anyway – given our geographical location.
raissa says
I agree.
Alizarin Viridia says
FIRST #64 HUNGKAG
I just like to complete my comments to the posted contribution. This is based on my limited foreknowledge, not recent research. The strength of a flood (NOT typhoons or hurricane) is measured by its likely occurrence. Those so strong that can only happen every 100 years is called a 100-year flood; those not so strong that can happen every 5 years is a 5-year flood. Noah’s flood that happens every 2000 years I will venture to call one-eternity flood, if we can believe temporarily we are given 100 lifetimes (99 re-incarnations in one eternal life). And that life of the universe runs 2000 years give or take a few decades.
If Yoling and Ondoy are tyhoons differentiated by their strong winds, amount of precipitation and the discharge of resulting floods, the August2012 monsoon might be very different because of the contribution of strong WINDS to its destructive aftermath.
To relocate Metro Manila because of the floods is like mental winds outside the box; preposterous, likely questioned sincerety and validity of purpose, suspected as out of this world (not box) idea, etc.
Alizarin Viridia says
SECOND #64 HUNGKAG
Climate is the annual summation of day-to-day WEATHER conditions. Creatures (man, birds and the beasts) and objects have different SITUATIONS when they experienced typhoons and other calamities. Some are decimated or wiped out; others are physically or economically injured while some few lucky ones get drenched to enjoy the bath and good swim.
Inanimate objects perforced must face typhoons and monsoons in their different situations too, like living creatures. Weak or old buildings, trees, houses can be toppled down and washed away. Rocks and debris over weak (friable) surface soils in steep slopes and cliffs can be very destructive landslides. At the time of the calamity situations and conditions of particular flora and fauna make them vulnerable to different extent of impact.
For may be more than 45 years now, I always say for those who care to listen educated cynicism: Technology failure ABOUNDS in the Philippines; bridges over fallen bridges; irrigation canals where water doesn’t flow; WE HAVE LOTS TO SHOW ENGINEERING SHAME. Technical feasibilities are based more on possible KICKBACKS of very smartly manufactured FINANCIAL FEASIBILITIES.
Alizarin Viridia says
THIRD #64 HUNGKAG
Road engineers are supposed to cut and fill; our roads go high up and go drop down instead to save on cost and caused road mishaps. In the fifties, our engineers helped South Korea in their public works. Now Japanese and Korean engineers and contractors do better public works in the Philippines. Our own people learned adequate engineering in schools only to practice expert corruption after graduation. Some of our professionals should be globally ashamed.
I am tempted to shout to the experts WHEN they analyzed climatic and land based calamities: GO TELL THE IFUGAOS. GO TELL THE IFUGAOS! During typhoon season go visit and see the rice terraces withstand the full strength typhoons as they cross westward the Cordillera and Caraballo mountains. Our Banawe beat hands down terraces of other countries not only in magnitude but in beauty as well. Truly an engineering marvel NOT by engineers.
With due respect, I think elevated walkways and houses on stilts are band aids to bakukang wounds permanently smelly and never heal. Our southmost brothers who live on stilts may already have their exodus north for more naturally dangerous habitats. Sad to say during force majeure and calamities in the north our southern brothers become more invisible in government rescue and assistance operations.
baycas says
Monsoon Rain Floods Manila
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/08/monsoon-rain-floods-manila/100349/
baycas says
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/manila080812/m27_18862481.jpg
baycas says
Sto. Domingo Church in Quezon City, I believe, as temporary shelter.
baycas says
The face of relief…
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/manila080812/m08_49970428.jpg
baycas says
Gob. Wilhelmino M. Sy-Alvarado
curveball says
hindi ba nahihiya itong mga pulitiko na ibandera ang mga mukha/pangalan nila? sa tingin ko baka di sila tutulung kung walang “trademark” nila ang package/supot.
tandaan nyo ang mga pulitiko na nagawa ng ganito dahil di sila tapat sa pagtulong sa inyo. kailangan muna malaman nyo na galing sa kanya ang kakainin, iinumin o tutulugan nyo. labas tuloy ay may utang na loob kayo sa kanya. at pagdating ng eleksyon, tandaan nyo babanggitin nya yan tinulong sa inyo.
Alizarin Viridia says
we are a proud and humble people that most times
OUR older generation would prefer NOT to eat their
pride by NOT accepting humiliating assistance.
FOR and in honor of our ancestors, CAN WE NOT
REJECT OR JUST RETURN these ulteriorly
marked donations of politicians that comes from
our OWN money. let them be shamed for vote
getting during our HOUR OF DISTRESS.
raissa says
hindi.
nakasanayan na.
at wala namang bumabatikos sa kanila noon.
raissa says
Thank you very much for the photos, baycas.
they are horrendously wonderful.
I see that many of them were taken by my colleagues in FOCAP. I will thank them for the photos next time I see them :)
leona says
Me too, thank you @baycas. I sent the photos to my kins in USA.
baycas says
You’re welcome.
Alan Taylor also did a photo blog on Ondoy (Typhoon Ketsana) in September 2009 here:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/typhoon_ketsana_ondoy.html
raissa says
Dear Baycas,
I especially like PHOTOS #6, 10 and 13.
Thank you.
raissa says
Poem of Richard Gappi of the Angono Tres-Siete (3/7) Poetry Society that’s going viral on FB:
Kung sugo ng Diyos
ang bagyo, baha, at ulan,
at ang kasawian
bakit pinuntirya nito
ang aming bayan ng Angono
at lalawigan ng Rizal?
Ito ang lalawigan,
ang Diyosesis ng Antipolo
na pinamumunuan ni Bishop Gabriel Reyes,
ang pinuno ng Catholic Bishops’
Conference of the Philippines (CBCP)
Episcopal Commission on Family and Life.
Ito ang lalawigan
na nagparating sa Edsa
nang may pinakamaraming nagrali
laban sa RH Bill.
Ito ang lalawigan
na ngayon ay may
135 evacuation centers
14, 986 pamilya
68,999 katao ang nasa evacuation center.
Ito ang lalawigan na sa ngayon
ang apat na bayan —
Angono, Cainta, San Mateo at Montalban —
ay nasa state of calamity na.
Sagad.
Sagarin natin:
68,999 na tao.
Na-RH bill ba ang isa
kaya hindi naging 69,000?
Ay, ang 69.
Isinusumpa ba
ang aming bayan at lalawigan
dahil malibog at mahalay
pagdating sa k _ _ _ _ _ _ _?
Utang na loob.
Utang na loob.
leona says
Myabe Bishop Gabriel Reyes can answer the question of Richard Gappi “bakit ang lalawigan ng Rizal ang isang pununtirya sa galit ng Diyos?”
Maybe Mr. Gappi, it is God’s message that Bishop Reyes is wrong to oppose RH bill! Siguro ang Diyos gusto Niya mag support si Obispo Reyes sa RH bill.
‘O kaya ang sabi ng Diyos “Sigue, mag handa pa kayo ng malaking ralli, uulitin ko ng malaking baha sa inyo!”
Sa pag ka alam ko, ang parusa ng Diyos, kadalasan ay walang pinipili…parang “Drive by shooting”…pati yun walang kasalanan ay tinatamaan! In short, non-selective ang bullets ‘o mga balang paulan!
Let us pray…. Amen.
HUNGKAG says
THE SOFT (PROGRAMMATIC)MEASURES.
My earlier comments focused on the hard(engineering) measures. Now, let me talk on the soft measures.
The soft measures can be divided into two,preemptive and reactive. My take is that in both areas, let us score ourselves barely passing(75) to average (80). This is not a bad score considering that in Ondoy i scored our response as below passing. I can do a safety/technical audit for both but this more interesting to safety/technical audit professionals.
PREEMPTIVE PHASE
1. Information Campaign- Not that bad because there is a single command center headed by NDRMMC which give an authoritative information for all concerned. The weakness is the proliferation of weather and situation information done separately by media. All information must be coursed thru, verified and sifted throug NDRMMC befor it is passed through the media. Other media are doing their own information and analysis of the situation Reports are formatted differently so it is quite confusing. The same is true during the reactive phase.
2. State of Readiness- The state of readiness is not reported and measured at medyo bara bara. It is not clear who reports to whom or who will do what. In bits and pieces during the reactive phase, it can be gleaned that there was no cohesion on the state of readiness for all potentially affected sectors.
REACTIVE OR RESPONSE PHASE
1. The response is quick and effective but this can still be improve thru coordination and cohesion. Satellite response teams(from cagayan, bicol or in the south) unaffected areas could have been prepositioned before and not during the actual floods.
2. Medyo kanya kanya pa rin and not well coordinated.
3. Resource inventory- all panawagan for response are done thru the media and not to the command centers to allocate and deploy resources.
All emergency responses are never perfect. The only way to elevate our score is to do a practice drill. As a rule of thumb there must at least be one practice drill per year and of course expensive and at least a table drill(all participants simulate an emergency in the table) every quarter. Maybe a practice drill for massive earthquake this year, anti terrorst dril next year and every possible mass incident scenario.
That is all folks
leona says
@HUNGKAG…your analysis is good!
The common denominator fault…in both Phases you analyzed is “No Coordination.” You said “kanya kanya.” Right you are! Why no coordination? Is it incompetence? Most probably.
Just like saying “too many GROUND COMMANDERS” at the Luneta Park siege!
No coordination is a very common fault in gov’t offices. From it springs so many other faults.
It creates chain-effects or reactions. And the problems gets bigger and difficult to face.
One of the news is that the engineer incharge of the generators-machine to bring the flood waters ran out of gasoline. Thus, nothing was made to work. Just like that. The engineer was fired?
runen says
Sa lahat,
What we are commenting is wala namang diyos patay na siya, i dont believed na kapag patay ka na babalik ka pa, ayon sa mga sinasabi nila, okay maybe God exist, but he is dead. Patay ka na nga eh! Bakit sinasabi nila na buhay pa ang kaluluwa.
Alizarin Viridia says
Thinking inside and outside the box and putting them in writing as an example:
http://opinion.inquirer.net/34387/habagat
excerpts:
“Hyetology
We need to develop a system to warn people that even without a typhoon, the monsoon rains can be dangerous. School science lectures should include a discussion of the weather in general. I found myself scrambling for the computer and the Internet with all the questions my kids had, from something as basic as “why does it rain?” to “what is habagat?” Let’s do a crash course then in meteorology or, more specifically for the study of rain, hyetology.”
Yung medio Ganado, please read on the link.
Thanks to Michael L. Tan and the INQUIRER,
leona says
I read at ganado pa! Next names of moonson rains or bagyo should be scary…Nuriskue (for those refusing to evacuate)…LunodAlis (same)…EbakWitNa (same)…HayNaku…for a strong bagyo….such bagyo names relentlessy announced to everybody.
Pag walang takot walang hakot! Pag may takot lahat mag hahakot!
Mr. Michael Tan, paki bigay mo itong bagong name-calling suggestion for our next moonson rains & bagyos. Thanks @Alizarin!
HUNGKAG says
COINCIDENCE AND CONDITION
I react based on available data. The 2012 habagat and Ondoy phenomenon is a coincidence. This is supported by facts. Ondoy happens every 100 years while habagat happens every 50 years according to scientific evaluation by experts. The nearest i can recall of Ondoy is the 1972 Yoling when NCR(then Greater Manila Area) and Central Luzon was submerged. For Habagat, i never recalled of rains this much.(i am 61 years old). Now for the Solution or is there, or is it cost benefit effective?
PROBLEM OR CONDITION
In problem solving methodologies, a problem is a stuation when something that is not supposed to happens, happen bur a solution can be found to correct it. If there is no solution to a problem then it is a condition. In this case one has to live with it(do nothing or mitigate it). Based on this definition Ondoy and Habagat 2012 is a situation where a solution is not cost-benefit effective. For example, Chair Tolentino’s proposal to locate metro manila at a quck glance is not cost benefit effective.Floods will not go away and where in Luzon will the new capital be when the whole country is prone to ONdoys and Habagat. What will happen to Metro Manila, the flood will still be there. Relocation is a nice to hear solution but not doable.I heard but have not read the World Bank or Arch. Palafox proposals to solve? or mitigate NCR Flooding but i will try to sythesize mitigation measures.Two mitigation measures i like is the elevated walkway and houses on stilts proposed by Arch. Palafox. More on this later.
THE HARD (Engineering) Mitigation Measures.
1. I do not agree with the relocation measures because it is not cost effective and will take years to complete.
2. Dikes and Impounding Dams designed for Ondoy and Habagat 2012 will be very costly but effective for small Ondoys and Habagat as what happened. Let us go slow on this. Let us validate the recurrence of Ondoy and Habagat 12 for a few years before we make engineering solutions that will be used to respond to events that will happen once for many years.
3. Pasig did not inundate like the Marikina River because of the sturdy embankment and through the years, the attention goven to it(Save the Pasig Project). Marikina River indundated bekause the dikes are not designed for so much river water like Ondoy/ Habagat 2012. Same is true for Catmon river in Malabon, in Rodriguez River and in Tullahan River. Nice to have sturdy dikes in this river but this cannot be done quickly.
4. In the meantime, this is where i like Arch. Palafox idea on elevated walkways and houses on stilts.These mitigation measure is an adaptation to a condition, not a solution to flooding.
5. Elevated walkways and House on stilts.Let us use Provident Village as an illustration and use our common sense. One option is to ring it with dikes instead of walls.. Expensive but short time completion. Design the dike for Ondoy and Habagat 2012. Aside from high cost, this may require a right of way which will take years to acquire. Why not build an elevated walkway just like the pedestrian overpasses. Primary effect is for people’s safety because people will just climb to the elevated walkways with their most precious belongings and there is no need for massive rescue. This is equally true for riverine communities whether it is in NCR or other parts of Luzon.
For new houses, Arch Palafox propose houses on stilts where the living areas are in the upper floors and the ground floor is left open as work areas and garages. I believe our forefathers constructed their houses this way. After Ondoy, many constructed upper floors but they continue using the lower floor as living areas so they still experience problems of bringing their TVs, refs, sala sets etc. to the 2nd floor.
6. All other measures are in place but need to be strictly enforced(declogging of drainages, solid waste management etc).
POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS IMPLICATIONS
Ondoy and Habagat 2012 are natural phenomenon and has nothing to do with politics and religion(RH Bill, impeachment etc.
SAKIT NG TYAN OR PARACETAMOL SOLUTION.
Pinoys do not have regular medical check up and they just self medicate with paracetamol or anti hyperacidity and will go to the doctor if the sakitng tiyan is unbearable. People must be continually informed and not to forget because mitigation and prevention can only be effective in the long term.Instead of crying and do a blame game, let us all think of cost effective mitigation measures.
BEFORE I CLOSE,our government(national and local), our volunteers,our victims did not do bad(below Passing). In a scale of 100 ,75 to 85 is my score. We can do better if we join hands.
Alizarin Viridia says
I like and appreciate HUNGKAG’s brainy and technical comments and thankful for it. Two architects
will build different monuments, so are engineers recommending different solutions, MOSTLY INSIDE
THE BOXES OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE. Given the time I hope to answer it at
length in these vein: Cost Benefit Analysis or ratio is a good decision-making instrument to know
profitability; whether you get back your investment, It is a good business approach but not very applicable to public service governance. C/B Analysis best serves business, than government. Shar Ja Han did not use it to build the Tag Majal. Did Imelda used it to build the Cultural Center? Did London used it build the Tower Bridge, the Pharaohs the pyramids of Egypt?
I will certainly use C/B Analysis for general unrealiable ideas to solve moonson floodings. THE COST
of lives and destruction caused by the moonson THAT IS SAVED CERTAINLY becomes THE STAGGERING BENEFITS THAT WILL BE REALIZED by offered solution. Outside the box thinking says the benefits OUTWEIGHS the costs when you reversed the equation.
The beauty of CP Miranda exchange is that the more we disagree, the more we lighten the darkness.
What is a 10-year flood? a 100-year flood? makes hydrology more interesting than hydraulics.
madflip says
Yoling (Patsy) happened on November 1970. It didn’t submerge the Greater Manila area nor any part of Luzon because it was a fierce howler of a typhoon. It did damage a lot of houses and infrastructure as it scored a direct hit over the metropolis. Power outage was, I think, almost a month. Between July and September of 1972 was the “Great Flood.” Continuous rain for 31 straight days. If you have a copy of “All The President’s Men”, there’s this scene where Ben Bradlee and staff were discussing what news should come out on the Washington Post. One of his staff said: “31 days of continuous rain brought about by the theft of a statue of the Child Jesus.” He was referring to this. And this submerged a wide area of Luzon. BTW, Marcos and Imelda did a major “palabas” out of all this but that’s another story. Not much has changed has it? Then it was the theft of Tondo’s Sto. Nino. Now, it’s the RH Bill.
chijap says
Flood control for an old city like Manila which has no zoning, no planning, etc is a problem even if the best technology gets applied.
Keep in mind Manila (and its Metropolis) is a low lying city, so babaha talaga. But we should not be seeing this type of damage every three years.
And check this picture out: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/image/images/08/09/12/clean-garbage-left-floods
What do we see? Basura at lupa.
Ano ba matutulong ng bawat mamayan:
(1) Basura. So simple yet we see litterbugs everywhere. When i showed this picture to a foreigner, he asked, when you walk the streets of Manila, do you have trash at corners?
Remember that old commercial? Ang basurang tinapon mo ng di wasto, ay babalik sa iyo? That commercial is phophetic.
(2) Lupa. Why is there soil erosion? Obviously we don’t plant trees anymore. No parks, no playground. We prefer condos!
(3) Businessmen and government should consider zoning. If you go to Manila, there are what used to be 1-storey homes now converted to 12-storey condos. That’s eleven families more (plus admin) who would use the same amount of water in and then dispose the same amount of waste out, but eleven times more.
The last one is both a political and economic reason and it needs government help. The first two, each and every Filipino can help.
When was the last time you planted a tree?
When was the last time you picked up a trash, especially not yours?
When was the last time you called to attention a litterbug?
Basic stuffs.
docbebot says
How about this? MMDA Chairman said in an interview that the only way to solve the problem of flooding is to relocate Metro Manila(?) Out of the box. In another vein, Boo Chanco wrote of Valenzuela Mayor Gatchalian asking via tweet if Manila is safe to live in? And in the same tweet, asking other Metro Manila mayors to talk about this recurring problem. Good luck to that, Mayor, I should say…
Alizarin Viridia says
MMDA is an anachronous government agency unable to actualize its
reason for being. If government service is only 60 per cent useful,
MMDA is in the upper bracket of the other 40 per cent.
Alizarin Viridia says
Let me perorate some more. This recurrent annual hundred waterfalls from heaven and the consequent floods and landslides in its wake ARE BEYOND THE CAPACITY OF ALL MAYORS OF LUZON PUT TOGETHER TO ACTUALIZE A SOLUTION. It is bigger than their combined devolved powers to solve. But just one mind (of them may be) can start a solution. And just one President to carry it out to completion.
Think (outside the box of course) of monumental triumphs of man. Think of countries like Egypt, Holland and Italy; of the Suez Canal, of railroads built from sea to shining sea of the North Americas, of the farfetched wonders of antiquity constructed by man. Feat of such magnitude known to the world has been done by us before. Therein lies a seemingly farfetched physical solution. CPMers just guess right and I will acknowledge with elucidation. Can’t we just get cracking for a list of alternative solutions? Instead of waiting for government bright boys to provide genius but ineffectual solutions.
leona says
Relocate Metro Manila? Baka he meant relocate MMDA!
A suggested solution, which MMDA and local gov’t always miss to do, “follow the trail” of all ESTEROS in Manila and like cities & towns, why these ESTEROS have now been “occupied, privately used, if not owned, and now hidden under buildings, houses, etc.” Look at the old usable Maps! Misusing these ESTEROS where will rain waters go? Unto the streets and houses,etc.!
Imagine, at one time, in the news or TV, a footage was shown re a Barangay building BUILT RIGHT ON ONE OF THE STREETS OF MANILA! Thanks that structure was ordered remove by Mayor Lim.
The same goes for the many ESTEROS. Now OCCUPIED! Before applying expert solutions by experts, this simple solution will do a great help. Without it, we would have to bring all the flood waters by ELEVATORS or HAUL the floods with huge flying BAGS and pour into Manila Bay!
Competence. Common sense. Dedication. Coordination. Action. All needed. The sun is shining now.
Thanks God for the sunshine. Amen.
docbebot says
@Leona
I see 3 big problems, equally blame-worthy: (1) politicians who cuddle squatters and government authorities who tolerate squatters, allow shady developers and contractors, and who don’t enforce laws strictly,, (2) the squatters themselves, professional or otherwise, and (3) some of us, including myself, who are apathetic to whatever proactive measures offered by well-meaning people like Architect Palafox. Myself, presently a flood victim and evacuee, think, We have been down this road before, talked this thing to death, and nowhere near a solution or mitigation. Pnoy’s team doesn’t inspire confidence.
leona says
I am sorry to hear you are a flood victim/evacuee. Right you are. We’ve had been unsuccessful in solving this flood problem. Apathetic first on our political leaders, national and local. Realistically, we keep on “dying but never die” which is the sad thing. For those who did die, they are released from it all. Right again. I realy have not seen PNoy’s Teams making a dent. No inspiration. Same inactions.
I really lament. Thanks for sharing @docbebot.
docbebot says
@Leona
Thanks for your reply. I wish I could provide a link to a new article by Atty. Oposa in Rappler about catchment ponds, and maybe share this to a CPMer who are close to the levers of power and the movers and shakers of this benighted country.
Mel says
docbebot says
Thanks, Mel. I like the part that says the obscure is easy but the obvious is hard.
Alizarin Viridia says
If I may say so Mr. Oposa’s piece is so Pinoy, smart with irony, sarcasm,
self-flagellation, and a sense of humour truoy Pinoy. BUT that’s it. the whole
of it.
Alizarin Viridia says
“The leader of the Filipinos went on tri-media and said, “My countrymen, the scientists tell us that after 3 days, we will all be underwater because of floods and a 20-meter sea level rise. My beloved countrymen, we still have 3 days to learn how to breathe underwater.”
Short of learning to breathe underwater, there is something that we Filipinos are geniuses at – resilience and adaptability. We only need proper guidance.”
—————-
I hear this kind of smart alecky discourse in Catholic churches too.
when and how to get out of this kind of thinkingWE WILL NEVER KNOW.
raissa says
Atty Oposa is a leading environmentalist.
I’ve interviewed him.
Alizarin Viridia says
THAT’S an invite for me to read more of his pieces.
raissa says
You can also watch him on YOUTUBE –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPLLZX_bMdI
Below is part of his acceptance speech for the Ramon Magsaysay Awards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-brXND–fgQ
Alizarin Viridia says
cruel but PAINLESS Ms Raissa. so says
the veterinarian I know.
Alizarin Viridia says
I DID read his piece on Raffler. I said before that; That’s it, the whole
of it. Now except that part of ‘KIDDING?’ option of submerging the
entire Marikina Valley.
Still my request to CPmers continue; to guess the option I have
in mind. any one will get it keeping in mind the Marikina option.
I DISAGREE that because water have nowhere to go flooding
and destruction occurs. Nature is perfect and man must know its way
as the cave men have gradually and slowly learned.
vander anievas says
@leona,
esteros and in several occasion, streets, are owned by the leaders of their territories. these are the sacred land for the voters-settlers, friends, relatives, and all sorts with the vicious habit of settling in and out perpetually. include the rivers’/creeks’ easements, railroads left and right, bridges atop and below, overpasses/underpasses, condemned structures, anywhere where no landlord or occupant will evict them. governors will say, i have no power to restrain them , it is the mayors’ duty. the mayors will puff the same reason. and so on. and finally when there comes out an eviction order, the human rightists(and leaders) will protest with all their might, elevate to the SC. the local leaders will come to the rescue…berate all those that uphold the legality of eviction.
what solution or mitigation are we talking about?
rich and poor contributes to the gravity of natural phenomenon striking our impoverished land annually. all our misdoings. we are all guilty of action and inaction.
we have to learn. now.
pivotdoji says
Wrath of God? then how about this?
full of epals and hypocrisy at times like this
Alizarin Viridia says
Those who have taken Agric Meteorology in UP Los Banos please speak out. Think outside the science box. Leave inside the meteorology box things like Low Pressure areas to Typhoons just for a short while. Concentrate with Habagat and Amihan as weather phenomenon of kupong-kupong times. Being with us for a long long time, that’s why they have great meaningful names, permanent names unlike typhoons.
Forget about illegal logging, deforestation, blah, blah.
Forget that KAINGINEROS for decades had been stupidly blamed for nude forests and floods in the lowlands by government and media. Forget blind and cross-eyed analysis by some ecologists and NGOs.
Use Google maps and look at the Philippines and be reminded of Galileo who may not have known at the time the HYDROLOGIC CYCLE. God, Where are all those waters coming from? Will the rains never stop?
What’s the beef with all these Northeast Moonson (Amihan) and Northwest Moonson (Habagat) all about? Look at the Google map again and see the vast spans of ocean left and right of the Philippines.
For want of a name for these two water mass climbing the high heavens just call it the Alizarin Viridia (AV) effect. Just measure the open sea east and west of the Philippines and have an idea of the Niagara Falls decades-long amount of water dump into a smaller section of the Philippines. Deforestation might have caused the floods and landslides but that’s thinking inside the box. That is not the whole story.
To inform the CPMers, I think it is now time for PAGASA people of DoST to stop being mute and call this Alizarin Viridia’s conjecture silly thinking. If it is indeed probable, give it an elucidation worthy of their science.
Alizarin Viridia says
If Amihan and Habagat are immortal lovers, let the CPMers think of
how they can practice family planning, moderate their wind-water orgasms.
Alizarin Viridia says
This is just a droplet in the lake of adequate info about the destructive rainfall of August, selected from the internet:
“The scientific consensus expressed in the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Summary for Policymakers[11] is for the water cycle to continue to intensify throughout the 21st century, though this does not mean that precipitation will increase in all regions. In subtropical land areas — places that are already relatively dry — precipitation is projected to decrease during the 21st century, increasing the probability of drought. The drying is projected to be strongest near the poleward margins of the subtropics (for example, the Mediterranean Basin, South Africa, southern Australia, and the Southwestern United States). Annual precipitation amounts are expected to increase in near-equatorial regions that tend to be wet in the present climate, and also at high latitudes. These large-scale patterns are present in nearly all of the climate model simulations conducted at several international research centers as part of the 4th Assessment of the IPCC. There is now ample evidence that increased hydrologic variability and change in climate has and will continue to have a profound impact on the water sector through the hydrologic cycle, water availability, water demand, and water allocation at the global, regional, basin, and local levels.[12] Research published in 2012 in Science based on surface ocean salinity over the period 1950 to 2000 confirm this projection of an intensified global water cycle with salty areas becoming more saline and fresher areas becoming more fresh over the period:[13]”.
So sorry, I erroneously referred to the Southwest Moonson Habagat as Northwest Moonson.
zkr says
How dumb can people be to blame the current administration (daang matuwid) for the Antipolo landslide? Landslides happened because for decades, the mountains have been denuded – LGUs & DENR have allowed (legally or illegally) the cutting of trees and mushrooming of real estate development without the proper safeguards to build houses on the slopes. We have no control of mother nature’s wrath especially if we had abused it.
emong says
More irresponsible parents , means more souls to feed
more souls to feed, government will try to pump up the economy
Economy rise, so does usage of resources
More usage of resources , means more trees to be cut off since land would be use for mining, housing, agriculture , business….
Less trees means less water our river system can hold, end result flood then famine or death…
Additionally , Land and water resources are FIX. End result, it might end to conflict that might lead to war ( e.g China – Spratly and Scarborough issue , history of the world) . Please pass the RH Bill..
Also, uncontrolled population also means additional congressman , mayors and barangay captain that will be added to the government once an area reach the minimum required heads.. end result , additional corrupt officials..
I hope I’m making sense … and yes, I’m a Catholic..
isellnuts says
Yes! you do make a lot of sense but only a few percentage of our entire population have the same common sense as yours.
Our urban poor and informal settlers are pre-occupied how to make both ends meet, get laid and oblivious to the responsibility of responsible parenthood.
Alizarin Viridia says
I like to agree, but also beg to disagree even on minor points:
@emong says: August 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm
More irresponsible parents [TO ME MAKING LOVE AND BEGETTING CHILDREN IS NOT BEING IRRESPONSIBLE AT ALL, THAT’S GOD GIVEN first PLEASURABLE INSTINCT OF MAN FOR SELF PRESERVATION] , means more souls to feed (I AGREE but this is difficult to connect with irresponsibility]
more souls to feed, government will try to pump up the economy [in theory yes, not in practice where they pump up their personal and family economy]. Economy rise [in statistics] , so does usage of resources [ agree but ACTUAL waste of resources are closer to truth]
More usage [abuse] of resources , means more trees to be cut off [down] since [then waste] land would be use for mining, housing, agriculture , business…. Less trees means less water our river system can hold, end result flood then famine or death…[death comes first, famine avoided because of the kindhearts of Filipinos]
Additionally , Land and water resources are FIX.[In a way they are not fix, with care they can be made abundant and plentiful but if abuse will diminish in worth and importance]. End result, it might end to conflict that might lead to war ( e.g China – Spratly and Scarborough issue , history of the world) . [sorry I can see so many dots in-between for me to make the strong connection]
Please pass the RH Bill.. [ agree Agree, AGREE]
Also, uncontrolled population also means additional congressman , mayors and barangay captain that will be added to the government once an area reach the minimum required heads.. end result , additional corrupt officials. [ yes, YES. But they are already born, already with us NOW.]
I hope I’m making sense … and yes, I’m a Catholic.. [ You are making sense, A sensible Catholic, but forgive me for sounding so much like your insensitive guro.]
emong says
1) [TO ME MAKING LOVE AND BEGETTING CHILDREN IS NOT BEING IRRESPONSIBLE AT ALL, THAT’S GOD GIVEN first PLEASURABLE INSTINCT OF MAN FOR SELF PRESERVATION] – If that’s also my definition of an irresponsible parent, I can’t agree more.. However, I have my own definition which can be shown thru this video:
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260168/newstv/frontrow/gma-news-tv-docu-bente-dos-features-poor-manila-family-with-22-children
-My question is this, and if after doing the deed of “SELF PRESERVATION” without proper family planning, and children were born with nothing to eat which may lead to death, won’t it defeat the purpose of self preservation?
-Would you rather give a parent a choice
or let a poor child live without a choice?
2) [In a way they are not fix, with care they can be made abundant and plentiful but if abuse will diminish in worth and importance].
-Why? do land and rivers multiply like humans?
I’m not a guru, neither do I pretend to be one..
I’m just here to express my thoughts ..
duquemarino says
@CPMers
“Floods in PH man-made disaster, say experts”
http://www.rappler.com/nation/10184-floods-in-ph-man-made-disaster,-say-experts
Urban planner Nathaniel Einseidel said the Philippines had enough technical know-how and could find the necessary financing to solve the problem, but there was no vision or political will.
“It’s a lack of appreciation for the benefits of long-term plans. It’s a vicious cycle when the planning, the policies and enforcement are not very well synchronised,” said Einseidel, who was Manila’s planning chief from 1979-89.
“I haven’t heard of a local government, a town or city that has a comprehensive drainage masterplan.”
raissa says
Einseidel was one of my favorite sources when I was a newbie reporter covering Metro Manila Commission. Glad to know he’s alive.
He and a handful of others were the planners then. But the government hardly listened to them.
Rallie Florencio says
I am glad to hear about our common friend Nathaniel Einseidel. His words are to be considered sacred when it comes to Urban Planning. I am very glad to know he is still alive too and I hope he is back from Singapore (last place I heard where he was).
His only problem was that he was associated with Joli Benitez who got blessing from Imelda Marcos but i can assure he is a very intelligent, professional and an honest man.
I hope government will listen to him.
Jett Rink says
Was he a technocrat or an Imelda man? Also how was the MMC run by Mrs.Marcos ? good/bad/ugly?
leona says
godadly!
Alanp says
Filipinos’ wrath vs Mitos in 2013
impex2012 says
@AlanP
Check this. Lalo kang mag maiinis.
http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/61229/calamity-campaigning-is-so-eeewww
leona says
those cans of sardines could be filled with maggots…had that experience one time in life! BAHO!
Ingat kayo dyan.
albayislands says
DROWNED…they say its GOD’s wrath, the other said its Man Made…the facts that the trees in the mountains that holds the rain water are gone, the poor and uneducated are multiplying in millions, the corrupt government officials who got away stealing BILLIONS, the church leaders who support CORRUPTION, the Billionaire Businessmen who cheat on TAXES and pay slave labor wages, the miners who hauled our gold to other countries, the multi-national companies who uses our raw materials and export their products around the world and also pay the Filipino workers slave labor wages, our engineers, scientist, doctors and other professionals who left for a better pay to build and develop other countries…these facts are Man Made and the root cause is CORRUPTION. Now we have a president who is fighting against CORRUPTION, he will not beg the Filipinos to help him because he will show the enemies that he is weak. He is showing the Filipinos that he is not Corrupt and lead by example. He knows why his Father died, his father did not just talk against the evils of Marcos but gave his life to the Filipino people. Cory, his Mother tried her best, but the power of her enemies, the CORRUPT was so great that she failed. And we have seen this happen. This is our last chance to support a president who is on our side, if we don’t he will fall again and the CORRUPT will again rule our country. We cannot just talk about the cancer in our society if we want CHANGE. We need to organize and form a pressure group and do some work NOT just TALK…as Leona mentioned, there are so many wrongs that need to be CHANGED….sorry I got to go, my ride is going…
Rolly says
Like!
Let’s get organizing then…Idon’t know how, I’ll follow.
allan says
AGREE!!!
peregrino natividad says
STUPID CONGRESSWOMAN MITOS HABANA-MAGSAYSAY LISTEN TO THIS!
The Pope said that it is unwise to think of natural disasters as God’s way of punishing sinners. He said that “calamities and tragic events must not arouse our curiosity or our desire to find the supposedly guilty, but should be occasions to reflect, to reject the illusion that we can live without God.” A wise man, reflecting on tragedies, seems them as a reminder “about the precarious nature of existence,” the Pontiff said.
isellnuts says
Here is a story how one of our own Filipino priests was involved. The city of Carson in the Southbay of Los Angeles county is 65% a Filipino community.
A victory for victim of abuse
With the receipt of $500,000 from the L.A. Archdiocese, a two-decade legal battle ends for a woman molested by priests. One fathered her daughter.
December 05, 2007|Susannah Rosenblatt | Times Staff Writer
Rita Milla’s story rocked the Archdiocese of Los Angeles when she first told it 23 years ago. Seven Roman Catholic priests, she said, had sexually abused her when she was a teenager, with one eventually fathering her child. The devout young woman who had once hoped to become a nun instead gave birth in secret in the Philippines.
On Tuesday, her decades-long legal battle came to an emotional end.
Looking somber and relieved, Milla received $500,000 from the archdiocese, part of a $660-million settlement between the church and hundreds of people alleging abuse at the hands of priests.
The church “didn’t care about the children’s souls,” Milla, 46, said Tuesday. “The only thing they understood was the money.”
Milla’s daughter Jackie, a toddler when her mother first sued the diocese for more than $15 million in a case that was later dismissed, is now 25.
Her birth father was named Tuesday as Father Valentine Tugade. A DNA test legally established Tugade’s paternity in 2003, said Gloria Allred, Milla’s longtime attorney, during a news conference at her Miracle Mile office.
Tugade at some point lived in the Bay Area city of Fremont, but Allred said she did not know if he was still alive.
Jackie “has not seen him and does not wish to see him, because she feels she was the child of a rape,” Allred said.
Milla’s 1984 lawsuit accused seven priests of seducing her, starting when she was 16, and sending her abroad to give birth.
The late Father Santiago Tamayo first made advances to an adolescent Milla, who sang in the choir and taught Sunday school at a Carson parish, through a broken confessional screen.
The religious young woman assumed that the priests “would know what is a sin,” she said in a 1984 interview. The clergymen told her that sometimes priests “got lonely too.”
Some in the Catholic community initially doubted Milla’s claims and labeled her a criminal and a liar.
Later, archdiocese letters showed that church officials advised Tamayo to remain in his native Philippines to avoid legal troubles and paid him to stay there.
In 1991, Tamayo publicly apologized to Milla for having sex with her.
On Tuesday, Allred called the settlement “an acknowledgment that Rita was right and [church officials] were wrong.”
In a low, halting voice, Milla described the pain of losing her beloved Catholic faith more than 20 years ago. “It was horrible, because that was my whole identity,” said the medical assistant from Carson. “It was like . . . ripped away from me. I felt like I was nothing for so many years.”
leona says
If I were to doctrinize by popish decree I will order all priests and bishops hence on to be de-BALLsed!
No more balls now and hereafter. That will at least reduced 75% sexuality urgings! Like a male/female doggies. The Pharaohs of Egypt always did that to all household members specially the MALES.
Why not the RC Church? Other religious allows their ministers/priests to marry and raise a family. Have you heard an Iglesia Pastor accused of what RCC priests are accused of? Kung mayroon, isa lang. How about Presbyterians? Anglicans? Aglipayans? Sabadistas? Jehovahs? Protestants? Kung mayroon taga isa lang siguro. How about RC Catholics? KATARBA!
Fr. Soc, sex becomes corrupt pag used illegally. Immorally. Indiscriminately. Wantonly. (‘di pansit ‘to!) At saka yun mga pari nyo ‘di marunong mag condom use. Grabe yan!
Milla experienced pain losing her beloved Catholic faith! That is emptiness in life difficult to recover.
esoj nosyas says
A couple of years ago when the scandals starts coming out I suggested to our priest in front of few congregants,on why not castrating all the priests to prevent sexual urge,He said it is too harsh,and I may have to go to hell.btw he was a filipino priest and it was in NY.
Alizarin Viridia says
When you de-ball bulls of livestock you may resort to
surgery, or use strong rubber bands to tie the hanging
testicles until they fall of. But for priests or bishops
many animal husbandmen will probably recommend an
emasculatom, big pliers that will severe the testicles
and scrotum from the lower torso. Dubbed with cotton
soaked with iodine might prevent infection.
DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME OR IN CHURCHES.
DO THIS ONLY IN THE PRESENCE OF A
VETERINARIAN.
No, NO. big hedge scissors is not recommended.
isellnuts says
That’s how we castrate cats and dogs back in my hometown. Tie their testicles with #20 thread tightened real tight until their testicles falls off.
raissa says
cruel
tristanism says
Or we could just let them marry.
leona says
@tristanism…Yes, why not?
Come to think of it…what’s immoral about allowing RC priests to marry & raise a family?
Is that corruption? No. That is part of love for a fellow human being.
Why the “love to marry” is not part of the RC Church policies? Like the other religious Sects?
If such will promote the Gospel more effectively rather than create more corruptions, the RC Church has missed this chance for millennia!
If one would read the history of the RC Church, one would be horribly surprised on this issue. It was allowed then and later was stopped. Maybe it was realized that not only many had a family but families also, just like our politicians…many wives!
That was corruption! But maybe a good reason was not to share the wealth or income of the Church with priests’ families! Less palaces and luxurious way of life would result therefrom.
Many priests in far flung barrios, etc. have pitiful living conditions. Temptations become so strong. It is a lonely and empty temporal life. Not comparable to a AFP soldier’s. So, many priests always love to have that PALAKASAN with the higher ups…get away from the desperate living conditions. Go to the big cities and towns. Get near to Bishops for padrinos, etc. Get promoted. I know this. I have spoken to many of this class of priests. Many are devoted to their work. Pitiful really.
As one CPMer has given here, the leadership in the Vatican is now tiltling…there is a 5th group…Quisling movement…if you want some more check WHO WAS CARDINAL SIRI…GUISSEPPI SIRI, the cardinal in red…1958 era…elected pope (Gregory VII) but was never allowed to rule…exiled and ordered to keep silent…he kept that secret with remorse all his life. He said if he reveals the secret it is horrible! Check it.
Corruption!
Johnny lin says
Some defenders of the catholic church might say that this woman is partly at fault by consenting.
But, consider that the brainwashing, the belief of this woman that the priests have controlled over the congregates, the respect of this woman to theman of cloth is greater than shaming him are factors she consented
Just thinking loud….
raissa says
The priests were unfaithful to their own morals and to the teachings of God.
Johnny lin says
Do Philippine clergies have a titular head? Cbcp president is not nor it is Archbishop of Manila, Bishop Tagle.
Who then, is it the papal nuncio? If it is, why? Since he is suppose tto be a papal ambassador?
Maybe the reason Bishops themselves are in disaaray, no common spoesman, has leadership vacuum unlike before during the time of Cardinal Sin.
In a home, lack of father figure is detrimental to the family. No wonder every Philippine clergy now is looking for self personal interest due to lack of discipline from above.
isellnuts says
Papal nuncio is the equivalent of an ambassador. He is the Vatican envoy to any state.
isellnuts says
EXPLOSIVE ALLEGATIONS IN SECRET CATHOLIC FILES
Vati Leaks – Monday, March 12, 2012
A sordid priesthood sex scandal is currently unfolding in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia as the trial of the first Roman Catholic official in the United States charged with the cover-up of child sexual abuse gets under way. Monsignor William Lynn, 60, is charged with endangering children by transferring accused sexually abusive paedophile priests to unsuspecting new parishes during the 1990s, vastly expanding the number of children who were subsequently raped. In this landmark criminal case, Lynn faces charges of conspiracy and felony child endangerment, and he is also charged with being part of a broader plot to systematically protect molester priests in the Roman Catholic archdiocese.
And then it happened …
In February, 2012, and during the selection of the jury, the ‘Philadelphia Inquirer’ revealed explosive new evidence of decades of high level cover-ups of priest child sexual abuse in the Philadelphia archdiocese. That bombshell was the discovery of a 1994 memo that referred to instructions allegedly issued by Cardinal Anthony J. Bevilacqua to shred a list of names of 35 Philadelphia-area purportedly abusive priests. It had been hidden for years in a locked archdiocesan safe and a locksmith was employed to open the safe and retrieve the document. Cardinal Bevilacqua’s instructions were reportedly effected with the support of Bishops Cullen and Cistone, who to date, like Pope Benedict XVI, have not publicly commented on the contents of the document. Philadelphia prosecutors wrote in a response filed in the court that the discovery of the memo was ‘unexpected and shocking’, and was in ‘fact the equivalent of a smoking gun for the prosecution case against Lynn’.
They can’t shred the truth
Cardinal Bevilacqua died on January 31st, 2012 aged 88, one day after the judge ruled him competent to testify in Monsignor Lynn’s trial, leaving behind this unanswered question; ‘Who ordered him to destroy the files?’ Was it Pope John Paul II, or then-Cardinal Ratzinger, who at the time (1994) was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) that supposedly investigated child sex abuse by Catholic priests? Nobody in the Vatican had more knowledge of the ruthlessness and extent of these criminal acts than Cardinal Ratzinger, and later, in 2011, as Pope Benedict XVI, the ‘Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests’ (SNAP), took unprecedented legal action against him in the International Criminal Court in The Hague for crimes against humanity.
‘The Catholic Church’s Secret Sex-Crime Files’ (by Sabrina Rubin Erdely)
Monsignor Lynn’s trial is expected to last four months, and the team at Vatileaks will keep you informed on its progress and the potential Philadelphia implosion that will have implications right into the Papal Palace in Vatican City. Also, we shall soon be posting a stunning article written by top international investigative journalist, Sabrina Rubin Erdely and her extraordinary account of the Philadelphia Archdiocese’s secret abuse files. After months of research, Ms. Erdely graphically reveals the existence of a high-level conspiracy in the Archdiocese to cover-up decades of child sex abuse by Catholic priests and how Vatican hierarchs knowingly transferred accused priests to unsuspecting parishes where additional child victims were subsequently brutalized. Ms. Erdely’s assessment is a well-researched account of one of the most damaging scandals to hit the US Catholic Church in its history, and her article is compelling reading.
Conclusion
People who think that the Catholic priesthood is a pious, saintly body of people virtuously professing the word of God will be horrified with Ms. Erdely’s graphic depiction of what priests really do to children and the amount of callous sex crimes that career paedophiles commit. Watch out for this story on Vatileaks soon!!!
Johnny lin says
Monsignor Lynn has been sentenced to jail, at least 6 years. His appeal to be released on on bail was rejected. He is now in jail.
raissa says
The Church has to cleanse itself, as it did in the past.
That’s all.
leona says
Ironic. Just like a carpenter…no home; plumber…no water; engineer…no structure; chef…no kitchen; a cop…no arrests made; lawmaker…does not know the laws; and lastly of course, priest…with many sins!
What else? It’s all everywhere else.
Corruption.
allan says
I think the right term to rid off bad seeds in the all the churches to include the Vatican is exorcism
leona says
Maybe only the Sakristan will be left, if he’s clean too!
peregrino natividad says
ADDRESS TO MITOS MAGSAYSAY (CONGRESSWOMAN OF ZAMBALES).
Mitos, do you know Voltaire? If you are that educated?
François-Marie Arouet, the man behind the pen name Voltaire, was a famous Enlightenment writer, historian and philosopher. He advocated for civil liberties and freedom of religion, and his wit, of course, is as sharp as it is insightful. Voltaire, I feel, is somewhat glossed over in the Western world, which is quite unfortunate, as his writing, and that of several others, indirectly inspired the American and French Revolutions.
Voltaire”s famous saying for your information you, despicable congresswoman –
. “I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.”
“Such then is the human condition, that to wish greatness for one’s country is to wish harm to one’s neighbors.”
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” (“Je désapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je défendrai à la mort votre droit à le dire”)
“Every man is guilty of all the good he didn’t do”
“.Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes”
. …………………………read more about European History Mitos! I often wonder how you became a congresswoman at all. And now you want the Filipino peopl to vote for you as Senator?… comments from a concerned Filipino living in Europe.
bearhug0127 says
I have just posted on my fb page. ” I am a registered voter and i am NOT VOTING for mitos magsaysay for senator.
Johnny lin says
In fairness to Mitos, she claimed that her fb posting (posted by Raissa in this blog) was overblown by Philippine Inquirer reporter, that she was never interviewed by reporter. She said she was referring to environment, not RH bill
Mitas fb: “heaven must be crying. What has been done should be undone”
Classic double entendre
What did Farinas claim on Corona defense “Palusot”
Seems Corona “illness” is contagious, Mitos has caught the bug
He he he
raissa says
Oh pls.
Her previous postings never talked about the environment. Only the RH bill.
Johnny lin says
Mitos is trying to grab every mile of publicity, however bad. Sign of s dame in distress.
First, she made a tear jerker scene in Congress when she cried in theHouse because Sec Abad did not release her pork barrel. She is attacking the administration for partisan which she never voiced out when GMA was doing the same thing.
When their group was outwitted on RH bill by apparent Abnoy followed by severe rain,and flooding, she tried to gain media mileage by saying that “heaven did what she did, crying”
When it backfired she disclaimed respsibility, all in the name of media publicity, mostly bad.
Desperate woman tries desperate measures. She should notice that nobody from UNA is defending or seconding her.
She is becoming a liability to UNA. He he he
filipino_mom says
as if may maniwala sa kanyang environment yung ibig nyang sabihin.
leona says
Ask Mitos who is “bolare” by Dean Martin. She knows!