Robin Leonard, who lives in Serendra, posted this on Facebook: It looks like the condo next to ours exploded, walls blew out and totally destroyed an Abenson truck. Fortunately we weren’t hurt but saw a bright orange flash and a loud bang. Our door wouldn’t open and things are quite ‘bent’ inside the building. Now evacuated drinking beer in High St. Whew that was a close call. People are speculating bomb, but could be a gas explosion. Just after the blast we heard a male scream out a few times then go silent. Very scary. It was either a gas explosion or somebody planted a bomb in that poor guys condo… no terrorism here folks, even though we feel terrorized. 3 confirmed dead (probably from the abensons truck)
UPDATE: 3:15 PM, June 1, 2013
Robin Leonard, a Serendra resident and CEO of AllFamous Digital, posted more photos on his company website. Please click on this link to look at them. My thanks @Cha for finding Robin Leonard’s website.
Posted on Twitter by Manny & Pie Calayan M.D.
A blast – strong enough to knock down a wall – rocked Manila’s millionaire row Friday night, just as the Philippine government announced a 7.8% growth of the economy in the first quarter.
It’s too soon to tell what has caused the explosion on the fifth floor of 2 Serendra in Bonifacio Global city – a gas range, an illicit drug laboratory, an altercation gone bad or an improvised explosive device.
UPDATE: The government is taking the explosion very seriously. No less than President Benigno Aquino and Local Government Secretary Mar Roxas have personally visited to inquire into it.
Interesting – Mar Roxas himself is tweeting updates:
UPDATE: 12:47 am, June 1, 2013
Ayala Land has just issued the following statement below [My thanks @jim ayson for reposting it on Facebook]:
At least two three people who were inside a passing Abenson delivery van were instantly killed when debris from the blast fell on the van they were riding on.
UPDATE: Teresa Cerojano of the Associated Press quoted unnamed authorities as saying the blast was possibly caused by an appliance. to read Tess’ piece, please click on this link.
As usual, instead of moving away from the blast, Filipinos move as close as they can to it. Photo posted by Skip dela Cruz ( @skipDLC ) on Twitter.
While the cause has yet to be established, this brings back to mind memories of the 1980s when explosions could bring down the economy in a heartbeat. – Raissa Robles
UPDATE: Blogger Andres Bisenio writes a first person account when he heard the KABOOM while eating in a nearby restaurant with his family:
Today , We went to Market Market to buy some shoes and my school bag.
After that , we went to eat in a restaurant.
I was just eating up as my parents were ordering some stuff when…..
KABOOM! The whole mall vibrated and turned silent.
Me: OMG OMG OMG WHAT WAS THAT!?!?!?
My Father: Calm Down .
Random Man: Maybe it’s over there , look , it looks heavy.
Random Woman: Oh yes look at tha——-
[A stampede of panicking people raced to the exit .Probably they watched fast and furious , felt the Xtra Loud Explosion and then created Fast and Furious 7 FREE 3D HD: Market Market Panic. LOL]
To read the rest, please click on this link.
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Cha says
Maligayang araw ng kalayaan sa lahat ng kapwa Pilipinong nagmamahal sa ating bayan! Mabuhay tayong lahatat lalo na si Raissa at Alan sa kanilang patuloy na pagpupunyagi at pakikipagpaglaban para sa ikabubuti ng isang malayang Pilipinas.
raissa says
Guys, I’m just finalizing a short speech that I’m to share at Thursday’s forum of the Philippine Press Institute.
Here are the links –
http://www.philpressinstitute.com/2013/05/25/ppi-to-re-examine-media-and-honor-best-regional-papers/
http://www.philstar.com/psn-opinyon/2013/06/03/949489/ppi-49-taon-na-tema-watching-watchdog
http://sundaypunch.prepys.com/archives/2013/06/02/ppi-to-re-examine-media-role/
Thanks for all your support,
Raissa
baycas says
Thanks for the update.
@raissa,
I would like to believe traffic in this blog is fewer than, let’s say, the Corona “heyday”.
Unfortunately, the database error is still showing. It may contribute to would-be readers’s (of this site) annoyance and may cause them not to proceed in visiting your blog.
raissa says
Thanks for the heads up.
Rene-Ipil says
While explosion rocks Two Serendra, disunity rocks our Supreme Court. One year after CJ Sereno was appointed by PNoy, the senior justices of the Supreme Court cannot accept the fact that CJ Sereno is their superior. The Supreme Court has been rocked by palpable show of non-cooperation by the senior justices in attending the flag raising ceremonies. They even have the temerity to reverse well meaning administrative actions of CJ Sereno such as the decentralization of function of the Office of Court Administrator. And lately by publicly humiliating CJ Sereno in regard to the TRO issued on party-list matters.
In the 112th founding anniversary today of the Supreme Court only five justices joined CJ Sereno during the anniversary program—Associate Justices Estella Perlas-Bernabe, Marvic Leonen, Bienvenido Reyes, Mariano Del Castillo and Jose Perez.
Replacing Enrile, Estrada and Sotto was the immediate objective of electing Team PNoy senatorial bets to ensure enactment of laws promoting “matuwid na daan”. But there is an equally, if not more, important duty of the senate in the present period of our country’s history. That is the cleansing of the judiciary.
The “Arroyo eight” and Midas Marquez are still with the Supreme Court. There are more corrupt than honest justices and judges in the lower courts, not to mention the incompetent. The executive and legislative branches of the government must weed out those “hoodlums in robe” to significantly enhance peace and order and stabilize economic conditions in the country. With the presence of these “hoodlums in robe”, no amount of excellent performance by the police and the prosecution service can improve our criminal justice system. And with the flip-flopping and transactional decisions of the Supreme Court, our economic efforts are doomed.
Congress can start by impeaching and removing, after trial, corrupt SC justices. For one, the Anti-Money Laundering Council (AMLC) can be tapped to document monetary transactions of the “hoodlums in robe”. SALNs are surely helpful. The president must appoint replacements of known probity, competence and independence. And the “new” Supreme Court under the tutelage of CJ Sereno can now overhaul the judiciary through voluntary resignation or indictment of notorious judges and justices.
Rene-Ipil says
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/424475/sereno-calls-for-unity-at-sc-anniversary-rite
Victin Luz says
Maganda @Atty ,,,ang idea mo regarding SC… No mercy na sa KANILA….ang kakapal ng MUKHA , wala namang gustong magresign he he ,,, buti pa mga JUSTICES ni Marcos noon , tendered regination but only it was not accepted I think….
letlet says
@ rene-ipil
These hoodlums in robes are just thinking of their own selfish desires and serving their own agenda, nothing for the country and the Filipino people, which therefore, they are a TOTAL FAILURE in the delivery of justice for the people and to the people. THEY SUCKS, THROUGH AND THROUGH. They are not competent members of the Supreme Court of good character, integrity and judgement. They don’t even consider the impact of their decisions on the betterness of the country in terms of delivery of justice demographically, but only the impact of their decisions on the betterness of their grandiose ambitions. These hoodlums in robes are trampling us the Filipino people. SC Justice Carpio must be their leader, which shows that they just blindly follow him, so they are no longer independent thinking justices, so now they are just ROBOTS who move at the flick of SCJ Carpio’s remote control. Bloody hell, let’s kick them out – these parasites are bleeding our people’s money.
Victin Luz says
[email protected]…. Kaya hindi ibinigay ni PNOY sa kanya ang CJ sa SC it was because during the Ramos presidency Carpio being the Legal Adviser of Ramos,,,,recommended and adviced Ramos the privatization of NAPOCOR and the approval of the EPIRA LAW which turn out or Handed Filipinos a higher power rates per kilowatts upon it’s privatization as against when it was under government control or NAPOCOR….
zamera says
These “judges” are rude. Their actions and antics show they don’t deserve being called “kagalang-galang na hukom”. These leeches and maggots must go, no ifs and buts whatsoever.
moonie says
this has gone on long enough. we can’t have justices behaving like hoodlums and harassing the one trying to do good. they have alienated our country by their constant disprespect of our flag raised at the front of the supreme court blg, not attending the flag raising ceremony despite repeated calls for them to be present. time we step in. time we put them in their place, time we ask congress to pass law requiring each justices to take turn at raising the flag. if sick or absent, their deputies or chief of staff can take over. these justices have done enough harm to our national pride and unity. time we let them know we are not please. time we kick their butts. let’s pass a law that requires these justices to be justices for once. they have a duty to serve.
moonie says
and why must these hoodies/justices overturned serreno’s judgement? they are supposed to decide with her, raised concerns with her, talk with her, debate with her beforehand, not wait until she has made final decisions and then, in the glare of the media and the public, belittle her decision, reversed and overturned it. are the minds of these hoodies/justices cobwebbey? okay, let’s send them to pasture then. the job is getting too much for them, they can no longer cope.
letlet says
Let’s start with SJ Carpio – being the leader of the hoodlum pack controlling the Supreme Court -, who has utterly no desire to utterly deliver justice for people and to the people, we the people has to ask President Aquino and Congress to look into SJ Carpio’s SALN before and during his reign of Supreme Court. Napatalsik natin si Corona, magagawa din natin kay Carpio yan. Also, I wonder how much he was paid by the lobbyists ( under the table) to approve the privatization of NAPOCOR, after which it entered contracts with various foreign and local independent power producers (IPPS). There should be a thorough investigations on this matter. What properties he owns in the Philippines, USA, Europe, etc. Are they in his name/ wife / children’s / relatives name? Where is his hometown, how many properties owns there? Carpio, if you don’t bloody care about us, we don’t bloody care about you. LINTA, YOU ARE SUCKING OUR BLOOD.
baycas says
Finally, pouring rain…after a very long drought…
http://pcij.org/blog/2013/06/11/sc-approves-pcij-request-allows-release-of-salns
curveball says
ito ang isa sa pinakahihintay natin na malaman.
kung sino-sino sa mga “magigiting” na ito ang yumaman at sobrang naging mayaman (na hindi kapanipaniwala) mula ng manungkulan.
abangan ang susunod na kabanata
vander anievas says
kelan pa matatapos ang kabuktutan nila? pilipinas magkaisa at bunutin ang tinik sa ating lalamunan. kung impeachment ang lunas, magtulung-tulong tayo upang masampahan ng kaso ang lahat ng hindi karapat-dapat sa kanilang katungkulan…
curveball says
ang mga “matatalino” na hukom na ito.
sa sobrang talino pati ang dapat na sundin na pinuno ay sinisuwag.
di ba dapat ipakita nila sa atin na maganda ang samahan nila? bakit sila pa mismo ang sasalungat sa pinuno nila?
teka di kaya meron silang hidden pinuno sa labas ng SC?
jorge bernas says
@ Rene – Ipil,
Tama ka pare, Dapat nang buwagin ang mga walang kuwentang “Hoodlums in Robe” na patuloy na sumusupil sa paghahanap natin nang tunay na katarungan at demokrasya…Ang ayaw nang magandang pamamalakad ni c.j. sereno sa supreme court ay dapat magresign na para hindi madamay ang ibang may magandang hinahangad para sa kabutihan nang nakararaming mamamayan…At ang ayaw magresign na mga tiwaling justices sa korte suprema ay dapat ma impeach para magsilbing halimbawa at leksiyon at nang hindi na pamarisan…
Bakit patuloy pa rin nakaupo mga walang kuwentang justices na ito samantalang lantaran/garapalan na ginagawa nilang pagpapahiya sa kanilang mga sarili? Hindi man ako sing dunong at talino nila pero alam ko kaya hindi pa sila umaalis diyan dahil hinihintay pa nilang sila na ang paaalisin na kahiyahiya sa lahat, Bayad Utang or KARMA ang mangyayari sa mga walanghiyang mga justices na ito na matuloy na nagpakaTUTA…
leona says
…off tangent…”5 immigration staff face raps for ‘escorting’ Korean fugitive
by Ina Reformina, ABS-CBN News
Posted at 06/10/2013 7:21 PM | Updated as of 06/10/2013 7:34 PM
MANILA – Five persons have been recommended charged with various criminal and administrative charges for the unauthorized and unrecorded departure from the Philippines of South Korean fugitive Sungjun Park last March 19.”
…some ‘more’ engaging in ‘Escort Services’ …collektion! FUN! dating at aalis sa ‘Pinas!
baycas says
PHASE 2: BLAME
Scientific approach to the investigation, parallel expert opinion, and conclusion has been done and is still ongoing.
This kind of systematic methodology will eventually point to human error and/or system error. Human error oftentimes defies safe systems that are actually in place especially with the shortcuts and runarounds some people perpetuate, be they private or government.
This will definitely take time because the testimony of San Juan is vital and it will probably be the final piece in the “jigsaw puzzle”. Perhaps, some phenomenon may also leave doubt especially if physical evidence is lacking and inconclusive.
baycas says
So far, I don’t have answers to my “gas dryer theory” (#22), “static electricity as igniter theory” (somewhere below #10) and “dust cloud theory” (immediately below #27.1). The first two are consistent with a gas explosion and the third a dust explosion.
The Gas Dryer Theory was bolstered when we saw that the renovators transferred the washer/dryer cabinet to an area beside the cooking range/oven at the far end of the kitchen (#28). The original location near the center of the condo unit promotes the use of an electric dryer.
A “Y-piping” might have been provided from the gas outlet to feed the cooking oven and the laundry “oven”. Moreover, gas dryers often make use of natural gas (methane) that is why special fittings must be used to convert fuel source into petroleum gas (propane + butane). Two origins of gas leak are now advanced with the idea of a gas dryer.
Disturbing safe systems may prove dangerous. Human factors are almost always present in disasters.
Well, we’ll just have to initially rely on the word of Fortun that gas pipelines were not disturbed during the renovation. So, the gas leak may only be sourced from the cooking range/oven and fittings.
baycas says
The triad of an explosion, experts say, is fuel + oxygen + ignition.
Unit 501b occupant already entered and exited the room in the morning of May 31 but the right mixture of the elements for an explosion only happened at 7:59pm. It may mean gas may have been present even before San Juan arrived but the amount of oxygen is not yet sufficient to cause a blast.
Though a modified electrical design and installation were expected in the renovation and there was power maintenance on that day, static electricity or ESD (electrostatic discharge) was advanced as an ignition source inasmuch as the account of San Juan as relayed to Ochoa was that he felt electrocuted during the blast.
baycas says
It may be a farfetched idea to advance a Dust Explosion that occurred on May 31 at Two Serendra. However, dust explosion can only be attributed to a dirty room. If the electrical system is functioning well without short circuits, the normal operation of turning on and off of light switches produces a spark to ignite combustible dust with the right amount of oxygen. Even ESD is also a possible igniter.
The Dust Cloud Theory as explained in #27.1 is consistent with the presence of fuel (combustible dust) + oxygen + ignition. This time, dispersion of the dust with confinement were added to the elements for an explosion to happen.
Dust may have accumulated during the renovation and was dispersed in the air (electric fan at first then later the aircon unit) in the confined condominium setting waiting for combustion to occur.
Chemical Safety Board (CSB) explains how dust explodes here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz89_swHtCg
baycas says
B omb explosion was decidedly ruled out by the investigation as well as parallel expert opinion when gas explosion was ruled in.
Further investigation will still push through as promised. Human lapses and/or system errors will eventually be proven and perhaps court litigations will arise.
In a gas explosion, several human errors as well as system errors may be suggested and concluded. One thing that may be readily offered now is that the fail-safe system of the gas-piping structure is very much in place because there was NO flame p ropagation that occurred.
Unit owners’ negligence as well as building administrators’ shortcuts and runarounds are possible human errors.
Gas leak is presently the focal point in the investigation. Suggesting a possibility of another kind of explosion, however unbelievable it may be, will provide reasonable doubt as to the certainty of a gas leak. In a legal battle, ideas may be advanced in order to favor one.
Maintaining a dirty apartment is probably not c riminal for who would think that it would cause an explosion?
baycas says
(Note: The last part of my Comment No. 35 is still in the cloud.)
baycas says
During the course of an investigation, one cannot help imputing blame to another party in order to be absolved…
The whole rappler article (with supplied links for further readings):
http://www.rappler.com/nation/31093-serendra-never-checked-unit-501b-renovations
baycas says
In this Investigation Phase 2 of attributing blame, it is important to note the whole thrust of the process:
“Kaligtasan, Katiyakan” slide presentation…
http://www.scribd.com/doc/146259394/DILG-Two-Serendra-Presentation-June-7-2013
“Katiyakan.”
DILG differentiated the two types of explosion; ruling in DEFLAGRATION and ruling out DETONATION.
Now, the investigators and experts need to differentiate the several types of deflagration. It will be used in court when litigations will take place.
“Katiyakan.“
Victin Luz says
My comments on the DILG-SERENDRAs slide worded presentation was that: the lever arm (gate valve) as shown on the typical cabinets for GAS FLOW was to STOP or to regulate the distribution of GAS before the METER ( to record your consumption of gas ) going to your CONDO – unit.. What we are LOOKING HERE is a check valve or in HOUSEHOLD grammar a REGULATOR wherein even if there is a LEAK on the pipeline after the METER or a LEAK by not turning OFF your gas range will automatically SHUT OFF/SHUT DOWN the flow of GASSES onto the open area/space of the CONDO. WALA po ata silang ginawa or provision nito @sir Baycas……… ang logic nila dito ay kung papabayaan mo na sumingaw o bukas ang cooking range mo na hindi ginagamit o walang apoy di bahala kayo dahil may METRO naman na lumalakad at kung ilan ang nakunsumu ninyo di iyon ang bayaran ninyo……
One thing more CPMERs….if they can install a fire alarm on a BLDG… they can also install SMOKE or GAS alarm thereat in case there is a LEAK…. A methane gas as concluded on their slide presentation are flammable so that the chemical characteristics of the particular GAS infused to the pipeline must be taken into consideration to determine the amount of HEAT or TEMPERATURE that may ignite the gas to EXPLODE…..physical characteristics of the laid pipes and it’s appurtenances must also taken into consideration because in that particular accident those pipes or pipeline HOUSES the flammable GAS that triggers the explosion. There are so many kinds of pipes that varies not only the COST/MARKET PRICE but the most IMPORTANT are the STRENGTH of each pipes..
letlet says
Off Topic
Taxman to gain access to overseas accounts
Source: Steven Swinford, The Daily Telegraph, May 22, 2013
HMRC ( Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs) could gain access to overseas bank accounts of all Britons to check they are not hiding money from the tax office under a Europe-wide agreement to be set out by David Cameron today.
The Prime Minister will travel to Brussels for a European Council meeting where he will try to secure the support of all 27 member states for greater sharing of tax information.
Under the agreement, the taxman would be able to obtain details of UK residents with foreign-based accounts. Financial institutions which failed to disclose information would face higher taxes.
Britain signed a bilateral deal with the US to share banking information last year, and more recently reached similar agreements with France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
Britain has also reached accords with the Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey, alongside crown dependencies such as the Cayman Islands, Anguilla, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, Montserrat and the Turks and Caicos Islands.
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I wonder if the Aquino government could also reach bilateral agreement , like David Cameron, first with US, then reach same/ similar agreement with Hongkong, Japan ( I read Mike Arroyo has visited these countries twice while Gloria is under house arrest), to be followed with an agreement with Britain, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, etc. to share banking information on the Filipinos- politicians, government officials, very wealthy businessmen and sportsmen with foreign-based accounts. These agreements could become a lifeline/ lifesaver to our farming / fishing industries, education (for more teachers, classrooms and books), for ship building, etc.
Rene-Ipil says
Another theory as to the source of gas leakage in relation to the comments of Andrew and Baycas @10.
“Bonifacio Gas also offers energy efficient air-conditioning system that can be used for commercial and residential establishments. Endorsed by the Department of Energy, the air-conditioning technology is said to reduce energy costs of users by almost 58%.”
http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/173-power-and-energy/30852-fast-facts-the-firm-that-provides-fort-gas
San Juan complained of much heat in the room despite the air conditioner. If the piped in gas powered the appliance, there must be a leak on the system that caused the inability of the air conditioner to cool the room. Due to the lack of power, the compressor failed to operate and produce the cold air.
The electric power in my place is supplied by a local cooperative. The power fluctuates always so that several times the air conditioner’s compressor fails to operate due to low voltage. In other words, there is electrical failure or “leakage”.
Victin Luz says
Atty @Rene …the GAS used in an air-conditioning units was FREON … Although GAS , FREON is not IMFLAMABLE…. An AIRCON will not BLEW COLD AIR if ,,marumi ang unit or the strainer kaya dapat linilinis lagi if window type sya….or ….. the power supplied by MERALCO or the cooperative in an area ay mahina , that can not sustain the ENERGY/power needed to run all your households furnishing like the AIRCON…. You can PUT ON that unit pero hindi nya kayang paandarin ang MOTOR ng unit to his DESIRED horse power to circulate the FREON together with INPUT AIR coming from the outside , at pag BUGA nya sa loob ng ROOMs ay MALAMIG na sya…….. ang FREON naman pag nag leak sya Hindi sya NASINDI kasi IMFLAMABLE sya……at SIERENDRA I think it is supposed to be centralized air-conditioning unit….. With an AIR-DUCTING from the chillers to the UNITS or rooms…….Kung ang sabi nila mainit ang BUGA sira ang motor ng aircon or the POWER was not sufficient to run the MOTOR… But it has nothing to do with the GAS BLAST except mga sa sinasabi ko na ang GAS ay may also BLOW even without a leak if the TEMPERATURE was too HIGH….sobrang init at COMPACT sya , a possible COMBUSTION and EXPLOSIOn might occur….and…..a short circuit in an electrical wiring might ignite an increase/unbalance motion of the GAS to EXPLODE…..FREON ay pinapalamig nya ang tubig o kaya ang hangin….. Ang leaked FREON MALAMIG iyan SIR.
Victin Luz says
In other places abroad sometimes the COST of a CENTRALIZED AIRCON-UNIT is 50% of the COST of the BLDG [email protected]….kasi …what you are paying here is the COMFORT given to your Custumers especially in HOTELs ,,,lalo na LOBBY nila wala sigurong milyonaryong GUESS na nagpapahid ng PAWIS habang naga CHECK IN sa counter…he he…. Usually sa mga ganitong unit it can last up to 25years without changing your MOTOR/CHILLERS. Unlike sa window type 7years is long enough not to change the whole UNIT…. at it needed to be maintained regularly..
POWER consumption ng centralized ay sobrang TIPID kasi , pag labas mo ng kwarto , automatic shut down ang power mo …and the COOLNESS can be STORED while it is not yet needed in a particular area of an Hotel example and if there will be BROWN OUTs , advantage ka dahil may restored FREON and AIR to be distributed to the needy areas…
Victin Luz says
GUEST not GUESS he he sorry
Joe America says
To my point in 11 below, I see that another 12 Filipinos have been killed in a vehicle accident on remote mountain roads. Add this to the 15 killed in Biliran a few months ago, mostly children, and we have a trend line that ought to be weighed against the amount of headline space given to a Manila gas explosion. Please don’t let these 12 disappear, too, without thorough investigation and consideration of what can be done. The poor ought not be “throw-away” whilst we stand in awe about a rich Manila accident.
http://www.news.com.au/world-news/bus-falls-off-philippine-cliff-12-dead/story-fndir2ev-1226660734157
Victin Luz says
I agree @ka Joe with you,..the media , the press, the journalist ay dapat lahat ay TINITIGNAN NILA even only in CONSTANT MOTION at wag TINITITIGAN LANG after one or two NEWs publication.
Kagaya sa SUNUG na nangyari sa OZONE DISCO before where HUNDREDs died…. MEDIA is also the BANTAY ng BAYAN , wala ba tayong update to all these tragedies?
letlet says
@ Joe @ Victin Luz
The media…….. press, journalists and most important of all the government, national and local, should make a thorough investigations on accidents and incidents that befall the rich and the poor alike to prevent the occurrences ( of these accidents) time and again, thus saving more lives. Indeed, it looks as if the government is may tiningnan lang at may tinititigan, which it gives an impression that the national and local officials are more concerned on the plight of the rich but not the poor people’s predicament and dilemma. We are calling on you people of the government to be fair and equal in the treatment of the rich and the poor. As one said “give a damn to the poor, so they give a damn to you ( especially during election)”.
Joe America says
Agree for sure.
moonie says
the poor has different needs. the families of the two poor victims of two serendra explosion that died are not filing charges against ayala land inc. probably because they can’t afford lawyers and cannot meet financial burden of court case. someone ought to tell them that there are government lawyers that work for the public free of charge. they may have to pay for their own incidentals though, like fare and accommodation, baon at pagkain while the case is ongoing. if they take days off work, how will their families survive? who’ll feed them? sometimes, helping the poor, means going all the way, maybe helping them financially too. and if they lost the case, lawyers are free, but they might be oblidged to pay the defendant and the cost involved. how will the meet this? sell the only nipa hut they owned and be homeless?
moonie says
my classmates in sociology lamented that justice is a myth. you’ll get it, if you can afford it. it may even swing against you.
raissa says
You are right, Joe.
letlet says
I noticed chemical engineer, mechanical engineer and structural engineer are mentioned in some of the posts, but no mention of the gas engineer. Do we have gas engineers in the Philippines?
In Great Britain (UK), the best route to becoming a successful and qualified Gas Engineer is to take one of the Plumbing Academy’s Gas Course, known as Gas Engineer Course. From completing this gas course, you will move on to become Gas Safe Registered. Gas Safe Register is the official body for gas safety in UK. Successful completion of the course will lead to you becoming a fully qualified Domestic Gas Engineer.
Below are some of the qualifications you will receive upon successfully completing the course:
– NICEIC Certificated, Basic Gas Utilization
– City and Guilds Certificated, 6084 Energy Efficiency
– ACS Certification, Core Gas Safety (CCN 1)
– ACS Certification, Domestic Central Heating And Central Heating Boilers (CEN 1)
– ACS Certification, Water Heaters (WAT 1)
– ACS Certification, Cookers and Hobs (CKR 1)
– ACS Certification, Space Heaters – Fires (HTR 1)
– ACS Certification, Flue Gas Analysers (CPA 1)
– Part P Defined Scope Electrical Qualification
ACS (Accredited Certification Scheme)
Before you can take any ACS assessment, you’ll need to build a portfolio of gas work based evidence under the supervision of a Gas Safe Engineer. Rest assured, our fully qualified gas lecturers will provide you with all the technical knowledge and practical skills you need to become competent Gas Engineer
link: www. trade-jobs.info/gas/g-qualification
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Are those who installed the gas pipeline in the whole condo equipped with these qualifications (from taking the above courses or SIMILAR COURSES). You will notice that the lecturers and mentors from the Plumbing Academy are all fully qualified as Gas Safe Engineers As Condos are rising up like mushrooms in the Philippine’s big cities, the government has to be doubly strict in implementing gas safety regulations to prevent explosions and thus, saving lives. Condo developers and contractors have to hire those with expertise but are those mechanical engineers fully qualified and competent to handle the instalment of gas pipelines? They have to think long and hard before hiring the mechanical engineers or respective engineers to do the job.
In UK, it is the Gas Engineer who assesses, installs, inspects, (for any gas leakage), and repairs gas pipelines (for gas leakage), gas cookers and hobs, heating boilers, water heaters and central heating. He also uses a spray to determine the exact spot of gas leakage in the pipelines. The spray changes its colour in the spot where there is a leakage. I have seen it before.
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Victin Luz says
Chemical Engineers and Chemist we have so as Petroleum Engineers @letlet ,,, pero sa ating bansa wala except it was placed on the burden of a mechanical engineers and Chemical Enguneers…if we are talking about GASES chemical properties ….. At any rate it can also be STUDIED WELL for the MAGNITUDE – F by civil engineers on the subject MECHANIC of FLUIDs or HYDRAULIC ENGINEERING…a major subject for CE students……specific study of GASSES only wala pa dito sa tingin ko.
Victin Luz says
@letlet….. Professions in the Philipppines were being PROSTITUTED and not properly RATIONALIZED…… kahit hindi DOCTOR or SURGEON – nag oopera na kahit kakaunti lang ang natutunan Nya sa MEDICINE .. And even a surgeon-urologist whom I’ve known personally dahil PERA nya at bldng. Nya ang ginagawa , hired a CIVIL ENGINEER and assumed as Project Manager of the Project , monitoring the progress reports at physical accomplishment of the project he he may natutunan Lang syang kaunting construction sa bahay Nya sa USA , acted as an engineer na sya…..ALL OF THESE HAPPENED para… MAGTIPID at pinapayagan naman ng ating mga Government Officials who are obliged to monitor the practice of every profession in our COUNTRY……a carpenter foreman especially in the BARANGAYs ONLY secured the SIGNATURE of an ENGINEER compare or friend sa mga building permits THEN sya na ang gagawa ng project , ilagay nya ang BASED on his experience sa pagtatayo ng bahay doon sa nayon nila , kahit Hindi Nya alam mag compute ng LOADINGs or STRESSES ng DESIGN of an POSTE ( column ) Hala larga sila ng larga,,, pagdating ng malakas na BAGYO,,,lipad si bahay kasama ang yero at trusses ng bahay ,,,, ano ang ginagawa ng gobyerno natin ? Di relief goods were distributed , fundings for the reconstruction of their house are released and SAME PROCEDURE AGAIN for the reconstruction of their dwellings,,,, si FOREMAN kaya na Nya iyan , matagal ng nagawa ng bahay iyan at Hindi na natin kailangan ang engineer na at MAPAPAMAHAL pa ang HALAGA ng bahy mo,,,, ayon pag dating uli ng BAGYO ,,,,lipad lipad na naman ang kaluluwa ng kabahayan nila ….ONLY in the Philippines @letlet…..kahit Hindi electrician KABIT ng KABIT ng electrical wirings kaya tuloy minsan o malimit , NAKURYENTE si tatay , PATAY….no problem dahil may libre namang kabaong si MAYOR at may pangkape pa……Professions must be properly RATIONALIZED in our country and STOP the PROSTITUTION of our careers/endeavors……. LISENSYA dapat ang dapat mayrroon sa mga mangagawa at dapat bayaran ng sapat/katapat na sweldo ang ating professionals …….. Imagine an EXAMINER of BIR a Certified Public Accountant CPA — chief examiner receiving only P 24,000.00 a month…. GROSS….. ANO ANG GAGAWIN NYAN PAG MAYROON PAGKAKATAON NA UMASENSO NG ISANG IGLAP? he he guess @letlet. …only in RP…
letlet says
Only in RP, but the devastating effect on the socio- economic life of the Filipinos from all walks of life is disastrous / catastrophic, as it causes more sufferings to the people instead of alleviation from their dilemma. Why people can’t learn from their mistakes especially in the construction of the house. Pagawa ng pagawa ng bahay at repair, tapos ipad ng lipad ang yero ng kabahayan at bagsak ang kabahayan, at the end of the day, they spend more money sa pagawa sa bahay nila,. di sila nakakatipid. It’s better to hire the right person to do the job and pay the right money, cuz in so doing when the job is done properly, the house can withstand any storm blasting it.
It’s so sad some people have this kind of attitude and thinking as their lives are not going forward but going two or three steps backwards. Kaya walang asenso sa buhay.
Victin Luz says
If it was a GAS LEAKED then DILG ( NBI or POLICE ) must hire an experts say chemical and structural engineers to determine the KE- kinetic energy = FORCE given by the gas blast in proportion to the total AREA of the CONDO UNIT , taking into consideration the chemical properties of the GAS infused to the building trough the pipelines and determine also the physical properties of the pipes including it’s appurtenances like the gate valve , pressure and temperature GAGEs so as the check valves if any……The summation of all the FORCES as said is the total FORCE of the GAS BLAST in kilonewtons and they have to COMPARE this FORCE to the ACTUAL or as BUILT Structural Stress of the walls of the building which can also be computed and had a magnitude of F or FORCE…… Was the design and specifications of the building followed? Was the FORCE on the gas to much for the opposite FORCE of the walls as built , that caused the wall to be detached from the column and tthrown as far as to the opposite side of the road.?
Do they have the BONES to investigate the AYALAs? Or it will all stop after paying the victims families….
Victin Luz says
Total VOLUME not area of the CONDO Unit…in cubic meter..
Alizarin Viridia says
ilang oras, ilang araw bago mapuno
ng gas yun condo unit? Kung isang oras lang
na leak, ganoon bakalakas ang pagsabog? naninigarilyo
ba yung bagong occupant, papano naman
yun sinundang occupant? Sino talaga ang
dapat managot magbayad sa perwisyo ng
buhay, at mga property nasira?
Victin Luz says
Sandal lang itong mapuno and all depends what is the volume of the gas coming from the leak and volume ( area ) of the condo unit to be filled but subtract the outlets if any , because for sure may mga awang ang bintana at pintuan sa condo…Even in a few hours kung sealed na sealed ang CONDO UNIT the PRESSURE of the gas inside was so strong even at REST for a moment but once disturbed like lighting a cigarette , intense heat or strong sounds will set the PRESSURE on MOTION , it will became an UNBALANCE PRESSURE and will EXPLODE and at what MAGNITUDE = F ? better for an expert to compute this than the POLICE I think.
Ancient Mariner says
If the situation surrounding the integrity of the condo building is to be truly determined a firm of reputable structural consulting engineers should be called in to assess both the building design and quality of construction. They will determine how many corners were cut in both the design and the construction phases.
Having seen the pictures of the open spaces where once walls were in place I would be worried ten yeas down the line when the Philippines climate has had a chance to attack the concrete and reinforcement.
Can you imagine being holed up in one of those condo apartments during a typhoon wondering if your living room wall will be sucked out by the wind forces?
Like I said earlier in this topic, with regard to high rise buildings, “if you don’t see it being built, hesitate to live in it.”
Ancient Mariner says
ten years down the line
chijap says
I have a problem with people immediately pointing the issue to Ayala Land without actually reviewing was it due to the recent renovation or an issue of building structure.
We are at the question so lets just focus on that.
Impressive si Fortun to provide a mahinanong offensive strategy but i reserve my question as to what the renovation really is.
I would recommend people to stop insisting coverups (ie “do they have the bones”) when the authorities have been very transparent.
Victin Luz says
@chijap….nobody was pointing to Ayala land, some of us including me only wanted transparency. That gas explosion was so strong to gave our scintilla of mind wondering how sealed was the condo unit if we compared it to a gas tank filled with gas or the Ayala mall basement sealed cubicle that causes also massive explosion before…..DYAN SA condo unit na sumabog ng SERENDRA , may mga butas or outlet kagaya ng awang sa mga pintuan , o kaya do they have an exhaust fan installed at any rooms?
Tama ang ibang CPMERs dito….sa mga bahay kasi , it’s true pag naiwan mong bukas ang kalan at bigla kang nagsindi or any static eneggy like strong sound and vibration causes the place to ignite , burn and EXPLODE………..here in EXPLOSION the FORCE released , will all depend now how heavy the gas inside the room had accumulated ( the PRESSURE inside a tank at rest is much heavier or PRESSURE inside the sealed ROOM at rest is much heavier THAN with an outlet ROOM kahit maliit lang Ito ).
So thorough must be the investigation here. The chemical properties of the GAS, the physical properties of the PIPES and etc. so as the installation of the PIPELINEs and the design and specification of the BLDG…. TRANSPARENCY @chijap,, have they than this? NO,, not even during the Ayala mall explosion…POLICE INVESTIGATION LANG ang GINAGAWA nila….Check mulang and I stand to be corrected if I was wrong…
Victin Luz says
After the POLICE find out that it was a LEAKED , and a certain JUAN DELA CRUZ caused the gas leak, so what next then @chijap? Payment for the victims advance by Ayala Land ,deductible to the Condo unit owner , criminal and civil case will be filed also against the condo unit owner ? Journalist will stay at REST like the Ayala Mall explosion before……
WE MUST REMEMBER…….The Malampaya GAS pipeline from the well sites ( PALAWAN ) up to the POWER PLANTS in Luzon that produces power or generate electricity but considering all the SAFETY requirements to prevent ACCIDENTS and possibilities on LOSSSES of human life and properties …….
To compare it with the SERENDRAs gas pipeline that also produces energy ( FIRE ) to the burner for cooking, to run the dryers and others , must also be provided the safety requirements needed to prevent the same accidents……..Was there any installed AUTOMATIC check valve that when a LEAK happened it automatically SHUTDOWN the flow of GAS for the entire FLOOR or BLDG.? Mayroon BA? hinahanap ba ng KAPOLISAN Ito.? KAILANGAN BA ITONG check valve na Ito? I think so..
Victin Luz says
Correction DONE not THAN
Ancient Mariner says
It is simple common sense when damage of such magnitude occurs. Nobody is pointing fingers at Ayala Land. I’m sure the other tenants would appreciate a thorough examination of the building and the history of construction.
DannyG says
So, dangerous talagang manirahan sa mga CONDOS ! First, mayroon posibilidad na sumabog ang iyong unit kung defective o may leakage ang naka-install na piped-in LPG sa building. Second, kapag nagka-sunog, dahil sa taas ng iyong kinalalagyan, wala pang sapat na kagamitan ang BFD o kaya’y mga helicopters upang maaabot ito at mailigtas ka. Third, dahil sa latest earthquake alert na ipinalabas ng international expert na ang kamaynilaan ang makakaranas ng mas malubhang destructions kapag dumating na ang inaasahang lindol, malas mo kapag inabutan ka sa loob ng iyong condo. Ang massakit, marami sa mga ito ang nakatayo sa mga recognized faultline. Four, kapag pala may isang terorista o kaya’y may magplano ng kaguluhan, wala palang kasiguruan na hindi ito kagya’t na made-detect. Look sa tagal ng imbestigasyon. Dagdag pa, na nakakatakot at delikado pala ang mapadaan o mapalapit sa areas ng mga Condos, dahil baka ikaw pa ang mapabilang sa mga collateral damages! Mabuti na lang, wala akong kakayahang pinansyal na bumili o kaya’y makaupa man lang kahit sa ilang panahon ng isang unit ng condo ! Pero sige lang, enjoy kayo, kaya lang, INGAT!!!!!
vander anievas says
@DannyG,
kahit saan tayo tumira ay laging may hazard.
mas gusto ko ng tumira sa condo kesa sa bahay na nasa tabi ng ilog o paan ng bundok.
at sa nangyari diyan sa condo, pagsabog pa lang ay halos nabi-visualize na ng mga namamahala ng property ang ilang posibilidad. hindi lilipas ang magdamag ay malalaman na ng mga dapat makaalam kung anong nangyari.
ang imbestigasyon na iyan ay hindi nalalayo sa ibang mga imbestigasyon na maaring magtagal o madaliin base sa mga magiging konsekwensiya. iyan ay matanda ng taktika upang makapag-isip o makiramdam sa reaksyon ng kapaligiran ang mga taong may stake o pakialam sa nangyari o propriyedad.
hindi iyan nakapagtataka. ang politika, showbiz at negosyo ay magkakahalintulad lang ng aspeto.
kung agad na dadakdak ang sino mang ivolved, it might be a make or break him/her/them.
nung impeachment ni corona, bakit may mga personalidad na sobrang tahimik?
baycas says
TWO SERENDRA INVESTIGATION
“Kaligtasan, Katiyakan”
by DILG
http://www.scribd.com/doc/146259394/DILG-Two-Serendra-Presentation-June-7-2013
moonie says
angelito san juan is 63 years old pala, arrived from US on 31 may 2013.no one said whether he was smoker or not, yet quick to say he appeared normal, on what ground they based being normal on, whether his pulse rate was normal, blood pressure within normal range, weight, height,color of his skin, whether pale or well perfused, we dont really know what they mean by normal. pagiisip niya? well, they have not given angelito san juan test for mental acuity, so how do they know he is normal?
to me, san juan appears forgetful. he forgot his dinner date and has to be reminded 2x. being recent arrival, he is probably unfamiliar with the setting in the unit, switching this and that knobs and then forgetting to switch them off. he has burns 72% of his body, that will take him long time to heal considering he is no longer young. if he has engulfed hot air and his airways are burned, longer still to heal.
chijap says
me thinks they meant consistent or straightforward yung mga sagot, nothing suspicious.
then again, you are correct to point out a full interview needs to be made to conclude there is nothing missing in San Juan’s account of the incident.
moonie says
san juan was declared ‘person of interest’ yet they did not immediately take blood sample from him as soon as he was admitted to ICU and checked for presence of alcohol of illegal drugs in his blood stream. they should have immediately established baseline, something to compared subsequent and later findings with of the then and now. he appeared erratic. his blood test would have helped clear him.
they were too defensive too. they smelled nothing daw. hard to believe this. the unit was newly renovated, stuffy and closed and not been aired. the smell of paint and woodwork would still be in the air around, lingering. made you think their noses were terribly ‘pango’ they could not smell a thing.
same thing with ochoa, she smelled nothing daw in the unit. yet she dressed up for dinner date with san juan, maybe had shower before that, and put on expensive perfume. she couldn’t smell her own perfume while in the unit? how about the security guard standing next to her, was she unable to smell him too, has he got bad breath, his armpits? what about his after shave, brut? old spice? tabac? no one smelled anything daw. yes, they must really be all sensory defecit, they could not smell anything, not even themselves.
moonie says
poeple with schizophrenia can also give straightforward answer. some of them are very smart and have bursts of geniuses in them. it’s the upswing and the lowdown that we have to be careful.
Joe America says
The interest in this case is prurient, not in the sexual sense, but in the sense that people go gaga over movie stars or boxing heroes or drive by Hugh Hefner’s mansion to see if any girls are going in or out.
Prurient ( adjective)
1. having, inclined to have, or characterized by lascivious or lustful thoughts, desires, etc.
2. causing lasciviousness or lust.
3. having a restless desire or longing.
It is definition three I am working with here, and its origin is most interesting: Origin: 1630–40; < Latin prūrient- (stem of prūriēns ), present participle of prūrīre to itch
andrew lim says
ha ha ha
All in good humor:
Come on, give us Pinoys a break. UNA was soundly defeated, Enrile and Sotto have resigned from their positions, the investment rating has risen, the economy is moving along, the RH law will survive scrutiny. Roxas has handled this very well, and I am proud that Pinoy scientists have come out authoritatively on this.
Pruritus is an itchy condition, and all that CSI and detective series have stoked the Hardy boy (if you are Charice) or Nancy Drew (if you are Vice Ganda) in all of us.
Better to talk about Serendra than the Barretto sisters. ha ha ha ha
baycas says
@andrew,
Continuing with our mini-thread somewhere below Comment No. 10…
How about dust cloud? The DILG report concluded only LPG.
Renovation.
Dust cloud.
Enclosed space.
Suffocation.
Heat.
ESD.
Boom???
baycas says
Dust cloud explosion requires dust, dispersion, confinement, oxygen, and ignition.
This may explain “no smell of gas”.
Kajames says
@baycas: quite a volume of dust are required to produce the explosion that took place and it would take a lot of time for dust to accumulate. Only fast expanding gas can produce that kind of explosive pressure in a relatively short time.
baycas says
@Kajames,
Thanks. Will post a longer comment soon…
Joe America says
Ah, well okay, then. I understand completely now, and concede that this is a fine topic for discussion. Indeed, I agree, other than China sitting on Philippine rocks like a giant ogre taking a crap, there is not much excitement going on. I’m busy making up stuff on my own blog because the Philippines is not producing enough dirt.
baycas says
It’s a “she said, he said” thing…especially that there are legal and medico-legal implications in the Serendra blast.
Herminia Ochoa said that there was no smell of anything when she was at the door of Unit 501b…
baycas says
Nestor San Agustin does not discount the possibility of a gas leak left undetected or unnoticed by a condo unit owner/occupant…
baycas says
San Agustin said that there were “extensive” renovations (Read the news link above) while unit-owner Marianne Cayton through Fortun said that the “the renovation was not that extensive to affect the unit’s gas pipeline.”
Read more of the unit-owner’s side here:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/nation/metro-manila/06/06/13/serendra-unit-owner-renovation-nothing-do-blast
chijap says
This i agree is inconsistent and might actually lead to why the owner lawyered up so quick.
Not putting any malice or judgement but they may have realized that the recent renovation has something to do with the accident and that they may be liable to the death of the three Abenson staff, and damages.
baycas says
Rule out, rule in.
There was a point when suddenly San Juan was already a “person of interest“. Lawyer-spokesman is the next best thing from personal appearance by the burn victim San Juan and the unit-owner Cayton.
chijap says
POI does not make you a suspect.
moonie says
I think herminia ochoa was playing safe. better not say anything that can be used against her.
chijap says
No one seem to wonder why the unit owner lawyered up so quick.
A couple of items needs to be remembered:
(1) No bomb found.
(2) There was a recent renovation. How recent? Try just finished. Who approved the renovation, the association (not the developer) approved the modification since the unit has been turned over na.
(3) Is Ayala still off the hook? Only if they can explain why a wall has no rebar to hold the wall . Parang deck of cards ang dating.
(4) A news article (will find link) insist it wasn’t a gas explosion since the pipe has a shut off valve, and with a friend of mine and myself looking at picture, and excluding the 80% burn of the occupant, you don’t see any other burn marks in the unit.
My prediction, its going to be a case by the unit owner, the contractor hired by the unit owner, and association either joining forces to blame the developer. Why is that the case? Because if it wasn’t really a structure issue (and original structure), the people culpable would be the unit owner, the contractor, and the association for modifying the unit.
Victin Luz says
Tama ka [email protected]……. Pipes installled must also be check and subject for quality test…..may mga GAGEs. Ang pipes , it could be Gage 60. Gage 40,or Gage 20 …….mas mataas mas mahal ang price nyan.
, but Gage 40 can withstand more PRESSURE than Gage 20….. Depends upon the specifications approved by the Mechanical Engineer during construction…. Dapat masunud Ito…..after the construction such plans , drawing and SPECIFICATIONs are turnover to the owner of the bldg… Which in turn , turned it over to the condominium association for future references and maintenance purposes like what happen now..
I also doubted the quality of the GAS and it’s characteristics that was infused into the pipeline.. Kasi although for sure PRESSURE GAGEs and TEMPERATURE GAGEs with GATE VALVES on the pipe was installed…Baka ang chemical component ng GAS USED ay madaling mag init such that the PIPE holding those gasses nay CREATE COMBUSTION that even without a LEAK but pag nauga well rupture and BLAST.may possibility kaya dapat check na nila lahat ang scenario that could have happen.
Victin Luz says
Leak or no leakage of gas the BLAST came from the gas flowing from the pipeline. ( if no bomb planted )
An important property of any GAS is TEMPERATURE.. A hot object has a high temperature and a cold object has a low temperature. A GAS is composed of large number of MOLECULES that are very small relative to the distance between molecules. Gas has a physical properties of MASS, MOMENTUM and ENERGY. And the momentum of a single molecule is the product of MASS and VELOCITY…. Thus an irregular or unbalance temperature increase of a GAS also increases dramatically it’s GAS PRESSURE to the extent of RUPTURES or EXPLOSION…
Pressure Gage and Temperature Gage needed to monitor the characteristics of the GAS flowing to each units of the CONDO must have been installed somewhere along the ground floor of the building and must have been provided also with a GATE VALVE . But these instrumentation equiptments are not provided all through out the pipeline of the building or for every unit because it is not practical and expensive….
If it was not a leakage then , we must know the alllowable TEMPERATURE of the GAS injected on the building pipeline….. And we must know also the chemical properties of the PIPELINE EMBEDDED on the building… Can it withstand the high temperature of the GAS FLOWING? BUILDING SPECIFICATION s must be studied well to arrived into a definitive conclusion on the INCIDENT / ACCIDENT.
During the said repair was any supports of the pipelines MOVED or distracted that causes a LEAK?
FOR SURE……with a tremendous HEAT the PRESSURE goes high and it EXPLODED..
Victin Luz says
There are so many types of gases …natural and artificial gases, we have oxygen , carbon moxide , hydrogen and etc… Having of different characteristics with one another …. PURE and HINAHALUAN nila ng Kung ano ano GASES ….. PUMUPUTUK na Ito if the gas can no longer CARRY / ACCOMODATE the increase heat of his own body and that of it’s surroundings.
Victin Luz says
PRE-CAST CONCRETE SLABs – are prepared in flat and level ground with a given dimensions say 2.00 meters by 2.00 meters with a thickness of 3 to 4 in chess or more and reinforced with steel bars of diameters defending upon the design of the structural engineers in a particular bldg. Or project…… They are lifted by chain block from floor to floor or by numerous labor force carrying the PRE CAST and connected by WELD them together and finished also with plastering like an ordinary CHB laying in a wall partitions…..
I might be wrong , but I guess kaya a big portion or chunks was thrown out during the explosion at the ground bldg.. Where the three casualties died….was because PRE CAST ang kanilang ginamit sa WALL ng BLDG….
vander anievas says
@v.luz,
almost all of the buildings nowadays, esp. of the largest Phl developers, are rising very fast thanks to the pre-cast walls. and tower cranes already replaced the labor intensive manual process.
bungalow type up to 5-level buildings na lang ang gumagamit ng CHB.accidents do happen. we like it or not, here or there.
this blast if not accidental in nature is due to human error. either by the recent renovation or by the occupant himself(he might he forgotten to close the isolation valve or the stove’s valve itself.
Victin Luz says
Tama ka @ Vander…. It was really human error.. Wala Lang gustong umamin na nakalimutan isara ang valve …. Or it could be the stove ang nakalimutan sarahan at continue to be OPEN talaga…
raissa says
Hi guys,
I’m just taking a short break to do some check-ups in the hospital.
Nothing serious, I think.
I have a very good doctor :)
Mel says
Oh dear, I hope its just a cold.
I hope you’ll be fine. Take Care.
Thank you very much for sharing your work.
letlet says
Please be assured we will be thinking of you.
Wishing you all the best in health. Take care.
Kudos for all your great great works. Many thanks.
pinay710 says
dear raisssa, sanay ay hindi malubha ang iyong kalagayan. ipananalangin kita araw araw
baycas says
Please get well soon.
chijap says
Get well ma’am.
Cha says
Be well. Please :)
moonie says
a very good doctor will give you copies of your check-up/ test results.
sometimes, because we’re stress and anxious, we forgot what doctor say. so it’s always good to have copies of test results.
Ancient Mariner says
Rest big and get well soon.
baycas says
THE RENOVATION OF 501-B
I suspect it’s a gas-powered dryer. Improper installation may cause an explosion.
An open-and-shut case…if that’s the case.
baycas says
THE WASHER AND DRYER
If it is a gas-powered home appliance then it may have something to do with the blast considering that a possible improper installation was made during the unit’s very recent renovation.
The washer/dryer as captured…
http://allfamous.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/twoserendra-10-of-13.jpg
This image by Robin Leonard was captioned:
baycas says
A panned out view of the location where the washer/dryer was hurtled out of the condo unit…
http://allfamous.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/twoserendra-9-of-13.jpg
This image was captioned:
Mel says
The unit’s GAS powered Hot Water service system for a unit is usually found in a laundry room.
That’s if it is not an electric hot water.
Or the gas pipe fittings for the kitchen’s gas stoves and ovens may have been damaged during the renovation or restoration of …
O dili kaya, the kitchen’s gas stove and/or oven were left open or was leaking.
AKA ‘no smell of gas’… ‘ but so hot in the unit?’
With no ventilation (but with a/c), with heavy and clogged clothes dryer (full) running for hours … and gas leaking elsewhere in the unit, could be …?
Check the survivor of his activities before the blast. And his knowledge or experience on using machines for washing and/or clothes dryer. Baka sanay sa kamay o tamba.
Pati duon sa gas stoves or ovens, baka inopen pero hindi ginamitan ng igniter dahil sa walang posporo. kaniya siguro, ang bango ng amoy (amoy usok galing sa tambutso ng jeep) kaya iniwan na lang ganuong nakabukas ang stove or oven.
baka naman mayruong bouts of dementia …
Mel says
The Laundry Room.
An electric powered clothes washer or dryer machines could have ignited the accumulated gas within the unit or laundry room. Perhaps the Timer for either appliance was the source of the ‘spark’ that ignited the blast err explosion.
The gas pipe fittings to heat the unit’s hot water service system could have been damaged (e.g. punctured) during the renovation. Improper seal of joints or twisted pipes (cracked) that leaked the gas to the unit’s gas pipe system.
Hollow Block walls
The iron mesh or steel rods that was supposed to be attached to the floors’ (up and down) solid concrete slabs AND the hollow block made external walls were of poor workmanship or substandard. As a result, the external walls (of hollow blocks) were blown out from their place (footprint) by the gas explosion ignited by some timer (electric clothes dryer’s or washing machine’s timer control).
CHECK THE GAS PIPE FITTINGS OF THE RENOVATED UNIT.
The renovators’ may have ‘short circuited’ or cut corners that compromised the floor’s gas fittings or network.
Thanks @baycas for the news and photo web links.
Mel says
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“… that leaked the gas
tofrom the unit’s gas pipe system.”Mel says
The unit’s GAS powered Hot Water service system for a unit is usually found in a laundry room. That’s if it is not an electric hot water. Or the gas pipe fittings for the kitchen’s gas stoves and ovens may have been damaged during the the renovation or restoration of …
O dili kaya, the kitchen’s gas stove and/or oven were left open or was leaking.
AKA ‘no smell of gas’… ‘ but so hot in the unit?’
With no ventilation (but with a/c), with heavy and clogged clothes dryer (full) running for hours … and gas leaking elsewhere in the unit, could be …?
Check the survivor of his activities before the blast. And his knowledge or experience on using machines for washing and/or clothes dryer. Baka sanay sa kamay o tamba.
Pati duon sa gas stoves or ovens, baka inopen pero hindi ginamitan ng igniter dahil sa walang posporo. kaniya siguro, ang bango ng amoy (amoy usok galing sa tambutso ng jeep) kaya iniwan na lang ganuong nakabukas ang stove or oven.
baka naman mayruong bouts of dementia …
baycas says
Thanks too, @Mel.
Mel says
Submitted another comment, still in limbo – aka ‘Your comment is awaiting moderation.’
Re submitted the comment in limbo cut into paragraphs with corrections, guess what?
BOTH in limbo, LOL!
Cheers!
Mel says
3rd try. cut into two.
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The unit’s GAS powered Hot Water service system for a unit is usually found in a laundry room.
That’s if it is not an electric hot water.
Or the gas pipe fittings for the kitchen’s gas stoves and ovens may have been damaged during the renovation or restoration of …
O dili kaya, the kitchen’s gas stove and/or oven were left open or was leaking.
AKA ‘no smell of gas’… ‘ but so hot in the unit?’
Mel says
II
With no ventilation (but with a/c), with heavy and clogged clothes dryer (full) running for hours … and gas leaking elsewhere in the unit, could be …?
Check the survivor of his activities before the blast. And his knowledge or experience on using machines for washing and/or clothes dryer. Baka sanay sa kamay o tamba.
Pati duon sa gas stoves or ovens, baka inopen pero hindi ginamitan ng igniter dahil sa walang posporo. kaniya siguro, ang bango ng amoy (amoy usok galing sa tambutso ng jeep) kaya iniwan na lang ganuong nakabukas ang stove or oven.
baka naman mayruong bouts of dementia …
Mel says
part II, in limbo (‘Your comment is awaiting moderation.’) Heck, I give up.
baycas says
Paging @raissa…
baycas says
Was it this product?
http://www.exatech.com.ph/index.php/wgd9151.html
Mel says
When I read your above theory on gas powered clothes dryer, I was skeptical since I haven’t come across a clothes dryer machine powered by gas. To use gas (e.g. LPG), it has to be fired on by fire. AND to use it for drying clothes in a box machine, is unheard of.
Electric powered clothes dryer? Pupuwede pa. But gas is a No – No, especially in an enclosed unit (even for a laundry room with no open/close windows).
And then you supplied a web link for a commercially available gas powered clothes dryer, LOL.
This is what I use (or similar), http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/home-appliances/washing-machine/washer-dryer-combo/WD1102XVM/XSA. electric powered machine, two in one.
baycas says
@Mel,
Ours is a bit old-fashioned…similar to this…
http://travelbuglogs.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/wigp5974b.jpg?w=300&h=210
…our batya’t palu-palo withstood the test of time sans the dreaded possibility of an explosion…
Mel says
The old fashion way is physically challenging but good exercise.
The ‘batya’t palu-palo’ regimen’s misfortune are as ‘weapons’ for assault should the wifey runs amok. lol.
—
Atty. Raymond Fortun’s opinions or observations are off the mark.
The unit’s (lot) owners who approved the renovation has liability for damages. Considering if tradesmen who did the renovation are not licensed, nor qualified or detail renovations were not followed to the plans’ blue print or sketch approval. The thing was, they were the last ones who did internal structural changes to floor plans to subdivide.
“He said the wall that was ripped apart by the explosion was untouched and that the only things that were moved in that area were the washer and dryer cabinet. “. Just blast marks but no human graffiti. One room divided into two has a shower curtain as a partition. In My irreverent Opinion.
Hence, the blast or explosion at Unit 501 of Two Serendra was exaggerated as, perhaps, a terrorist work. Which is not I believe.
baycas says
“gas+dryer+explosion”
Google has the news here: http://goo.gl/ui1nZ
Mel says
oh okay.
I checked one of the search results, and found this one – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tru5htb-RUw
baycas says
LOL!
Mel says
This one result comes close to your theory.
“I never smelled gas. I never would have left the house if I would have smelled gas,” Wilson said.” – quoted from http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/akron_canton_news/gas-dryer-causes-house-explosion-on-anderson-avenue-in-akron
Mel says
Was it gas or electric powered machines?
Something for the journos on foot to ask the investigating authorities on their next media conference while sitting.
For confirmation
If it was a gas powered machine (clothes for washing and drying), there would have been obvious smoke or fire in the laundry room or whole unit during ocular inspection by … , no blast or explosion after gas leak. The clothes or combustible materials in or around would have been in the process of being consumed by fire.
Rene-Ipil says
[email protected]
Almost a sure thing that it is not a bomb blast. Just verify if it was a gas fed dryer which was admittedly moved. Of course, moving said appliance needed lengthening or shortening the gas line and pipe fittings.
In my case, I personally installed our washing/rinsing machine as well as the dryer. It involved installation of the water system for the washer and electrical system for both the washer and dryer. I would have hired an expert gas system installer if the dryer were gas fed.
baycas says
The dryer became a projectile and so are the walls containing the extreme room pressure. An example of a gas dryer explosion even had two adults thrown (blown) out of their house onto a rubble in their lawn.
You and @Letlet are right in safe practices.
@Mel challenged the journalists to ask authorities if the dryer is gas-fed or not…
letlet says
It is a must that a qualified and trained Gas Engineer ( has the building contractor got one?) inspect, analyze and determine the exact cause of the explosion. The fact that the tenant of the unit had complained of intense heat and suffocation which meant of hard breathing ( due to lack of oxygen) are signs that there was a gas leaking. These strange feelings should have been reported immediately to the management, which in turn should have called the Gas Engineer. Are the tenants of the Condo fully aware/ oriented/ instructed on how to use their new gas pipeline – turning on / off the ignition of the gas, signs of gas leaking and actions to be taken in case of gas leaking. . On day one of their purchase of the Unit, they should have been briefed on these matters including how to deal with emergency cases like explosion.
Did Ayala / Building Contractor adhere to safety regulations or take shortcuts in order to maximize profits.
However, there are factors that can cause a pipeline accident
– poor maintenance of pipes
– mechanical damages such as dents
– defective pipe products
– damage caused by chemicals
– inadequate safety practices
The Gas engineer should possess/ display all technical knowledge and practical skills in his assessment of the cause of the fire.
baycas says
Digressing…
A dud: JPE resigned as Senate President.
JPE, why only as Senate President when you can always resign as a senator???
Rene-Ipil says
[email protected] Explosion rocks . . .
If Enrile resigned as senator, he would be a fair game for Trillanes and Cayetano. I think that before his term ends in 2016, Enrile will do his best again to make Jackie a senator.
@57.1 of “Enrile retracts “Act of Contrition” . . ., I wrote about the purpose of Enrile in writing his memoirs.
“I believe that the ultimate purpose of Enrile is to preserve his enormous wealth by making his son a senator. To Jackie, he will bequeath all his wealth – hidden or otherwise – and the necessary power to keep them safe. Enrile has been in the corridors of power since Marcos time including that of Cory for a while. After he was fired by Cory, he ensured that the Cory administration would be occupied in defending the government from coups instead of tracking his wealth.
“I think Enrile is grossly mistaken. When Enrile is physically or mentally gone, Jackie cannot stem the tide of the CPM juggernaut. Jackie could not even extricate himself from the Alfie Anido ghost. Daddy of 88 years had to do it to no avail.”
Cha says
Well, he did say before that all he wanted is for us to be happy… not DELIRIOUSLY happy :)
baycas says
:-D
Rene-Ipil says
[email protected]
Si Enrile ay masama ang loob dahil pang-labinlima (15th) si Jackie. Sana man lang pang-labintatlo (13th) para masabi na minalas lang, subalit ang totoo ay isinuka ng mamamayang Pilipino. Wala ng pagasa kahit sa 2016.
Mula pa sa pagkabata hanggang ngayon ay si Jackie ang nagbabayad ng mga utang ni Enrile sa sambayanan. Kaya tama ang kasabihan na “Ang anak ang nagbabayad sa kasalanan ng magulang.” Kapag si Enrile ay nawala na sa mundong ito, si Jackie ay tiyak na may pagkakalagyan, kasama na ang mga kayamanan nila.
baycas says
‘Ika nga ni Senator AT4, “We just heard some rants from a bitter man”.
Kajames says
Sen. Enrile forgot, above all, that senators “work for the people and by-the-people” and not “for chosen few senators”.
Kajames says
Hmmm! … and another honorable (daw) senator will follow Enrile’s ungraceful action dahil pagod na raw!
…ang tagal! now na!
Cha says
The sottocopier. Pati resignation nangongopya.
moonie says
monkey see, monkey do.
Alizarin Viridia says
I see only two POWERFUL either-or as subject or target of blame
for the Two Serendra explosion.
If it is a BOMB, terrorists or government incompetence;
if it is PIPED GAS, it is the AYALAS or their contractors negligence.
Either one of the two either-or; — the public SHALL hear NO MORE of this incident.
Read the papers or watch TV about it now. FORGET IT.
the Incompetence of government is media untouchable,
big business buys its way out,
terrorist doings shames incompetence.
AFTER THE DEATHS WHAT THEN?
silence psst. silence please.
leona says
…this is extracted from the named author’s article dated May 31, 2013, 32 already at FB re Gas pipes/gas lines in NYC and some disaster problems too… –
“Carolyn Weaver
May 31, 2013
NEW YORK — New York City is crisscrossed with underground natural gas pipelines, many decades old, supplying cooking and heating gas to homes and businesses. But safety and environmental concerns about a new gas pipeline being built into Manhattan’s west side have given rise to protest, and calls for New York to move more quickly to sustainable forms of energy.
The high-pressure Spectra Energy pipeline, set to begin operating in late fall, travels under parts of New Jersey, Staten Island, and the Hudson River, and enters Manhattan next to a playground and park. “This is an incredibly high-population area and it’s insane what they’re doing,” said Kathleen Thomas, one of several hundred protesters who rallied in Manhattan recently to call on President Barack Obama to withhold support for all new fossil-fuel pipelines.
Thomas noted that the Spectra pipeline is similar in design and pressure to one that exploded in 2010, destroying a neighborhood in San Bruno, California. Eight people were killed and more than sixty injured in the disaster, which left a crater several stories deep and 122 meters wide. Thomas’s group, United for Action, and other opponents fear that a similar accident, or terrorist attack, could kill hundreds. Among the entities that have filed suit to stop the pipeline is Jersey City, New Jersey, across the Hudson River, where the pipeline travels under schools, hospitals and chemical plants.
Advocates and detractors
New York State and city officials, including New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, say the pipeline poses no threat. “I’m not an expert on this pipeline or pipeline technology, but we have pipelines running under half of America. If they were that dangerous, we’d have a lot of fires,” he said.
Deputy Mayor for Operations Caswell Holloway, a former commissioner of environmental protection, seconded Bloomberg. “We reviewed it for safety. We reviewed it for environmental impacts. It is being built to exceed the highest-rated standards,” he said, adding that the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which has ultimate authority, also approved the project.
But opponents say pipeline accidents happen almost weekly in the U.S., although mostly in unpopulated areas. Claire Donahue, who founded a group called the Sane Energy Project to oppose the Spectra pipeline, said that energy companies themselves pay for environmental impact studies, and that regulations are so lax as to be meaningless. The requirement for this pipeline is that it be inspected only once every seven years, she said.
“There are 88 inspectors for 2.5 million miles of pipelines. The primary way that pipelines are inspected is to walk over the route looking for dead grass. I’m not making that up. We’re in a place, a cement area, the pipe is under a river, it is under a highway, it is under sidewalks. You tell me how they are going to know that it is leaking,” said Donahue.
Health, environmental concerns
Pipeline opponents also are concerned about radon, a radioactive gas that is more concentrated in natural gas extracted from shale formations deep underground. Radon decays in about two weeks’ time, but opponents say it will not have more than a few days to diminish before reaching New York. Spectra Energy maps show the new pipeline carrying gas mainly extracted from the nearby Marcellus Shale formation in Pennsylvania and New York.
Al Appleton, a former New York City commissioner of environmental protection, charged in a recent forum that city and state officials have been negligent in not investigating the issue. “The radon level in that natural gas could be as much as 20 to 60 times higher than the levels to which we’re currently exposed, which means a huge spike in your risk for things like lung cancer,” he said. He noted that most New Yorkers live in apartment buildings constructed for gas-stove cooking only.
An analysis commissioned by Spectra Energy, however, found that the pipeline’s gas will not bring dangerous levels of radon into New Yorkers’ homes or businesses. The study, by biophysicist Lynn R. Anspaugh, said that a study cited by opponents overestimated the amount of radon at both wellheads and after transmission. It also noted that the lead federal regulatory agencies involved, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and the Department of Energy, both concluded there will be no health hazard to users of the natural gas brought by the pipeline. Spectra Energy statements also have said that the pipeline will be operated with multiple safeguards, including robotic checks of the pipeline, and that it poses no danger either of explosion or radon.
The lawsuits brought by opponents will be heard in federal court in the fall, right before the pipeline is set to begin operating. Meanwhile, opposition is building to other new natural gas infrastructure proposed for the New York area, including another high-pressure pipeline into the seaside Rockaway neighborhood, which was badly damaged by Hurricane Sandy. Opponents say that global warming is responsible for storms like Sandy, and that remaining deposits of gas and oil must be left in the ground, in order to stave off even greater climate disasters.”
Maybe government here should start ‘looking into’ gas piping in new buildings constructions like Condos, Townhomes, etc. Laxity [ not b…el ] and apathy could be a coming big problems for gas users in these structures.
BUYERS BE VERY BEWARE!
leona says
…the news link is http://www.voanews.com/content/new-natural-gas-/1673145.html
leona says
…gas explosion at 2 Serenda is not ‘a walk in the park’ for security checkings by constructions engineers and experts. Look up here the disasters re ‘GAS’ explosions NEWS in Mexico City, etc. –
Gas Explosion Kills at Least 20 Near Mexico City – Wall Street Journal
online.wsj.com/…/SB1000142412788732337250457846885342107452…
May 7, 2013 – MEXICO CITY—A Mexican tanker truck loaded with liquefied petroleum gas crashed through a guard rail early Tuesday along a highway just …
1992 Guadalajara explosions – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Guadalajara_explosions
Location, Analco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico … City workers were dispatched to check the sewers and found dangerously high levels of … 10:43: The seventh explosion occurs at the corner of Ghent Street and Silverio Garcia. … across the Guadalajara Metro Area uncover the manholes for any remaining gases to escape.
Gas tanker explosion kills 18 in Mexico City – Americas – World – The …
http://www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas
May 7, 2013 – A petrol tanker has exploded in Mexico City, killing at least 18 people and injuring … Downing Street: We’ll bring forward lobbyists register …
Gas Tanker Truck Explosion Outside Mexico City Kills At Least 20 …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/mexico-city-truck-explosion_n_32…
by Adriana Gomez Licon – in 56 Google+ circles May 7, 2013 – MEXICO CITY — A natural gas tanker truck lost control, hit a center divider and exploded on a highway lined by homes in the Mexico City …
Mexican Politics and Economy: Deadly explosion in Mexico City
http://www.pulsamerica.co.uk/2013/05/13/mexican-politics-and-economy/
May 13, 2013 – Gas tanker explodes in Mexico City; over 5000 homicides registered since Peña Nieto took the presidency; … Ecatepec gas tanker explosion …
1:14 BREAKING NEWS! 20 Dead Gas Tanker Explosion Mexico City!
► 1:14► 1:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kihxY84BDY
May 7, 2013 – Uploaded by OuterDemonDarkness
20 Dead Gas Tanker Explosion Mexico City! …. oil Mexican co. false flag it was..they blame it on a gas …
More videos for mexico city street gas explosion »
Gas tanker truck explodes outside Mexico City, kills 20 | Reuters
uk.reuters.com/…/05/…/uk-mexico-explosion-idUKBRE9460K7201305…
May 7, 2013 – MEXICO CITY (Reuters) – A gas tanker truck exploded on a highway north of Mexico City early on Tuesday, killing at least 20 people and …
UPDATE 2-Gas tanker truck explodes outside Mexico City, kills 20 …
http://www.reuters.com/article/…/mexico-explosion-idUSL2N0DO19K201305…
May 7, 2013 – … from Pena Nieto)MEXICO CITY, May 7 (Reuters) – A gas tanker truck … A gas tanker truck exploded on a highway north of Mexico City early on Tuesday … Wall Street, with Japan’s Nikkei reaching a fresh 5-1/2 year high and …
Guadalajara Gas Explosion Disaster – Disaster Recovery Journal
http://www.drj.com/drworld/content/w2_028.htm
The blasts measured 7.1 and 7.0 on the Richter scale at the University of Mexico in Mexico City some 200 miles away. The blast blew open the streets and …
20 dead in gas tanker explosion near Mexico City – Worldnews.com
article.wn.com/…/20_dead_in_gas_tanker_explosion_near_Mexico_City…
May 7, 2013 – Mexico Gas Tanker Explosion: 19 Dead, 36 Injured In Gas Tanker Explosion. A gas tanker truck exploded on a highway in the Mexico City …
When gas explosions INVESTIGATORS do not come out with correct results of the CAUSE or CAUSES, –
BUYERS, AGAIN – BE VERY GAS BEWARE what YOU ARE BUYING INTO!
leona says
…can one call all these explosions ACCIDENTS? No, sir! For every effect there is a CAUSE!
Crico says
Why go for gas piping when most sometimes forget to close the gas valve of the LPG?
The Philippines is quantifolds Tech behind from the U.S. and ist world countries. Most pinoys do not know the dangers of using pipe gas. Be realistic.
Franze says
If that was a gas explosion, it’s probably lpg. What probably triggered the explosion is the spark from the ignition of the refrigerator in the unit. Negligence. I just wonder why PNoy and Mar bothered to go there. Mehehehe
raissa says
I have the impression that the gas is piped in Serendra.
Franze says
If that’s the case, then that is one serious matter as it will cause huge casualties.
Crico says
Why go for gas piping when it’s not that practiced here in the Philippines? Why imitate ist world countries when the Philippes not yet much aware of the dangers it brings? We are not yet familiar with the technology, etc.
Idiocacy.
chijap says
Its not a matter of imitation but rather obtaining and embrassing the technology.
While LPG in tanks is king in PH, it doesn’t mean building still have to design their delivery system by what is common.
Parang sinabi mo na yung Toyota Prius or Electric cars or even Hybrids are for foreign countries kaya we should not embrace it.
Now i would agree if the building developer, and or the association or building management is qualified to build and handle this. Ibang usapan yun. The same goes with the city inspectors.
vander anievas says
@raissa,
marami ng building maging sa makati ang naka-pipe na ang gas supply.
i happened to do one in a high rise bldg in salcedo st.
its a very safe system. this technology is not new to us pinoys.
Phl have the best welders and fitters doing the trade here and abroad.
EEI was the partner of Brown/Sta Fe that constructed Mina Abdullah Refineries, only next to AG&P which did the mina ahmadi also in Kuwait.
Qatar refineries employed a lot of pinoys thru gencons like Chiyoda, JGC both of Japan, Technip of France, Hyundai of Korea and so on.
naka-pipe or lpg tank man, pareho lang. ang tao ang madalas magka-error. madalas ay sa kapabayaan o nakalimutan. o hindi alam gamitin.
leona says
…me too, wondering re their sudden presence. Safety concern or…?
baycas says
To allay terror fears…instant speculations abound in a blast.
Knowing rumor mills will get into overdrive, the commander-in-chief must take command.
baycas says
Remember that just a few days ago prior to the Serendra blast, this was the news…
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/310580/news/nation/us-uk-australia-travel-warnings-avoid-zambo-other-parts-of-mindanao
chijap says
oh for crying out loud!
all possibilities have been addressed. it wasn’t a bomb. Aquino was an usisero (who i can’t substantiate but also was in the area, and even if he wasn’t at sinadya na pumunta doon – what’s wrong him being there when everybody thought it initially was a bomb), but the important thing is he demanded a thorough investigation.
And a thorough investigation was made, which obviously negate your over imaginative mind.
That being said, baka naman pede magbawas ng pagtitigas ng ulo sa paginsist there is something peculiar to Aquino being there. It would be nice for you to take a seat and realize you went overboard in insisting there is something beyond the obvious.
Baycas, just a piece of advice; don’t make an obvious matter too complicated. not all the time is there something suspicious.
Like i said, can’t Aquino be not more than an usisero, much like you and me?
baycas says
Wow, there you go again, @chijap.
What’s so negative about this when it was a positive move on the commander-in-chief’s part?
Apparently that’s what Mar Roxas had opined in the news item @raissa graciously provided us above. TO ALLAY FEARS and ERASE SPECULATIONS are key phrases and that action was an immediate response from a cabinet member…an alter ego of PNoy!
Excerpt of the March 31 (June 1 in MNL) Calgary News here…
Apparently again, you may have missed the link given by @raissa.
Additionally, I highly suggest for you to look at all angles. I am a “yellow-tard”, as anti-PNoy says, but “I wouldn’t jump from atop a tall building” if PNoy ordered me so.
baycas says
I commented on this “OH, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Post:
It’s in the cloud somewhere…
I’ll patiently wait before I re-post my missing comment…
baycas says
In the meantime, @chijap, please read AP’s Teresa Cerojano’s article linked by @raissa above. It’s in the blog post.
Thanks.
chijap says
My concern remains the same. That it is beyond reason that you implicate an ochoa to Aquino being on site to arose an illogical conspiracy.
Yun lang pre, its a matter of admitting that your line of thinking, especially about ochoa actually is beyond material and in fact clashes with you insisting that it might be to calm security concerns.
Sa akin lang, the first reason Aquino was there is obviously to appease fear, and not to find out if Ochoa is related to his ExSec.
baycas says
@chijap,
Again, I highly suggest you follow the mini-thread when I replied to @leona. It is also recommended to follow the timeline as the two ideas (reasons) will really clash against each other.
Now, the keyword is SIFT. Lump the two reasons with the others then evaluate…
chijap says
baycas,
We’ve been here before (remember your cellphone/nokia suggestion?), that went nowhere and i’ve seen there is a stubbornness on your part to even recant or rewind.
i’ve said my piece. its really up to you to consider winding down on conspiracy theories.
i’ve also said, the focus is the unit, not yung paglalagay malisya sa paguusi ni Aquino.
baycas says
A certain Herminia Ochoa was about to fetch Angelito San Juan for dinner.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/421381/serendra-apartment-visitor-didnt-smell-gas-says-lawyer
Who’s she…as an “Ochoa”? A relative of the Little Pres?
chijap says
grabe naman. the world is small that she might actually be related. (for all we know, you and i might be related).
but i don’t think its material to the issue.
baycas says
PNoy’s instant presence was a mystery especially to his critics.
“Leave no stone unturned” in searching for the answer…
chijap says
Pre naman. What are you trying to lead to? May kinalaman ito kay Aquino?
Following your logic, bakit si Roxas ang nagsasalita when it could be the Chief PNP? May kinalaman rin kay Roxas?
To wind down any conspiracy plight you are trying to blow up, for any person you show this incident, talagang shocking considering the first fear people had was it was a bombing.
I was glad Aquino in his usisero presence made clear to everybody he is aware and wants answers. (Be it related to him or not).
Hinay hinay lang sa conspiracy mushroom sir.
baycas says
Please read my Comment at No. 16.2…
All angles must be considered.
Cha says
Hi baycas,
Someone made a comment in one discussion thread online that President Aquino was attending an event somewhere in Taguig when the blast happened. That should probably explain how quickly he turned up at the sight.
baycas says
Thanks, @Cha.
I read that too in my catch-up readings on this issue. That was a DOST meet…i forgot what time it ended.
Nothing wrong in compiling all reasons and sift from them. I just don’t have the luxury of enumerating them before up till now.
A “Herminia Ochoa” now was a “Dominique Chua” before. So that “Ochoa” angle was not considered.
chijap says
@baycas
This is exactly why i am concern. your insistence that there is an angle.
There is none. So please put a lit to it and focus on the issue at hand.
chijap says
actually Aquino has the habit of showing up to local incidents that can be headlines.
Did we not forget Aquino looked at the bus in the infamous Quirino Grandstand hostage taking incident.
vander anievas says
ito ay wala ni sa alikabok ng 9/11.
simpleng kapabayaan iyan. gas na naiwang nakabukas. may source ng ignition. pwedeng may nagsindi ng sigarilyo o ung gas na sumingaw ay nakaabot sa kabilang kwarto na tyempong may nagluluto. kabooom!!!
macspeed says
LEL=LOW EXPLOSIVE LIMIT, the ratio of air to gas such as ethane or methane will cause an explosion due to heat develop, arc or ighition such as switching a light in the kitchen or sala, the spark produce in the contact points will be enough to ignite the concentration, in Petro chemical plant, above 25% LEL for methane is warning, 50% LEL is critical above this is automatic ignition without s spark….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammability_limit
kaya inspect your gas pipes and flexible gas pipes for possible leaks, wag magtipid, palitan ang mga old gas regulator and hose…when you smell of gas leakage as you enter your house, dont switch on any light, open windows and doors so that gas will dissipate, too much air will reduce gas concentration..
jorge bernas says
@ vander,
Tama ka maaaring may nag switch nang ilaw at KA BOOM dahil mayroon nag accomulate na L.P.G.kaya sumabog nang gayon…at dahil na naman sa kapabayaan at saka yon naramdaman nilang sumisikip ang kanilang paghinga ay dahil wala nang fresh air o kaya oxygen na mahihinga kaya kinakapos sa paghinga at humihingal na sila sa paghabol nang hininga?
vander anievas says
@j. bernas,
tama, ang kakapusan ng paghinga ay bunga ng kulang na oxygen. kahit pa mahina ang leakage, ang hangin ay maitutulak ng presyon ng gas palabas ng unit.
possible na gas gas leak iyon.
ang nakapagtataka ay hindi nila iyon naamoy.
o wala silang pang-amoy.
o kung wala namang amoy, ang gas ay malamang na walang mercaptan.
walang amoy ang methane, ethane, propane at butane gases.
ang lpg ay combination ng propane at butane. ito ay hinahaluan ng mercaptan upang magkaamoy. ang isa pang characteristic ng LPG ay nakaka-attract ito ng langaw dahil sa mercaptan.
hindi ako expert sa explosive, pero base sa na-experience ko sa mga refinery na napagtrabahuhan ko, malinis ang mga debris kapag gas explosion. walang “soot”-maitim na usok na dumidikit sa surface ng container o vessel.
the serendra incident is just an accident. nangyayari ito sa kahit anong establishment, local man o overseas.
sa mga refinery nga na sobra na ang safety at security ay nakararanas pa ng explosion or sunog.
walang dapat ipangamba. wag tayong mag-panic.
e bakit malinis ang pagkakatanggal ng mga walls at bintana? posibleng mga pre-fab materials ang walls. at ang mahinang parte ng anchorage ay sa external wall dahil sa edges na ng structure nakawelding ang wall anchors.
madali namang ma-test kung ang gas system ng building ay pwede pa. at pwede ring ma-repair. dahil may mga isolation valves naman ang bawat unit. bukod pa sa isolation valves bawat floor.
mas delikado pa ang tangke ng LPG kung ikukumpara sa piped lpg.
yung structure ng building ay kaya ring ma-assess ng mga mahuhusay nating structural engineers. pwede rin silang mag-conduct ng forensic inspection/investigation ng naapektuhang structural members ng apektadong units. at pwede ring magsagawa ng retrofitting kung sakali mang may member na nadamaged.
actually, blessing in disguise pa ang pagbigay ng walls at windows. kung hindi iyon bumigay, maaaring ang mga slabs ang bibigay at mas malaki pa ang magiging damage.
ang malungkot dito ay may nasaktan at namatay na tao.
ang aksidente naman ay andyan lang lagi sa tabi-tabi. pag oras na niya ay talagang oras na niya.
Ancient Mariner says
Food for thought. Why did the walls of the apartment blow out so cleanly? Does this nit raise questions as to the integrity of the construction. I would be nervous living in these, what appear to be, prefabricated units.
raissa says
Alan made the same observation.
andrew lim says
That’s why the gas theory is plausible. Pressure built up uniformly inside the unit and blew out the walls cleanly. The corner posts would have been much stronger, for obvious reasons – it bears the load of the unit.
A bomb would have made a messy explosion and the usual characteristics – blast pattern, scorch marks, explosive residues, irregular holes, craters, etc would have been evident.
Of course, one can go crazy speculating that the terrorists were that smart this time, and knew all this and found a way to cause that explosion without using explosives.
chijap says
no rebar. not sure if its an allowable practice with regards to building code sa atin or hindi.
Victin Luz says
May bakal ang walls @ chijap,, only malakas talaga ang pressure and the combustion of the gas was able to tear / detached the wall from the post or girder of the bldg… And threw the wall into parts to the ground .
chijap says
i repeat i see no rebar.
i do not see one bar poking out of the wall slab that squashed the truck.
i do not see one piece of bar poking out of the post to the other corner post.
Victin Luz says
@chijap,… NASA loob iyan ang REBARS Nya….. Maybe you have seen parts of the wall only detached to the whole wall area… precast can not stand alone or itself without REBARS…with the FORCE or PRESSURE exerted by the gas explosion at bumagasak pa sa kalsada galing sa taaas ,, napulbus na sana ang conrete @chijap..
Joe America says
Far be it for me to argue with Mariners of age, or Alan, but to me it seems to suggest the quality of the construction is high BETWEEN units, if not within, in that the blast was contained. Probably traditional steel and concrete. That beam in the corner needs to be inspected carefully. It took a whomping.
Ancient Mariner says
The design and principles of the construction are probably quite sound, however, if you have watched any construction project in the Philippines you would surely have noted the total absence of qualified, diligent Inspectors of Work. The resultant honeycombed concrete, exposed reinforcement and the total lack of vibration to reinforced concrete lends itself to situations such as the one we are discussing.
I am frequently horrified by what is see being covered over by a half inch skin of plaster.
Joe America says
Yes, agree. We found one of those “honeycomb” pockets in our new home, and the rigidity of buildings in an earthquake zone is indeed worrisome. However, it frightens me more to think of civic workers needing to inspect work. A project would take twice as long to get done and it would be twice as expensive, or maybe three if one lives in a corrupt community.
Rene-Ipil says
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What say you, Victin Luz?
Victin Luz says
PRE CAST CONCRETE WALLs —– must be the construction techniques USED on all wall partitions for every UNITs thereat , so if the dimension of a single PRE CAST CONCRETE was say. 2.00 meters by 2.00 meters and the area of the wall to be laid by 6 inchs CHB ( reinforced hollow blocks sana ) was 16 sq. Meters,,,,,ang ginagawa nila ngayon ay pagdidikitin nila ang apat na PRE CAST WALL SLAB sa pamamagitan ng WELDING and finished it with pplastering . Itoy ay mas madaling gawin and more economical on the long run than using 6″ CHB…….therefore during the RUPTURE caused by GAS BLAST,,, halos buong wall partition ay dala nya pababa or it could be on 2 pieces or more….. Pag made of hollow blocks iyan ay sa taas palang noong sumabog ay pira piraso na sana , kung Hindi napulbos dahilan sa lakas ng pagsabog….
Victin Luz says
Since we can consider the explosion in the category of UN-CONTROLLED BLASTING ,, the possibility for the wall partition if constructed by hollow blocks with steel bars inside is still POSSIBLE..
Sa controlled blasting kasi , computed Kung saan babagsak ang mga reinforced concrete slab sa ground floor..expert blasters can compute where to FALL ang mga DEBRIS.
Victin Luz says
Correction pls….. The possibility that the whole wall partition or parts of it might also come down in BIG CHUNKs and of no direction or designated location to fall down. Not like controlled blasting , it can be computed Kung saan babagsak ang DEBRIS.
praetorius says
kita nga yung “pinagdikitan” na points dun sa gilid ng unit
El Bobo de Camino says
Ang labis kong ikinalulungkot ay ang pagkamatay ng 3 taong nakasakay sa delivery van na nagkataong dumadaan sa may condo mismong oras ng pagsabog. Sino ang dapat managot sa aksidenteng ito? Lalo lamang tumibay ang paniniwala ko na kung oras mo na hindi ka makakaligtas saan mang lugar o anong oras ka nandun!
macspeed says
HE HE HE HE THAT IS VERY ACCURATE HUSH, NO ONE CAN EXTEND OR DELAY ONE’S DEATH,
THE APPONITED TIME IS EXACTLY AS IT WAS DECLARED BY ALMIGHTY THE DAY WE ARE JUST A
ZYGOTE-UNION OF SPERM AND EGG HE HE HE HE AMEN
davide says
It just happened that they were in the wrong place in the wrong time. I should say “talagang oras na nila” of all the places that it should happen. Kawawa naman ang mga nasa van.
jorge bernas says
@ El Bobo,
Tama ka, Mas lalong nakakalungkot kong ang 3 namatay ay walang tulong na nakukuha sa kumpanyang kanilang pinagtrabahuhan at baka wala pa silang mga SSS na benepisyo at sana ang gobyerno ay nandoon para tumulung sa mga namatay sa aksidente at tingnan kong anong mga karapatan ang hindi naibigay nang kampanya at parusahan ang nagkasala maging sino pa man dahil sa kapabayaan ay marami ang nagiging kawawang maiiwan…
Rigo says
Gas leaked from gas bottles more likely…residents are probably using gas cookers in their own apartment. Centralised gas system in big condo’s are no no in that situation.
Let us hear more from the chief of Police in that area or from the Fire Chief who are the authority on these matters on what really happened.pardon me, but statement from the Local Government Ministry is way out of wack, I reckon.
Joe America says
I am saddened in some way by the publicity this event is being given. The deaths are tragic, for sure. But where is the perspective?
I relate it to pride being associated in star power, or in the homes of the rich blowing up. I am saddened because 15 people were killed on my home island of Biliran about a year ago, maybe longer now. Many were children. There were no banner headlines in the press. The DILG Secretary made no visit or pronouncement about getting to the bottom of it. The President paid no visit, or made no promise of a thorough investigation. As far as I know, absolutely nothing came of it, except 15 new graves, many on the small side.
Well, sure, these were poor families, hitching a ride to a funeral, when the brakes of the trucks went out coming down the mountain. That is acceptable I suppose, in some regards.
But I wonder, who weeps for them.. Who clamors breathlessly at the excitement of it all . . .
raissa says
Perhaps it is because of the possible implications of the explosion, should it prove to be not an accident.
Joe America says
Submittal disappeared: here it is again, and you can erase the duplicate if it pops up.
The possible causes of the explosion: (1) mechanical/electrical fault, (2) murder, (3) terrorism. The possible causes of a truck rolling down the mountain: (1) brake failure, (2) an incompetent driver. The implications of all of them, business as usual. The follow-up action . . . nothing.
The independent variables are: (1) place – Manila or Province, (2) fame – million dollar home or hovel, and (3) reason – skulduggery or just another machine broke. The dependent variable is amount of newsprint dedicated to the event. I’d wager that more people are killed in the Philippines from mechanical failure than terrorism. Maybe more people are killed from murder than mechanical failure, but at least government officials try to stop the murders.
Joe America says
Please check spam file for my comment. It disappeared on submission.
leona says
@Joe…that’s the turf of the Espina dynasty…not one of the big shots bothered not only to ‘weep for the victims’ but also to ‘put the incident for excitement’ as should have been done…with cell phones, Tablets, iphones, etc. to ABS-CBS -GMA, CNN atbpa? My grand-folks come from that beautiful Island province.
Joe America says
The incident was in the main newspapers, small articles, no follow-up. I’ve never seen 15 people erased so quietly. I have no idea what the Espinas did or did not do.
andrew lim says
Mr Leonard’s photos in the link Cha gave below are very clear and can be enlarged, enabling readers to get a close up examination of unit 501, where the explosion came from.
Basing it on the following points, I am inclined to theorize it was a gas-related incident, as cooking gas in the Fort Area is piped in from tank farms:
1. There is a marked absence of burn/scorch marks in the unit’s photos.
2. Sec Roxas’ statement that sniffing dogs have found no traces of commonly used chemicals in bomb-making.
3. The unit’s tenant who was leaving it at the time of the explosion was complaining of intense heat and suffocation. This tends to support the theory that gas had filled the unit, making it hot and hard to breathe.
One argument against a terrorist attack is why explode it in a private unit, where there will be few casualties, unless it was carelessness?
Of course, I am theorizing here from a distance, and any evidence not yet uncovered or revealed to the public could render it invalid.
What to do? For me. just avoid that specific area, and continue supporting the economy by patronizing the establishments in the surrounding areas.
But I recall some weeks ago when a gas-related incident caused manhole covers to blow up with fire shooting upwards near High Street, with no casualties.
BGC should do an HSSE (health, safety, security and environment) audit of its gas facilities and issue a statement to the public.
andrew lim says
I also noticed that the two walls of unit 501 visible in Mr Leonard’s photos were blown out rather cleanly, in rectangular fashion. Aside from scorch marks, a bomb blast would have created craters, and caused irregular shaped holes or damage.
This could indicate that pressure had built up in a uniform manner in the unit, exerting it equally on the walls. This supports the gas theory.
Kajames says
LPG gas are smelly and yet the tenant did not mention about smelling gas or something to that effect. If the explosion was caused by gas (LPG), a ball of fire could have accompanied the explosion and excessive fire in the unit could have ensued.
drill down says
the building administrator who went inside the unit also did not report any smell. neither the security guard standing outside the door who accompanied her.
andrew lim says
@Kajames,
Good points, but there are various possible reasons why one cannot detect leaking gas, even if mercaptan has been added:
a. oxidation – rust and air in pipes can make mercaptan oxidize and have no scent
b. new pipes – new pipes, whether plastic or steel, absorb odors
c. gas quality – peak shaving, or addition of propane diluted with air results in odor fade. There could also be gas impurities.
What I’d like to know is if the airconditiong in Serendra is powered by LPG, too. This could have a significant impact on the investigation, as condensed liquids in the pipeline absorb odors.
andrew lim says
A “ball of fire” may not happen all the time, as the explosion may have consumed all the accumulated gas when the walls blew out. I also have this feeling the accumulation of gas happened in between the walls or beneath the floor, not inside the unit.
Kajames says
@Andrew,
Thanks for the infos, I also support the “pressure build-up” theory in 10.1 above. A not-so-well-maintained HVAC system could have contributed to the pressure build-up (here, I assumed the unit 501 is being supplied with centralized A/C system). Even if LPG is removed from the equation, heated air can still produce enough pressure build-up in the condo unit specially, if the exhaust system is partially block, closed or not working. Heat may come from window panes, specifically the ones facing the streets.
baycas says
andrew & kajames,
i believe you’re following the Serendra blast closely.
did the explosion happen when San Juan was about to leave the unit? any chance the opening of the exit door triggered the blast?
or, did he light up a cigarette on his way out?
where are the burns located in the victim’s body? are the burns more distributed at the victim’s back because his back faced the room as he was about to exit the condo?
does Serendra use propane? last month i was able to watch a CSI Miami episode featuring a propane gas explosion in a house.
baycas says
it was a cabana actually in the “Stiff” episode of CSI:Miami…
http://www.csifiles.com/content/2011/10/review-csi-miami-stiff/
baycas says
switching off the light produces a spark.
propane (or any other gas) built up first then when the victim was about to leave…boom!
andrew lim says
@baycas
I wish I knew the answers to all your questions myself. As to the source of ignition, opening a door wouldnt have caused it. More likely is a lighted cigarette, or turning on an electric appliance or even a light switch.
But the reason I am interested in it and know a little about the topic is because I used to work for a company that had a joint venture with the company in charge of building the gas pipelines in Bonifacio. I know for a fact that LPG in the Fort is supplied through metered pipelines built by Bonifacio Gas Corp. That’s for cooking purposes, as well as airconditioning for some buildings.
baycas says
Thanks, @andrew.
So, Serendra is using a mixture of propane and butane ( http://www.bonifaciogas.com/faqs ).
The air conditioning system in the unit probably uses gas absorption heat pumps as well.
baycas says
Oops…
baycas says
@andrew,
Though it was not the actual opening of the door that triggered the explosion, the static electricity (electrostatic discharge or ESD) might have been produced when San Juan touched the doorknob.
ESD may cause a fire or an explosion in a flammable atmosphere such as a room filled with gas vapor or dust clouds.
The “gas dryer” (Comment No. 22) might have been the source of the gas leak.
andrew lim says
Very plausible theories.
Cha says
Photos of the damage here:
http://allfamous.com/social/social-media-explosion-at-two-serendra-exclusive-photos/
leona says
Opt topic…illegal sugar importation from ‘Thailand or Malaysia’…the news says
“MANILA, Philippines—The Bureau of Customs (BOC) seized P5 million worth of illegally imported sugar at the Manila International Container Port (MICP), Customs Commissioner Ruffy Biazon said Friday.
Biazon said members of the BOC Intelligence Group (IG) intercepted three container vans with 1,521 bags of refined sugar after the shipment arrived from Singapore on Feb. 21.
“We will seize all illegal importations, no matter how often we need to do that, until the resources of smugglers are depleted and exhausted,” Biazon said.
“We will also aggressively pursue the filing of cases against all those involved in smuggling,” he added.
Biazon said the smuggled sugar actually came from Thailand and Malaysia but were shipped to the Philippines via Singapore.
He said the shipment’s consignee, Classical Star Commercial, misdeclared the sugar as pistons, gas combustion VLinear cylinders, and aircon machine parts and accessories to avoid securing the required sugar import permit from the Sugar Regulatory Authority.”
Does Bu.Custom have ‘Intelligence Funds” to use and trace to Thailand, etc. the source of the sugar? And who are the ‘owners’ of Classical star Commercial for purposes of pursuing the customs’ filing of a case in court?
Will the Bureau ‘Black list’ CSC (Classical Star) from the Customs business-field for good even provisionally? Will the Bureau check SEC office for the legal status of the company? How soon? 1,521 bags of sugar is a lot of tax revenue unpaid!
Ving C. says
This is just sad news. Heard on TV news that there was a visitor to that unit (501) who got badly burned. The news said the visitor was just leaving the unit when the explosion occurred. He was rushed to St. Luke’s. My condolences to the family of the 3 people inside that Abenson Delivery Truck who died when the blasted concrete wall debris fell on them.
Hiddendragon says
It’s doubly sad and ironic that the three people killed were people who were just passing by in the line of duty. As Cha mentions above, clearance will have to be issued for inspection – let’s hope they don’t find any more victims. I hope this wasn’t intentional sabotage – i recall the explosion at also Ayala-owned Glorietta mall years ago that up to this day is still rife with speculations.
april_thunder says
I hope this doesn’t end up like the investigation of the Glorietta 2 blast. To me, that’s still an unresolved case
leona says
Glorietta 2 and 2 Serendra must have the ‘same man’ gas-engineer who installed that ‘GAS PLAN’ on the buildings? So, in short, this newer incident will land as ‘another unresolved case?’
He or she should’nt be allowed to get away with it this time! Gassed ‘im!
Alizarin Viridia says
unit 501 occupancy by permission starting May 31st-the date of explosion,
a person entering or exiting a door got injured or dead? nobody smelled gas?
who were the last occupants before May 31st and how many days since they
checked out? A week or more of opened piped gas? OMG! there should be
a more factual investigation.
Cha says
My friend who lives in One Serendra posted about this on Facebook last night. He said the explosion occurred at 8:05 pm. He also expressed satisfaction with the actions taken by the PNP in response to the incident as well as their property managers APMC, and the support extended by Ayala Land to their affected neighbors.
At One Serendra itself, their security went on high alert and there were bomb sniffer dogs about.
Another resident from Two Serendra also posted that damage included cars inside the basement parking and two elevators apart from the units adjacent to the affected unit.
A structural engineer was waiting for PNP clearance to inspect the building at the time of his posting.
zamera says
It could be gas tank or piped natural gas (if the condo have this facility) or methane build up explosion. Terrible luck for the passengers of the passing van when it happened.
Mga Pinoy talaga, sobrang usisero! Sige, lapit pa…gusto niyo ata magkabangungot! O mawalan ng gana pag nakaamoy kayo ng barbeque!
raissa says
Let’s hope it’s just piped gas.
leona says
One weak act our PNP cops is learning to CORDON THE SCENE of the incident. Don’t they do this as SOP? Do they have those red, yellow, etc. tapes “POLICE LINE DO NOT ENTER”? Again, saying “no budget?”
Sinolid na lang na puti siguro puede na?
tristanism says
May yellow police tape dun sa picture.
leona says
…then my mistake…good for PNP cops! A street block away from the Serenda bldg? I’m ready for another mistake…
Ivan says
nood nood din ng picture pag may tym…..hheee
nabara ka tuloy…heheh….peace