Vietnam has suddenly joined the Philippines in arbitration court to contest China’s claim over nearly all of South China Sea.
The Philippines has been long wooing Vietnam to do just this.
Perhaps China’s aggressive action this year made Hanoi finally make up its mind to join the international suit against its former colonial master China.
Here is a story that my newspaper South China Morning Post has just published on this unprecedented cooperation between the Philippines and Vietnam. The two countries do not have a history of cooperation. In fact, Manila sided with the United States during the latter’s war against the communist Vietcong who are now in power.
The decision on the arbitration is expected to be handed down next yet.
China rejects Vietnam claims in arbitration submission over South China Sea dispute
Friday, 12 December, 2014, 12:53pm
Zuraidah Ibrahim and Kristine Kwok
Seeking to protect its own claims, Vietnam has lodged a submission to the international arbitration panel studying the Philippines’ case against China over the South China Sea dispute, but the move has been swiftly rejected by China.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei yesterday dismissed the Vietnamese action and described its claims over the Spratleys or Nansha and Paracels – known as Xisha by the Chinese – as “illegal and invalid” and said “China will never accept such a claim”.
The South China Morning Post understands that Vietnam sent a statement to the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) at the Hague last Friday, making three main claims in clear opposition to China’s stand.
First, it stated that it recognised that the court had jurisdiction over the case submitted by the Philippines, in direct contradiction to China’s own recently reiterated position that it had no such authority.
Second, it asked the court to give “due regard” to Vietnam’s legal rights and interests in the Spratleys, Paracels, and in its exclusive economic zone and continental shelf when deciding on the merits of the Philippine case.
Finally, it also rejected the Chinese nine-dash line demarcation – the basis of Chinese claims to ownership of the vast spread of the South China Sea – saying that it was “without legal basis”.
On Chinese maps, the nine-dash line takes in about 80 per cent of the 3.5 million square km of the South China Sea.
The PCA has given China until December 15 to respond to the case, but last week China issued a position paper rejecting the Philippines’ claim.
On the Vietnamese submission, Xinhua reported Chinese spokesman Hong as saying: “China urges Vietnam to earnestly respect our territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and resolve relevant disputes regarding Nansha with China on the basis of respecting historical facts and international law so as to jointly maintain peace and stability on the South China Sea.”
In its position paper issued last weekend, China said it would “neither accept nor participate in the arbitration” as it believed a UN tribunal had no jurisdiction over a territorial dispute between countries.
Sources told the Post that Vietnam lodged the statement to the courts to protect its own interests, in the event that it might decide to take up the case at a future date.
A source said that the statement lodged at the courts “is as much to protect Vietnamese interests vis-à-vis the Philippines as it is directed against China and tilted slightly in the latter direction”.
Carlyle Thayer, an emeritus professor at the Australian Defence Force Academy, in Canberra, who has studied the South China Sea issue, said that Vietnam’s decision to recognise the PCA’s jurisdiction would “inflame” China.
It opened the door for Vietnam to be involved in the hearing by the PCA to explain its interests and thus “it’s a cheap way of getting into the back door without joining the Philippines’ case”.
By challenging the nine-dash line, he said that Vietnam had put itself in alignment with the United States’ State Department, which recently questioned the legality of China’s claims.
To read the rest, please click on this link.
JBL says
RAMBLING will not do any good, it will distort your argument and put you on the defensive and I do not want to discuss this topic any farther, it’s redundant to me, but I do appreciate the invalidation of your statement.
Subject closed.
Victinluz says
Why [email protected]….when you are accusing us Filipinos of INSANITY YEARLY…he he … We are not INSANE but YOU AMERICANs were the one, with my valid reasons isn’t it…. How did I invalidate ? Tell me if I am wrong @JBL…. He he …
JBL says
Breaking News!
FilAms Christmas and New Year’s Eve in South Bay Area, Los Angeles, California
One (1) firecracker exploded (heard) 12 midnight the entire holiday, in a record breaking ass freezing temperature in the thirties. In Los Angeles? Watching the dropping of the ball on TV is cheaper and safer.
Today, 2nd of January is back to the usual, while you HAPPY people down there in Pinas recuperate and mourn your holiday casualties.
It’s all Noli de Castro reported on TV Patrol News (CH. 18) the entire 30 minutes! They said it’s the cost of being happy……………………
“The PINOY WAY!! ” Filipinos got to work this (yearly insanity) out.
Did they say rhe Pope is coming over this month??………………………..Spain’s “running with the bulls” comes to mind. LOL
Victinluz says
It’s not INSANITY @ JBL….it was part of our CUSTOM and TRADITION ever since ..We/or most Filipinos are POOR and hardly eat good meals 3 times a day and one way/one time in overcoming this ,is to celebrate New Year’s Eve thru happiness exploding firecrackers and other’s and eat good food also on this day…. but REMIIND [email protected]…. CRIMES committed in the Philipppines were done because of POOR or hardness in life and Filipinos kill , steal and did other crime’s ” dahilsa kahirapan at kaunting makainna masasarap na KAGAYO NINYO DYAN sa AMERICA…….PERO…PERO.. Hindi sila napatay o puma pattay na KAGAYA NINYONG AMERICANO na walang KADAHILANAN…. Napatay ng mga BATA o mag aaral sa inyong elementary school’s…DAHIL PO MARAMI sa inyong mga AMERICANO ay SIRA ULO .
Mas naawa kami sa inyo dyan… NAKA PORMA o AMERIKANA na kayo pero SIRA ULO pala ang mga Ka US CITIZEN mo [email protected]…. malaki ang problema ninyo DAHIL ,, massarap naman ang mga kinakain ninyo…. pero KINATOK Amy mga Amerikano , nabaril nalang ng BIGLAAN… HE HE ….happy three kings @JBL
JBL says
It’s not INSANITY @ JBL….it was part of our CUSTOM and TRADITION ever since ..We/or most Filipinos are POOR and hardly eat good meals 3 times a day and one way/one time in overcoming this ,is to celebrate New Year’s Eve thru happiness exploding firecrackers
It’s beyond my scope of understanding on how the norm of exploding firecrackers (a Chinese tradition to scare off evil spirits) “overcome” (ease?) the psychological grief of hardly eat good meals 3 times a day 24/364 every New Years Eve.
FYI: Fireworks and firecrackers are banned in Olongapo and Davao city and many are pondering of implementing same laws.
JBL says
Big bucks wasted for the big bang
January 4, 2015 8:44 pm
by TITA C. VALDERAMA
BIG bucks went up in smoke on New Year’s Eve. The morning after, a huge fire, believed to have been ignited by fireworks, engulfed a slum area in Quezon City and destroyed roughly 2,000 houses and killed at least three people.
As of January 3, the Department of Health (DOH) recorded at least 730 firecracker-related injuries in last week’s revelries, involving mostly children and teenagers.
The DoH breakdown of the victims shows 32 percent were children from 5 to 10 years old, and 33 percent adolescents from 11 to 20 years old. Together, the victims aged 5 to 20 years old comprise 65 percent of the total victims.
Victinluz says
Still it was not INSANITY…. Done with a cause ,it might be invalid but not INSANITY…. IN USA , there real INSANE people like your COUNTRYMEN kill school childrens or to whom it may concern individual’s ,within the range of their INSANITY and your UNCLE SAM was FEEDING them well and with all your health care program , still they shoot CHILDRENs without a cause HOW is that? He He , we PITY you more than you PITY us @JBL….
Victinluz says
That’s TRUE, ,,they hardly eat good meals 3x a day but still they keep some MONIES to buy those firecrackers and had exploded it…that’s our tradition and custom,, but we are not [email protected]…. What we can not understand you AMERICANs was those INSANE KILLERs of yours in AMERICA , they shoot people for nothing…….
Here , I will give you some thoughts , WHY USA doesn’t want to harness its own NATURAL RESOURCES , in Texas , in Alaska and other of your STATEs…WHY? ..for century USA get everything we had after Spain..WHY? Why you USA invade IRAQ and why they Fueled the war in IRAN?
It was not Communism, it was for OIL, GOLD for us…. now that the most ARAB world were against you, you blame everything to them , all the terroristic activities…. But you are not looking at your own [email protected]…
Your , INSANITY against CUBA,, he he … tell them to your MARINEs if it was against Communism @JBL
American people are the most INSANE of all not US Filipinos.
JBL says
RAMBLING will not do you any good!
It will make your distorted lame arguments worst, and your feel good atttempt to be on the offensive will not work with me , but, if it satisfies your “fried pinoy pride” to hear me concur with your ramble above, then, let me shout this out loud………….I, JBL is mad as hell at this intrusive hypocrite adoptive country of mine called the United States of America for exposing me to these evil inventions borne out on insanity.
ipod, iPad, iTunes iPhone ,Youtube, Google, Facebook, laptop, microwave oven, vacuum cleaner, washer/dryer machines, light bulbs, flat screenl TV, condom, dialysis machine, toothpaste/brush etcetera, etcetera. ………..oh yes, last but not least JoeAmerica favorites………….. Viagra and Granny Panties. LOL
Do we really want to be masochists?
SPYBITS By Babe G. Romualdez (The Philippine Star) | Updated January 6, 2015 – 12:00am
Now that the holiday party is over, lets all look back and examine what all that revelry has cost the Filipino most especially during New Year’s eve with all the fireworks and indiscriminate gun firing in the air that we can’t seem to do without. Year after year, we hear the same appeals and warnings about the dangers of using fireworks particularly the so-called “illegal” types that are practically as dangerous as IEDs (improvised explosive devices), but we just keep doing it anyway.
The result: Hundreds of injured people including children who face the prospect of spending their lives without arms or legs or an eye gone blind because they were a second too late in throwing away that Pla-pla or Judas Belt or whatever it is they call those deadly crackers – or worse, because they got hit by a stray bullet. The sad part is that most casualties are innocent children who were just watching the revelries or simply asleep inside their homes.
Victinluz says
@JBL….he he …you had posted about Filipinos INSANITY… I said , we are not INSANE even though we saved money for firecrackers ( NEW YEARs REVERY ).. Filipino’s doing that with a cause….. NOW American’s SHHOTING STRANGERs/ SCHOOL – WITHOUT a CAUSE …here I said THEY were INSANE…..
HE HE…… @JBL…. It was not an INVENTION .it is the TRUTH……he he…. Study the meaning of the INSANE @JBL….and use that in a sentence to the AMERICANs not Filipinos….he he
NHerrera says
@Rene-Ipil
I am posting this here, instead of under your Post 81.1.2 to make sure you don’t miss reading my acknowledgment —
I was quick on the draw and acknowledge that my use of the the phrase “flawed methodology” is not correct. My apologies to SWS and to you on this score. One thing I still hold and of which you agree: that not dividing by 1.36 to reflect the totals of those responding with at least one name of 3 is not correct for SWS since they labeled the numbers as percentages (I suppose at the very least, they have redefined the meaning of percentage; hahaha).
In due fairness to SWS, before this last survey of 3 best persons to succeed the President, they have done that 11 times from 2007 to 2009. See Table 2 of
http://www.sws.org.ph/pr20141224.htm
In other words, they have been consistent, as far as consistency goes. The method in other words was not used because they want to favor Binay. But to call their numbers as percentages I still believe, like you, is wrong. I hope the staff of SWS is reading your comment and mine; report their reading to Mahar Mangahas; and the latter respond via an email to Raissa.
THE DAMAGE TO BINAY
I have another comment. If Binay and his camp used the number 37 to crow that Binay’s number has surged from 26 to 37, they will be deluding themselves.
Take this scenario: suppose the March PA survey comes with the same number as the one reported earlier — 26. What is the implication to the general public and the media? The headline–Binay’s number plunged from 37 to 26; when in fact, it stood relatively still (+/-3). To Juan de la Cruz, walang pag-asa na si Binay. To people like us — he is holding on.
Take the other scenario. PA’s new number goes to 20. That will be fatal — 37 to 20 — as viewed by the media and the general public.
So my advise to Binay and his trumpeters: in my dialect, HINAY-HINAY LANG. Or my friend, in his effort at humor, says SLOW-BY-SLOW LANG.
Thanks Rene-Ipil for your well-considered technical response as always.
Good day.
NHerrera says
@Rene-Ipil
REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM
I want to pursue what I started above, with the indulgence of Raissa for the space I am taking.
In logic, mathematics, the legal profession, or in arguments in general one can sometimes use Reductio Ad Absurdum argument to advantage. Here it goes.
Assume that the method SWS used in processing their raw survey numbers is VALID FOR ALL SURVEY CASES.
In the present survey, the raw numbers for Binay, Poe, Roxas, etc, say, were (rounded-off) 370, 210, 190, … totaling 1360. The next step taken is to drop the zero in the rounded-off numbers; and arrive at Binay 37, Poe 21, Roxas 19 … totaling 136 this time. (Mathematically speaking this is equivalent to dividing the raw numbers by 10). That is fine if they are called relative or ranking numbers. But no. SWS tacks on the percent (%) symbol.
Now go to an extreme case where all the 1360 respondents were so in love with Binay, Poe, Roxas that they put all three names. (Improbable perhaps but not impossible.) What will be the result?
Raw numbers: Binay 1360, Poe 1360, Roxas 1360 for a total of 4080. Procedure: divide by 10, or drop the zero in the raw numbers and tack on %. Result: Binay 136%, Poe 136%, Roxas 136%. THAT IS ABSURD. Try dividing by 100, round-off and tack on %. Result: Binay 14%, Poe 14%, Roxas 14%. THAT IS ABSURD.
The correct procedure is to divide the raw numbers by the the 4080 total, multiply by 100 and tack on %. Result: Binay 33.3%, Poe 33.3%, and Grace 33.3% — as it should be. NO ABSURDITY THERE.
Q.E.D. The procedure for arriving at the percentage is not supported by common sense as SWS does it. (Mind you, I am not at all suggesting that the survey design, field work, up to arriving at the raw numbers are faulty. Far from it, I high respect for SWS on that point.)
SUGGESTION: SWS should revise its procedure. If they don’t want to do that, just call those numbers as RELATIVE OR RANKING NUMBERS. Let the consumers do what they want to do with it. But for goodness sakes don’t call them PERCENTAGE NUMBERS.
JBL says
@ (rounded-off) 370, 210, 190, … totaling 1360.
What am I missing here? a noun, verb or an adjective after 1360.
When I dropped out of 2nd grade school, rounding off (adding) numbers is like this:
370
+210
+190
———
770
@ The correct procedure is to divide the raw numbers by the the 4080 total, multiply by 100 and tack on %. Result: Binay 33.3%, Poe 33.3%, and Grace 33.3% — as it should be. NO ABSURDITY THERE.
What happened to the …………………. Binay 37, Poe 21, Roxas 19 ……………….numbers?
Engineer Nhenares please enlighten me ……………….or should I be singing;
Yesterday when I was young,
Arithmetic was done,
the way I understand,
Unlike today the way it’s done,
is just beyond my scope to understand
NHerrera says
JBL
You are right, a lot of missing items. As written, it is as if I was communicating to Rene-Ipil alone, since we went through these items, in previous exchange of posts, as if travelling in the same wavelength; and so I wrote as if in a code, short-cut. Bad idea.
Besides unlike you, who dropped out at 2nd grade, I dropped out earlier at 1st grade. Hahaha.
I will try my first grade arithmetic again. Here goes.
The “3 best to succeed Pnoy” SWS survey gave the resulting numbers:
Binay 37, Poe 21, Roxas 19, Santiago 10, Escudero 9, Estrada 9, Duterte 5, Trillanes 5, Marcos 3, Cayetano 3, Villar 2, Revilla 2, Lacson 2, Legarda 1, Drilon 1, Pangilinan 1, Pacquiao 1, Others (getting<0.5%) 5.
These numbers total 136
These numbers are labeled as percentage numbers — the point I and Rene-Ipil are at odds with SWS. If labeled as ranking or relative numbers, no quarrel; and no need to use precious blog space above.
Since 1360 are the rounded-off numbers of the "respondents" who gave names (1, 2, or 3 names) excluding those who did not give names or refused to participate, although 1800 were approached, SWS processed their raw numbers to arrive at 37, 21, 19, etc.
Unprocessed, these raw numbers, that is numbers of respondents where the name of Binay, appeared may have been 372, Poe 208, Roxas 193, etc. totaling say 1364. These numbers were rounded-off to the nearest 10s to Binay 370, Poe 210, Roxas, etc totaling 1360. (I digress here — since we have a different teacher in the grade school my use of round-off is as I have illustrated above; or to expand further: 372 is rounded to 370 to the nearest 10s; 368 is rounded-off to 370, etc. I mean no offense here JBL, I just want to make sure we are on the same page in the concept of rounding, rounding-off, etc — not necessarily the words; the devil is sometimes in the words, not the concept.)
So the raw numbers after rounding off are:
Binay 370, Poe 210, Roxas 190, Santiago 100, Escudero 90, Estrada 90, Duterte 50, Trillanes 50, Marcos 30, Cayetano 30, Villar 20, Revilla 20, Lacson 20, Legarda 10, Drilon 10, Pangilinan 10, Pacquiao 10, Others (getting<0.5%) 50.
The raw numbers total is 1360.
(Another digression: my algebra teacher taught me that instead of saying etc, as in
370, 210, 190, etc. totalng 1360,
one may write
370, 210, 190, … , totaling 1360, where effectively the dot, dot, dot (…) is equivalent to writing "etc."
Again I hope we are one on the concept, not the words or symbols — different teacher and all that.)
Elaborating on my post, what SWS did was effectively divide all these numbers (370, 210, 190, … , 1360) by 10 and appending or tacking on % on the numbers, thus, getting 37%, 21%, 19%, etc. and lo and behold the total is 136%.
We believe that the right procedure, to use the raw number 370 of Binay, for example, is to calculate as one normally calculates a percentage: (370/1360)x100 or effectively 370/13.6 or to use the reported 37, 37/1.36 all of which gives = 27.2%, correct to the first decimal. On this basis, we have the following numbers as Rene-Ipil and I believe they should have been reported:
Binay 27.2, Poe 15.4, Roxas 14.0, Santiago 7.4, Escudero 6.6, Estrada 6.6, Duterte 3.7, Trillanes 3.7, Marcos 2.2, Cayetano 2.2, Villar 1.5, Revilla 1.5, Lacson 1.5, Legarda 0.7, Drilon 0.7, Pangilinan 0.7, Pacquiao 0.7, Others (getting<0.5%) 3.7. With a total this time of 100% as it should have been. (The numbers I have calculated are correct to the first decimal, which can be rounded-off without the decimal for media and public viewing.)
That takes care of your first query.
On the second query:
In an effort to use the concept of Reductio Ad Absurdum as an argument to show that the procedure followed by SWS in arriving at their final result from the raw numbers is not correct, I used the extreme case (improbable but not impossible) of all 1360 respondents writing all three names Binay, Poe, Roxas. So the raw numbers, in this case, are:
Binay 1360, Poe 1360, Roxas 1360. These total 4080.
The correct percentage numbers, as Rene-Ipil and I would have preferred, is to calculate as follows:
Binay (1360/4080)x100 = 33.3% (correct to first decimal)
Poe (1360/4080)x100 = 33.3% (correct to first decimal)
Roxas (1360/4080)x100 = 33.3% (correct to first decimal)
TOTAL = 100% (rounded)
Thanks for reading (rather perserving) thru my posts above); appreciate it.
I like our new version of "Yesterday When I Was Young." By the way, My wife has had enough one day, when I repeatedly played the song several times using Roy Clark, Dusty Springfield, Andy Williams versions. I understand how you felt when you were young listening to your late uncle sing that song. My wife thinks I am nuts, too.
ADDENDUM: As you know, Reductio Ad Absurdum argument is one where, in the case I discussed, I assume that the procedure used by SWS is true or valid in all cases. I used an extreme case (improbable but not impossible, as it may be) in assuming that in the survey, all 1360 respondents all listed the three name. Then, if SWS procedure is followed, an absurd situation arises. Ergo, or Q,E.D. (Quod Erat Demonstrandum), the ridiculousness of the procedure appears.
JBL says
Prof. Nherrera
LOL! A few explanatory lines would have sufficed.
I may have said a 2nd grade dropout , but, I am not exactly a functional illiterate. LOL
Muchas Gracias and Poppy Holidays to you.
NHerrera says
JBL
You are far, far, far from being @ a functional illiterate. I know that from reading your Posts.
A mitigating circumstance on my side — I have been accused of being “verbose.” Still striving to correct that part of me. Who knows listening to more oldies may correct it. (But wait — I know, the repetitious lines in a song is to blame; hahaha.)
Happy New Year, again, friend.
sup says
NHerrera,just say ”don’t vote Binay ” so everyone understand including me… :-) Salamat Po…Happy new year to all….
jorge bernas says
@ Herrera and JBL,
Sa panahon ngayon at sa mga ipinakitang karuwagan/pag-iwas/epal ni binay sa mga akusasyon na mayroong mga basihan at katotohanan SINO pa kaya ang BOBOTO kay binay ?maliban na lamang kong sila ay mga binayaran at kasabwat nito…
NO TO BINAY
NO TO UNA….
NHerrera says
sup
My ultimate point exactly — DO NOT VOTE BINAY IN 2016.
Or better: LET THE UNFOLDING EVENTS WITH SOME HELP FROM CPM PUT BINAY OUT OF CONTENTION BY MID-2015.
Victinluz says
[email protected] was right @ nherrera….let us not vote for Binay next 2016…. Dishonest and corrupt …that’s all we want nothing else nothing more….don’t give us statistical computation/justification cause a common Tao whether we like it or not if given such number or percentage favoring BINAY – it will conclude Binay was still leading in surveys ..but..but… MADALING HABULIN at MADALI nang lamangan si BINAY…at ..MADALI ng TALUNIN.. tapos…he he happy new year po ….he he
NHerrera says
Victinluz
You are right. Please see my reply to @sup above.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
(By the way, my “verbose” technical comment was in reply to Rene-Ipil’s technical comment. I did use up precious Raissa Blog’s space, didn’t I? I recognize that.)
sup says
NHerrera……………………
” I did use up precious Raissa Blog’s space, didn’t I? I recognize that.)”
How i wish for 2015 that the Binay family and blabber mouthpieces do realize that they are using up our patience by wasting all that government money ( read our money) for early electioneering and return all they did steal in the next year to the rightful owners…us.
After that they should peacefully walk to prison …and stay there….
O, how i wish……..
Balikbayan says
Got disconnected at a remote location.
I guess the majority sentiment is to not distinguish Raissa’s blog from others. (Too bad. E.g., blogs like Paul Krugman’s are not infiltrated with junk.)
Have a good New Year. Wishing you all the Best. Hope Filipinos get the right President in 2016. Goodbye.
Johnny Lin says
You still don’t get it despite your claim of doctorate degree.
Before you participated in this forum, commenters have been posting free style and freewheeling opinions receiving vast freedom of expression, pros or cons, from Raissa. Like everyone, you engaged voluntarily without any commenter forcing you, exhibited snooty attitude, confronted but instead of being remorseful you tried to lecture everyone to follow your lead. Upon rejection, you disparaged by referring to our ideas as junk.
You also volunteered the info that you were once poor before until becoming enormously successful financially in a foreign land after graduating PhD in a top tier unrevealed school? Your so called fortune has gotten way over your head blinding your senses.
Pathetic is not even halfway describing how pitiful you have become! May the New Year revert to where you once belong to reopen your toxic mind to humility.
Not in my authority to say good riddance, albeit seemingly appropriate.
NHerrera says
Johnny Lin
100 percent with you on this one!
I hope that “Goodbye” is final.
NHerrera says
What is it with this fellow — affiliating himself with the Blog of the respected Nobel-prize winning economist Paul Krugman and commenting on Raissa’s Blog at the same time. GOODNESS GRACIOUS.
Joe America says
Hint: If it walks like a crab and types like one, it is usually not a duck.
sup says
I did Google Paul Krugman, he looks like your grandfathers younger brother :-)
Joe America says
ahahahaha, that handsome, eh?
NHerrera says
Nice. Answered my question.
JBL says
Dr. Balikbayan’s original (two sentence) comment.
1. I guess the majority sentiment is to not distinguish Raissa’s blog from others.
2. (Too bad. E.g., blogs like Paul Krugman’s are not infiltrated with junk.)
JBL’s take is: @ 2. Doctor BB “feels bad” on why Paul Krugman’s blogsite is not infiltrated with junk.
My understanding is contrary to Caliph’s based on how his comment is structured and where he placed the parenthetical remark. If it is done the following way,…………..
I guess the majority sentiment is to not distinguish Raissa’s blog from others, (Too bad) for example, blogs like Paul Krugman’s are not infiltrated with junk.
(Clarifying preceding statement, the first by example, the second by restating the idea more clearly or expanding upon it.)
then, I concur with Caliph’s take on Dr. BB associating himself with Ivy leaguer Paul Krugman’s blogsite, unlike Raissa’s, which infiltrated by junk commenters..
Parting words;
George Will is an Oxford University and Princeton graduate where he earned his PhD and served as a trustee.
Krugman and Will is analogous to G.H.Bush and Bill Clinton……….they are all globalist elite assets.
To Balikbayan …………get your Ph.d. ass back here. Be a man!
To Ms.Raissa your are a journalist, you might to share your expertise on my above post.
If it’s not favorable………don’t bother. LOL!!!
JBL says
Oh my, it’s Dyslexia / Alexia in progress on paralysis of my analysis!
JBL says
Goodbye?
Paul Krugman?
I take it you are the George Will conservative type. Stick around, regroup your thoughts.
Do not let that PH.D of yours go to waste, but bear in mind ..the Net has been in existence
for quite sometime, the gunslingers do not operate in the open like they do in the early years.
They lurk in the shadows ready to strike any unknowing braggadocio that comes around
Not that I am saying Johnny Lin is a lurker nor are you a braggadocio altho to him and others
you came on like one.
My two weeks trolling in this site I can conclude that you met a “straight shooter” a darn good
one who can articulate on what he want to say.
Place the sheepskin on top of the onionskin. The devil is in the hubris.
Again, stick around your day will come.
NHerrera says
JBL
Apropos our present thread, my pay back to you on reminding me of your uncle’s and one of my favorites — Yesterday, When I was Young:
“Yesterday, when I was young,
So many happy songs were waiting to be sung,
So many wayward pleasures lay in store for me
And so much pain my dazzled eyes refused to see,
I ran so fast that time and youth at last ran out,
I never stopped to think what life was all about
And every conversation I can now recall concerned itself with me, and nothing else at all.”
Note the last two lines.
caliphman says
George Will is a conservative writer and commentator whose politics and economics would be completely opposite to that of Paul Krugman. Professor Krugman is a Nobel laureate in Economics who teaches at Princeton University, possibly why he would be mentioned in connection with a person associating himself with an Ivy League background. Krugman’s economics and his blog espouses the NeoKeynesian school which believes the government should use fiscal policy (read my lips- deficit spending) to promote economic growth and full employment, which is at heart of Obama and liberal thinking and trillion dollar yearly deficit. In a way, this type of deficit spending is echoed by Binay’s policy as Makati Mayor except hi primary intent was not growth but to enrich himself and endear himself to the bobotantes.
NHerrera says
caliphman
Thanks for that interesting and instructive note about George Will’s political-economics view in contrast with the NeoKeynesian economics view of Paul Krugman, which view is shared and applied by Obama. (Of course, Binay’s economic development views, which although in keeping with Obama’s, is SOILED by his CORRUPTION.)
moonie says
goodbye to you too, balikbayan. as your handle suggests, you’ll be back. maybe wiser next time under a new handle. it’s okay if you come back under the same old handle like some of the commenters here. they also said goodbye, but came back, wiser and better able to relate. prodigal sons they are.
you dont have to compete with johnny lin and anyone here. by now, you’ve realized we discuss things, opinions, refute ideas etc. we’re not so keen in blowing our own horns and as much as possible, we try to be respectful to fellow cewebreties. sure, there are times we lose our cool, and took a breather, then jump right back in. it’s like holding down a job, you have to fit in with others, and sometimes, censor ourselves too. hold our tongue as the saying goes.
so many geniuses lack emotional intelligence and are living under bridges, they cannot fit in society, and nobody wants to be with them. had made themselves pariahs.
good luck.
NHerrera says
moonie
JBL reminded me in a previous post on oldies song, about his late uncle’s and also one of my favorites — Yesterday When I Was Young:
This is the singer, Dusty Springfield’s version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLx8L04L8Dk
The second to the last stanza of the lyrics relates to our present immediate topic —
“The game of love I played with arrogance and pride
And every flame I lit too quickly, quickly died
The friends I made all somehow seemed to slip away
And only now I’m left alone to end the play, yeah”
You may find reading the immediately prior stanza to the lyrics, which I posted to JBL above, interesting, too, for its relevance.
Pinay710 says
Sir NHerrera, i cannot control myself not to sumali sa usapan nyo but because, kasi thiat song is ONE OF MY FAVORITE SONGS.makes me teary eyed thinking those days not so complicated like now.
This song means so many things if we will only himay himayin every words. The meaning of the song sends message to everyone, everyhuman being who got deep concern to fellow human.
NHerrera says
Pinay710
I have JBL to thank for that song he reminded me of. I had that song in my list, but had not played it for sometime until he reminded me of it.
Maganda po talaga ang lyrics nang kanta na yan. Maganda rin yung tune. Tama kayo. Halos lahat ng words, pagka hinimay, ay may masasabi, kaya ang ganda — lalo na pagka pinakingan ng matanda gaya ko.
Salamat po sa kumento nyo.
Pinat710 says
Gaya po NATIN. Ang mga awitin po ay kasama na ng hininga ko araw araw.
moonie says
thanks, nherrera. such a ponderous song. I hope balikbayan will not leave it to the end.
NHerrera says
YES. Loved the song, mainly because of the lyrics. Please see my reply to Pinay710 above.
Victinluz says
We were always selecting our President rightly. The only question was when USA keep on interfering with our affairs… But you see @ balikbayan ,,,,if you are a US citizen , we must remind you to select a good President of your’s in US , not the kind of OBAMA you had selected …Ang pangit pati ang 1st Lady ninyo. He he … I can’t understand why Americans elected OBAMA as their President…..Merry XMas @ Balikbayan….
vander anievas says
hello po victinluz, we missed you here.
it’s been a while and i’m happy you showed up!.
happy new year!
Victinluz says
I lost my I pod in the province @ Vander and it’s only now that my daughter bought another one for me and could not enter Raissa’s blog he he ok na [email protected] Happy New Year Sir to you and to your family
vander anievas says
:)
JBL says
@ Ang pangit pati ang 1st Lady ninyo
Tsk.tsk……………………bad news for Jejo Binay. LOL
Joe America says
Americans elected Obama because the world economy was collapsing and he offered the inspiration to get it back on track. Which he did, and now the economy is humming while the rest of the world is struggling. Plus he almost has the US energy self-sufficient — the Saudi’s are battling that now by keeping the price of oil low in hopes of driving American shale-oil producers out of business. He got American troops out of two wars, he got a horrendous health care system upgraded somewhat (debatable), and he kept pushing for popular programs in the face of well-moneyed elite business/Republican forces. Like immigration reform, which many Filipinos are taking advantage of as we speak.
Gadzooks.What more do you expect of a guy?
Joe America says
I would add, as far as “interfering” goes, the Philippines has the full power to go along with Senator Santiago and not have an alliance with America. It is a Philippine choice, what goes on here, as it was in 1991. Want America out, she will leave. Want China out? She will stay.
Joe America says
This incessant failure to accept accountability for one’s own choices drives me nuts.
Victinluz says
[email protected] …I agree with you but COULD NOT HILARY CLINTON DO what OBAMA DID? I will disagree with you if you say no….happy new year SIR….
Joe America says
My honest answer is “I don’t know”. Obama’s great strength WAS his charisma, and that is largely what saved the world economy. Call it applied hope. Hillary did not and does not have that. Obama’s main problem is the wear and tear of real presidency eroded the power of his charisma and he had to actually run things, which he did in average manner. Not exceptional. Not poorly. But good. I like the guy more than most because I’d have done much the same as him in most things. Liberal bias. Drones not bodies. Out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan. Try to do SOMETHING about stubborn problems like health care and immigration, which are bound to be contentious no matter what is done. His achievements on US energy self-sufficiency are why the rates on Jeepneys are going down.
moonie says
obama can’t be that bad, joe. isn’t he nobel prize winner? plus he was elected twice to office.
Rolly says
I like Obama. I like his health care policy (though much, much more has to be desired). I like the Democrats…they tend to favor less fortunate constituents a bit, in conrtrast with the overly conservative Republicans.
JBL says
My conspiratorial mind says:……..In view of the fact that Saudi Arabian ragheads are owned by the “globalist amerikaners”
of old US of A, it’s more like ” driving a nail on Putinsky Russian ruble out of businessky.”
@ Gadzooks.What more do you expect of a guy?
Reply: Divorce Michelle and marry someone the like of a Beyonce or Mariah!!!!!! Or better Charico Pempengco. LOL
Joe America says
:)
JBL says
I’ll get back to you later on :) and please tell Bong V I said hello…………………I mean R…..
LOL! Hmm…………………..it will be a long wondering sleepless evening for the American Joe tonight. LOL
Joe America says
Bong V . . . whoa, you go way back. He was the first blog-editor to toss me out, followed not too much later by Get Real Post. I wear both evictions with pride. I understand Bong V ran into a bit of trouble with the law but last time I checked, he was still cranking out the statistics and insights but nobody was listening. I visit GRP now and then to check to see if that asylum of nut cases is still babbling to each other. They are.
JBL says
“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
– Henry Kissinger
“The Final Days” by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein
President JFK
Henry Kissinger has been an advisor (officially or unofficially) to every president since Eisenhower, except for John F. Kennedy, who did not want Kissinger near the White House. Kennedy declared that Kissinger’s policies were “insane”.
_January 1, 2015………………… 50 years later………………………….Old Jewhenry is still alive and kicking
Joe America says
Henry Kissinger was a ladies man. Women went crazy for him. Maybe they still, do, I dunno. I find it difficult to knock those kinds of credentials. Maybe JFK was jealous.
pelang says
@JBL; you mean Obama should divorce Michelle because she can’t sing? well, just like Bill Clinton, he married Hillary because he loves to romance with her brains and Michelle has plenty of that for Obama. lol!
JBL says
Barry is a creation of Hollywood who loves to sing and dance and crazy about attractive showbiz plump women.
Tingting wallis Moochelle goes crazy jealous everytime he goes to Hollywood..
Joe America says
Dancing Barry. Is that the same guy who at LA basketball games would send the crowd into a frenzy by dancing in the aisles? You are talking about him? He was very real.
JBL says
@ Michelle has plenty of ?
C:\Documents and Settings\adl\Local Settings\Temp\Word\Michelle’s Wiener.htm
DO YOU SEE……………WHAT I SEE?
JBL says
“It’s OK” to say Obama is gay and “Michelle is transgender” as Joan Rivers enters ‘606’
“You know Michelle is a Transgender. We all know.”
-Joan Rivers
Two months later, Joan Rivers is dead, ………………………………..unexpectedly!
vander anievas says
dr. B,
if you really know what plaza miranda is, you will not say goodbye.
or you will not stick your nose into it.
but i tell you pal, if you are a true blooded Pinoy, stick it here.
erwin says
@ vander anievas and dr. B ( Balikbayan, I presume )
If my memory serves me right, it was at the height of Thief Corona’s impeachment proceedings that the acronym CPM ( i.e. Cyber Plaza Miranda) was coined. Why Plaza Miranda? It was at Plaza Miranda where the LPs had their proclamation rally in that election year. The place was sabotaged where a time bomb was detonated and notable politicians like Jovito Solanga got hurt and almost died. Of course, Mckoy blamed the communists had done it. Why Cyber? Very timely, the usage of internet – cyber in expressing the thoughts and opinions of people who commented in that impeachment proceedings.
I hope that others can give further explanations as to the acroynm CPM….
kalakala says
@ erwin: your memory is still “at good service” po. exchanging opinions, ideas are free to express here but the main point is to unite and cooperate for the betterment of our country.
kalakala says
… “in good service”
erwin says
@ kalakala,
” exchanging opinions, ideas are free to express here but the main point is to unite and cooperate for the betterment of our country.”
It’s true that this blog gives us the opportunity to exchange and express our opinion. Each one here really tries to help another for the betterment of our country by stating and expressing our mind and feelings as well. And it is very evident that Binay should not be elected come 2016 or else our country will be totally devastated economically and morally….di ba?
vander anievas says
yes erwin. correct ka sa CPM.
if i may add, plaza miranda had been a melting pot of various issues/opinions as well as entertainment. during my college days, i lived for 5 years in quiapo, where the plaza is.
it is where people of various interests gathered and exchanged opinions/discussions.
heated arguments frequently arose esp. when the topic is religion.
it is the assembly/starting point of the procession of the black nazarene every Jan.9, the feast day.
imo, its prominence peaked on that day you mentioned, the LP rally..
baycas says
Originally, the comments section was OPM…
raissarobles.com/2012/02/16/does-the-bank-secrecy-law-really-protect-all-of-coronas-dollars/comment-page-2/#comment-17100
baycas says
http://raissarobles.com/2012/02/16/does-the-bank-secrecy-law-really-protect-all-of-coronas-dollars/comment-page-2/#comment-17100
erwin says
@ baycas,
Raissa says:
“I’d like to reach more Filipinos the world over and make “Our Plaza Miranda” truly global :)
I think “Our Plaza Miranda” (OPM) was turned down primarily because many might consider it as Original Pilipino Music so the acronym CPM ( i.e. Cyber Plaza Miranda ) was agreed upon. If my memory serves me right for I am a dual citizen already hehehehehe.
baycas says
Yes, you may be right…
But the blog owner herself coined the phrase “Our Plaza Miranda” which is worth mentioning as historical information.
She even had a tag before: http://raissarobles.com/tag/our-plaza-miranda/
baycas says
Further on the evolution…
http://raissarobles.com/2012/04/02/important-announcement-about-this-week/comment-page-2/#comment-45341
Johnny Lin says
New Year Wish on coming of Pope
That every priest, bishops and cardinals will sell all their expensive cars and SUVs.
There are about 10,000 Clergies and each car is worth at least 1 million pesos.
That is at least 10 billion pesos enough to build housing and relocate the squatters of MetroManila to govt lands in the suburbs.
That way Clergies follow the simple way of life of Pope Francis and express their sincerity that priesthood is service to God. So far Philippine Clergies treat priesthood as another profession to live luxuriously.
Real meaning of Christmas is giving, practicing humility, devoid of hypocrisy. All priests , bishops and cardinals upon riding their expensive cars should be ashamed for being hypocrites.
Truth hurts!
moonie says
for a start, the pope is not likely to see those classy cars when he visits cbcp. the garage will be empty. the bishops will park their expensive cars elsewhere where the pope cannot see them. the bishops expensives watches, their cartiers and piagets, will be hidden under the beds and behind doors too, where the pope cannot see them. hypocrites talaga, ang mga bishops natin.
Victinluz says
Well , let’s see what will those priest do with beautiful cars on their churches . He he,, I agree with you @ Johnny
JBL says
Dr. Alexander Yuving, Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studie
A prominent global security scholar has unmasked China’s “grand strategy” of gaining control of the Asia Pacific Region by “creeping expansion” rather than waging major battles.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/116135/expert-unmasks-china-strategy-of-creeping-expansion/?PageSpeed=noscript
NHerrera says
0n tha article, “Expert unmasks China strategy of ‘creeping expansion’”:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/116135/expert-unmasks-china-strategy-of-creeping-expansion/?PageSpeed=noscript
EXPERT’S CREDENTIALS:
Dr. Alexander L. Vuving, is an associate professor at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies based in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Dr. Vuving studied political science, economics, sociology and electronic engineering at Cornell University, the Johannes Gutenberg University and the Budapest University of Technology. He received his master of arts (summa cum laude) in political science, sociology and economics, and his doctor’s degree (magna cum laude) in political science from the Johannes Gutenberg University in Germany.
THOUGHTFUL AND PERSUASIVE:
The essay by the expert Dr. Vuving seems thoughtful and persuasive to me — in so far as describing China’s strategy manifested among others, by the on-going construction projects in the South China — to be used as staging grounds for further expansion, however creeping or un-creeping it is.
COUNTER-MEASURES
Counter-measures from soft — diplomacy through ASEAN; to something hard — strong alliance of Philippines, Vietnam, India, Japan, US, involving access of Vietnam’s Cam Ranh by Indian military, and Vietnam’s Da Nang by US military, are offered by Dr. Vuving as his proposed counter-measures
MY THOUGHTS
I am learning from articles and essays such as this in so far as describing the situation and assumptions made.
My discomfort usually comes with the proposed counter-measures. For example, the hard counter-measure is something best discussed at high levels of the partners to the counter-measures — with, say, an expert such as Dr. Vuving as resource person or consultant.
To say there is risk of serious conflict may not be an over-statement. The strength and commitment of the partners, I believe, is the key — difficult when each partner weighs his own individual interests against those of the group. A mini-UN kind of discussion?
Meantime the creeping expansion goes on. What a predicament.
An interesting read to me.