By Raïssa Robles
When I watched the coffins of the slain police commandos at the airport today, I felt very, very sad and pained that the Mindanao wars which started close to half a century ago continues to this day.
I also realized by looking at the feeds on the social networking sites Facebook and Twitter that those living outside Mindanao had little grasp of the violent history that has engulfed the island of Mindanao. The shocking sight of 44 dead bodies in neat rows today was probably one of the rare times that people in Manila have witnessed the deadly consequences of the Mindanao wars.
The late dictator Ferdinand Marcos had made sure that he kept the rest of the country ignorant of all these.
I wondered how I could share what I knew (from covering the peace talks since 1986) when the atrocities in Mindanao have never been officially documented.
Just an hour ago, someone on Twitter using the handle @jane_rr called my attention to a link which led to the site of an NGO called the Mindanao People’s Caucus. This is one of the NGOs that has been very active in the peace process between the government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. I have interviewed some of its officials at times.
The link led me to an excerpt from a speech made by the late Senator Ninoy Aquino three months before he was killed in August 1981. In that speech he talked about the “Moro problem”.
Being an ex-newsman, Ninoy was fond of facts and statistics. And I’m glad he was.
He tallied the horrific cost of the Mindanao wars between 1974 to 1981:
- From 10,000 to 11,000 government soldiers killed
- Over 100,000 Filipino Muslims killed
- Over 1.2 million displaced and homeless
But you and I, we never knew that then. Or now.
And it is for this reason that, personally, I want the conflict in Mindanao to end. But in a way that will keep the Republic intact. The killings have gone on long enough.
Please read for yourself what Ninoy Aquino said about the Mindanao problem.
jcc says
Yes, as someone said in this thread… Ninoy’s POV on the muslim problem is passé. Would he preach peace with the MILF if he knew that this group receives funds and training from JI and Al Queda? I seriously doubt it.
bearsy says
What a lesson in history! Gosh, were deprived of a great talent. Thankyou Ninoy!
duquemarino says
There’s a movie, “War Troopers, The war of the future is up in the air,” Very romanticized and full of sophistication (it’s a movie anyway) but bottom line is politics.
An investigation is going on, even a call for an independent commission and I agree to an independent commission to feret out the truth.
Remember the famous statement of Harry Truman, “The buck stops here.”
For now, PNoy’s his social capital has been greatly eroded. He said that he also wanted to see the truth. It’s logical for an independent commission, devoid of political intervention and cover-up
yvonne says
The real victim of the tragedy in Mamasapano, Maguindanao is not the peace process. The real victim is the global fight against terrorism.
As long as terrorists are able to export their brand of Islamic fundametalism through violence and desturction, there will be no peace in Magindanao regardless of any peace agreement, just as there is no peace now in Syria and Iraq.
Ancient Mariner says
Present day Egypt is a very good example in support of your views.
Rene-Ipil says
I disagree. It is not a tragedy but rather a VICTORY against global terrorism. It is not even a Pyrrhic victory. The SAF considers its lose of men worth the accomplishment of its mission to kill Marwan. Indeed,
the death of Marwan makes a better Mindanao, better Philippines and better World.
It is also a victory in the sense that the Mamasapano battle exposed at the least the ineptness of MILF leadership to reign its subordinates. Or worse, the duplicitous character of some MILF units, if not the whole MILF organization, to harbor high value terrorists is affirmed.
Likewise, the Mamasapano incident will help the Filipino people know the real value of the peace agreement with the MILF. Or determine whether the peace agreement is really necessary in establishing a functional Bangsamoro political entity that would eliminate terrorism and ensure development in Mindanao.
Maybe the peace agreement with MILF should be treated merely as an initial step towards peace and prosperity in Mindanao.
vander anievas says
@Rene-Ipil,
well said sir!
yvonne says
@Rene-Ipil
We are looking at it from two different perspectives. I think you are looking at the trees and I’m looking at the forest.
From the viewpoint that HVI#1 has been neutralized, yes it was a small victory in the war against terror in the interim.
But on the longer term, the war on terror has been badly damaged. The next time there will be operations against HVIs, the PNP and/or AFP will be effectively paralyzed by second-guessing. Operations will be conducted based on political expediency, not based on operational and tactical efficiency. The PNP-SAF operation also validated the long-held suspicion that the loyalty of the MILF is stronger towards their islamic comrades, than their loyalty to our country.
These facts will be exploited by terrorists to their fullest value. They now know that we lack the political will (note I used the words “political will”, not “military will”) to pursue our war on terror, as exemplified by the political finger-pointing going on. They also know on which side the MILF is – the MILF’s continuing denial that HVI#1 was being cuddled in their territory is adding insult to injury.
More than ever foreign terrorists will be embolden to export their brand of Islamic fundamentalism to our country, exploiting our lack of political will, and riding on the support from the MILF, BIFF, or their renegade counterparts.
Foreign terrorist groups are already knocking at our doors north of Mindanao (Laguna, Cebu, etc.)The next time around they will be kicking the doors wide open.
Rene-Ipil says
You are right. Mine is tactical. Yours is strategic.
Your perspective must be understood by the people so that the future political leaders will take lessons from the Mamasapano incident. The people must choose the next president and other leaders who could muster the political will to fight the menace of terrorism, illegal drugs, criminalities and corruption.
leona says
A slam dunk! Good.
What happens when or if no clear explanation by the leadership is made on this matter?
My guess, honestly, if the BBlaw is submitted for a vote for approval or rejection soon, it will fail. A loud disapproval – rejected.
That’s a political will of the majority of the people. And back to square-zero.
duquemarino says
@leona, there are many stakeholders in the area that will be covered by the Bangsamoro,. There are Maguindanaoans, Maranaws, Tausugs, Yakans, Badjaos, the Lumads and Christians that need to be consulted. Even the least group in a community is a stakeholder and should be heard and sentiments be considered especially now that there is a question of sincerity on either side.
But still, peace should be given a chance.
moonie says
I’m looking the way rene-ipil is looking. I believe the saf will do better next time. lessons would have been learned from mamasapano. saf will be stronger, more cohesive unit. we learned from our mistakes, not go down with our mistakes and stay down, mopping and moaning and regretful, unable to face the future thinking all is bleak. that’s depression.
sure, we grieve, but not forever. there is acceptance after grieving. we accept what has happened and put that in the past and behind us, not put in front of us to interfer and ruin the future. we will remember mamasapano, but we wont be paralyzed by it. scars healed.
you’re right about initial steps, too, rene. toddlers toddle before they can walk, crawl before that. all takes time. the getting of wisdom takes longer.
moonie says
I dont believe in motivation or political will. if something needs to be done, then do it, just do it. go ahead and do it. dont wait for political will, it may not be there. political will can be illusive, may come tomorrow, next day, next month, maybe never. waste of time mustering political will. either it’s done or not.
yvonne 44 says
I’m glad we can discuss about this in a leve-headed way devoid of political or religious rhetorics
yvonne 44 says
Make that level-headed way.
Ancient Mariner says
The WALI,
According to Secton VIII of the BBL, ‘the Wali’ will be the titular head of state of the Bangsamoro.
What is missing in this section is a clear job discription for “the Wali” and also guidelines to the effect that “the Wali” may be selected from all religious denominations. The title, “theWali”, seems to be a bit exclusive given the origin of the word, “Wali”.
If “the Wali” is to exclusively Muslim then perpaps this should be stated. For the sake of better understanding.
Alan says
I’d also be interested to know the detailed mechanisms for accountability – both upward (towards the national government) and downward (towards the inhabitants of the Bangsamoro)
leona says
I will put this here: At SEC. 9 Article VI BBlaw,
why Bangsamoro gov’t ‘need’ to have Muslim officials in “EACH of the other departments, BUREAUS, OFFICE in the Central Gov’t, including CONFIDENTIAL, HIGHLY TECHNICAL, POLICY-DETERMINING positions? Is such items of positions are OUTSIDE or NOT within the Bangsamoro governance.
The SECTION 9 says it: “It shall be the policy of the Central Government TO APPOINT competent and qualified inhabitants of the Bangsamoro in the followings OFFICES in the Central Government: at least one (1) Cabinet secretary; AT LEAST ONE (1) EACH of the other DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES and BUREAUS, holding executive, primarily confidential, high technical, policy-determining positions; x x x”
Does this policy mean that In OFFICES found in Central Luzon, a Bangsamoro inhabitant will have to be appointed to an OFFICE somewhere in the province ISABELA, or BATANES or CAGAYAN, etc.?
I don’t see the need for such thing at all. That’s how I look and understand this SECTION 9 of Article VI on Intergovernmental Relations provisions.
leona says
On the matter of WALI – Article VIII BBlaw provisions, taking ONLY ceremonial functions, appointed: [1] selected by consensus by BB Parliament; then [2] by the BBmoro Transition Authority (BTA).
Who is afterwards the appointing authority – BBmoro BTA or BB Parliament?
WALI has only ceremonial functions. Like what? (as asked by Ancient [email protected])
Wikipedia tells that a WALI –
‘Walī (Arabic: ولي, plural ʾawliyāʾ أولياء), is an Arabic word meaning “custodian”, “protector”, “helper”, etc.[1] “Wali” is someone who has “Walayah” (authority or guardianship) over somebody else. For example, in fiqh, a father is wali of his children especially for his daughters in marriage.
In Islam, the phrase ولي الله walī allāh can be used to denote one vested with the “authority of God: Only Allah is your Wali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.”
‘Custodian,’ ‘protector,’ ‘helper,’ etc. Or ‘authority or guardianship’ over somebody else. A ‘father’ is wali of his children especialy for his daughters in marriage.
In Islam, the phrase ____wali allah can be used to denote one vested with the ‘authority of God.’
leona says
Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wali
for more about Wali understanding.
Ancient Mariner says
I guess with regard to the BBL they mean Governor?
Ancient Mariner says
I don’t think they are required to be Muslim officials only Bangsamoro government officials. Someone will correct me if I am wrong.
Parekoy says
Aral sa pagkapatay ng ating mga kapatid na SAF at Muslim
Nung pumutok ang balita na maraming napatay sa ‘mis-enkwentro’ ng SAF, MILFat BIFF, ay malinaw ang pananaw ko at hindi ko sila masisisi sa kanilang pagkamatay dahil ginagampanan lang nila ang kani-kanilang trabaho.
SAF:
Ang mga namatay at nagsurvived na pulis na SAF as ginampanan nila ang kanilang trabaho. Isa ako sa mga nagsabi na may patamis o bonus na pera o incentibo dahil mas nagagampanan ng husto ang kanilang trabaho pag sila ay sigurado na kahit sila magbuwis ng buhay ay siguradong may maitatabing pera para sa kinabukasan ng kanilang pamilya. Alam nilana ang misyon nila ay hulihin o ilikida ang dalawang terrorista na matagal ng wanted at may malaking tsansa na makperwisyo sa ating mga kababayan at pati na mga karatig bayan sa Asia.
Nagtagumpay silang mapatay si Marwan ( kahit hinihintay pa ang kumpirmasyon ng DNA test, sabi ng credible source ko eh talagang si Marwan!)! Dahil daw sa putok ng baril yung security ni Marwan eh na-alerto kaya nagkaron ng pagtugis sa SAF. Nagtataka lang ako dahil kung kumpletonsila ng gamit bakit wala silang dalang silencer, eh 500milyon peso ang budget sa operasyon? Isa ito sa mga misteryo na dapat makalkal sa pag-iimbistiga. Anim na oras na bakabakan at paubos na ang mga bala, nagtataka na sila dahil wala pa ring ayuda? Aang iba sugatan at ang iba ay patay na, pero kahit na sila ay nasusukol na at nakikita na nila ang kanilang katapusan ay ginagampanan nila ang kanilang trabaho at makipaglaban hanggang katapusan. Namatay silang bayani pero may dalang hinagpis at hinanakit na sila ay pinabayaan ng kanilang pinagkatiwalaan na mga amo…
MILF at BIFF
Alam nila na si Marwan at Usman ay nasa listahan ng mga terrorista ng FBI. Sa kanilang paningin, mga bayani sila, freedom fighters! Kailangan nila ang expertise ng dalawa at kung ang FBI ay pinaghahanap sila, sa latangan ng mga Muslim sila ay magigiting na sundalo at bayani ng kanilang adhikain! Natural lang na tugisin nila ang mga pumatay sa kanilang kakampi at ipaghiganti ang malaking kawalan ng isang mahusay na mandirigma. Sa pagtugis, marami silang napatay na kalaban, ngunit mga walo sa kanila ay sinamang palad. Ang iba sa kanila ay mga walang edukasyon, lumaki sa giyera at ang alam lang ay pumatay. Ang iba ay brutal at ang tingin sa mga kalaban ay hayup na pwedeng katayin tulad ng mga magulang nila at mga pinsang napatay na parang hayup din. Iba ang kanilang training, walang human-human rights sa kanila, mas brutal mas alam nilang sila ay kakatakutan ng kanilang kalaban. Simple lang ang kanilang misyon sa buhay, magkaron ng sariling territoryo na matagal ng kinamkam simula pa sa mahigit apat na daang taon nakaraan ng mga dayuhan. Kanilang ibubuwis ang kanilang buhay para sa adhikain ng kanilang mga ninuno dahil alam nila na ang gobyerno ay nakiikinig lang sa kanila pag putok ng baril ang kanilang dila!
Gobyerno at amo ng SAF
Isa na namang sa malaking kapalpakan ang pangyayaring ito. Walang tamang plano at implementasyon! Alam nila ang kanilang pagkukulang at ang dugo ng mga nasawing SAF ay nasa kamay nila. Si Napenas umamin ng responsabilidad! Syempre alangan naman na hindi! Nabanggit nya rin na sila Purisima at Aquino ay alam ang operasyon at kahit naman ordinaryong tao eh di maniniwala na si Napenas lang ang nagplano.
Sa aking pananaw ay may mga galamay ang mgaAmerkano sa operasyon na ito, pero mahirap na malaman ang lalim ng kanilang involvement dahil ang ating gobyerno ay tinitingala silang amo.
3 araw walang imik si PNoy tungkol dito, inipon na ang kanyang mga matatalinong tauhan pero noong nag-ulat sa taong bayan lumabas ang kanyang kahinaan. Umiwas syang akuin ang responsabilidad. Isa na namang kapalpakan! Natural naman kasi na kahit na kasalanan ni Purisima eh automatic na akuin nya dahil sya ang boss nito at may basbas ang operasyon! Nasaan si Purisima sa gitna ng mga katanungan ng tao? Ayon, pumunta sa ibang bansa para daw sa meeting ng mga Mason! Isa na namang kapalpakan!
Naka-schedule na ang pagdating ng mga labi ng mga SAF sa Villamor, pero inuna ni PNoy ang pagbukas ng Planta ng kotse? Noong nandun daw si PNoy sa inagurasyun, eh ang na hindi raw mapakali yung mga Hapon dahil nagtataka sila kung bakit nandun si Presidente? Ang Taongbayan ay nagtataka at dismayado? Enter Coloma, palusot na wala daw sa schedule yung pagsalubong sa Villamor! Yung ginago na ang Taongbayan, yung suportanila kay Aquino ay biglang naglaho! Lumalabas na iniwan sa kangkungan ang mga taong ipinadala nila sa kanilang kamatayan, at noong patay na eh trinato pa rin na parang ordinaryong pangyayari lang! Isa na namang kapalpakan!
Netizens at Taongbayan
Karamihan sa atin ay suportado si PNoy! Isa syang nag-bigay pag-asa sa mga reporma ng bayan. Binili natin ang kanyang Tuwid na Daan.
Karamihan ay napapagpasensyan ang kanyang mga kakulangan, sa pagkupkup ng mga KKK na mga kurap at may kapalpakan, sa Luneta debacle, sa Zamboanga Seige, at iba pang kakulangan. Mapang unawa tayo, alam natin ang bigat ng responsabilidad nya at may mga kahinaan sya. Kahit na yung mga kapatid at pamilya nya ay suportading hayagan si Binay, na kinamumuhian ng Taongbayan sa kanyang pagpapayaman at abuso ng kanyang pwesto, eh hinabaan pa ng karamihan ang pisi at umasa na malapit ng ilaglag ni PNoy si Binay.
Isa ako sa maikli ang pisi at naniniwal na kailngan nating ipahayg ang ating karamdaman na mali ang kanyang paglangoy sa dalawang ilog, either kakampi ka ni Binay o kakampi ka ng Taungbayan na binili ang Tuwid na Daan.
Pero nabigyan ng konting espasyo si Binay ng darating na si Pope Francis dahil ayaw ipakitani Aquino ang bangayan sa Senado at iba pang marurusing na mga batang lansangan! Nagkaron ng pag-asa ang mga Katoliko naang Papa ay naiiba at taos pusong nakikiramay sa mga maralita at walang takot na banggitin na kurapsyon ang isa sa mga dahilan ng kahirapan, at may pahabol pang di naman dapat mag-anak naparang kuneho para maging tapat na katoliko! Ng umalis na si Francis, may after effect pang ating compassion sa mga kapatid nating maralita, kaya suportado natin na imbestigahan si Dinky ng kanyang pagtago sa mga pamilya na nakatira sa lansangan! Nagdeny noong una, nagpalusot, at umamin din! Alam niya ang lakas ng impluensya at bagong bagsik ng mga Netizens at bawat palusot ay binibisto! Si Binay Junior ang sunod na isinalang, at nagkumapit, nagpalusot, naghamon, pero tinuligs ng Taongbayan! Ayun lumambot at kinaladkad pa, natuwa ang Taongbayan dahil ipinakita na ang mayabang at makapangyarihan ay lumabas na totoy na binitbit ni Tatang Sgt at Arms! Natuwa tayong saglit pero sumuko si Pimentel at pinakawalan din si Batotoy! Enter Mamasapano!
Nagulantang tayo! Nabigla! At noong lumalabas na na sila ay pinabayaan, tayo ay naghihinagpis at nararamdaman ang sakit na dinaramdam ng kanikanilang pamilya! Sino ba sila, mga mercenaryo ba, bayaran? Mga Pulis patola? Pero iba ang nararamdaman natin, di natin sila nakitang mga kotong cops kundi parang sila ay ating mga kapatid! Bakit iba? Di ba pag sinabing pulis, kotong o di kaya involve sa criminal activities? Bakit iba? Dahil yun ang tawag ng ating kaisipan at puso, hindi sila ordinaryong pulis, may mahalaga silang misyon, ang tugisin ang mga terrorista na nakaambang tayo ay bombahin tulad ng mga nasa middle east, anerica, at europa! Ang gut feel natin ay kakampi natin ang SAF at tayo ay kanilang pinangangalagaan sa pagsugpo ng mga taong ang misyon ay tayo ay patayin o perwisyuhin ang katahimikan at konting kabuhayan!
Compassion! Pakikidamay! Yun ang nararamdam natin! Bakit tayo nakakarelate sa kanila? Dahil sila ay tulad natin! Kumakayod ng patas, umaasa na kahit na papaano yung mga amo natin ay hwag din tayong iiwan gampanan din ang trabaho nila! Pero ankng nangyari, iniwan sila! Parang hindi na bago ito dahil matagal ng panahon na yung mga liders at mga presidente natin ay lagi tayong pinagnanakawan, pinahihirapan, at iniiwan na mas mahirap at kawalang pag-asa! Pero nang makita natin ang mga sabog na ulo at nakakarimarim na mukha ng kamatayan, ay biglang nag-iba ang ating nararamdaman! Bakit? Dahil may mukha na ang resulta ng mga kapalpakan ng ating mga naiupong mga pulitiko at kanilang mga taong pinili para tayo ay paglinkuran!
Mahaba ang ating pasensya, lalo na kay Aquino, dahil alam natin na kumpara sa mga nakaraang pangulo, sya lang ang maraming nasimulang pagbabago! Pero noong ipagpaliban nya ang pagsalubong sa mga taong kanilang isinulong para tugisin ang ating mga kalaban, para tayong sinampal at hindi lang noing buhay pinabayaan, kundi kahit sa kamatayan ay napapag-iwanan! Malaki ang utang na loob natin kay PNoy kahit sabihin natin na talaga naman dapat gawin nya ang kanyang trabaho lalo na sa pagpakulong sa nga kurap, pero iba ito…Taongbayan na matagal na naghihirap at di natin mapigil ang ating nararamdamang pagka dismaya sa asal ng pangulo! Mahal natin sya pero hindi nangangahulugan na hindi natin papansinin ang kanyang kakulangan at kamalian. Dinatin sya ipapagpalit kay Binay, pero di rin naman natin sya papayagan na mag-asal ng di tama at parang walang simpatya sa ating mga nasawing mga kapatid! Tough love kumbaga, dahil reprimand lang ang ating ginawa. Kung iba yan, kung si Binay yan, baka nag-alsa na ang Taongbayan at nag-riot na at daanin sa dahas ang paglabas ng poot at kawalang pag-asa sa gobyerno! Magpasalamat si PNoy dahil tayo ay mahinahon at dinadaan sa salita lamang sa pagtanaw ng kanyang mga nagawang reporma sa kurapsyon! Noy, pinapangaralan ka namin dahil mabuti kang tao at para matuto ka sa iyong mgakamalian at maging mas mabuti pang Pangulo!
Marami tayong katanungan sa palpak na pangyayari, at ngayun natin nakita ang resulta na pag di pala ginampanan ng ating mga opisyales ang kanilang sinumpaang katungkulan, tayo ang unang biktima at nga buhay natin ang nakasalang, samantalang sila ay nasanay ng magpalusot at kawalan ng konsensya at pag-ako ng responsibilidad! Sila at sampu ng kanilang mga pamilya na nagpapayaman sa ating buwis, dugo at pawis, ay kakapalan ng mukha at parang wala silang nagawang pagkukulang!
Hindi nasayang ang buhay ng mga SAF, dahil sa ibinuwis nila, tayo ay nagising, naging mabangis sa pagkutya at ipaalam sa ating gobyerno na iba na ang panahon ngayon.
Dapat pag nagkasala, pag pumalpak, may pananagutan! At yung mga epal at makakapal na mga incompetent at mga kurap sa gobyerno, eh humanda kayo dahil ginising nyo ang bangis ng Taongbayan na matagal ng panahong natutulog! Bakit kailangang magbuwis ng buhay ang mga maralita, mga ordinaryong taong lumalaban ng patas? Bakit di naman natin bigyan ng pagkakataon na ibuwis ang buhay ng mga kurap na pulitiko na matagal ng nagpapahirap sa Taongbayan?
Salamat SAF Heroes! Dahil sa inyo ang karamihan ng Taongbayan ay namulat sa kapabayaan at kapalpakan ng ating gobyerno! Dahil sa inyo, bayan nagka-isa!
Nakikiramay sa mga pamilya ng mga nasawi at sa naghihinagpis na Taongbayan,
Parekoy
Pebrero Uno, 2015
vander anievas says
agree.
mabuhay ka Parekoy!
yan din ang tahimik kong hinagpis.
Parekoy says
Salamat Vander!
Salaam mga kapatid!
Rene-Ipil says
Well said except for some items. One of them is:
“Nagtataka lang ako dahil kung kumpletonsila ng gamit bakit wala silang dalang silencer”
Huwag kang basta maniwala sa Kuwento. Ang totoo ay may silencer ang baril na pumatay kay Marwan at mga bodyguard. Subalit hindi lahat ng kalaban ay namatay sa unang bugso ng atake at may gumanti ng putok. Ngunit may panahon ang SAF na kunan ng picture at isang daliri si Marwan.
Hindi kailanman aaminin ng SAF na binaril nila si Marwan habang tulog ito na walang saplot sa ibaba. Una ay mga pulis ito at hindi sundalo. Ang pulis ay hinog sa criminal procedures. Basic police training pa lang ay luto na ang mga ito sa arrest procedures mula sa mga batikang trial lawyers or public prosecutors.
Kaya naman ako ay nagtataka, nagugulumihanan, nalilito, nalulumbay at nawiwindang kung bakit hindi binasahan ng MIRANDA RIGHTS si Marwan bago tinangkang arestuhin. Hindi ba human rights violation yun? Kaya siguro ang palusot ng SAF ay unang pumutok si Marwan. Yung silencer ay itinago na para walang ebidensya ng human rights violation. Kasi nandyan lang sa tabi-tabi si Etta para umepal. Gusto mo ba may pang-EPAL din si ATTY. JOJO BINAY?
Peace be with you, Parekoy.
Parekoy says
Siguro naman alam mo na ang ibang kriminal ay may ‘shoot to kill’ order. Waved na yung Miranda rights.
Yung kay Bin Laden walang miranda rights yun. I don’t think naiisip pa nila yung sila Etta, mga oposisyon at Binay na umepal, kasi pag pinatay nila napaka wanted na terorista, ang simpatya ng taongbayan ay nasa kanila.
Ang misteryo na dapat nating malaman ay kung bakit sila iniwan sa maisan? Kung sino man ang mga iyon, ang isa sa dapat na parusa ay isiksik sa tumbing nila ang 44 mais na binalatan!
Peace too!
Peaceteng yawa naman sa mga pumalpak!
vander anievas says
@parekoy,
wag nang balatan.
isama na ang puno…lol
moonie says
ang sinabing “may dalang hinagpis at hinanakit na sila ay pinabayaan . . . ” maybe not. they were not civilians to be thinking of hinanakit. they were armed men, high on adrenaline with bodies pumped up for battle. too busy with firepower, hinanakit could not have entered thier minds.
and they prob’ly only have little time for prayer, god if I must die today, in your hands I commend my spirit, forgive me my sins, something like that. bro, see you in the next life, something like that too. comradeship, yes, all for one, one for all; hinanakit, no.
Rene-Ipil says
I know. Mayors Lim and Duterte issued MANY shoot to kill orders if criminals resisted arrest and shoot first like what Marwan allegedly did according to SAF.
I agree absolutely.. As JoeAm who said “been there, done that.”
Rene-Ipil says
The first paragraph is reply to Parekoy. The second is for Moonie.
Johnny Lin says
Nawala yung unang description mong TRAGEDY at comparison nito sa 911. Buti na lang!
Masentimiento, sensitibo, Emotional, Ningas kugon, gaya gaya– sakit ng Pilipino.
He he he!
Parekoy says
Trahedya pa rin yun sa akin. Kumuha ka ng diksyonaryo para naman alam mo ang ibig sabihin ng word na yan.
Ang ikinukumpara ko sa 911 ang compassion ng mga tao sa trahedyang pangyayari, hindi yung pulis na pinasok ang territoryo ng mga hostiles at napatay subalit at mga civilian sa 911. Pakikiramay o compassion ang pinag-uusapan.
It is okay if personally you don’t feel any compassion to the fallen SAF, feeling mo yun saka ikaw yun. Merong mga tao na hindi basta naantig ng masamang pangyayari sa ibang tao. Kaya naiintindihan kita johnny, iba ka kaysa sa karamihan naming Pilipino pagdating sa bagay na yan. This is a just compassion and I don’t think I considervthis an illness, in this case I am proud I feel this way, and so as the rest of us.
Testingin mo ang sarili mo kasi may tendency ka ata sa pagiging sociopath. Or mild case lang naman siguro. You seemed adept in medical issues so you i guess you don’t take it personally.
Alan says
Another FB postfrom Ricky de Ungria, former Chancellor of the University of the Philippines in Mindanao:
“Am just an ordinary citizen living in Mindanao and am no legal mind. But I think that if the reflex of the government is to charge the MILF with murder in the absence of a final report by an investigation committee tasked to look into the tragic incident, then it will only make itself look more stupid than it already is. Mamasapano is no Tondo. It is located in a place that the government itself recognizes as contested territory and for which it has worked a long time to have an agreement to keep the peace with the contending party. To send armed police forces into that area–for whatever pretext–is to risk not only violating that agreement but also the very peace it has tenuously established there so far. To send armed police forces on a mission to a place they know nothing about and where the MILF and BIFF are known to roam freely armed to the teeth, and with no due observance of existing protocols strictly observed in that volatile place to protect them, is to risk an extremely high casualty rate in that mission. Whoever took those risks and sent the police forces there practically sent them to their deaths—practically pulled the triggers in the guns that killed, disfigured, and almost decimated them. Whoever did it brought war to that place that has always known war but was already living in tenuous peace because of the agreement reached recently between the government and the MILF based there. If you are to seek justice for the deaths of the police SAF in Mamasapano, you should look for it there in Manila and not here in Mindanao.”
Nest Reyes says
I’m an ordinary OFW;
Is Mindanao already Splintered with the main Islands of the Philippines.? If so, then MILF and BIFF have the rights to defend their Lair. But, if Mindanao still in the Jurisdiction of the Philippines, then MILF and BIFF are the Splintered groups CODDLING the Terrorist who Terrorizes the World. It is JUST right that One Armed Forces and One Police Forces in One Nation under One Flag that the Police Forces have the rights to Pursuit the Terrorist under the care of MILF and BIFF…
Vhin AB says
The MILF already declared that they didn’t know that the two terrorists were in their territory on vacation. What do you expect?
Yes, we have peace talks. And while talking, those terrorists continue to train MILF and BIFF in making bombs. Of course, wala akong proof. Baka nga nandun lang to visit their wives at mag selfie-selfie. Breach of trust na yun di ba? Hindi mo nga papasukin ang teritoryo dahil sa peace talks pero wag naman sana na mag alaga ng terorista. Give and take yan.
Another question. If they really didn’t know that Marwan and Usman were in their turf, does it mean that MILF leadership has no control of their so-called territory?
vander anievas says
they didn’t know they are harboring 2 terrorists?
ilang panahon nang naroroon ang 2?
ano di nila alam?
imo, nagmamaang-maangan lang ang mga iyon.
in short, iilan lang ang tunay na naghahangad ng totoong pakikipagkaisa para sa kapayapaan.
hindi natin masasabing 100% ang mutuality ng usapin sa pagitan nila at ng ating pamahalaan.
remember: ang armm ni nur at fvr, nasaan na ngayon?
eto pa. asin sa sugat?
si fvr daw, angered sa hindi pagsipot ni pnoy sa pagdating ng 44 nasawi sa villamor?
philstar.com/headlines/2015/01/31/1418687/fvr-fumes-over-noys-no-show-villamor
is fvr helping in polarizing our factionalized polity?
tanong: kung ganyan ang uri ng ating mga past presidents, what do we have in store?
moonie says
it only shows fvr lacked initiatives. got no guts too. as one time president of the republic, fvr could have been innovative and courageous, step forward and met the 44. said, allow me this opportunity to humbly greet our fallen heroes. I’m doing this for the president. fvr could have made headlines then.
instead, fvr preferred to seeth. trapo kasi. not helping, but condemning.
vander anievas says
yes @moonie,
i admired cong. biazon.
ang kahinahunan ay nagpapakita ng malasakit sa bansa.
philstar.com:8080/headlines/2015/02/01/1419079/ex-afp-chief-oppposes-all-out-war-vs-milf
Alan says
How a Filipino Muslim sees it. This is a FB post of Norodin Alonto Lucman
“The Bangsamoro people and the people of Luzon are on a collision course.I hope that no Muslim civilian will be harmed anywhere as a result of this outpouring of emotion against the MILF, thanks to venomous Philippine media, whom they blamed for killing the commandos who, in the first place, intruded into their homes and communities. War is necessarily a test of will among brave men and women in the battlefield. Dying and survival in battle is part of their sworn commitment to defend and protect whoever they are defending and protecting. The only difference is that Philippine soldiers draw salaries and perks from the government. The Mujahideen stand as sentinel of their people and God. Martyrdom is most welcome to them and our people accept that with dignity and quiet remembrance. We live it to God to take care of our martyrs. No ceremonies, no pomp and pageantry. However, sectarian violence has no defined demarcation lines.It could break out in any neighborhood in Visayas and Luzon where Muslims and irate civilians live side by side. This is what anarchists in our society want to happen. And there will be a free for all among political rivals in Manila, taking advantage of the ensuing chaos. Mindanao will rise in revolt against the government because we too are human beings feeling pain and disgruntlement from the morass of decades of uncertainty as citizens of the republic.The people will simply follow the lead of the Mujahideen who are sworn to defend the homeland, and has proven to stand firm in the face of adversities since time immemorial. There is nowhere to go.”
Vhin AB says
“Mindanao will rise in revolt against the government…”
I understand the sentiment but some facts should be established. Why would Mindanao revolt against the govt? Maybe it’s better to articulate that only SMALL part of Mindanao will do that like the provinces under ARMM like what’s happening now.
Per Wikipedia about Mindanao:
“More than 70% of the population of Mindanao adhere to Christianity. Roman Catholicism is the largest single religious affiliation at 60.9 percent of the total household population. Islam comprised 20.44 percent while other religions are as follows: Evangelical (5.34%), Aglipayan (2.16), Iglesia ni Cristo (1.66%), and Seventh Day Adventist (1.65%).”
Population per Wikipedia:
“21,968,174 (Mindanao island group)
25,281,545 (Mindanao Island itself as of 2010)”
If my math is correct,
No. of people in Mindanao 25, 281,545 X 20.44%=
Total No. of Muslims in Mindanao is 5,167,548
Also, Mindanao has a lot of progressive cities like Davao City, Cagayan de Oro City, General Santos City, Bitian City, Iligan City, Tagum City, Valencia City and so on. Will they take part of the revolt? I doubt. It’s not the 70s anymore. Progress is coming but of course, not in ARMM areas.
Alan says
And yet with all of these pluses going for it, Mindanao hasn’t moved forward very much. It illustrates the fact that war doesn’t respect neat map lines. it’s like fire, it spreads everywhere.
Vhin AB says
Luzon and Visayas and the entire country have not moved too. But ARMM is not Mindanao. I just wanted to point that out and Mindanao, i believe, will not revolt as told above.
Alan says
I think if you and I discount the rhetorical flourishes of the post, we understand EXACTLY what he’s talking about.
Vhin AB says
Noted, just being technical when you posted it.
Ancient Mariner says
A visit to our learned friends at EB will indicate the by using the term Mujahideen the author is indicating that they are fighting for their faith not the land of their birth.
There are circa 6 million muslims who live in the Philippines outside of Mindanao. They seem to be pretty cool guys getting on with their lives (and religion) and living in harmony with all those around them. A good example for Mindanao to follow.
By the way, the BBL appears to satisfy the demands of the Mujahideen.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1523091/mujahideen
Alan says
that’s exactly the future I dream of – one where a lot of cool guys (and women) get along with their lives, empowered by education, living in peace, participating in the political process, helping in their own way to build the country’s development and prosperity
meow says
Yes, it would have been feasible back then, but seeing the passage of how many years, it is doubtful if it will ever be as easy as what Ninoy had proposed. I agree though that education of the Moros is important but to withdraw the forces? Please do understand now that there are many Christian Filipinos in Mindanao. Could the MILF be trusted so as not to hurt these Christians? “The Muslims were the only ones who fought for four hundred years thereby staving off what Spaniards wanted to call a complete conquest.” Ninoy must have forgotten the Cordillerans.
Julie says
@ Alan says:
January 30, 2015 at 11:26 pm
We tried that last option first. So many times. Since 1972. Did it work? When you say “justice has to be served” what exactly do you mean by that? And how will you know that justice has been served?
Rather than sideline the BBL, perhaps now is a good opportunity to fine-tune it, for instance, on issues such as women’s rights”
Buti na lang binring-up mo ang issue ng women’s rights, Mr. Alan, in relation to BBL. Well, I’m a girl so i would be worried if by establishing a semi-state with Sharia-like laws in Mindanao, our Muslim brothers would undermine the rights of our Muslim sisters. I don’t want a Saudi Arabia or a Taliban-like government in Mindanao. Call me biased (babae kasi e) but that’s just my opinion :)
leona says
SEC. 10 Article IX Bangsamoro law – Protection of Women and Children. –
“The Bangsamoro Government shall uphold and protect the fundamental rights of women and children including the right of women to engage in lawful employment. Women and children especially orphans of tender age, shall be protected from exploitation, abuse or discrimination. The Bangsamoro Parliament shall enact the necessary laws for the implementation of this section.”
‘Fundamental’ rights under the Constitution? Or ‘fundamental rights’ under the customs and traditions of a Muslim? It does not clearly appear what rights and where in SEC. 10.
Ancient Mariner says
My initial interpretation is that the Bangsamoro government will not be comprised solely of Muslims and that Sharia Law will apply only to Muslims. It appears that the Christian women will live normal lives and Muslim women will have some protection from the Central Govt. Having said this I’m about to read the BBL and await JoeAm’s view of the BBL.
Ancient Mariner says
“read again the BBL”
moonie says
julie, saudi arabia also has shariah law and women there are not allowed to drive cars. they can also be legally married off at age 13, maybe to much older men who already got wives.
honor killings abound. women and girls suspected of bringing dishonor to their families like those seen in public with men who are not relative, risk being stoned and flogged in public.
vander anievas says
also closet princesses cannot do LadLad, lest be hunted and persecuted.
JBL says
Bobblehead Alan Purisima left for consultation with his handlers!
*The PNP chief, suspended for six months in connection with a corruption case, flew to Saipan yesterday ostensibly to attend a meeting of the Masons.
moonie says
he will be seen, not heard. I think, there is clause in his leave agreement prohibiting him from giving media interviews. and surprisingly enough, purisima is sticking to it. you may have to torture him to make him talk, he, he, he. and if you know purisima, he’d rather cut his own tongue than talk.