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Watching people now watching the #PacquiaoMayweather fight – the Flight of the Century?

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Just my opinion

by Raïssa Robles

 

Thanks for this @Deadspin –

Courtesy of one of my favorite sites – Mashable

 

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UPDATE: 

And here’s WHY Pacquiao lost to Mayweather. It’s all very scientific. Unlike our Comelec count. [this pic is courtesy of DZMM] –

 

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But here’s what many people think of the fight –

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I have a confession to make. I have never watched any of the fights of Manny Pacquiao, although I consider him a great boxer. And I’ve seen clips of his fight.

I can’t bear watching a blood sport, I guess. The frenzy, the excitement and the violence transports me back to the Roman times of the gladiators. Which is why the place where they are fighting now is so aptly named – the Arena.

You know that there is always that possibility that one of them might end up seriously injured.

You know that being punched by Floyd Mayweather is like being hit by a truck at breakneck speed.

You know that they are mauling each other until only one man is left standing and the other too bloodied up and dazed to care for the crown.

And so I would rather watch the crowd watching the fight. And in this case, the crowd happens to be pretty much the entire nation. Except for me and a few others who feel like me or whose hearts are too weak to take the excitement.

I will be posting here, for posterity, some of my observations of what’s happening. And link it to how the fight could possibly affect the political climate in the Philippines.

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Minutes  ago, I asked on Twitter who were the Filipino politicians who have been spotted at the MGM Grand.

martin romualdez, sonny angara

And filipinas @v_vangogh retweeted to me this photo

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I wonder if Vice-President Jejomar Binay is there too at MGM.

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You can really tell that Manny Pacquiao is Pinoy.

Just before the fight, Mommy Dionisia prayed over him in all her finery. The photo is courtesy of my FOCAP colleague, Jamela-Alindogan-Caudron of Al Jazeera.

Mommy-D

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It’s raining.

A blessing in this feverish atmosphere.

I can follow the Pacquiao bout without watching the fight, just by listening to my neighbors erupt in screams and cheers. @Dave Tabaniag retweeted this photo from @BleacherReport

Bleacher-Report

Pacquiao seems to have the upper hand right now. But my hubby Alan told me that Mayweather is a methodical fighter who plans his moves and fights defensively. He may be trying to tire his opponent before going in for the kill.

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This morning I got a call from my sister all the way in Canada asking me if I was going to watch the Pacquiao fight live. I said I wasn’t. It turned out she was. She had shelled out around 100 Canadian dollars to follow the excitement.

She also told me that she heard a TV announcer say that Pacquiao had bought 900 tickets for the fight. that’s around US$1 million she said.

Well, I told her, Manny Pacquiao must have wanted to bring his own cheering squad to counter Floyd’s home court advantage. And he can afford to pay.

Come to think of it, that expense must be tax-deductible for Pacquiao.

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 If Manny Pacquiao wins, he’s a step closer to the presidency.

If he loses, he could still make a go of it.

I am looking at his presidential prospects in an impartial, analytical way.

His problem would be – how to make his money last long enough for a shot at the highest office. Because like billionaire ex-senator Manuel Villar, he may have a hard time soliciting campaign funds since the wealthy businessmen will say that Pacquiao has enough money to finance his campaign.

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Love-story

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“@jake_sioson: @raissawriter@v_vangogh
May quorum na ba ang kongresso?” – extension bldg ang MGM Las Vegas…
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One-minute-remains---LA-Times
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and the 12 rounds are over! #OneForPacman#PacquiaoMayweather
THAT’S IT??????????????????
Sky Cable was offering the fight live for P2,500.
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 And a dangerous rematch is in the offing.

Mayweather just won!!!!!???????#####

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andy levy @andylevy from FoxNews tweeted –

somebody should tell mayweather he’s supposed hug his wife and punch the guy in the ring not the other way around

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My hubby Alan is asking, can we call this fight “The Flight of the Century”?

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Inquirer Metro @InqMetro – As of 1:08 pm, multiple collision of three cars at EDSA Farmers NB, two lanes occupied. | @MMDA
I wonder if the results of the fight had anything to do with this.
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From actor Jim Carrey – @JimCarrey
Big let down in vegas. Was that a boxing match or Dancing With The Stars? ;^\
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If Pacquiao wants to be President he will have to run for the Senate next year.

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  2. Rappler — Poe asked Aquino: Will you support me? (6:04 PM, May 11, 2015)

    http://www.rappler.com/nation/92868-poe-aquino-support-2016

    Of the different reports I read about Pnoy-Poe meeting before the President’s trip to Canada, this one has the most nuances or subtleties.

    In short, although Pnoy and Poe may have some meeting of minds, the realities of the elements of the Tripartite — Pnoy, Coalition and Poe — have to be considered.

    In any case, we have only about 1.5 months to wait — late June to early July for things to be clarifed. (As my apo used to say ilang tulog na lang Lolo.)

    • My 007 in the palace overheard grace asking PNoy if he’ll support her for president even if she’s not an LP member? PNoy said he’ll consult the party first. Mar later joined them at the latter part of their “tete-a-tete”

      IMHO, grace is aware of the formidable administration party machinery that goes up to precinct level. Had she promised that if elected, PNoy won’t suffer the fate of gma – the outcome of their conversation could be different.

      Grace cannot run on her own although she has the support of the moneyed marcoses, which is tantamount to a kiss of death like gma’s to Gibo.

      In desperation, she can turn to pacquiao as her vp but manny’s billions (peso) from mayweather fight could be frozen due to an avalanche of class-suits filed in U.S. and elsewhere on account of his shoulder injury.

      Her last resort is vp binay who is publicly wooing her as his vp candidate but it presents a dilemma – binay and her reported father belong to the birds of the same feathers.

      • Kalahari,

        DABBLING INTO THE MIND OF POE, PART 2

        Although Pnoy may have initiated the tete-a-tete concerning Election 2016 between himself and Poe before the former left for Canada, I choose to define or frame the talks as between a buyer and seller, and the ability of the buyer to deliver the benefit agreed upon on the product discussed.

        – The Buyer — Pnoy
        – The Seller — Poe
        – The Product — Poe
        – The Presidency — Higher price for the Product
        – The Vice Presidency — Lower price for the Product
        – The ability to deliver the benefit (Presidency or Vice Presidency) — the Machinery

        Now let us assume for the moment that Poe — in contrast to her earlier statement that she needs more time and preparation to be ready for the Presidency (an assumption I used in Post 105 MayPac Blog with the resulting conclusion I described there) — now wants to jump the gun, convinced that she now believes she is ready for a shot at the Presidency.

        Now consider the tandem

        – Poe-Binay
        – Poe-LC candidate (LC – the LP Coalition and machinery)
        – Poe-XC candidate (XC – the X Coalition and machinery)

        No brainer: Poe-Binay is out.

        Although there is no report of another Coalition (the XC) talking with Poe, we can use this as a generic Coalition who also want to play the game. Thus, we have the two buyers, LC and XC and a single seller Poe.

        If both LC and XC machinery are equally good or viable, Poe would want to sell the product for a higher price, naturally — meaning the Presidency. Thus, if LC wants to buy at a lower price (Vice Presidency), Poe will go for XC who is willing to pay the higher price (Presidency).

        That may not be the end of it. Let me do some variation. Is there such an XC with a machinery that is willing to pay the Higher Price? What precisely is Poe’s leverage? There is also the nature of XC; does it have a reasonably sound moral ground with which to start a Presidency, a Presidency which will DEFINE her — not wanting a Presidency at any cost like Binay does. What will be the demands from her by XC?

        My point (consistent with my earlier Post 105 – MayPac) is that Poe may have an HIGH INITIAL ASKING PRICE as a Seller but in the end may SETTLE FOR LESS from the Buyer whose Platform she considers better than XC (if such a one exists), with the consequent result along the same lines as in my earlier post.

      • kalahari, palagay ko the police and military personnel, their families, relatives and friends will not be supportive grace poe because of her mamasapono report. she could lose their votes too.

        • Moonie, useful comment on the police and army people who have been mercilessly skewered by Poe in the Mamasapano Investigation chaired by her. And considering the spread and reach of the police and army in the country, that is a factor indeed.

        • nherrera, undecided daw si grace, to run or not. but if she runs bilang vp ni mar, she will be excessively scrutinized, her parentage, her being a foundling, her citizenship, etc.

        • @ moonie,

          Dapat mag Vice President lang muna si Grace Poe para makabasi sa kapalpakan nito sa Mamasapano Hearing? Masyadong nagmadali kasi eh at porma lang.

      • James Bond spy heard Sen. Poe and PNoy talking re if the latter will support the former for P; the latter says he’ll ask the LP party; the LP party says they’ll support whatever is the latter’s decision.

        So, for P, it will be P oe! or oe si Po?! What is PNoy’s probable choice? Sa akin hula 85% na si Sen. Poe for LP for P. The 15% will bolt to VP BInay before the May elections.

      • ha ha ha..BFD, kAMISON IS THE campaign manager of pacman…but on a serious note, even pacman opting to run as a senator is a hard sell if candidates have to be vetted by an informed electorates…and this is one area where CPMers can play a vital role in the coming 2016 presidential election…informing, educating and directing voters towards a political and electoral goal that translate into an effective mechanism for the continuation of good governance in our country.

    • Pacquiao is running for Senator!

      Nobody can stop him.

      Probably sayang yung isang seat sa Senado pero mukhan palit lang sila ni Leon Guerrero…

  4. Should the Supreme Court intervene and shield VP Binay from criminal suit?

    In 1910 the Philippine Supreme Court under the US constitution declared that the judicial department will not, in the absence of express legislative authority, intervene for the purpose of controlling the power of the Philippine Governor General, nor the purpose of inquiring whether or not he is liable in damages for the exercise thereof.

    The 1935 constitution, which was understandably based from the US constitution, did not mention about presidential immunity from suit. But it provided for the impeachment of the president, Vice President, etc.

    Article IX, Section 1 of the 1935 constitution provides:

    “SECTION 1. The President, the Vice-President, the Justices of the Supreme Court, and the Auditor General, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, culpable violation of the Constitution, treason, bribery, or other high crimes.”

    While the 1935 constitution is silent about the president’s immunity from suit, the 1973 constitution expressly provides in Article VII, Section 15 that:

    “The President shall be immune from suit during his tenure. Thereafter, no suit whatsoever shall lie for official acts done by him or by others pursuant to his specific orders during his tenure.

    “The immunities herein provided shall apply to the incumbent President referred to in Article XVII of this Constitution.”

    It must be noted that the 1973 constitution is a creation of the incumbent president then. Obviously, this constitutional provision is a scheme to shield Marcos as incumbent president from suit and even after his term as president including his subalterns.

    The 1973 constitution, specifically Article XIII, Section 2, also provided for the removal through impeachment of the President, the SC justices and members of constitutional commissions. The Vice President was not mentioned because the constitution did not provide for such position.

    The 1987 constitution deleted the express provision on presidential immunity from suit. The constitutional commissioners, particularly Father Bernas, rationalized that jurisprudence has adequately provided the immunity from suit by the PRESIDENT by virtue of FORBES VS. CHUOCO, G.R. No. L-6157, July 30, 1910. With the deletion of said provision on presidential immunity, the 1987 constitution effectively removed the immunity from suit of the president AFTER his or her term. Erap and GMA could attest to that.

    But the 1987 constitution retained the impeachment provision which included the Vice President already. Meaning that all the 1935, 1973 and 1987 constitutions provided the impeachment of the president, Vice President, etc. But immunity from suit of said officials had been treated differently by said constitutions. Meaning that impeachment does NOT relate at all to immunity from suit. Simply because impeachment entails a POLITICAL exercise while immunity from suit connotes JUDICIAL intervention.

    Only the 1973 constitution expressly provided immunity from suit. And it was for the president ALONE. Both the 1935 and 1987 constitutions are silent about the immunity from suit by any of the impeachable officials. As explained by Father Bernas during the deliberation of the1987 constitution, the immunity from suit by the PRESIDENT has been adequately covered by jurisprudence since 1910.

    In Soliven vs. Makasiar, G.R. No. 82585, November 14, 1988, the Supreme Court reiterated the grant to the president of the privilege of immunity from suit. The rationale for the grant is “to assure the exercise of Presidential duties and functions free from any hindrance or distraction, considering that being the Chief Executive of the Government is a job that, aside from requiring all of the office holder’s time, also demands undivided attention.” And the president could invoke or waive such privilege.

    Clearly, the immunity from suit refers ONLY to the President or the Chief Executive of the Government. In other words the Vice President, SC justices and members of the constitutional commission do NOT have any immunity from suit. NOT from the commonwealth constitution. NOT from the Marcos constitution. And definitely NOT from the Cory constitution.

    • Rene, summary of your notes (my reading, beg to be corrected if wrong):

      1935 Const — Impeachment Prov — No Immunity Prov
      1973 Const — Impeachment Prov — Immunity only for Pres (Pres Marcos at that time)
      1987 Const — Impeachment Prov — No explicit Immunity Prov but via Jurisprudence but for Pres only

      Ergo, strictly applied, under all the Constitutions VP Binay is not immune. (The matter of impeachment and immunity are different animals altogether.)

      • Correct. Dagdag ko lang.

        1935 Const – Impeachment provision – No explicit immunity provision but via 1910 SC decision for president only.

      • Korek ka dyan . . . ‘impeachment’ is different from ‘immunity’ . . . two different animals,

        . . . one eats grass maybe, and the other eats meat. Different body structure, skins, thinking and acting.

        . . . one is friendly type. The other is potentially violent to others.

        . . . one does not need a cage. The other needs a cage. So many different things to consider on these two animals.

        Which one is required to be impeached? Which is the one immune? Two different animals!

        Is the VP of ‘both’ animals? A hybrid creation? Yes. He needs to be impeached. He will not be immune once impeached.

        A mixture of the animals.

        :=)

    • What is the intent of shielding the President from lawsuits during his term?

      1. So he can fulfill his mandate of serving the people unhindered.

      2. Any wrongdoing he does during his term will be cosidered political eventhough some has a patina of criminal activity. He could be impeached and only afterwards he could be facing lawsuits once he does not have the protection of the office of the Presidency.

      On the VP’s case it is entirely different.

      1. He is a spare tire and the car could still run since as a spare tire he is not being used.

      2. There are so many spare tires. The Speaker of the House is next in line in the succession once the President and VP are incapacitated.

      3. The executive branch where the VP belongs will still be fulfilling its mandate even the VP faces many lawsuits.

      4. Having lawsuits does not mean the current VP is no longer considered as the next in line in case the President is incapacitated. Assuming the VP has lawsuits during his term but due to incapacity of the current President, the VP will assume the office of the Presidency. Once he is President, the lawsuits are put in hibernation until he is out of office. The sitting President could also face impeachment according to our contstitution.

      Therefore, the VP is not immuned to lawsuits during his term!

    • ‘Suit’, can we be more specific. . . criminal case (suit), civil case for damages ( suit):

      ‘Immunity from ‘suit’ or what ‘case’: criminal or civil – for Vice President?

      Sample: VP drives his vehicle with his bodyguards as passenger. Runs over a VIP on the road and killed the VIP. Heirs refuses to accept settlement from VP. Heirs wants to sue VP for P100M damages. Can heirs file the case or suit against VP in court without any impeachment and conviction first?

      Same case scenario: Heirs wants to file criminal case (suit) against VP for Reckless Imprudence resulting in homicide. VP drove without driver’s license. Can VP be charged for it in court without being impeached and convicted first?

      Actual case: The present VP is charged at the Sandiganbayan court, crminally and administratively for graft and corruption on that Parking Bldg. World Class, “for acts as then the Mayor of Makati City.”

      Under Article XI SEC. 2, the Vice President may be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, culpable violation of the Constitution, treason, bribery, GRAFT and CORRUPTION, other high crimes, or BETRAYAL of PUBLIC TRUST.

      Can trial proceed at the Sandiganbayan against the Vice President without being impeached and convicted with penalty of removal from office as vice president?

      According to NHerrera, ‘ The matter of impeachment and immunity are different animals altogether.’ Small animal as mayor but now big animal as vice president. What applies to vp first – impeachment & conviction with removal from office, or vp is immune if not impeached first with conviction following and remove from vp office?

      • Impeachment is a political exercise while a lawsuit – criminal or civil – is judicial. In fact, Governor General Forbes was sued in 1910 for prohibition and damages for P20,000 – a civil suit – in the case of Forbes vs. Chuoco.

        IMO the VP can be impeached, tried and convicted in congress and prosecuted, tried and convicted in court SIMULTANEOSLY. The impeachment is akin to an administrative process where the maximum penalty is removal from office while a lawsuit culminates into imprisonment, fine or payment for damages.

        The quantum of evidence to convict in impeachment case is only substantial while criminal and civil suits need proof beyond reasonable doubt and preponderance of evidence, respectively. Indeed, administrative and criminal cases arising from a single offense could be heard simultaneously as it is now happening in the case of Junjun Binay.

        I also believe that if (not when) Binay is impeached in the lower house but finally acquitted in the senate, he could still succeed as president in case of incapacity of PNoy even when (not if) Binay is convicted and imprisoned. But that is if (not when) Binay is released from prison or his physical incapacity to succeed PNoy ends before his term as VP expires in 2016.

        • Of course it would be another story when, (not if) Binay is convicted for plunder.

        • [email protected], I like the ‘SIMULTANEOUSLY’ answer. Thanks.

          Next, I like also the ‘if’ and ‘when’ alternatives or whatever. I got to update, my mind is slow and rusty.

          Also, the 1910 SC case of Gov. Forbes is quite interesting: must have been sued in his official capacity – Prohibition; and ‘with damages’ – P20th – looks like also a civil case/suit while being in office as Governor-General.

          Salamat.

    • “One-armed” boxers? If I have the money, I will set up a school of boxing with specialty — how to survive as “one-armed” boxers. My consultants for this specialty will be Pacquiao, Donaire and Mayweather. Baycas, mind to join my prospective corporation?

    • Donaire and Pacquiao lost with “shoulder injury.”

      On the other hand, Mayweather won.

      • @NHerrera,

        Naah.

        I’ll stick to ‘barbering’ and ‘kuwentong barbero.’

        You can always be ‘jack of all trades or tirades.’ Honest living too…

        • baycas,

          “Jack of all tirades, master of pun.” I hope I can get a medal on that, but I can’t beat baycas and leona on that talent.

          kalakala,

          “jack of all tirades, master of none!”. Now that sounds like me. Hahaha.

        • “Jack of all tirades, master of pun”

          “Master and a half. Isn’t worth a spit. Comforter, philosopher and lifelong shit.”

  6. I am on Election 2016 related binge.

    – First Binay commended Mary Jane Veloso as a Mother on Mother’s Day for her efforts in behalf of the family which resulted in her being convicted as a drug trafficker in Indonesia. Good point, nothwithstanding shade of epalism.

    – Next, Binay through spokesman criticized Sen Trillanes for indulging in demolition job against the vice president while there is a major typhoon threatening lives and property in Luzon — meaning corruption matters has to take a rest because of climate related items (note we have about 20 typhoons a year; this means the rest will take a long time if we follow that logic).

    – In the on-going 20th hearing of the Pimentel BR Subcommittee on the Makati Parking Bldg and related items, Bondal presented evidence supporting his allegation of corruption associated with the setting of the UMak school of Nursing.

    – Where are Limlingan, Baloloy and Chong — close associates of Binay in the corruption complaint against Binay? The hiding of these three alone is a highly suspicious item which leads a normally-function mind (excepting Nancy Binay, in charity) to taint Binay big time.

    – In a GMA-NEWS item — VP Binay’s withdrawal from 2016 race among scenarios NP is studying – Trillanes — Sen Trillanes gives an interesting view:
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    “Naniniwala ako na di na tatakbo si Vice President Binay. Aatras na siya ngayong nararamdaman niyang gumuguho na ang mundo niya,” Trillanes said in an interview on radio dzBB.

    “Pag titingnan ang profile ni Vice President Binay ay makikitang siya ay umaatras sa mga laban na matitindi. Eh lalo na dito sa laban sa pagka-presidente dahil gagasutsin niya ang sarili niyang pera,” he said, referring to Binay’s decision to pull out of their scheduled debate last November.
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    Sen Trillanes statement jibes with the view of Parekoy expressed earlier that the withdrawal of financial support by sponsors will crimp the VP’s campaign. Sen Trillanes’ statements that Binay will likely use his own funds is consistent with that view.

    • In the PRAYER FOR RELIEF, Plaintiff prays for judgement, one of which is as follows:

      “b. An order requiring imposition of a constructive trust and/or disgorgement of Defendant’s ill-gotten gains and to pay restitution to Plaintiff and all members of the Classes and to restore to the Plaintiff and members of the Classes all funds acquired by means of any act or practice declared by this Court to be an unlawful, fraudulent, deceptive, misleading, or unfair business act or practice, a violation of laws, statutes or regulations, or constituting unfair competition or false advertising”

      If the court allows and orders fully as prayed for, will this mean that ALL ILL-GOTTEN GAINS of the Defendants from this FOTC will be held and will not be accessible by the defendants — meaning in the case of Pacquiao, the $120M plus other benefits (PPV, etc) will not be accessed by Pacquiao, that is, not only the PPV portion of the gains?

      yvonne, I know you said you will not comment anymore about the Pacquiao FOTC (so did I), but other lawyers hereabouts may want to respond to my query.

      • Paano kung nag-advance na si Pacman…kung sakali lang naman…para kunwari sa pambayad para sa Beverly Hills mansion?

      • Pacquiiao can ask for a TRO and a final injunction from the Court of Appeals, in New York State/NYC.
        [CA of NY is the supreme court; trial courts are called supreme court.]

        :=)

        • IMHO, the courts in the U.S. where the cases are filed against Paquiao, et al, a freeze order may be issued during the pendency of the trial, which won’t take long. It’s good manny was given a reported advance of $50 million.

          The cases filed are properly documented, and counting – and may likely include our locals depending on the outcome of the U.S. cases.

    • No similar/like case(s) filed in the courts of the Philippines by any Filipino(s) or group(s)?

      Baka ma dismiss nga yun mga cases na yan sa USA. . . any CPMer(s) bought PPV for P2,500.00? File tayo!

      :=)

      • My village in the Philippines paid a PPV telecast through which I watched the FOTC. Will relay the idea to my village Admin to give it a thought. (On second thought, this affects me financially because the fund used is part of the Village Fund of which I have a share.)

        • Yun tatlo na namatay na nunuod sa FOTC ay magibat na mga kaso yan. Kasi patay sila! Peke pa la yun fight! Na damay sila sa pag kamatay.

          Tanong mo sa Village Admin dyan baka isa, ‘o yun dalawa namatay doon. Yun isa ay public opisyal…konsehal pa naman.

      • Wala pang alam sina Mang Bernie sa mga parokyano nila na nagbayad sa PPV.

        Puro delayed telecast lang ang pawang napanood nila noong a-tres ng Mayo.

        Sabi nga ni Mang Gani…lahat daw ng nakausap niyang nanood ng delayed telecast ay inasahang maigi at taimtim na mananalo si Manny.

        Kaya lang gaya sa PPV, talo rin daw pala…

  8. Raissa, kindly release my post concerning Election 2016 and Poe if you have the time. Thanks.

    • Grace was called to the Palace recently for possible Mar-Grace tandem but she’s non-committal.

      Bongbong marcos has publicly intimidated that he’s interested to be binay’s vp candidate but his bejeweled mother wants him to run for president to rewrite history in their favor.

      The marcoses can easily surpass the formidable party machinery of PNoy since they’re awash with cash reportedly from interest income alone.

      The chances of the marcoses returning to power are huge if grace will agree to be the running mate of her alleged brother bongbong.

      In other words – the battle cry “NEVER AGAIN” may be pushed under the rug and replace by “WE ARE THE WORLD, AGAIN”

      Kawawang Pinas

      • Kalahari,

        There are indeed a lot of possibilities, and you wrote some of those. Kawawa nga ang Pinas kung mangyari yun.

        My notes in Post 105 was done in an axiomatic style of argument, starting from Assumptions and proceeded from there. Meaning, if we don’t share the same assumptions, the rest of my notes is not worth reading.

        Cheers.