By Raïssa Robles
I’ve always suspected the Chinese read my blog – given what I’ve written about the West Philippine Sea. Yesterday I found out Malaysia was reading it as well.
Channel News Asia and Malaysian online newspaper newstraitstimes.com separately reported that on May 19 Malaysia’s foreign ministry summoned the Philippine Charge d’Affaires Medardo Macaraig to give him an earful over what President Benigno Aquino told me when I asked if he was dropping the Philippine claim to Sabah.
Aquino had replied he was not dropping the claim and I had reported his explanation word for word. You can read it in my blog post entitled “I will not drop Sabah claim, President Aquino told me.”
Malaysia huffily told Macaraig “its position that Malaysia does not recognise and will not entertain any claims by any party on Sabah”, Channel News Asia reported.
You can access the reports of Channel News Asia here and that of newstraitstimes.com here , as well as another news report here .
I was curious what the actual Malaysian foreign ministry statement contained. A source kindly sent me the English and Malay versions below:
PRESS RELEASE
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, MalaysiaFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
YB MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS MALAYSIA
ON THE PHILIPPINES’ CLAIM ON SABAHOn 19 May 2015, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Malaysia summoned Mr. Medardo G. Macaraig, the Philippine Charge d’Affaires over the remarks made by His Excellency Benigno S. Aquino III, President of the Republic of the Philippines, on the Philippines’ claim on Sabah in an interview by Miss Raissa Robles on 15 May 2015.
The Government of Malaysia reiterates its position that Malaysia does not recognise and will not entertain any claims by any party on Sabah. Sabah is recognised by the United Nations (UN) and international community as part of Malaysia since 16 September 1963.
The Malay version
SIARAN AKHBAR
Kementerian Luar Negeri, MalaysiaUNTUK SIARAN SERTA-MERTA
YB MENTERI LUAR NEGERI MALAYSIA MENGENAI TUNTUTAN FILIPINA KE ATAS SABAH
Pada 19 Mei 2015, Kementerian Luar Negeri Malaysia telah memanggil Tuan Medardo G. Macaraig, Charge d’ Affaires Kedutaan Besar Republik Filipina berkaitan dengan kenyataan yang telah dikeluarkan oleh Tuan Yang Terutama Benigno S. Aquino III, Presiden Republik Filipina, mengenai tuntutan Filipina ke atas Sabah dalam satu sesi temubual yang telah diadakan oleh Wartawan Raissa Robles pada 15 Mei 2015.
Kerajaan Malaysia menegaskan pendiriannya bahawa Malaysia tidak mengiktiraf dan tidak akan melayan sebarang tuntutan oleh mana-mana pihak ke atas Sabah. Sabah telah diiktiraf oleh Pertubuhan Bangsa-Bangsa Bersatu (PBB) dan masyarakat antarabangsa sebagai sebahagian dari Malaysia sejak 16 September 1963.
PUTRAJAYA
20 MEI 2015
As I told President Aquino during my interview with him, this is not the time to take up the Sabah issue.
However, I would just like to share with my readers and commenters the raw copy of an article I had submitted to South China Morning Post on the issue of Sabah on August 31, 2002, in the hope that this will contribute to the understanding of the issue. I don’t have a copy of the published and edited version.
This piece is highly interesting because it has the Malaysian ambassador to Manila then admitting that the Malaysian government pays the Sultanate of Sulu a yearly rent of 5,000 ringgit.
I also recall – although I did not write this into the story – that Ambassador Taufik told the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines then that he had just personally delivered a check to the Sultanate’s family.
Here is my draft version of the story:
Sabah: the problem refuses to die
RAISSA ROBLES in Manila
In the southern Philippine island of Bongao, Tawi-Tawi, host to thousands of Filipinos forcibly deported from Sabah, the Malaysian ringgit is as much legal tender as the peso.
It’s not that natives of Bongao feel their island is part of Malaysia. It’s because they, as well as thousands of Muslim residents in the adjoining islands, feel Sabah is really part of Muslim Mindanao.
“They go there to shop the way people in Manila go to the malls,” noted Congressman Jose Lozada, House foreign relations committee chairman.
Sabah is five hours away by speedboat from Bongao and 12 hours on a slow ferry.
Early this year, Malaysia’s finance ministry had paid the Royal Sultanate of Sulu in southern Philippines its yearly “rent” of 5,000 ringgit for Sabah, Malaysian ambassador to Manila Mohamed Taufik confirmed to South China Morning Post.
Later, Ambassador Taufik took great pains to stress that this was not rent but a “cession fee”.
And there lies the nagging problem over Sabah.
Sabah’s official website acknowledges that the territory was originally a thank you gift by Sultan Bolkiah of Brunei in 1658 to the Sultan of Sulu for helping put down an internal revolt.
Then the website claims that in 1877, the Sultan of Sulu concluded a “treaty…ceding large portions of territory” to Baron Von Overbeck, the Austrian consul in Hong Kong, and his British financial backers, Alfred and Edward Dent.
The Sultanate’s version is quite different and is borne out by the original document. It uses the word “padjak”, which Spanish, Dutch and American linguists have defined as an “arrendiamento” or a “lease”.
Although the Baron was granted “absolute authority” over residents of the “land beneath the wind” – since Sabah was shielded from storms – the agreement forbade the Baron from transferred his rights to another company or to a sovereign state without the Sultan’s permission.
When the United States “bought” the Philippines from Spain for US$20 million under the Treaty of Paris in 1898, Sabah was not part of the deal.
However, the US officially reminded Great Britain in 1906 and again in 1920 that Sabah did not belong to the Crown but to the Sultanate of Sulu.
When the US granted the Philippines independence in 1946, the country’s constitution asserted its claim for “all other areas which belong to the Philippines on the basis of historical rights or legal claims.”
Malaya became independent from British rule in 1957
but it was only in May 1961 that Malaya’s Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman, agreed to accept Singapore, another British-administered colony, into the federation on condition that other British colonies, including Sabah which was then known as North Borneo, be integrated too.The Sultanate of Sulu formally asked the Philippine government to act on its behalf. President Diosdado Macapagal, father of incumbent President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, vehemently opposed the annexation and sent a delegation to London to formalize the claim.
Both sides agreed to allow the United Nations to conduct a referendum to determine the will of Sabah residents.
To this day, Philippine officials claim that referendum was rigged with the help of British authorities to favor Malaysia.
When Mrs Arroyo visited Malaysia this May, she did not take up the Sabah issue.
However, Mr Mahathir opened up the subject and suggested that Manila open a consulate in Sabah to take care of an estimated half a million Filipinos staying there with and without papers. In doing so, Manila would have effectively dropped its claim, Philippine ambassador to Kuala Lumpur, Jose Brillantes said.
Another ranking Philippine official disclosed: “She (Mrs Arroyo) proposed that this be taken up in another setting, which if you ask me, that showed our lack of preparation on the issue itself.”
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Parekoy says
Mother’s Day in Philippine Politics
Binay’s Mom (In Heaven) – Anak sabi ni Lord, malas lang talaga na di tayo magkasama sa Langit, dahil naghihintay na si Santi. pero di pa huli ang lahat, pag inamin mo yung mga kurapsyon mo at ibalik ang mga ninakae mo eh baka kahit papano sa Purgatoryo ang destino mo…I love you my little dark angel…
Duterte’s Mom (In Purgatory) – Digong, huwag ka sanang magagalit kung ako ay naging masamang ina. Ako ay nabulag sa aking paniniwala na tama ang ginagawa mong pagpataynsa mga kriminal na walang trial. Kasama ko ang mga pinapatay mo sa Davao Death Squadsvditomsa purgatoryo, dahil karamihan sa kanila ay di nararapat patayin dahil mga piptsugin na mga petty criminals lang sila na pwede pang mareporma. Sabi ni Lord ang pagkunsinti ko sayo ay mali at kailangan kong gumugol ng mahabang panahon para mag-lead ng Rosaryo sa mga nilikida mo para kami ay mapunta sa langit. Hinihintay ka na ni Mang Taning pero sabi ni Lord may pag-asa ka pa na makasama ko sa purgatoryo kung ilikida mo yung mga halang ang mga kaluluwa na tulad ni Binay, Enrile, Gloria, mga bigtime druglords, mga namemeke ng gamot, mga kurap at magnanakaw na pulitikos! Hige na Digong patayin mo na sila para magkita pa tayo sa Purgatoryo.
Poe’s Mom – i love you Grace! Bunga ka ng kasalanan at ang panahon during the sixties ay iba. Masyadong magpaghusga ang ating society. Di ko kaya ang kahihiyang dulot na maging dalagang ina. Nadagdagan pa ng utos ng Daddy mo na takot sa kanyang malditang asawa at ayaw ng gulo. Naging masama man akong Ina pero proteksyon mo yun dahil pag inamin ko na anak kita eh sigurado ang tao eh alam na kung sino ang Daddy mo. he is the most powerful person in the Philippines, pero mas powerful ang asawa nya at may banta na pag inamin ko na anak kita eh taoyng dalawa ay maglalaho sa mundong ito dahil may mga berdugo si Madam. Sana maintindihan mo ang ginwa ko dahil di naman kita ibinigay sa ibang tao dahil ang Mommy mo ay kapatid ko at sigurado akong di ka nila pababayaan. Ngayong inuurirat ng mga kalaban mo ang pagigigng natural born mo, sabihin mo lang at lalantad ako at magpa-DNA tayo para matupad ang ambisyon mo na maging tulad ng Daddy mo.
Mar’s Mom – Proud akong lumaki kang isang tunay na leader. Di nagnakaw sa pwesto at ginagampanan ng maayos ang bawat trabahong ibinibigay sayo. Alam kong nagkamali ako ng advice sayo. Isa yung sabi ko sayo na magparaya kay Noynoy, pangalawa ay magtiwala sa kanyang pamilyana suportahan ka ng todo at di ka ipapagkanulo, pangatlo eh ang pagpayag ko na maging asawa mo si Korina. I’ll make it up to you. I will show the world how proud I am of you di tulad ng iba mong mga kalaban naikinahihiya ng mga moms nila kahit sa kabilang buhay at yung isang ambisyosa ay baby pa lang eh ikinahiya na sya at ipinaampin pa. I will support you my son dahil di kita ikiahihiya at ang endorso ng Mommy mo ay testament na ang pamilya mo ay behind you 100 percent. Marami ang mag-dedemolish sayo at palabasin na Mama’s Boy ka pero alam ng mga Pilipino na you are your own man, you have the credentials, you have the experience, you are hard-working and a team player you have the proper breeding, you are not corrupt, and most of all you have integrity…kailan ba ako magiging Lola na naman kasi si Paolo ay binata na at gusto ko ay baby boy…kungmay problema si Korina, I’ll pay for the in-vitrio (Fuck her, siguro kasi sa dami ng dumaan sa matris nyan eh nasira tuloy…)… Extend my love to my daughter-in-law?…don’t forget na uminom ng gatas bago matulog, my boy! …PS…Don’t worry if that ingrate Aquino betrays you again if does not endorse you for president, I will fund your campaign together with our wealthy friends!…sweet dreams..
Parekoy
06-01-2015
kalakala says
@parekoy, like your post.
p.s. my son, don’t forget your vitamins too.
moonie says
ako rin, I like parekoy’s mother’s day post.
my son, mar, pahabol lang po ito, kung ayaw mong maging kalbo, eat your toast, and eat your porridge, preferably wholemeal oats.
and by the way my son, since you and koring are both busy, how about giving me apo via surrogacy? koring cannot go through morning sickness, paglilihi, suka ng suka, ihi ng ihi lalo na sa 1st trimester dahil the damn fetus is kicking the bladder, having aches and pain, putting on weight with koring looking like balyena, her hormones haywiring and making her irritable. baka makalbo pa siya because of stress hormone like what some women go through during pregnancy. so think about surrogacy, my son.
moonie says
considering korina’s age and lifestyle, there is possibility she cannot carry a baby full term and may lose the baby.
Victinluz says
KAWAWA NAMAN KAYONG MGA MINIONs ni ROXAS…..ayon basahin nyo ang Inquirer he he NANAY JUDY’s talked DAW sabi ni MAR… ha ha nagbabasa si MAR sa atin mga CPMERS… He he ….hindi nya raw alam ang ginawa na pangungumbinse sa mga taga NEGRENESE he he… MAMAs BOY TALAGA….mahirap ibenta ang manok ninyo ,, sa KANILANG lugar na iyan. lalo na kung pumunta kayo sa mga taga TONDO ( slum areas ) Binay iyan ayaw kay MAR , pero POE sila kung lalaban si GRACE…he he…punta kayo sa PANGGALATOK AREA ( Pangasinan ) POE or BINAY or LACSON or DUTERTE na lang ang pinag uusapan dyan na mananalo o candidate nila…MAR wala iyan pwit iyan sa kanila….PUNTA ka Bicol area ay ROBLEDO, POE, BINAY paminsan minsan lang nababanggit iyang si Roxas… Papaano kaya kayo MANANALO nyan…?
Ancient Mariner says
The opt in clause of the BBL seems to be giving the Senate some food for thought. And so it should.
Where else in the World have 10% of the population been able to decide on behalf of the other 90%?
Proof that the BBL was either drafted by the MILF or an idiot.
And now it is claimed that 85 MILF commanders and their rebels do not like the BBL because it is not hard line Islamic enough.
Please, the Filipino people, the Senate and the President wake up and understand that the MILF cannot be trusted.
Perhaps NoyNoy can explain to the people why he is pushing for an agreement so filled with holes and which ignores the rights and needs of 90% of the population.
Joe America says
It takes a petition by 10% to hold a plebiscite and 50% to “opt in”. This opportunity occurs the 5th and 10th year after the agreement is implemented. I agree it is a bad provision, and opens communities up to intimidation and extortion.
I personally would prefer that the Muslim leadership work with the disgruntled among their citizens, rather than outsiders or police trying to bring them to order. To expect everyone to find happy agreement with the document is beyond reasonable, I think. Just as we outsiders have our complaints . . . which undoubtedly seem unreasonable to Moros.
The purpose of the BBL is to establish peace so that investments can be made and an economy developed that will make that peace long-lasting. No better path has been proposed, that I have read. And I think the goal is worth the risks.
Ancient Mariner says
What the 10% means is that the Muslims alone, in any adjacent region, can start the ball rolling on opt-in.
In my opinion it is an open door to creeping Islamisation.
I still can’t understand why the bill should be rushed. Does not the President want to get it right? What are his priorities?
Most importantly what is the motivation behind the President’s support for a bill full of consitutional anomalies?
I find his approach on this disappointing and most definitely think less of him now than before the BBL.
BFD says
If there’s an opt-in, there should also be an opt-out clause to balance things out.
But I think it’s a bad provision unless they can really explain why it had to be there.
leona says
Which happens first: Opt iN or Opt ouT?
Si Manny Pacman Pacquiao for his province – Opt OuT na! Puede rin later mag OpT iN.
If OpT iN, madali ba mag OpT oUt?
Puede ba MiddLe OpT?
:-)
BFD says
Hahaha… Mid life crisis na lang kaya?
Rene-Ipil says
The Sulu Archipelago comprising of the provinces of Basilan, Sulu and Tawi-Tawi may OPT OUT of Bangsamoro.
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/06/01/1461071/intl-think-tank-sulu-elites-wary-new-bangsamoro
Better if they could exercise their right to self-determination. Meaning that they be allowed not only to opt out of Bangsamoro but also opt out of the Republic of the Philippines. From day one the people of the Sulu Archipelago have not considered themselves Filipino. So let us help them form an independent state and, if possible, regain Sabah, and choose their own leaders by any civilized manner.
kalakala says
from victinluz “WALA ba syang sariling kakayahan na sya ang mangampanya na sya ay may pag asang manalo dahil maganda ang PAMAMALAKAD nya ngayon at noon”
hindi pa naman panahon ng kampanya kaya tahimik si mar ngayon. at isa pa bilang dilg sec. hindi naman basta basta mag resign sya ngayon at mangampanya katulad ni bnay.
Victinluz says
Ayy he he [email protected] kalakala ha…. ano pala ang nasa NEWs ..ano ginawa ng NANAY nya…..why written and PUBLISHED sa dyaryo ..wag kakalimutan ang kanyang anak….. pag nag pa annulled sila ni KORINA?ganoon ba ang inig sabihin ni NANAY JUDY? ano sa tongin mo ang nasa dyaryo….BLUNDER on the camp of BINAY or on the other CAMPs…Dont worry if nobody else except BINAY and ROXAS ,,,i will VOTE ROXAS for P…pag dalawa lang sila ha….
moonie says
right, hindi pa kasi panahong mangumpanya, kaya tahimik muna si mar. last presidential election in 2010, mar got the 2nd highest votes next to binay, and nearly pipped binay to the vice presidential post. mar was that close, marami siyang followers. and if his followers will mobilize again with renewed vigor in 2016 election, mar might just win the presidency.
leona says
Mar Roxas will WiN!
VP Binay’s 35% will become 12%! Mar will surpass the double-doubts of Senator Osmena!
moonie says
loved, loved, loved your enthusiasm, leona, hep, hep, hurray!
kalakala says
mga kababayan mag “MARLEN RORO na” tayo
leona says
All the Way! . . . says Mommy Judy Araneta in Bago City, Negros Occidental last May 30th.
Mar Roxas has worked hard and grind without reservations for this. Cong. Lenny Robredo for VP!
ALL THE WAY! For Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao!
Both Mar Roxas and Lenny Robredo untainted! Clean slate! And No doubts! GO All the Way!
I will VOTE for R^R Team! The Win-Win Tandem
kalakala says
no more padyak. no more NV N/N (negros navigation) napalitan na ng NV R/R (roxas/ robledo) bumubusina na ang NV R/R at ang rorong MARLEN RORO. mga kapatid mula luzon, visayas at mindanao tayo na at sumakay sa barkong ito.
leona says
It looks like DALAWA lang tayo – K & L nito!
Sino kaya yun VP na gusto ng ibang CPMers dito?
<TakaTaka!
Maybe they are waiting for the start of the campaign period?
Dos Botos!
ha ha ha
kalakala says
at least before the campaign period may sure passengers na ang M/V MARLEN RORO.
leona says
joke us citizenship
3 Chinese men wanted to become US citizen and
“Americanize” themselves.
Their names were Bu, Chu, and Fu.
Bu named himself “Buck”,
Chu name himself “Chuck”, and
Fu decided to back to china. :=)
Foreplay –
An old married couple is lying in bed one night. The wife is curled up, ready to go to sleep, and the husband turns his bed lamp on to read a book. As he’s reading, he periodically reaches over to his wife and fondles her special area. He does this a few times, but only for a very short interval before returning to read his book. The wife gradually becomes more and more aroused assuming that her husband is seeking some encouragement she gets up and starts stripping in front of him. The husband is confused and asks, “Why are you taking off your clothes?” His wife replies, “You were rubbing me downtown. I thought it was foreplay.” The husband says, “No, not at all.” His wife asks angrily, “Well, what the hell were you doing then?”
“I was just wetting my finger so I could turn the pages.”
ha ha ha!
baycas says
[FLOWCHART]
U.S. Citizenship Test
leona says
FLOWCHART of Grace Poe:
->door steps Simbahan ->Couple ->to Pari ->Pari to ->Haciendera to ->to FPJ Susan ->to UNations -> . . .
. . . to ->Comelec -> to Senator ->to < Atty. Rene-iPil -> to foundling uli
ha ha ha:->
baycas says
Korekek…
Tututs lang…
From “foundling,” it was ascertained by @Rene-Ipil that she never left her status as “foundling.”
In short…
No flow in the chart for her.
kalakala says
mas maganda kung mayroong gagawa din ng GHANTCHART of grace poe
vander says
anubayan?!
nagmula sa pulot,
magbabalik sa pulot?
tantanan nyo na!
hehehe..
kalakala says
tanong: bakit natalo si mar sa pagka vp?
sagot: kasi kasya lang sa padyak ang naka “remember my son, mar roxas”. kaya this time siguruhin na nya na kasya sa isang barko o roro ang maka “remember my son, mar roxas”.
it’s more fun in the philippines lalo na tag-init dahil sa el nino at election campaign time is around the corner.
sabi ni vander “tayo na mga kapatid!! MARLEN RORO na!!!”… mula aparri hanggang jolo.
Victinluz says
Naku [email protected]…mula Batanes hanggang Tawi Tawi via Mindanao Mainland…. pag BINAY ang kalaban nya TALO si MAR natin…only POE can beat BINAY…..Si ROBLEDO pwediang manalo kahit kalaban nya si MAR ,pero si MAR kahit kakampi nya LAG
Lag na naman si Mr. palengke….MAHIRAP IBENTA…with ABAD protecting him sabit sya….lumalabas wala syang sariling disposisyon …pag may PROBLEMA TAYO takbo kay NANA JUDY IYAN..
leona says
Bakit?
sa PCOS machination yan!
:-)
NHerrera says
MAN-MACHINE-NATURE: AN INSPIRING VOYAGE
BBC NEWS — Solar Impulse plane begins Pacific crossing
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32946874
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Swiss pilot Andre Borschberg has begun his bid to cross the Pacific, from China to Hawaii, in the zero-fuel Solar Impulse aeroplane.
The experimental aircraft, which has a wingspan bigger than a jumbo but weighs little more than a large car, left Nanjing at 02:39 (18:39 GMT).
It is likely to take Mr Borschberg five to six days of continuous flight to reach his central Pacific destination.
He will try to stay awake for much of that time, taking only short catnaps…
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NHerrera says
My magician friend and JoeAm’s bookie Sal got together for beer last night and this morning the magician (sober, I hope) says that as it presently stands, the following are viable in terms of getting votes (without consideration of the machinery and the tandem personalities relationship):
Poe-Duterte
Poe-Roxas
Duterte-Roxas
Binay-Estrada
(Personally, I will go for a Roxas-Poe combination.)
Joe America says
Sal said Lacson-Marcos! Then burst into laughter.
I’m thinking must have gone back for more beer.
NHerrera says
Hahaha!
NHerrera says
In my opinion, we should promote the candidates we believe in. Only later, with new data and analysis, should we change tactics, if only to avoid the magnitude 8 man-made country disaster we would have otherwise.
leona says
Dyos mio! [email protected] san! you are already Opt iN and Opt oUt practicing!
:->
duquemarino says
Ilang araw na ring pinaguusapan ng mga CPMers dito sa blog ang mga possible kandidatong pampanguluhan. Kung ang temperature heat index ay umaabot na ng 42 degrees Celsius, nagsisimula na ring kumulo ang electoral cauldron.
Marapat lang siguro tingnan natin ang nangyarari sa Comelec with the appointment of Andy Bautista as Commissioner. He was PCGG chair before the appointment.
In a radio interview at DZMM Sagot ko yan, he made mention of a hybrid process of election, manual at the precint level and electronic transmission to the canvassing (municipal, provincial, national).
Perhaps our CPMers IT experts and electoral experts could give their views on this. It’s only a few months from now before candidates fole their COCs but they have yet to approve and bid out the mechanism/s to be used.
Victinluz says
Maganda , mas mahirap dayaain ng PCOS…the COUNTER CHECKING will be more accurate…dagdag lang ng kaunting minuto or an hour from the original electronic countings all troughout the election… KUNG walang ballot box or ballots switching or deliberate pronouncement of wrong candidates names during counting coupled with KWARTA giving or GUN intiimidation….
Victinluz says
CPMERs ….Mamas BOY MAR said ,,,JUDY ARANETA ROXAS an OLIGARCH will do the talking….naku po papaano tayo nyan ,,,dapat makulung si BINAY , si DUTERTE at si LACSON and GRACE must be disqualified for MAR to win as P on 2016…..ha ha GLORYA the grafter will fully support ROXAS the TUAZONs had already bargained for Roxas … ESPANOL de PATATAS ..tuluy ang ligaya ni PADRE DAMASO sa PILIPINAS.
Victinluz says
MARCOS-ARANETA are on the outside looking for an opening ,,,MAR ROXAS din sila….he he … Come on CHINESE BILLIONAIRES give 1 billion pesos to ROXAS , 1 billion pesos to PING ,give 500 million to DUTERTE in case he will run , who ever wins …masaya pa din tayo he he tuluy ang TAX EVASION natin may kanya kanya naman tayong alagang taga BIR diba?
Victinluz says
Pag President na si Roxas , may patayan sa JOLO let us say a political vendetta , Mommy JUDY papaano ang gagawin nating maganda,,, TAKBO sa NANAY …Help Help help….
Tapos , sasabihin nya kay MAR, anak ilibing na si the APO sa libingan ng mga bayani , nakakahiya naman kay Imelda at always remenber si IRENE at BONG BONG by afffinity ARANETA mga iyan , HAYAAN mo na ang mga Cojuangco -Aquino , they will understand later , History will deffend you and so with the ILOKOSLOVAKIA REPUBLIC …he he
WECANDOIT says
there are two lines of araneta people. one line is araneta with the araneta university and this is the line of the araneta husband of marcos daughter. the other line is with the araneta center in cubao and this is the line that mar belongs to. the two lines are not related at all.
much as i really like president obama and other self-made people who are leaders, in the case of self-made millionaire binay it is totally bad news. in the case of mar roxas. his not being self made like binay should not be taken against him especially if his record of public service is good. and since he is already economically affluent means to me that he will be more focused on making and leaving a legacy for which he will be respected, loved and remembered.
Victinluz says
Google the family of Atty Louise Araneta Marcos….pinsan ni MAR at near relative pa nila si Rafael Salas…google the Tuazon’s …you may change your staement @WECAN DOIT…How ca he make a LEGACY when this early he asked HELP from his mother the OLIGARCH ARANETAs..for a higher percentage LIKINGs to the Filipino people, HOW?
Victinluz says
Greggy Araneta so as Atty Louise Marcos were cousin of the same BLOOD LINE…near KAANAK ni MAR ROXAS…
uprightbike says
I will rely less on google… like googling the [email protected] I will rely on my personal knowledge. My sister and I worked with one branch of the Aranetas. My sister being the executive assistant, mayordoma, alalay of one of the lady aranetas. They are not related to the Aranetas who owned the Araneta Colisuem which Judy belongs. The two Araneta clans, however, are both political enemies of Marcos. I still remember our boss fuming because one of the cousins will marry a Marcos. That was when I became aware that there are two Araneta clans in the country. One with Judy’s and the other is the family that owns Araneta University Foundation, FEATI University among others. They are the ones who became in-laws of the Marcoses. I just want to set the record straight. OK. TRY to google Joe Concepcion of Concepcion Industries.
baycas says
@janufebu,
Sometimes Google has some things to “offer.”
Victinluz says
It does not say so here especially Atty Louise Marcos , it says she belongs to the Araneta Clan of Cubao…unlesss FOUNDLING si Don Gregorio Araneta of the Araneta Foundation… They have to prove also that they will not help the Marcoses…WHY TAKE THE RISK in FACT MAR was of LOW PERCENTAGE of WINNING against BINAY or even POE…..NOW that MAMA’s BOY pala , di mas lalo pag nasabak ang ating BANSA sa MALAKING SIGALOT …tatakbo kay NANAY JUDY
Victinluz says
Si NANAY JUDY rin ba nya ang nagsabing si KORINA ang pakasalan mo para it will acquire more votes when you run for higher position? KAWAWA NAMAN si KORINA 2nd fiddle lang pala sya…mahirap natin IBOTO ITONG si MAR ,, walang sariling disposisyon kung ganoon pala..
kalakala says
tanong: “na Si NANAY JUDY rin ba nya ang nagsabing si KORINA ang pakasalan mo para it will acquire more votes when you run for higher position?
sagot: walang news/tv report na ganoon. very clear you are barking at the wrong tree.
iyong isang senador po ang nakapag-asawa dahil si brenda sa senado ang kanilang tulay. kumagat naman itong artista na ito dahil the trapo senator promise her the malacanang during the courting period. (you can find this sa interview ng nanay ng artista)
kawawa naman itong artista dahil pumayag to be second fiddle.
KAWAWA NAMAN si KORINA 2nd fiddle lang pala sya…mahirap natin IBOTO ITONG si MAR ,, walang sariling disposisyon kung ganoon pala”
chit navarro says
You are very right there on Mar Roxas’s side of the Araneta’s.
Besides, Sec. Mar Roxas is doing excellent service to the country from the time he joined the government. I do not remember any news about the mother meddling in his political life. If she supports him, its natural – she is his mother and she has a great heart, It’s still a long way to election day and when he has filed his CoC and has resigned from his cabinet post and start campaigning, his ratings will definitely soar.
Until CoC’s are filed, we do not really know who is in or out.
For now, its STOP BINAY MOVEMENT.
kalakala says
kaya nga may kasabihin na mother knows best for her child/children.
mas mabuti nga sa nanay tatakbo hindi sa trapong kasamahan. our mothers are our first teacher. the first to teach us how to pray, the first lips to utter the word respect to us.
walang ina na ilagay sa alanganin ang kanyang anak. sino ba namang ina ang pagsigawan sa buong bansa if not to the whole world na kaya ng anak ko ang maging president (maliban nalang kung may tama)?
kalakala says
continuation: …kung walang basihan ang kanyang pinagsasabi?
Victinluz says
Iyan din ba ang sinabi ni NANAY JUDY nya noon ( mother knows best ) noong ikinampanya nya si MAR sa pagaka VP noong 2010,, at TINALO sya NI BINAY… Itinuro din ba ni nanay JUDY na WAG NYANG KAKALABANIN si GLORYANG MAGNANAKAW NOON at saka NGAYON?
WALA ba syang sariling kakayahan na sya ang mangampanya na sya ay may pag asang manalo dahil maganda ang PAMAMALAKAD nya ngayon at noon at DAHIL si GLORYA and her minions ay KAKAMPI NYA?
kalakala says
kindly inform me his working relationship with ex pres. gloria arroyo noon at ngayon kasi honestly i can not recall na naging trapo si mar dahil kay ex pres arroyo. less evil ba si mar?
Victinluz says
@kalakala ..during the period of Glorya especilly that GARCI scandal , tumahimik sya he never voie out any against GLORYA…the fact hindi nya BINATAN si GLORYA lalo na noong kinasuhan si Glorya , anong ibig sabihin din noon ? Kaaway nya si GLORYA? Pag si POE ang natahimik kay Binay ,, kakampi nya si Binay …pag sya ang natahimik noong panahon ni Glorya at saka ngayon? hindi sya TRAPO ni Glorya….DID MAR ever fought BONG BONG last election? kahit anong pagtira ni Mar sa kanya…bigyan mo nga ako @kalakala ng scenario,, baka may nakaligtaan ako…. Ang paggamit nila kay NANAY JUDY nya , it did not look him better , lalong LUBUG sya nyan….
BFD says
Roxas was not a cabinet secretary anymore after the 2004 election, he was elected as a Senator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar_Roxas
On December 10, 2003, Roxas resigned from his post to prepare for his senatorial bid under the banner of the Liberal Party in the 2004 elections. Roxas said that he needs to separate his work in DTI from his work as a candidate, and added that his resignation did not surprise the President. He was succeeded by Cesar A. V. Purisima, former chairman of the accounting firm Sycip, Gorres & Velayo
karl garcia says
Me nag edit kaya ng Mar Wiki to provide confusing info. Purisima was(and is) DOF secretary, how could he have succeeded Roxas as DTI sec.
Juan Santos yung DTI sec nung Hyatt 10 days(sa wikipedia ko din nakuha yan)
canadadry says
NOTHING WRONG WITH MAR ROXAS MOM CAMPAIGNING, ALL PINOY MOTHERS UNITE!
Para sa akin, for a man whose public service is untarnished by corruption, ok lang ang Mom to do the campaigning for now. Mas gusto ko kung sasamahan din siya ni Susan roces at iba pang mga nanay. This will shape up as a fight by all mothers against corrupt sons of a binaytches.
I would rather have this Mom campaigning instead of TT and JVitlog doing it for me plus B’s reputation of unchallenged corruption (unchallenged kasi B has not refuted clearly by contrary evidence the accusation that he is unabashedly corrupt parang B even sees his corruption as a badge of courage and ok lang sa mga Pinoys).
baycas says
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/694912/mar-roxas-mom-please-dont-forget-my-son
moonie says
nice for mum to plead, did not demand, did not entice like if you vote for my son, he will donate his pay to the people like what that candidate from ilocos said during campaign. incidentally, ilocos candidate won, but I have no way of knowing if winning ilocos candidate actually donated the pay. baka promise lang, baga joke, and the people fell for it.
Sup says
You choose:
1: a candidate with no corruption history and a loving mother asking polite for support ( Korina did promise to be silent 6 years)
2: a candidate loaded with corruption, missing friends, (horse racing, cockfighting gambling addict), a wife loaded with scandals (and botox), al least 3 children loaded with money (like 68.000.000 (for having been a P.A. of candidate for 10 years), worms eating the foundation of the city they have under control ( the worms they use to eat the hidden skeletons maybe), a son who is so lazy he needs an elevator to go to the second floor (or maybe he can not walk the stairs because his pockets are to heavy with stolen money?_
I go for candidate 1?
I am still thinking to find a real reason to not vote nr 2…
:-)
Parekoy says
@VictimLost,
Your spins are good enough in the disqus sections of PDI and other publications, but unfortunately wil not pass the scrutiny of the spinmeisters here in CPM!
For that, you are a VictimLost in sea of facts!
:)
Vhin AB says
I’m beginning to see this scenario in light of the upcoming 2016 elections. Magtatanim ng haka-haka tapos gagawa ng konklusyon mula sa haka-haka. Ang pinakamalupit ay paniniwalaan ang sariling konklusyon na nagbase sa haka-haka. Tsk tsk. We need proof!
Propaganda at its best. Let’s scrutinize every word and accusations hurled against any potential candidate. Huwag basta palusutin.
Victinluz says
@PAREKOY: Let us SEE then who will LOST he he …punta ka sa gilid gilid ng bangketa @parekoy ..sa MASA until now ayaw kay MAR ,,,ang HIRAP IBENTA TALAGA…..si DUTERTE o si ROBLEDO …ang makakasama nya , panalo itong dalaawa si MAR TALUNANA iyan…. Lalo na siguro kung makakalaban nya itong dalawa sa ONE on ONE…. ZERO si MAR …mlles ang hahabulin nya kahit alin sa dalawa…..MABANTUT si MAR…..ang TAO/BOTANTE rather vote for BINAY than ROXAS…
leona says
Zero si Mar Roxas?
>b>Bilang: Si Mar R., Si Judy Araneta, Si [email protected], [email protected] at si Ako!
Lima na! Marami yun! Sa English: ‘are’ na kami.
Si Duterte? . . . 2 Words 1 Finger! Tatlo lang. Tatlong utot!
Si VP Binay? . . . Eh, Lima lang din: si VP, si Mrs., si Mayor Junjun, si Nancy at si Abigail.
Di bali mabantut basta hindi ma – UTOT! Si VP very punong utot tuwing nadidiin, kaya waaa gustong mag vp!
Utot Man! ha ha ha
sam says
off topic
Binay’s camp downplayed Senator Grace Poe’s signing of the Senate blue ribbon subcommittee’s report recommending plunder charges against Vice President Jejomar Binay, his son Makati Mayor Junjun Binay, and other individuals in connection with the allegedly overpriced Makati City Hall Building 2.
“How can an open-ended and one-sided investigation be considered credible? A reasonable and independent mind would make a conclusion only after a fair and impartial appreciation of the allegations, which should be based on evidence and not merely relying on surmises and illegally procured ‘evidence,”’ Quicho said
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My reaction ..
they (the binays) was invited several times to air their side .. but they refuse to appear… and challenge to bring the issue to proper forum.
Now, are they putting up a comedy show?
yvonne says
I wrote three different posts to answer some questions thrown my way but my posts disappeared on me.
I will wait for one day and if they don’t show up and will recompose my posts.
balayang says
Plese do ☀
balayang says
Please, please do☀
baycas says
Spooky…
Well, the more you post…
The higher the ‘ghosts.’
baycas says
[Pampagana]
Wi-Fi…
Wa fee…
Weeee…
Wish-Fil thinking na sana magkatotoo…
http://technology.inquirer.net/42444/free-public-wi-fi-bill-approved-on-third-final-reading
Rene-Ipil says
Grace is not entitled to a Philippine passport.
The Philippine Passport Act of 1996 provides:
“A passport, being a proclamation of the citizenship of a Filipino, is a document that is superior to all other official documents.” (Section 19)
Instead of a passport, a travel document is issued to persons whose claim to Philippine citizenship is doubtful or who are stateless. (Section 13e)
“If the applicant is an adopted person, the duly certified copy of court order of adoption, together with the original and amended birth certificates duly issued and authenticated by the Office of the Civil Registrar General shall be presented:” (Section 5g)
In case of an adopted person like Grace, why is the original birth certificate necessary?
It is because our laws provide that adoption does not grant citizenship. Meaning that the citizenship of Susan does not adhere or attach to Grace. So the original birth certificate of Grace is required because Grace must follow the citizenship of her biological parents, IF KNOWN.
Accordingly, Grace must submit also to DFA her foundling certificate together with the amended birth certificate. But since Grace is a foundling, the citizenship of her real parents are unknown. Grace’ claim to Philippine citizenship is not only doubtful. She is in fact a stateless person. And she is not entitled to a Philippine passport. But she could be issued a travel document when necessary.
leona says
‘Di yata nag a-apply yun sina sabi mo dito. . . I am sure Senator Grace Poe has already a Philippine PASSPORT.
:-)
Rene-Ipil says
Puede ma-cancel for mis-representation as natural-born Filipino citizen. Wala naman siyang pinagkunan ng pagiging Filipino. Mula sa tunay na nanay lang siya makakakuha ng nationality niya dahil walang effect sa kanya yung UN Convention.
caliphman says
So you believe your opinion is more credible than Atty. Macalintal on Poe being a natural born citizen by virtue of a UN convention that thr Philippines was a signstory? May I inquire how many cases have you argued before the Supreme Court, Rene?
baycas says
Ooooh…
If that wasn’t ad hominem…
I don’t know what is…
Oops…
The definition Manung Jusip gave me which I just cited above shouldn’t have been “legal.”
I forgot we’re in the Court of Public Mind…
baycas says
Ito na lang siguro…
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
Oh, btw, the above dictionary now carries “WTF,” “NSFW,” also “meme” yata…
baycas says
Ooooh…
How time flies…
http://time.com/3896800/merriam-webster-update-nsfw-dark-money-wtf/
caliphman says
Its not ad hominem. There was no reasoning or argumentation to support the claim that the relevant UN Convention did NOT confer natural born citizenship to Poe as Atty. Macalintal publicly maintains. Its substance has has to be evaluated based on the authority and credibility of who made the statements. I tend to believe Macalintal because of his record whereas Rene even overlooked Article 2 of the said Convention
baycas says
I believe there is an object of permanence when the 1961 U.N. Convention Article 2 is enforced.
Article 2 will confer a policy of implementing jus soli (the right of the soil) principle on foundlings. It differs from domestic law which dictates a jus sanguinis (the right of blood) principle.
Article 12 par. 3 specifies to wait for some ‘matter’ to take place before Article 2 can be enforced.
If you consider the international agreement a treaty then that ‘matter’ is “ratification” and, perhaps, also “concurrence” by the Senate due to its ‘permanent’ implication or impact on our nationality law.
These steps may therefore be prerequisite/s. Absent such precondition/s, the U.N. Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness won’t apply.
baycas says
Cross-reference: No. 48.1 here:
http://raissarobles.com/2015/05/25/can-we-trust-the-milf/comment-page-1/#comment-302103
baycas says
This is in relation to the comment above on “international agreement” in reply to @caliphman (still awaiting moderation at present):
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UNHCR Good Practices Paper Action 9
Acceding to the UN Statelessness Conventions
1954 U.N. Convention ratified: yes; 1961 U.N. Convention: not yet. (As pointed out in the two-comment mini-thread here by @Rene-Ipil:
http://raissarobles.com/2015/05/25/can-we-trust-the-milf/comment-page-1/#comment-302086)
baycas says
@caliphman,
The first sentence of the comment in moderation should read:
baycas says
Was the U.N. 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness given a “provisional effect?”
http://www.gppb.gov.ph/laws/laws/EO_459-1997.pdf
The above-linked 1997 Executive Order 459 states:
(Emphasis mine.)
“Provisional effect” was defined in the same order as:
baycas says
In EO 459, “National interest” was defined as:
Rene-Ipil says
Whether permanent or provisional, we cannot give effect to the 1961 UN Convention because we are not a party to said Convention. But maybe the Philippines can accede or adopt it on its own in the interest of stateless persons or those with doubtful nationality. Indeed, we are moving in the right direction with HB Nos. 952 and 1584 now pending in congress since 2013, which bills empower the Immigration Board to act on applications for recognition of Philippine citizenship of foundlings [Chapter 4, Section 10(e)].
baycas says
You are right, @Rene, because the Philippines is signatory to only to one U.N. Convention on Statelessness, that is, the 1954 U.N. Convention…not the 1961…
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/4a2535c3d.html
I am trying to fish a discussion from @caliphman inasmuch as he volunteered to write one in relation to Macalintal’s citation of the 1961 U.N. Convention as justification for stateless Grace Poe’s questionable citizenship (See #48 in the previous blog post).
Victinluz says
Atty @Rene… Few years back it’s easy to get a passport so was to produced birth certificate like late registration and others…. The 1st one who saw Grace in the church could have registered her already (simulated one) so as the Haciendera who was an avid fan of Susan prior to the adoption of the POEs…Or maybe in some of Grace birth certificate especially the 1st one had stated the TRUE parents of POE….may kaibgan kalang KOMADRONA ( mga nagpapaanak sa mga Barrio’s )who will sign your birth certification , attested by the Barngay Captain and thas it , you will have one….EARLIER all of these possibilities Grace doesnt know it …let us compute @atty RENE ….I AGREE with you that from the time Grace was found in the church up to the her adoption by the POEs there must be other birth certificate and it could not be only one…..Susan must be hiding something if she knows but just ro protect their Sonora’s reputation but to accused GRACE of lying , i dont think so….amd if EVER there are really more TRUTH to come out about GRACE,,,it will be a conclusive positive responses FAVORING GRACE and i think if she will be a candidate to VP or P to whatever political parties she will be…MANANALO sya even to a point na KAPATID nya si BONG BONG they will vote for HER and not Binay or Roxas or anybody else….
Victinluz says
As you said [email protected] ,, the WILL of the Filino people is the sovereign power that will concurr the
lapses of Grace birth issue, but not the Graft of Binay nor the Human Right abuses of DUTERTE ,LACSON on the kuratong baleleng and other Presedentiable contender/pretender….IMHO lang po wag magagalit….
balayang says
So she is ABOVE the law because she is, popular with PINOYS ???? Onli in de Pelipins , FIFA ba ?????
Rene-Ipil says
Sa totoo lang ang pakiwari ko ay panalo si Grace kung lalabas na anak siya ni Marcos. Panalangin ko lang ay sundan niya ang ugali at panuntunan nina FPJ at Susan para panalo rin tayo. Kaya lang sa ipinakikita niya ngayon ay Malabo. Tingnan mo yung ginawa niya kay Purisima at pananahimik tungkol kay Binay. Pinahamak pa si PNoy sa Mamasapano. Biased siya against Napenas. Palagay ko drama lang ngayon yung kay Binay.
Subalit wala tayong magagawa kung aminin niya lahat tungkol sa pagkatao niya at patuloy na iboto ng mga tao.
Kung maging presidente si Grace, ililibing na ba si Marcos sa libingan ng mga bayani? Kaya ba niya si Imelda? Tanong nga sa kanya ni Osmeña ay “kaya mo ba?”
Victinluz says
Hmm.. may punto ka dyan @atty Rene….. may kulang ang Mapapasano reports…kahit ako kulang ang mga nasangkot ,, and i also believe PNOY should also be held liable…sa atin dapat wag syang pumayag na ipalibing sa bayani ng kagitongan,, pero sa kanya kung anak mga sya at pwersahin sya ng mga Marcos,,mas mahirap syang HUMINDI…
Pickers1368 says
@Rene-Ipil, masyadong complicated ang citizenship issue although you were able to articulate it. It looks like an overkill to me because if that case could be established, she may not even qualify for a seat in the Senate. Come to think of it, her inaction or belated knee jerk reaction in some ways (Binay) or somewhat myopic stand on the Purisima and Mamasapano probes did not measure well to some people’s yardstick but they are only unpopular not illegal, let alone border or hover into the realm of impropriety. Sa tingin ko mas maiintidihan ng marami yung lack of residency requirements kasi isa sa mga basehan, for one, ay yung mismong COC na file nya when she ran for Senator.
Trillanes is right when he went after Binay the moment the latter announced his intention to run. The standard and level of scrutiny changes. It cannot be the same as when one is running for a senate or house seat.
Percival says
Let’s see what the Binay camp will do to counter the “damage” done by Grace to her ninong. If they see that this citizenship or residency issue is worth to be used as the bullet to “kill” her, the Binay camp will exploit the issue or any other issues they could use against Grace. Knowing the Binays, they would resort to any tactic to save their skin by ruining their adversaries. Otherwise, I am inclined to believe that these are all drama. Mere verbal exchanges between them only benefit Grace more and increase her chances for the P in 2016
vander says
@rene-ipil,
probable ang mga inihain mo sa post no. 33.2.2.
yan din ang rason kaya hindi ako interesado sa kanya.
at sana hindi na muna siya tumakbo bilang prez.
vp pa maari kong pag-isipan pa.
at uulitin ko ang tanong mo: “Kaya ba niya si Imelda?”
:)
yvonne says
I’M POSTING THIS FOR CALIPHMAN:
As I mentioned earlier, I joined the discussion on Grace Poe solely as an intellectual exercise with no intent to either support or oppose her potential candidacy, as I remain neutral on her. It just so happened that the discussion centered on her citizenship and residency.
To put it into a level playing field as far as the discussion on Grace Poe is concerned, I’m posting here her side of the story which seems to have not gotten into the mainstream media. The event was the Bulong Pulungan Media Forum. Here is part of the official transcript of Sen. Grace Poe’s interview, published on March 18, 2014:
Q: How long were you in the States and what did you take up in Boston University?
Poe: I took up Political Science. I lived in the States for about 12 years.
Q: What state?
Poe: Virginia, but I studied in Massachusetts in Boston
Q: What was your status there? Immigrant?
Poe: My husband is a dual citizen so he is a US citizen then. I was an immigrant to the US. So I tell you this so that it will finally resolve the issue, then I became a US citizen, and a dual citizen at that but when I took the role as the MTRCB chair, I had to renounce it because I am a government official and when I did so, I had to go to the US Embassy and they didn’t want to revoke my citizenship. They were saying, don’t worry, your job is not really…in short the MTRCB for them is just like a secretary level, not policy. So they said that I should go ahead and keep it but I said, No. I can get in trouble with the law so I had to give it up. So it was perfect, so when I ran for the Senate I had to present to the COMELEC all of these documents. My renunciation etcetera.
Q: Why did you choose politics instead of showbiz?
Poe: Because I don’t have the face for showbiz? (laughs) I was more interested in social issues and process. My parents had that exposure but they felt frustrated because they couldn’t really do much, in government you can do more.
baycas says
Ang pinag-ugatan pa…
http://web.archive.org/web/20130411134626/http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/04/10/13/how-fpj-susan-roces-adopted-grace-poe
leona says
Ms Grace Poe. . .‘She said a couple told the parish priest about the foundling but that no one came forward to claim her .. .’
Sino yun ‘a couple’ kaya? If Sen. Poe runs for President, will a court or Comelec Com. accept this quoted statement as credible. . . ‘hearsay’ evidence against her if she offers it or offered by a complainant against her?
baycas says
‘Sin’ to reveal?
baycas says
[VIDEO]
Not a sin to reveal…actually…
But a Sin figured in Grace Poe’s life.
leona says
‘sin’?
We’re going very far into this. First, ‘foundling.’ How can it be a sin to be a foundling?
he he he
baycas says
“Foundling” status already in the open.
Nothing to reveal.
“Inkling” of people re: ‘real’ parents may still be hidden.
A sin to squeal.
moonie says
now, grace is using the dead cardinal sin, helping her get adopted daw.
balayang says
:-)))))))
baycas says
[VIDEO]
Hindi po ito tsismis to the max. Panoorin na lang po sa ibig manood.
baycas says
At who plans daw???
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/inside-track/93089-citizenship-grace-poe-campaign-2016
yvonne says
Kulang yung article ng Rappler at nakalimutan isama ang kampo ni Duterte courtesy of Rene-Ipil. LOL.
baycas says
:-)
Part of the game…
raissarobles.com/2015/05/15/i-will-not-drop-sabah-claim-president-aquino-told-me/comment-page-2/#comment-300306
baycas says
Never fear
Her magic’s here…
http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2015/05/30/the-poe-magic/
moonie says
baka hindi pwedeng sabihin king sino talaga yong ‘couple’ dahil gay yata o kaya lesbians sila, he, he, he. the foundling story gets better with age: the church becomes jaro cathedral. tapos, yong pahayagan where the announcement was made about a foundling, that particular pahayagan is still anonymous and could not be named. state secret yata ang pangalan ng pahayagan and not accessible to the public. kindly tell which pahayagan, grace, and does it exist?
considering na hindi maitim, at masyadong maputi ang balat ng foundling na si grace at medyo mestasahin pa, palagay ko marami at pila-pila ang kukupkop nyan. the ‘couple’ mentioned would have to fight their way in just to get their hands on baby grace.
and to say that a foundling was left at church and that no one came to claim the foundling is hard for me to believe. we often hear people brazenly going to maternity wards in hospitals just to steal babies. even baby sitters cannot be trusted dahil they have been known to steal babies and selling them.
vander says
parang narinig kong: she was adopted by heart ni ferdinand poe jr.
moonie says
daddy was orator, ang galing magsalita in all political matters, corrupt naman. baby daughter has inherited the genes yata, magaling magsalita rin. but baby daughter is poor in writing reports, her mamasapano report looks amateurish.
kalakala says
@yvonne, kindly clarify this Q & A. ano ba ang ibig sabihin nito in relation to her citizenship and/or residency? ibig sabihin ba nito ay natural-born fil citizen sya at nagiging us citizen dahil sa kanyang asawa?salamat
Q: What was your status there? Immigrant?
Poe: My husband is a dual citizen so he is a US citizen then. I was an immigrant to the US. So I tell you this so that it will finally resolve the issue, then I became a US citizen, and a dual citizen at that but when I took the role as the MTRCB chair, I had to renounce it because I am a government official and when I did so, I had to go to the US Embassy and they didn’t want to revoke my citizenship. They were saying, don’t worry, your job is not really…in short the MTRCB for them is just like a secretary level, not policy. So they said that I should go ahead and keep it but I said, No. I can get in trouble with the law so I had to give it up. So it was perfect, so when I ran for the Senate
I had to present to the COMELEC all of these documents. My renunciation etcetera.
yvonne says
@kalakala
Medyo malabo yung sagot ni Grace sa tanong, parang iwas pusoy siya.
The way I interpret her answer, she was saying that his husband was a US citizen, then he become a dual-citizen also. (He is probably still a dual citizen because I did not find any repatriation record of him, only that of Grace.)
Grace was also saying in her answer that she immigrated to the US, probably based on her husband’s petition who was then a US citizen. Grace became a US citizen, then became a dual-citizen, then she renounced her US citizenship, and is now back to being just a Filipino citizen. The records seem to support this sequence of events.
When Grace became a dual Filipino-US citizen, it validated or legally confirmed that she is a natural-born citizen because under our law only natural-born citizens can acquire dual citizenship (without undergoing a naturalization process.) So far, so good for Grace.
Rene-Ipil questions the validity of Grace being a natural-born Filipino citizen because she was a foundling, arguing that it was a mistake for her to be granted a natural-born citizen status because of her being a foundling. Rene also pointed out that when Grace ran for the senate she indicated on her COC that her residency is 6.5 years which would make her residency 9.5 years only by the time of next year’s presidential election, making her disqualified as a potential candidate because she would be short of the 10-year residency requirement.
I defended Grace on these two issues: Firstly, I argued that Grace currently has a legal natural-born citizen status by virtue of her being granted a dual-citizenship and by her being qualified to serve as a senator. The burden of proof is on the person who would question her being a natural-born citizen, and that would be a very tall order. Secondly, I also argue that the 6.5 years residency Grace shown in her COC can be explained or rectified in many ways so that should not really be a big hurdle should she decide to run for P or VP.
On the negative side, I pointed out that based on Grace’s repatriation record, and back-tracking the dates or events, she was most likely still a US citizen when she accepted her appointment as chair of MTRCB, and only gave up her US citizenship officially before she ran for the senate.
The transcript of her interview seems to validate my finding. Grace was saying that when she accepted her appointment she renounced her US citizenship (before a Philippine government official) but when she went to the US Embassy (she had to renounce it twice – before a Philippine and before a US government officials) she said that the US official did not want her to revoke her US citizenship because the MTRCB position “is just like a secretary level, not policy” level.
Grace explanation is suspect at best. It would appear that a foreign (US) official was interpreting a Philippine law for her, and that the official was unwilling to take her renouncement in spite of the fact that she already made the same act before a Philippine official. It sounds like a “palusot” to me.
As I said before, I’m neutral on Grace. I will both defend and criticize her based on my evaluation of the information before me, pursuant to our goal of seeking the truth regardless of political affiliation. I’m also neutral on Roxas, so if anyone has any issue with Roxas I will both defend and criticize him depending on the circumstances. I’m only biased against Binay and Marcos – on all others, I take a neutral position.
yvonne says
@kalakala
Yung sagot ko sa iyo ay nawala, siguro dahil medyo mahaba-haba. Hintayin natin kung lalabas, pag hindi, muli kong isusulat.
kalakala says
@ yvonne
ok lang po kung hanggang ngayon ay hindi pa napost iyong sagot nyo. dahil medyo mahaba-haba am sure it is worth waiting for not for me alone dahil am sure relevant yon.
caliphman says
Thank you, Yvonne. Not for me but for everyone who comes here to learn untainted facts about important personages and events. Its one thing to post personal opinions here and another to misrepresent unsupported speculation as fact. I do not hold myself out as the final arbiter of faulty speculation but when I repeatedly find errors in the facts or logic of accusations by a chorus of cpmers here, I am compelled to speak out.
Rene-Ipil says
Binay wanted to be the Lee kuan Yew of Makati.
“Between being loved and being feared, I have always believed Machiavelli was right. If nobody is afraid of me, I’m meaningless.”
Binay did not say that. It was Lee Kuan Yew. Maybe they were both feared and admired by their respective constituents. Binay is a lawyer like Lee Kuan Yew. But he similarities end there. While Binay is corrupt to the bones, Lee kuan Yew was the epitomè of integrity.
So the right formula if we want to emulate Singapore is to have a leader who is both feared and admired, and most importantly honest.
And I could think of ONLY one man in our midst. I would vote for a president who could minimize, if not eradicate, the drug menace in our country. For that reason alone. Moreso if my president could ensure peace and quiet in Metro Manila and the archipelago. For peace and order is the condition sine qua non for economic prosperity.
We are now in a dire economic situation and rampant lawlessness which need radical solution. And I now return to my previous post. Only DUTERTE could fill that need.
I disagree vehemently that BINAY is the Lee kuan Yew of Makati. But I do agree absolutely that DUTERTE is the Lee Kuan Yew of Davao City.
BTW Davao City comprises of about 244,000 hectares of land. Singapore has about 71,000 hectares. And Makati City has about 2,000 hectares. Davao City is the ninth safest city in the world. Singapore is fourth.
I don’t know Duterte personally. Any CPMer or any body who knows him personally should educate us some more about him. Good or bad.
Parekoy says
Takot yan si Duterte sa mga bigtime na mga sindikato.
Isang bala lang yan si Duterte pag nag-move sya against sa mga Druglords. Protektado ng Militar at mga Senador at mga Pulitiko. Si Sotto ang maghahain agad ng imbestigasyos sa Davao Death Squad at suportado ni Future Senador D5! Impeached yan agad.
Duterte is a warlord in Davao City who solves a crime with another crime!
Kung si Pineda eh minumura ang mga heneral na parang utusan sambahay eh uurong ang bayag nyan ni Duterte sa mga tulad lang ni Atong. Pano nya babanggain si Chavit? Pano nya babanggain yung 3 Hari sa customs kung sa mga alipores pa lang nito eh takot na sya
Puro porma ang tawag dyan. Si Digong ay mayabang lang sa mga pipitsuging kriminal. Nagbabayad sa NPA para di guluhin ang Davao City at bahag ang buntot sa mga Ampatuan at Mangungudatu. Kumbaga Maton ng Davao City lang sya at pagdating sa Maynila di uubra ang pagkamaton nya dahil nag-iisa lang sya at napapaligiran ng mga criminal coddlers. Sya rin ay isang criminal tulad ni Binay.
Mas takot ang mga kriminal sa mga bruskong malandi. Takot sila kay Pinky! Kahit si Erap takot kay PingBalelengBading!