Or two years after becoming MTRCB Chief
Exclusive by Raïssa Robles, @Yvonne and @Baycas
When Senator Grace Poe took her oath to become Movie and Television Review and Classification Board (MTRCB) chief in 2010, did she already drop her US citizenship as required by Philippine law?
Senator Poe told GMA News last month that she did.
In fact her exact words were:
“Hindi ako maglalakas-loob na tumanggap ng posisyon sa gobyerno, sa MTRCB pa lang, kung hindi ako kwalipikado at hindi ako Pilipino.”
“To revert back to Filipino citizenship, ire-renounce mo lang ‘yung US citizenship mo. ‘Yun lang ang ginawa ko. ‘Yun kasi ay condition ng Dual Citizenship Law. Hindi iyon to-reacquire Philippine citizenship kasi it reverts back to that automatically.”
Her statements, though, still raise the following questions:
How and when did she renounce her US citizenship?
Was the mere act of taking an oath as MTRCB chief tantamount to a renunciation under Philippine and US laws?
Or did she have to do anything formal to renounce her US citizenship?
Or was the oath a sufficient proof under Philippine law that she had already renounced her US citizenship when under US law that might not still be the case?
Finally, how do we now reconcile her claim with this US government record showing she had “lost” her US citizenship only in 2012 – two years after becoming MTRCB chairman but one year before running for senator?
UPDATE: As of 4:44 P.M., June 10, 2015
Senator Grace Poe’s chief-of-staff, Atty. Nelson Victorino, posted this on Facebook in response to this blog post:
“In response to Raissa Robles’ assertion that Grace Poe only dropped her US citizenship in 2012 as shown by a document from the US State Department, allow me to state that:
She had dual citizenship but she voluntarily renounced her US citizenship by filing a sworn statement with the US State Department prior to her assumption as mtrcb chair in 2010 or early 2011. But as the process in renunciation of US citizenship goes, you file your sworn statement of renunciation but as a matter of course, the state department does not issue any official document of acceptance because as far as they are concerned by that action alone, you are no longer an american as i was told by my friends from the US Embassy. So it appears that eventually there was confirmation by the state department which as it does merely confirmed what has been done much earlier. On the other hand, per legal requirement and as far as the Philippine government is concerned, she renounced it under oath prior to assumption of office at mtrcb, and that is all what is needed whether or not the US acted on that to me does not matter much. Because in the first place an act of renunciation does not carry with it a request for approval of such renunciation. It is simply a unilateral act with immediate effect. By her acts starting with that filing with state department would attest to such renunciation like she no longer used her US passport, in fact she applied for a tourist visa at the embassy which was granted and no longer considered herself as a dual citizen but just simply filipino since that renunciation.”
It was “Yvonne”, a commenter on this site, who first pointed this out to me – that the US government formally recorded a “Llamanzares Mary Grace Poe” as losing her citizenship only in 2012.
This document contains the following explanation:
DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
Internal Revenue Service
Quarterly Publication of Individuals,
Who Have Chosen To Expatriate, as
Required by Section 6039G
AGENCY: Internal Revenue Service (IRS),
Treasury.
ACTION: Notice.
SUMMARY: This notice is provided in
accordance with IRC section 6039G of
the Health Insurance Portability and
Accountability Act (HIPPA) of 1996, as
amended. This listing contains the name
of each individual losing United States
citizenship (within the meaning of
section 877(a) or 877A) with respect to
whom the Secretary received
information during the quarter ending
June 30, 2012. For purposes of this
listing, long-term residents, as defined
in section 877(e)(2), are treated as if they
were citizens of the United States who
lost citizenship.
You can view the document below:
You can download this document by clicking here.
Baycas, another commenter on this site, pointed to the very same thing some weeks later.
I asked both Yvonne and Baycas not to post their discoveries as comments until I had examined the issue further.
Upon further examination, it seems two things are clear.
First, Senator Poe was even then aware that under Philippine law a dual citizen has to renounce non-Filipino citizenship before taking up any appointive or elective position in government.
The Commission on Filipinos Overseas, a state agency, elaborates on this requirement on pages 55 and 56 of its online handbook. See below:
Civil and Political Rights and Liabilities Attendant to Dual Citizenship
Filipinos who retain or re-acquire Philippine citizenship under the law shall enjoy full civil and political rights and be subject to all attendant liabilities and responsibilities under existing laws of the Philippines and the following:
1. Those intending to exercise their right of suffrage must meet the requirements under the Constitution, Republic Act No. 9189 or “The Overseas Absentee Voting Act of 2003” and other existing laws;
2. Those seeking elective public office in the Philippines shall meet the qualifications required by the Constitution and existing laws and, at the time of filing of the certificate of candidacy, make a personal and sworn renunciation of any and all foreign citizenship before any public officer authorized to administer an oath;
3. Those appointed to any public office shall subscribe and swear to an oath of allegiance to the Republic of the Philippines and its duly constituted authorities prior to their assumption of office, provided, that they renounce their oath of allegiance to the country where they took that oath;
In fact, Senator Poe herself told reporters last May 18:
Poe: Ako’y naging dual citizen noon, but I had to give it up. Kinailangan kong isuko iyan. Pinapayagan natin ang dual citizen dahil nakikita natin na maraming OFWs na tumitira sa ibang bansa, pero may pagmamahal sa bayan at kailangan pa ring bumalik dito. So may dual citizen. Pero ang kondisyon niyan, kapag ikaw ay maninilbihan sa gobyerno, sa ano mang posisyon, kailangan ay isuko mo kung ano man ang naging isa pang citizenship mo.
The second thing clear is that by the time she ran for the Senate, she was already formally dropped from the list of American individual taxpayers.
But now comes the not-so-clear part – was she qualified to become MTRCB chief when she was appointed in 2010?
Because it seems a US citizen does not automatically lose citizenship by serving in a foreign government. Here is a discussion on this from the US Department of State website, which only talks of a “Possible Loss of US nationality” after being appointed or elected to a post in a foreign government:
http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/citizenship-and-seeking-public-office.html
Advice About Possible Loss of U.S. Nationality and Seeking Public Office in a Foreign State
Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)) states that “the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only to individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. Employment, while over the age of 18, with the government of a foreign country or a political subdivision thereof is a potentially expatriating act pursuant to Section 349(a)(4) of the Immigration and Nationality Act if you are a citizen of that foreign country or if you take an oath of allegiance to that country in connection to such employment. Such employment, however, will result in one’s expatriation if done voluntarily with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship.
The Department has, however, adopted a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. nationals intend to retain their U.S. citizenship when they naturalize as nationals of a foreign state, declare their allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the military forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities against the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government. This administrative premise is not applicable when an individual fills a policy-level position with a foreign government. In such cases, the Department of State will carefully ascertain the individual’s intent toward his or her U.S. nationality.
Because the Department presumes that U.S. nationals employed in non-policy level positions in a foreign government do not have the requisite intent to relinquish their U.S. nationality, U.S nationals employed in such positions are not required to present evidence of an intent to retain their U.S. nationality when they commenced their employment with the foreign government. On the other hand, because there is no administrative presumption that U.S. nationals who hold policy-level positions in foreign governments necessarily intend to retain their U.S. nationality , efforts are made to adjudicate fully such cases to determine the individual’s intent. Certain policy level positions are inherently incompatible with retaining U.S. nationality. Cases of this nature generally involve heads of state or foreign ministers. Except with respect to these positions, the Department will not typically consider employment in a policy-level position to lead to loss of nationality if the individual says that he or she did not intend to lose their U.S. nationality and if the individual’s actions were consistent with the retention of U.S. nationality. Actions consistent with the retention of U.S. nationality include, but are not limited to, travel on a U.S. passport, voting in U.S. elections, payment of U.S. taxes, maintenance of a residence in the United States, etc.. In any event each policy-level position case is fully evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
An individual filling a non-policy level position will lose his/her U.S. nationality if he or she indicates an intent to relinquish U.S. nationality and if his/her behavior subsequent to accepting or performing the governmental duties is consistent with an intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Examples of behavior inconsistent with the retention of U.S. nationality are use of a foreign passport, non-payment of U.S. taxes, failing to vote in U.S. elections, not maintaining a residence in the United States, etc. For further information about possible loss of U.S. nationality and seeking public office in a foreign state, please contact:
Express Mail
Director
Office of Legal Affairs (CA/OCS/L)
Bureau of Consular Affairs
U.S. Department of State
600 19th Street, N.W. -10th Floor
Washington, D.C. 20431
Fax: 202-485-8033Regular Mail
Director
CA/OCS/L
Washington, D.C. 20522-1710
Based on this explanation, I don’t know if she lost her US citizenship when she took her oath as MTRCB chief. Is the office considered a policy-level post?
One way to find out, I guess, is to ask her when she last paid taxes to the US internal revenue service. And exercised her right to vote in a US election.
I asked @Yvonne to check the years before 2012 to see if Sen. Poe was included in a similar list. @Yvonne did not see her name in previous lists.
Perhaps there was a lag time between the formal renunciation and the dropping of people who have renounced their citizenship from the taxpayers list, I said. But @Yvonne expressed doubts that the US bureaucracy would be so behind doing such a list which would have an impact on paying taxes.
Once Senator Grace Poe renounced her US citizenship, what kind of citizenship did she revert to?
She is a foundling. But the story of how she was found appears to be changing dramatically.
Earlier, we were told – and it made for a very good telenovela – that in the early morning of September 3, 1968 a woman named Sayong Militar had approached the font for holy water and discovered “an infant wrapped in a blanket and covered in blood.”
But the story has now changed to this – that the baby was “found” by a cockpit worker named Edgardo Militar, not by Edgardo’s relative named Sayong. And more confusingly, Edgardo was probably Grace Poe’s father.
The initial questions begging for answers are – where was Grace Poe’s mother? Why was the newborn baby not with the mother but with the father?
I must confess that I was told by a lawyer weeks ago that there would be attempts to question Poe’s citizenship through her birth records. I thought this would be done next year yet but I was wrong.
The lawyer told me that the only sure way to naturally confirm her citizenship is if her birth mother surfaces. She would be around 70 if she were alive today. Surely, she knew what had become of her child, given the tightness of communities then and the countrywide popularity of actors Susan Roces and Fernando Poe Jr.
As for me, the circumstances of Senator Poe’s birth is not important. How she handles the issue is what’s important.
And even more important is Senator Poe’s answer to the following issues:
ONE – What does she intend to do with the pending cases against the Marcoses? And with the fact that the bulk of their ill-gotten and stolen wealth is still hidden abroad? To begin with, does she even (as evidence overwhelmingly shows) think that the Marcoses did stash ill-gotten wealth and should now return the money to the government?
TWO – What is her stand on the South China Sea issue? Will she enter into joint exploration, knowing full well that China will only agree to it if it is done in the context of their sovereignty?
THREE – What is her stand on the criminal cases of Senators Juan Ponce Enrile, Bong Revilla, Jinggoy Estrada and former President Gloria Arroyo? Will the justice department under her watch continue to backstop the pursuit of these cases?
FOUR – What is her stand on any cases that might be filed against President Benigno Aquino once he steps down from office?
These are the questions I’m eager to learn her answers to for now.
Enrico says
First, you have to wait her declaration if she will run for President or not. That is the first question that you should ask yourself Raissa.
raissa says
why?
Enrico says
Masyadong premature mga pinalalabas mo eh hindi pa naman siya nagpa file ng candidacy at di pa nagdecide kung kakandidato sinisiraan mo na.
raissa says
?
baycas says
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RIGHT TO A NATIONALITY
(Right to belong to a country)
Natunghayan natin dito ang istorya ni Baby Andrew:
http://raissarobles.com/2015/06/09/us-government-records-sen-grace-poe-
dropped-her-american-citizenship-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-306415
Si Baby Andrew ay ginawaran ng SC ng Japan na maging Japanese citizen sa dahilang
tumutupad sila sa mga alituntunin ng (1) U.N. CHILD CONVENTION ACT at ng (2)
JAPANESE NATIONALITY ACT.
Sa dalawang legal na instrumentong ito, AWTOMATIKONG naging Japanese
citizen si Baby Andrew.
Ito ang halimbawa ng pag-aaruga o pagkakalinga ng Estado sa isang “stateless” na si
Baby Andrew – na isang sanggol na ipinanganak sa isang bansang may ipinaiiral na
jus sanguinis nationality law (o right of blood) at hindi alam kung
sino ang mga magulang.
“Stateless” dangkasi ang “Children born of unknown parents in a jus
sanguinis country” (gaya ng Japan at Pilipinas). Ayon ‘yan sa UNHCR Ad
Hoc Committee on Statelessness and Related Problems.
baycas says
Dito ang link tungkol kay Baby Andrew:
http://raissarobles.com/2015/06/09/us-government-records-sen-grace-poe-dropped-her-american-citizenship-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-306415
baycas says
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Noong ika-16 ng Mayo 1949, napatunayan din sa isang pag-aaral ng U.N. na ang mga natagpuang abandonadong mga sanggol at hindi alam kung sino ang mga magulang ay “stateless” din. “Foundlings” na ang katawagan sa kanila noon pa man.
Ngayon, bigyan natin ng halimbawa ang isa sa mga “foundlings” na kunwari’y natagpuan dito naman sa Pilipinas sa siyudad ng Alaminos kamakailan lamang…sabihin nating noong ika-7 ng Hunyo 2015.
Baby Marciano ang kaniyang pangalan na bansag ni Mr. Egay Sundalo na siyang nakapulot sa abandonadong sanggol.
Ipinarehistro ni Mang Egay ang bata ayon sa itinatakda ng proseso ng Civil Registration.
baycas says
3/4
Ito ang nilalaman ng dokumentong dapat kinumpleto ni Mr. Sundalo at sinertipikahan naman ng Civil Registrar ng Alaminos City…
baycas says
4/4
Ang bawa’t nilalang na tao ay may karapatan “to belong to a country” ayon sa Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Ang bawa’t bata’y may karapatang mapabilang sa isang bansa ayon sa Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC):
…at ayon din sa International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR):
May awtomatiko na bang “nationality,” “citizenship,” at/o tuwirang pagkakakilanlan si Baby Marciano sa puntong ito matapos ang paggawad ng Foundling Certificate sa kaniya kung ihahambing kay Baby Andrew…na automatic na Japanese (o natural-born Japanese) sa unang rehistro pa lang?
Ano na ang dapat na kasunod para magkaroon si Baby Marciano ng tuwirang pagkakakilanlan dito sa Bansang Pilipinas bilang isang mamamayan at nang sa gayo’y magampanan ng Estado ang layunin nitong pangalagaan o protektahan ang mga karapatan ni Baby Marciano?
Anu-ano ang mga nakasaad sa Konstitusyon, mga batas, at jurisprudence para matupad ang kaniyang pagiging isang ganap na Pilipino kasunod ng pagkakaroon ng Foundling Certificate?
baycas says
For Baby Marciano and others with similar case…
S.B. No. 2844
[’15 JUN 10 P6:17]
AN ACT AFFORDING STATUS TO A DESERTED OR ABANDONED CHILD WITH UNKNOWN PARENTS
baycas says
Related news: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/503078/news/nation/lapid-files-bill-granting-status-to-foundlings
wan says
ako melon ploblema. ako si wan, isang dual sicktizen. gusto ko tatag paltylist tawag paltido ng mga dual sicktizens. gusto ko ako lepresentavie o isa sa mga membel namin na dual sicktizen din. pero kelangan namin ng maglenouce noong aming foleign sicktizenship. pelo amin goal bilang isang dualista paltylist ay plotektahan ang mga lights at pleviligio ng isang dualista. gusto namin contribute sa filipinas kasi kami ay natural born din na sicktizen kaya lang di pa kami lenouce ng aming other sicktizenship.kaming mga dualista mahal namin ang filipinas sa isip sa salita at sa gawa. di kami tulad iba filipino na sabi mahal nila filifinas sa isp sa isip at sa salita lang pelo wala sa gawa.. ako bilib kay glace poe, iboboto ko siya kung di tatakbo si dutelte. si dutelte bilis sa action, husay gawa…melon vigilante justis, mga tao sa davao di bilib sa justiis. GOD IS GREAT HAVE A BLESSED DAY mabuhay ang mga pinoy at ating inang bansa FILIPINAS
NHerrera says
A PRIME EXAMPLE OF MIND AND MOUTH NOT IN SYNC — AN ORWELLIAN WORLD
The Philippine Star — Game on for VP Binay in 2016
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Amid the barrage of graft accusations and charges of plunder against him while he was still mayor of Makati City, embattled Vice President Jejomar Binay finds comfort in the June 5 pastoral letter issued by Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas.
…
The Vice President quoted Archbishop Villegas calling upon the Filipino electorate “to reject the notoriously corrupt.” But the Vice President hastily added the rest of the statement of the CBCP leader asking the faithful to “reject the evil-doers.”
In his pastoral letter, the complete statement of Archbishop Villegas was: “Reject the notoriously corrupt, but neither should one readily jump on the bandwagon of condemnation in the absence of incontrovertible evidence, for, these days, one’s reputation, so painstakingly built by sincerity and honesty over the years, can so easily be tarnished by the truly evil work of ‘spin-doctors’ in the payroll of one or the other political aspirant!”
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Further than the quote above, I sayeth not.
leona says
Independence Day Philippine Republic!
Looks like many are not happy. Nothing to be happy about it. Corruption is here and there. Everywhere at that.
Independence of or from what? From USA? From Spain? From Japan?
June 12, 1898 went on to July 4, 1946. By later law it is the 1898 Independence but was grabbed by another. Independence did not materialize. Disappointment. Frustration. Denied. All Historical facts.
Nevertheless, Filipinos sustained themselves to it and endured on their (In)Dependence Day for almost 50 years!
In the meantime during those 50 Years, our Filipino Leaders started learning and learned to prepare for self-governance. Learned so many things.
1946 or 1898 – years later whichever came first or later, was it any different to what was then to what is the now? What really is independence or Independence?
Let’s us celebrate and be happy what we have now. And work things out for the good of this country of ours. We cannot have another frustrations, disappointments or denials. Let us make things work.
Let us do it. With purity in our hearts and boldness in spirit.
Mabuhay Ang Kalayaan Ng Pilipinas!
vander says
PHL celebrates its 117th year of Independence today June 12, 2015.
Liberty is of no equal. Yes, you and I love our freedom.
And this day will be more meaningful kung lahat sana ng Pinoy ay malaya na sa gapos ng kahirapan.
balayang says
Happy Pinoy b/day sa buong Pinoyland ☀
Ka Enchong says
Mabuhay ang sambayanang nagtataguyod sa tunay na diwa ng Kasarinlan!
Mabuhay ang mga mamamayang patuloy na tumatangkilik at nagbibigay-buhay sa malayang pamamahayag!
Mabuhay ang makabuluhang talakayan at paglalahad ng mga kurukuro dito sa CyberPlazaMiranda!
Mabuhay ang sambayanang Pilipino!
vander says
break muna.
lubhang mainit na ang balitaktakan.
magkape muna tayo.
robusta lang ang nabili ko kahapon.
…..http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/502626/news/nation/marcos-slammed-for-alleged-machiavellian-move-to-craft-alternative-bbl….
vander says
dagdagan na rin ng pampalibang:
…http://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/national/p-noy-can-only-offer-binay-fair-playar-BBkYSmj?ocid=SK2CDHP…
.
Ka Enchong says
Pampalibang?
Pang-aliw ba ang ibig mong sabihin?
Iba kasi ang ibig sabihin ng “libang” sa Bisaya, e. Kapag binigyan natin sila ng pampalibang, sa banyo ang punta nila.
vander says
may iba palang meaning un..:)
sa amin ay pang-aliw, pang-alis ng inip o iritasyon.
pelang says
ikaw naman @Ka Enchong, nagpapatawa ka. In our waray dialect, libang means entertainment and nagkalibang is the other meaning.
leona says
Sigue! Kape muna.
Tambay says
Ayaw sa BBL ng Malacanang gusto sarili nyang BBL. Epal talaga!
moonie says
he would have to hire kit tatad, renato corona, tiglao and others to draft his new version of bbl. the mother will probably put her snout into it and do some tweaking as well.
vander says
nawalan na kasi ng papel.
kaya hayan, trying very very hard.
pero imo, wala yun, butata yun…
baycas says
Happy Independent Day to all…
Oops…
Independence Day pala!
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baycas says
[PATALASTAS]
Break muna sa blog topic…
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/697746/sc-bares-salns-of-justices-jardeleza-is-richest
SA LaNgit nawa ang pagpapala sa paglalabas nito…
baycas says
Kung may PNoy “be ready” kay Poe…
May Sereno “be ready” rin sa mga katoto…
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/697667/sereno-judiciary-preparing-for-challenges-questions-come-election-season
baycas says
Labasan muna ng yaman
Baka kasi may gahaman
Na mapagkakamalian
Sa kaso’y nagpayaman
Victinluz says
I am waiting for a BIG FISH here for @Parekoy – the LIAR to be proven and convicted of BRIGANDAGE of LYING…..a BICOL SARO – latest survey for President anf others….he he ….tapos ka nito @parekoy…gabos na hambugon mo ubos he he
Parekoy says
Panalo na si Binay! Yehey!
Panalo na si Poe! Yehey!
Panalo na si VictimLost! Yehey!
Panalo na ang Matandang Asong Ulol at Lasing pa ng CPM! yehey!
Panalo na ang Asong Ulol! Yehey!
he he he
Sarap pala mag troll…
hehehe
vander says
amigos, kayong dalawa, tama na muna ang inyong pagka-aliw sa isa’t-isa…:)
request ko lang po, ceasefire na muna…huhuhu…pls..
trivia muna para sa “Sarap pala mag troll…”:
noong bata pa ako, enjoy din ako sa pagto-troll.
pananalap o pananakag ang tawag sa amin sa term na trolling.
sa lawa ng Laguna, kapag panahon ng hipon, nagto-troll ako.
madalas ay sa madaling-araw ako tumutugpa.
dahil dry season(dec to feb), ay naku, napakalamig ng tubig!
noon(early 70’s) ay sariwa pa ang hangin sa baybayin ng lawa.
ang nahuhuli ko sa pagto-troll ay hipon, dulong, sisiwa, maliliit na ayungin at paminsan-minsan ay maliliit na biya.
yun, ang sarap mag-troll!
dagdagan ko pa ng konti.
alam nyo yung bumbon?
pag kaming mag-aama ay namandaw ng bumbon, ang nahuhuli namin ay dalag, hito, karpa, biya, banak, gurami, duhol, martiniko-oo may martiniko pa noon, at yung talandi o maritatas, maliliit na karpa na matinik.
maghapon kami madalas sa lawa.
sa tanghali ang aming inuulam ay yung huli rin namin. sariwang isda na isinisigang namin sa sampalok.
ang pangsabaw naming tubig ay mula sa lawa.
ngayon ka gumamit ng tubig-lawa kung hindi kumulo ang tiyan mo..:)
at sa mga nabanggit kong isda noomn limang uri na lang yata ang natira sa lawa ng laguna.
kung malapit kayo sa lawa ng laguna ay makaka-relate kayo sa wento ko na walang wenta. hahaha…
NHerrera says
vander,
Nabangit mo yung dalag. Sa akin, parang ginto yun ngayon. Hindi ko na nakikita. Pagka sinigang yun at isama sa kaluluto pa lang na kanin, parang langit sa lupa sa akin. Pag may kandidatong magsasabi na kung siya ay manalo sisiguraduhin nyang paparamihin at mura ang isdang dalag, boboto ako sa kanya. :-)
vander says
oo nga @nherrera,
konti na lang sa Laguna Bay.
pero marami pang dalag sa candaba swamp sa pampanga.
at sa baybayin ng manila bay, sa mga palaisdaan ng bulacan hanggang pampanga.
mas gusto ko ang dalag sa Laguna Lake.
mas malambot.
Pickers1368 says
igarantya ni binay ang abundans at murang presyo ng ayungin at ikakampanya ko sya
Parekoy says
Noong kabataan ko eh pagkatapos ng ani eh yung dalag, hito, at puyo eh huli namin. Maputik pero masaya.
Yung hito (catfish) eh maingat ako dyan dahil sa tinik. yung dalag eh madalilang yan. yung puyo eh masyadong energetic at talon ng talon.
Inihaw lang namin yan at may kamatis, sibuys, kalamansi at sili. tapos kamayan na at sa dahon ng saging at nakalatag ang kanin na may dahon ng pandan! at ang panghimagas namin ay manibalang na mangga!
Those were the days sa palayan at maliit na palaisdaan!
balayang says
I had the most sumptuous broiled fish at a marketplace in Osaka ☀
vibora says
@vander
sa wento mo eto ang wala, tulya, tilapya, ayungin,parows at kalabanga (hindi isda ang huli).
Pickers1368 says
Yung dulong ng palad wala na yatang makukuha ngayon, pareho ng martiniko. tapos ginto ang presyo ng biya kahit dalawa o tatlong klase lang ang luto dun. ang heven na heven sakin yung sinigang sa bayabas na ayungin. waw to day por.
Rene-Ipil says
Ang masarap nito Vander ay yung Ayungin na huli sa pukot. Sa tabing dagat ay tutulong ka sa paghila ng lubid ng pukot at pagkatapos bibigyan ka ng isang kalderong Ayungin na pangsigang sa kamatis o sampalok na may sibuyas at asin. Yung laki sa tabing dagat (hindi lawa ang tawag) lang ang,puedeng kumain ng Ayungin. Yung iba ay mahihirapan. Kungdi man ay tinik ang aabutin nila.
Vander, Inabutan mo pa ba yung mga lungga ng biya. Kailangan malalim at mahaba ang hininga mo bago mo mahugot ang biya sa lungga sa malalim na lugar ng dagat.
vander says
hahaha,
meron pa ring [email protected], sa patag-araw, mawawala lang pag kumukulog na.
madalang pa noon ang tilapya at yung malaking variety na pla-pla.
oo, may paros pa nga noon.
at ang kanduli nga pala. native pa noon. maliliit pa.
wala sa aming kalabanga, o baka yun ang susong papan.
at syempre ung kuhol at susong pilipit. hehehe.
seaweeds, digman at hinlalabi.
idagdag pa ang water lily at lumot..
may dulong pa [email protected]
oo, patok ang sinigang sa bayabas na ayungin at biya.
ginto na nga ang biya saka ayungin na 3 daliri ang lapad..:)
sa hagonoy, bulacan, marami pa ring ayunging palaisdaan.
alam mo pala ang [email protected] at tama ka, dagat ang tawag namin, hindi lawa.
meron pang iba-ibangng paraan ng paghuli dito ng isda, , baklad, pasadsaran, sima(kalabukab), takilis, sukob, dala, bikatot, galay, bintol, sikit, patanga, suro, tiksal(salapang), sambaw, bubo(at yung higante-skylab), kaladkald, kahig, biyakos, patanglaw, meron pa, di ko na ma-recall. hindi na ako tumutugpa sa dagat.
vander says
@vibora, oo nga tulya. wala ng paros. noon konti pa lang ang tilapia. wala pa ring pla-pla.
ano yung kalabanga, yun ba ang susong-papan?
may kuhol pa, sisi at susong pilipit. at kanduli. may digman pa at hinlalabi(seaweeds) noon. ngayon yata water lily na lang at lumot ang makikita.
may dulong [email protected] oo patok din sa amin ang ayunging sinigang sa bayabas.
alam mo pala ang [email protected] tama ka, dagat din ang tawag namin sa lawa.
marami pang ibang pamamaraan dito ng paghuli ng isda na hindi na makikita pa ng mga bagong sibol: may baklad, pasadsaran, bubo, skylab, bintol, sima, tiksal(salapang), bikatot, biyakos, kahig, suro o sakag o sikit pag malaki, sukob, dala, galay, pailaw, takilis, salap, etc. hindi ko na ma-recall. 80’s pa ang huli kong pamamalakaya sa amin.
balayang says
In our pukok we had milkfish, malaga and crayfish, We also had tiny crabs but I forgot what they were called in the vernacular .
Parekoy says
Talangka.
Mas marami yan pag may patay na hayop o taong lumulutang sa ilog.
nakasampa sila sa water lilies.
balayang says
Eww, that’s gross!!! We never had a dead dude in our fish farm, dead fish maybe but never a dead mammal. And yet at the end of the fish harvest I remember the whole farm would be swarming with YABBIES ? or Talangka. Are there fish farms in
Bicol, Parekoy ??
Parekoy says
Bicol River.
Pag baha na merong nalunod na hayop o tao.
Rene-Ipil says
Meron pang mas malaking pakinabang sa dagat ng Laguna. Yung kabataan siguro mga ten years old ay pupukpukin ng labaha habang ngumangata ng dahon ng bayabas duon sa patuto malapit sa dagat. Pagkatapos nang pukpukan ay bubugahan ng bayabas juice – pwahh – sabay takbo sa dagat para mahugasan. Malinis at malinaw pa nuon yung dagat.
balayang says
I still can picture my dad taking his morning swim in Lingayen Gulf ☀
NHerrera says
Yes, them were the days. Long live the CPMers who appreciate those days.
Pinay710 says
HAYYYYpag ganito ang usapan lang ako nakaka silip ng pagkakataon sumabat. Sarap isipin ang kabataan. SANA’Y MAULIT MULI sabi nga ni gary v. At TO DREAM THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM na maibalik muli.
Salamat sa trivia mga matatalinong CPMers.
Pickers1368 says
Oops tapos na ang commercial break. Tuloy na ang Pacquiao-Mayweather bout.
Kamison says
nuong kapanauhan?
sa cabalen, pagka-ani ng palay – mga dagang bukid at ginagawang adobo.
pinapalo at binabalatan ng buhay.
sa bukid balon, mga palaka @ ini-ihaw.
sa ilawan kapag tag-init, mga bubuyog, at kung minsan – kuhol sa ilog.
pagkain ng mga anak-pawis (magsasaka.)
Parekoy says
Victin,
Ginugudtaym lang kita.
Pero malamang na ma-ban ka rito pag dumami ang nagreklamo sayo.
Pero ako, gusto ko lagi andito ka para masaya!
he he he
Victinluz says
I dont care @PAREKOY kahit ma BAN ako basta malaman nang lahat ang KATUTUHANAN…he he marami naman akong ginagawa lalong lalo na pag class will begin on Monday …paminsam minsan nalang uli tayomg magkita…..lahat naman kayo dito na kumuntra at na mersonal ay well explained ang side ko he he….KAYA lang naglalabasan ang mga taga ROXAS he he , may Roxas sa ISABELA may ROXAS sa CAPIZ maroong dind ROXAS sa may LUNETA ang Roxas boulevard he he….alum @parekoy ..ceasefire muna tayo ,,, ang mga BINAY hindi na dapat palitawin dito -ang BULUK nya hanggang langit na pero honestly sa survey na sususnud BINAY parin ant mas mataas kaysa kay Roxas…
Victinluz says
At saka may mga kasamahan naman ako sa BLOG na ito na kakilla ko …ipasa kulang ang survey o ang gusto kung isulat nya dito or i can commment on his account diba he he…F.O.I…he he
Victinluz says
Naku mga CPMERs WAG KAYONG MANIWALA KAY @PAREKOY……URAGON na Bicolano sya…ignorant daw ako at HINDI daw totoo na sikat si BINAY sa BICOL….Linabasan ko nang 2010 election results BINAY panalong panalo laban kay ROXAS…..supalpal sya … ang geniusity nya pala ay may kasamang LYING he he……Ang mga commments nya pala ay BOLA BOLA lang…
Parekoy says
CPM,
Tama si VictimLost!
1.Uragon -Magaling daw ako!
2. geniusity
3. Lying- Totoo yan, kasi I’m lying with a pretty chiching!
4. BOLA-BOLA – totoo yan dahil sabi ng chiching ko eh “MOLA-MOLA” kasi stuffed maigi sya!
Panalo na si Binay! Yehey!
Panalo na si Poe! Yehey!
Panalo na si VictimLost! Yehey!
Panalo na ang Matandang Asong Ulol at Lasing pa ng CPM! yehey!
Panalo na ang Asong Ulol! Yehey!
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VictimLost,
I apologized in advance kasi lasing din ako at nagtatampisaw kami ng chiching ko sa kaligayahan!
Yehey!
Happy na Poe kami sa mga kontribusyon mo dito sa CPM!
Yehey!
Copy paste ulit!
Yehey!
Troll mo ulit!
Yehey!
Talo mo rin ang kababaryo ko na Hiyaw ng Hiyaw sa kalagitnaan ng Gabi!
Yehey!
:)
PS
VictimLost,
Hayan, sana happy ka na dahil pinatulan na kita kasi parang kulang-kulang ka eh!
Yehey!
he he he
oh, wipe mo muna ang bumubulang bibig mo hah?
Yehey!
:)
Victinluz says
He he sino kaya buwang he he diba ang LIAR na KAPTID ng MAGNANAKAW he he..
Parekoy says
Yehey!
Toma pa!
Yehey!
Panalo na si Poe!
Panalo na si VictimLost!
Yehey!
he he he…
Victinluz says
Ha ha i dont if you are the same @parekoy o baka ka pangalan mu lang na nabuking kung , gumagawa ng mga engineeering or math calculation na pam bobola o mali mali noon.. He he parekoy din ang @parekoy din ang name nya e…. Sito din sa blog na ito ,kung hindi ako nagkakamali sa topics after Corona…..sa Spartlys or something …teka flash back ako kung saan he he … Nahuli ku na ang liar na ito noon e @parekoy din ang name.
balayang says
Your TANTRUMS are ENDLESS; I think a humongous PACIFIER won’t do, maybe a STRAIGHTJACKET ??? Have you NO
SHAME????? This is RAISSA’S BLOG !!!!! NOT YOUR BULLY PULPIT !!!!! STFUP ☻☻☻
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Victinluz says
Uy nasaktan si @balayang …maka Roxas sya….ikaw siguro ang straight jacket…wala ka ngang comment dito na sa iyo naggaling ..puro kinopya mulang he he..TANTRUMs pala ngayon ang katotohanan o DIE HARD ROXAS ka? He he ikaw dyan ang BULLY he he but it wont works for me..
Victinluz says
Walang sinabi si maam @Raissa dito na wag aatakihin si ROXAS dahil ang sa akin kahit experience politician na si ROXAS , INCOMPETENT pa rin ang manok mo @balayang he he…basta hindi ako ang unang na mersonal dito sila he he …wait and i will study your comments @balayang baka marami kading KABULASTUGAN na isinulat dito….break muna – punta muna ako sa school ko he he @bye BALAROXAS
Sup says
Hoi VictiMluz and Pari Koy
Did you two never finish your day care…bata… :-)
balayang says
YOU ARE CERTIFIABLE, VEXTIN; GO TO HELL :-)))
Victinluz says
A moron like @ Balayang patis in Balayan Batangas is an expert of EMBALMATOLOGY …he he
Victinluz says
Certified LIAR ka also @Balayang …go to HELL – but bring an air conditioner for your LIE’s to be FROZEN and PRESERVED he he puso mo atakihin kana dyan… Talo na si Roxas ,, kay DUTERTE lang tapos na kayo.
balayang says
Honey buns, I don’t need aircon . . . .central air ditoy UHM what does an imbecile know about cardiology ????
UMB :-)))))
balayang says
YOU NEED TO BUY A NEW STYLE MANUAL FROM NYT, ABULOY KO SA IYO :-))))
Parekoy says
Independent = Party-DUH!
Sa larangan ng labanan sa pagka-Presidente at VP, ang kandidato ay dapat may partido!
Kahit anong lakas mo sa surveys, sa makatotohanang mundo ng eleksyon, kailangan mo ang partido para meron kang makinarya para maprotektahan ang mga boto mo simula sa precinct level hanggang sa national level.
Noon, si Enrile ay may partido na, pero gumastos pa para sa Dag-dag Bawas kasi alam ni Enrile na yung boto nya eh delikado maglaho kaya magbayad na lang at madagdagan pa!
Si Jack Enrile na under pa ng UNA at may name recall, eh nadale pa kahit pasok sana, eh ayaw ni PNoy kaya di kasama sa mga Senador na nakaprgrama sa 60-30-10 ng Hocus-PCOS!
Kung si Roxas nga na under ng LP, na may makinarya at sangkatutak na poll watchers eh nadaya pa, eh pano pa kaya pag Independent ka at wala kang partido at pa-angkas angkas lang?
Kaya kung gusto ni 69 Shades of Greys Poe na malaking tsansa manalo eh kailangan huwag syang pauuto kay Chiz na pareho silang Independent! Si Chiz, eh Hudas yan, at malay nya eh pakawala yan ni Binay?
Pag Independent ang isang kandidato eh para syang nagbigay ng partida sa mga kalaban.
Kaya ang tawag ko sa mga bobong kandidato na gustong maging independent eh meron din silang partido,
ang Party-DUH!
Parekoy
09-12-2015
Parekoy says
The search ain’t over till the Fat-nutsa President sings!
It ain’t over till the fat lady sings!
A lot of speculations going on: “Sino nga ba ang anointed na Presidential at VP Candidate ni PNoy?”
Ang katunayan kaya ang ibat-ibang partido eh di makagalaw o makaporma ng kani-kanilang mga pambato sa darating na May 9, 2016 elections eh dahil ang moves nila ay depende sa decision ni Fat-nutsa Aquino kug sino ang kanyang manok sa 2016! Pag nakapagpili na si Aquino saka lang bubuo ng kani-kanilang mga pambato at mga tactical alliance sa LP at UNA. Yung NP at NPC eh nangangarap na sana eh makuha nila si 69 Shades of Greys Poe. At ang mga gustong lumhahok sa hanay ng LP ay makati na ang mga kamay dahil kailangan na ang pondo sa kani-kanilang probinsya at distrito. Kaya ang iba ay inip-na-inip na.
Di rin maiiwasan ng mga commenters ang magpahayag ng kanilang napupusuang manok sa pagka Presidente at pagka VP. Meron pang matandang asong ulol na pag sa tingin nila eh inaatake mo ang kanilang amo eh nag-lalaway at bumubula ang nguso at paulit-ulit ka nyang dadambahin at kahol ng kahol at di mo maiwasan na kunin ang baril mo at baunan ng bala para sa mercy killing!
Parekoy says
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Habang tinitimbang pang maigi ni Fat-nutsa Aquino kung sino sa tingin nya ang balanseng tambalan na siguradong mananalo at the same time eh makakprotekta sa kanya sa illegal DAP na kaso as number one criteria at maipagpatuloy ang kanyang mantrang Tuwid na Daan, eh ang mga Pilipino na ang favorite past time eh pulitika, eh gusto kong maibahagi ang kanilang mga agam-agam sa darating na 2016!
“Roxas-Poe” , sigurado yan sabi ng mga maka LP at kontra Binay…
“Poe-Roxas” , dapat lang na si Poe kasi mas may laban yan dahil sa surveys…
“Poe-Chiz” , ang mga itinutulak ng mga kakampi ni Binay para may insurance…
“Poe-Chiz?” , di pwede yan kasi si Aquino ay pipili lang ng miyembro sa LP, eh mga walang partido yan, ayaw pang mag-miyembro ng LP, sabi ng malapit kay Drilon at Erice…
“Duterte!” , sabi ng die hard na taga Davao City, para naman tumaba ang Manila Bay…
“Roxas-Trillanes” , banggit ng isang miyembro ng Magdalo…
“Roxas-Cayetano” , ang ginagapang nila Villar…
“Roxas-Lacson” , para balanse ang ekonomiya sa peace and order, sabi ng Intsik na supporter ni Lacson…
“Binay-Poe” , ang hangad ni Erap…
“Poe-Binay” , ang suggestion ng nangangatog na nasa inner circle ni Binay na nasa inner circle din ni PNoy…
“Binay-Aquino” , ang recently na confidential request ni Binay kay PNoy through Balsy at Peping…
“Poe-Bongbong” , ang sabi ng mga loyalistang KBL na Ilokana…
“Roxas-Robredo” , banggit naman ng taga-Bicol na supporter ni Leni…
“Erap-Binay” , sabi ng isa pang anak sa labas ni Asiong…
“Binay-Erap” , sabi ni Heart pag si kalaban daw ay Poe-Roxas para daw makadalawang explosion si Chiz sa araw na manalo si Erap, at di puro daldal lang daw sa kama…
“Dick-Supsup” , ang biro ng taga Olongapo na fan ni Gordon at ni Shamcy…
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At siyempre, may kulang sa pansin na gustong mapag-usapan at ang message eh:
“Poe-Kiko” , ang twit ni Shawie
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At sagot ng ayaw masapawan na Queen ng pagkaTaklesa eh:
“Poe-Kimo-mapanghi” , ang twit ni Krazzy!
Parekoy
09-12-2015
Sup says
”VictiMluz- Pari Koy” , comedy capers, endless discussions no solutions, time to block IP’s ….
yvonne says
A PERSONAL MESSAGE TO GRACE POE’S SUPPORTERS
When I first come across the “Grace document” I took my time to evaluate and did further research before sending it to Raissa. I know that its publication is going to be controversial, but as Alan puts it (#48.4), “It’s all going to emerge eventually, anyway. The story could emerge late, nasty and twisted for weaponized use by political spin doctors, or it could emerge early, factual and straightforward in this blog as a subject for rational debate and discussion.”
We have been converging in Raissa’s blog for many years now, and even if sometimes we clash in our opinions, we develop certain bond and respect with one another that I consider valuable. That is why it was a hard decision for me to be the one to disclose the information because I know that there are many CPMer’s here who are Grace’s supporters, many of whom I consider my friends although I know you only here in Raissa’s blog site. I have more information on Grace than I disclosed because I think those additional information are irrelevant on the issue at hand, and I respect her privacy.
A few of us here strongly believe that Grace Poe is the only candidate that can beat Binay, and therefore we should close our eyes on anything that might be detrimental to Grace, such as the issues of her citizenship and residency. I’m sorry, but think it is really a very bad idea.
If we believed that Grace is the strongest candidate to beat Binay, if we believed that she is qualified to run for president, and if we believed that she is the best candidate to become the next president, then, by all means, let us put her citizenship and residency status front and center at this early stage to clear any doubt as to her qualifications.
The worst thing that can happen is if we are lulled into complacency, joyfully riding the Grace popular bandwagon, but only to be blind-sided at the last minute with a Binay-gambit.
Did anyone ever think about the consequence if the only viable candidates for the presidency were Binay and Grace (the others will just be token candidates) and after the deadline for the filing of COC Grace were disqualified by the COMELEC, or Supreme Court, on either the residency or citizenship issue? Oh, my God, we would have given the presidency to Binay in a silver platter! Has anyone ever thought about that?
In fact, I’m suspecting that it might be in the Binay playbook already when the Binay camp declared that he would not question Grace’s qualifications. Yeah, right! Does anyone believe that? Yes, lull Grace into complacency and then at the last minute have his minions question her qualifications before the COMELEC, or the Supreme Court. Disqualify Grace after the deadline of filing of COC and Binay is the next president!
So let us be rational and have fair discussions to put to rest any doubt about her qualifications. Let us not give the presidency to Binay in a silver platter. If she survives the scrutiny, she should run by all means. If not, maybe she should remain a senator and make a run for the presidency the next time around. The discussions have nothing to do with being pro or anti-Grace. It is about what is in the best interest of the country.
Let the legal luminaries dissect and debate the issues so that they may have a clearer picture of what lies ahead before the deadline for the filing of COC, and not be blind-sided later. Let us not give the presidency to Binay in a silver platter. Let us all prepare for a good fight for the sake of our country.
Victinluz says
@yvonne…the way you laid down your researched here were more of an inducement and entraptment for the readers mind to arrive that GRACE is a dishonest person .
@yvonne go back to your comments down below you said something to @attty TIZON-after explaining to you his opppinion of Grace residency and on @atty TIZOns analysis pros and cons but on the last part, it favors Grace…..remember what you had posted in the last part of your commment….itagalog ko ha something like ” may ilalabas ka pang PIECE kaya lang ay pauunahin ko muna si Grace na magsalita or wait for Grace statement on an interview ” WHAT are you justifying here [email protected]” for Grace to commit a mistake?
That UN CONVENTION ,,hindi namin alam ito ni @caliphman – isa ka sa naglabas nito and categorically stating that POE was not qualified because she was born on 1968 but the effectivity dat of that Convention was on 1975…It turned out you were wrong on this Conventio as your evidence..MASISI mo ba kami nyan , ikaw naglabas nyan hindi kami.
Wala namang nagbabawal sa iyo na maglabas ka ng ano man dito – but we are also free to critizise your commments here. Pag may itinatago ka pang piece dyan kamu then you are waiting for us including @attty TIZON to commit mistale…entraptment and inducement to an UNFAIR DISCUSSIONna ito @yvonne…opinion lang ito pero wag kang papaniwala kay @parekoy na may asong ulol na gagaligaliti pag ang commets ay laban kay POE no @YVONNE …..si @PAREKOY was aleready caught LYING here …ang nagsisinungaling ay KAPATID ng MAGNANAKAW….kung may TROLL man dito kahit nakampi minsan sa inyo ay sya iyon yvonne si @PAREKOY….LIAR iyan
Cha says
Victinluz,
I don’t agree that Yvonne is suggesting in her post that Grace Poe is a dishonest person.
Victinluz says
@cha…inducement and entraptment for the readers mind –to arrive — depends upon the reader’s comprehension on what was written.They can arrived to conclusion that Grace is or is not dishonest.
Ang SUGGESTING–directly the writer wanted you to arrived in a conclusion that Grace was dishonest……..
magkalayo naman ang interpretation mo @Cha….
Cha says
You must have a special English dictionary I don’t know of.
vibora says
@yvonne,
Pa angkas (sabi nga ni Buddy Gomez noon).
Victinluz says
@cha…inducement and entraptment for the readers mind to arrive—-will depend upon the reader to conclude on what @yvonne had posted…kung mahina kang umintindi lalong lalo na kung hindi mo sinusundan ang mga posting nya di baleawala sa iyo..
Ang SUGGESTING @cha– directly commanding to arrived iyan @cha …mag kaiba …malayo ang interpretation mo
kalakala says
you presented the issue very loud and clear. those who opposed your point of view are those who love to choose to be blind-sided. are those who are now agitated because the ace under their sleeves are now open to the public’s knowledge. are those who are now disappointed because they never thought the these issues will come out because walang issue noong sa unang appointment nya at sa pag takbo sa senado. they hurdled two ang akala they can hurdle the 3rd because it comes in 3
Rene-Ipil says
The intention of Grace Poe to acquire permanent residency in the Philippines could be discerned through overt acts.
Grace traveled as US citizen by using her US passport when she arrived in the Philippines on August 3, 2009 and also when she departed on December 27, 2009 for the US. This is consistent with Grace pronouncement that she renounced her US citizenship initially on October 20, 2010 and for good on July 12, 2011.
At first glance such use of US passport indicates an intention of Grace to maintain her residence in the US. But Grace is a dual citizen and she was also residing in the Philippines at the same time.
IMO the issue is whether Grace intended to reside PERMANENTLY in the Philippines or in the US. This will resolve the question on her residency in relation to her prospective candidacy for the position of president or VP. But how do we determine such intent? I am suggesting one indicator that necessarily arose out of her travel to and from the Philippines.
Grace’ intent to reside permanently in the Philippines could be determined by the fact of her payment or non-payment of travel tax when she left for the US. While the use of a US passport for such travel would indicate that she resided in the US at the time, such fact did not indicate that she was residing thereat permanently. Because she could have been residing permanently in the Philippines.
Where was Grace residing permanently on December 27, 2009 when she left the country for US? It depends. If she paid her travel tax, it meant that she was at the time a permanent resident of the Philippines. If not, she must be a permanent resident of the US.
Of course Filipino nationals pay Philippine travel tax. But they are exempted from such tax as OFW or PERMANENT RESIDENT abroad whose stay in the Philippines is less than one year. Meaning that if Grace did not pay the travel tax, she must be a permanent resident of the US at the time she left the country on December 27, 2009.
Even aliens who are PERMANENT RESIDENTS in the Philippines pay travel tax. Meaning that ALL permanent residents in the Philippines, whether Filipino national or not, pay travel tax. Conversely, those who are NOT permanent resident in the country, whether Filipino national or alien, do not pay travel tax.
But a non-resident aliens who has stayed in the Philippines for more than one year must pay travel tax. Meaning that such alien has stayed in the Philippines for so long that he is considered a “permanent resident” for travel tax purposes.
My point is that Grace should have paid the travel tax if she were already a PERMANENT RESIDENT in the Philippines at the time. Did she pay or not? Your guess is as good as mine.
leona says
Pls allow me to ask this question based on what Atty. Rene-Ipil said, among others:
1. If Grace Poe ‘paid’ the travel tax, is she considered an ‘Alien’ (“Meaning that such alien has stayed in the Phiilippines for so long that he is considered a “permanent resident” for travel tax purposes . . . Rene’s statement)? An ‘alien’ just because she paid the travel tax? If such payment is “only for travel tax purposes” is it a final consideration to say the payor of that travel tax is an alien? Or it is not a final indicator but only one of the ‘overt acts’ discerned?
1.a. Will it have any effect on his ‘Residency’ in her favor or not?
2. If Grace Poe did not pay the travel tax when she left for the US, when such payment if paid is only for ‘travel tax purposes,’ will such act (I consider it as ‘overt act’) of not paying finally affect her ‘Residency’ in the Philippines? Or such act shows a ‘Residency in the US permanently’?
Altogether, under Philippine laws, if paying or not paying the ‘Travel Tax’ when one travels, whether Alien or Filipino, does it completely decide the ‘Residency’ requirement in our Election Laws and the constitutional provisions on one’s ‘residency’ or ‘non-residency’ for high elective positions like for President, Vice President, etc.?
If it is, under what Philippine law or laws or court jurisprudence?
Thank you Atty. [email protected]
Rene-Ipil says
If Poe paid the travel tax, it could mean that she was a Filipino citizen permanently residing in the Philippines. Or a Filipino national who was a permanent resident in the US but stayed for more than a year in the Philippines.
Indeed in 2009 Grace first arrived in the country on May 21 and left on July 31. Her second arrival and departure in 2009 were on August 3 and December 27, respectively. Meaning that Grace stayed in the country for less than a year.
If an alien paid the travel tax, it could mean that same alien was a permanent resident in the Philippines or a non-resident alien who had stayed in the Philippines for more than one year.
Poe was a dual citizen and not an alien.
If Poe did not pay the travel tax, it could mean that she was a Filipino citizen permanently residing abroad who did not stay in the Philippines for more than a year. Meaning that as of the time of her departure on December 27, 2009 for US, she considered herself a permanent resident of the US. And it indicates that she was merely residing temporarily in the Philippines and not yet a Philippine permanent resident at the time.
Please see “Handbook Filipinos Overseas” page 41 at the link provided by Raissa above.
Assuming that Grace came back to the country on January 1, 2010 for good, she became a permanent resident in the Philippines for about three years and five months as of May13, 2013. Meaning that her declaration in her COC was not correct.
Ariel Anthony Tizon says
Well said Rene-Ipil. I absolute agree with your analysis. The payment of travel tax is one of the crucial pieces of evidence to determine if Grace Poe has changed her domicile/residence for election purposes.
canadadry says
POLITICAL SPECULATION: JEJOMAR SACRIFICES DREAM SLIDES TO VP, UNA ADOPTS GRACE POE FOR PRESIDENT,
Erap will use his party’s machinery for Grace victory.
Mangyari kaya ito?
vander says
hindi kaya iyan ang tunay na trap?
if both wins then the vp will become p sooner by the disqualification of poe due to this looming issues.
omg. wag naman po sana.
pero mukhang may nabuo ng plan B ang una.
come on cpmers, is my scenario a possibility?
vander says
err…
…is ‘this’ scenario…
leona says
“That it’s better also to remain independent.” – Sen. Grace Poe
She said she repeated this stand in her meeting with the President twice already.
Independent. In the Liberal Party I believe there is no ‘Independent.’ So, is Poe seeing eye-to-eye with the Party and the President on this? She said there will be a third meeting with the President again.
What is the thing that Poe wants to be ‘independent’? Free? No strings attached? No breaking of party stand and principles? Can do as she pleases? To be what you want to be?
What is the point or reason the President keeps inviting Poe but not making any offer to her for the 2016 elections? It cannot be there is no reason. Is the President going into a long patience meeting Poe? For what? Vice presidential candidate? Or for Presidential candidate?
Poe admits she has no money and no strong party machinery. Poe was guest candidate of the LP during the 2013 elections. Will she ask that she be again a guest for the 2016 elections as the candidate for President or Vice President?
Will the LP allow or accept her on that and that Poe remains independent at the same time? Will Poe run independent for President without the LP on her side? Or run for Vice President on the same independence? Poe admits she is still thinking all about it. To run or not to run that is the question.
Without her being ‘into’ with the LP as the party’s candidate, it is remote Poe will run for either higher posts. By not running because of these reasons given, Poe is saying “Binay has the very good chance will be elected President.”
But who is Binay’s vice president? Will Poe be? Will Binay accept Poe as UNA or PDP-Laban’s vice presidential even if independent at that? Probably Binay will say ‘Yes. That’s okay with me.”
Even if poll surveys for Poe gets higher than that of Binay, will Poe run against Binay? Again, Poe has to think of the money side and the party machinery she does not have for that. Will Poe just the same go ahead and run? Has there been an instance in our political elections an independent won as President?
Independent. Poe does not or maybe hate not to be independent. A life of independence. Poe knows that it will be a too much liability not to be independent. Is Poe theory of independent absolute and without exceptions? Maybe the President is trying to find out if it is or it is not. A chance for finding a gap or a chance of not being so absolute could be there. PNoy as President is courting Poe relentlessly. A third meeting is coming. Maybe count a fourth meeting and so on.
Now, Poe is waiting for a case challenge to her qualifications – residency and citizenship. But until she files her CoC there will probably be no case filed.
Will Erap and his people support Poe for President or Vice President? With money and party machinery? Poe maintaining as independent for that? Erap what do you think? Good or not good?
Poe and Chiz and Erap together? A banging in THREE CORNERS: Poe vs Roxas vs Binay. With Sen. Bong2 Marcos too with them? With other VIPs BALIMBINGS also? The more the better stronger.
Shifting of the balance scale. The pendulum swings to where? The political SPACE is vast for the coming 2016 elections. Many Ferries Wheels going ’round ‘n ’round. Horses ‘n donkeys all around. The ZOO and the animal world will be there. The entertainment will be sure.
It will be JURRASIC!
Mel says
When Grace Poe starts running towards the 2016 elections as an independent, she can choose a marathon made up, with candidates who have principles, credibility, with integrity, real altruistics PiNoys- who have genuine love for country and its people. With all her might, and with all her soul she can rally a lot of the ‘uto-uto’ demographic voting population to his chosen candidates.
Deserving candidates, whose names may not be as popular as her departed father’s, pero mayruong PRINSIPYO, talento, kakayahang isip at puso na baguhin ang systema at kultura ng nasa iba’t ibang hanay ng gobyerno.
She can change the ‘uto-uto’ demographic votes of candidates for popular parties (e.g. UNA), instead spread them out more to other deserving candidates who are worthy to seat at gov’t offices to render genuine public services..
She doesn’t have to be a Presidential candidate come 2016. She can win the 2022 elections with a presidential term not mired with issues about her residence eligibility, nor haunted for being a foundling – with out The Sword of Damocles hanging (http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/dmen/ss/070709damoclessword.htm#step-heading).
In the interim, she can bond more with her new found kin and more quality time with her growing kids.
Mel says
na erra tuloy –
altruistic PiNoys
hisher chosen candidates.good am, from my end. mabalos.
moonie says
leona, maybe PNoy wants to hear 1st hand the words coming from the horse’s mouth, kung sino talaga itong si grace poe before fending her in LP lineup, and before putting all LP political machinery behind her. maybe, PNoy wants to know if poe is worthy. like any good job interview, there are times when candidates are short-listed, asked to come 2nd and maybe, 3rd time. detectives are like that too, binabalikan yong suspect at tinatanong uli.
dati kasi, bigla ang pagpasuk ni poe sa political arena, before all the searches and researches surfaced, before people got the courage to question her. at that time in 2013, people were pressed for time as political campaign was already up and running and in full swing. endorsed by PNoy, grace was taken at face value.
I think, PNoy learned a lesson. this time, it will be different. there will be butas ng karayom for grace go through.
leona says
[email protected] . . . Why Grace Poe wants to be Independent. . . she does not want to be associated with TRAPOS or to be widely known associating with TRAPOS.
Her ‘ambition’ and plan that high, is like she will attempt to (like Bible’s saying) ‘Change the Face of the Earth’!. . . change the ‘forests in the mountains’! The ‘mountains’ are filled with TRAPOS!
She just cannot tell the President that. I hope she does so the President will stop inviting her for any meetings. She said : It is non-negotiable – Independent – she will remain as is.
leona says
I’m having my mornin’ cup of coffee and saw this on Internet news –
“The presidency is a privilege. But I think it is abnormal for anyone to desire it,” she said.”
And I read this one too – “I know a lot of people are saying, ‘Pakipot ka lang.’ This is not an easy decision to make. I don’t have the machinery, I don’t have the money. Am I ready? Not yet, because by the time that I announce and for what position, I would like to have a complete program of government,” Poe said.
I also read this – “Any president in office–after this president [Aquino]–who pardons them will lose his or her legitimacy,” said Poe, referring to Binay, his son Makati Mayor Junjun Binay and other individuals facing plunder and graft charges over the alleged overpricing of the Makati City Hall Building 2.”
This one I read answers one of my questions – “The senator did not deny that she used to be friends with the Binays. She, however, said she will not team up with UNA in case she decides to run in the 2016 polls.
I’m half way on the cup of coffee. What a day to start! Like it’s already MAY 2016 ELECTIONS!