But Manila sent 60 delegates
By Raïssa Robles
The recent hearing of the Arbitral Tribunal was supposed to be closed to the public.
“However,” according to an official press release from the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague dated July 13, “after receiving written requests from interested States, and having sought the views of the Parties, the Arbitral Tribunal permitted the Governments of Malaysia, the Republic of Indonesia, the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam, the Kingdom of Thailand and Japan, to send small delegations to attend the hearing as observers.”
The Arbitral Tribunal – L to R: Judge Jean-Pierre Cot, Judge Stanislaw Pawlak, Judge Thomas A. Mensah (President), Judge Rüdiger Wolfrum, Professor Alfred H. A. Soons
An international relations expert whom I asked about this and who declined to be identified, described the presence of representatives from the four countries as “unusual.”
Observers from Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and Vietnam
“Because if hearings are not open to the public, representatives of other countries theoretically should not be allowed. Since the countries made a request to the tribunal, the tribunal consulted the Philippines and the Philippines agreed,” the expert said.
My source pointed out that except for Thailand, the other three observer countries also have overlapping claims with China. Malaysia and Vietnam have claims to an extended continental shelf, which in 2009 had prompted China to send a memorandum to the Secretary General of the United Nations that contained for the first time the nine-dash line.
“But we should be looking closely at Japan’s maritime dispute with China,” the expert also said.
What caught my source’s attention, though, was the excessively large delegation sent by the Philippine government. Local newspapers said they numbered around 35 in all. But the official press release issued by the Tribunal said:
“The Philippines’ delegation comprised some sixty attendees, including the Solicitor General as Agent for the Philippines, the Secretary of Foreign Affairs, the Secretary of Justice, the Secretary of National Defense, members of the Supreme Court, members of the House of Representatives, Ambassadors, government lawyers, officials, legal counsel, advisors and technical experts and assistants.”
The philippines’ 60-member delegation
Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said that for her, it was like taking a crash course on international law. Her choice of words are unfortunate: it gives the impression she’s doing this using the people’s money.
L – Justice Secretary Leila de Lima, Middle – Senior Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Antonio Carpio, R – Deputy Executive Secretary for Legal Affairs of the Philippines, Mr. Menardo I. Guevarra
International law expert Harry Roque pointed out that the presence of such a large number was really not necessary to argue the Philippine case before the tribunal. Strictly speaking, he’s right. (And by the way, he is not the expert I’m quoting here.) Because if you look at the press release, only four people were allowed to speak before the Tribunal: Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario, Solicitor General Florin Hilbay, counsel for the Philippines Paul Reichler and Professor Philippe Sands.
Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario speaking before the Tribunal
Philippine Solicitor General Florin Hilbay
Philipine Counsel Paul Reichler
Counsel for the Philippines, Professor Philippe Sands QC
Should we be angry at government spending the people’s money this way?
From the legal standpoint, their presence was wasteful since they were not necessary for arguing the Philippine case. My source said the Philippines could have made do with a much smaller delegation consisting of senior Philippine government officials, the international counsel and their staff.
Counsel Team for the Philippines, including Professor Bernard H. Oxman, Professor Alan E. Boyle and Mr. Lawrence H. Martin
However, I can also understand why the government sent such a large delegation. It was meant for propaganda effect, to show that the case has the backing of the three branches of government.
House Speaker Feliciano Belmonte and Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa Jr.
The large crowd was intended to fill the room in the same manner that Philippine boxer Manny Pacquiao flies a planeload of supporters to watch his boxing matches and cheer him on.
If the Philippines wins the case, government can claim the cost was worth it. But if it loses the case, there will be an outcry over the expense.
Personally, I wish the government had sent a smaller delegation befitting a third world country. But I cannot close my eyes to the propaganda value of showing a tribunal hearing the case in a roomful of Filipinos.
I just hope the delegates were not billeted in plush five-star hotels. And that they flew straight home after the event.
Below is the official press release from the Tribunal:
kalakala says
imho mapaglinlang na nilalang POE!
vander says
“https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-claims-being-victim-sea-000000285.html”
Oh, bs tlaga! nakakasuka to read China’s allegations,
a. China is victim of territorial disputes in WPS,
b. Has been exercising utmost restraint,
c. Phl is the “real troublemaker” for reinforcing its rusting ship in the Ayungin Shoal
5. China still open and will be open forever” to bilateral talks with the Phl.
Joe America says
Elect Binay or Poe and China can get bilateral talks.
Who is Poe’s Chinese connection, I wonder.
Just askin’.
Caliphman says
And just what is your basis for making a statement like that about Poe? Binay and Marcos favor bilateral talks but Poe has been silent on the issue.
Joe America says
Her statement to the American Ambassador suggesting a change in foreign policy, plus her connections with the Chinese business community, plus a bit of deduction that has weak ground, and which we can call it intuition. Of course, she can prove this wrong by simply stating that she will continue the Aquino policy of carrying through the arbitration case to conclusion, multilateral negotiation as an alternative, backed up by EDCA.
Vhin AB says
@Joe, there’s no other way but to continue the policy of PNoy and the Filipino people. Straying from that policy is treason. As I’ve said that the West Philippine Sea is not about the Philippines and China anymore. That sea lane should be open forever and can’t be owned by China or any superpower. War is not far if China will bully their way in imposing their so-called 9 dash line.
Caliphman says
One is allowed to speculate here, Joe. That is what intuition is. But it is usually good journalism and just plain fairness to label such an accusation as opinion and not fact. Now as to Marcos and Binay, I do agree they have that position. And it’s not necessary to whip up Filipino hatred of the Chinese by asking questions of Poe’s racial ethnicity in an attempt to cast aspersions about her patriotism . As as American who is just a guest in this country and with the US record on slavery and betraying the General Aguinaldo in Manila, it is hardly fitting for you to be making this sort of statements.
moonie says
so far as moi is concerned, joe is free to make statements, the limits alam niya. just as pinoys living in USA are free to make statement, free to exercise freedom of speech, free to live anywhere in the states and earn a living. many pinoys over there are exercising political nous, voting and campaigning, and writing political matters. the only time, the freedom of pinoys is curtailed over there is when they commit crime.
moonie says
we ought to move on from general aquinaldo. past is past.
Joe America says
Yes, I wasn’t really there at the time. Besides my comment had nothing to do with Poe’s racial heritage, which is irrelevant, but with her allegiances . . . as Yvonne correctly read, with the information she provided below. I have written two blogs defending Poe against “parentage” issues, saying she should be measured only by her deeds, not by such trivial matters. Race is a trivial matter. However, it is a DEED if Poe supports bilateral agreement with China and the ceding of Philippine territory to China because businessmen with interests in China funded her campaign.
The idea that I should not bring this concern forward is ludicrous. I mean, what’s the fear all about?
I appreciate your defense of free speech. It was well stated.
caliphman says
Of course we should all be concerned, Joe. BB Marcos is an idiot, but I believe he is so brainless, he really believes bilateral talks is the way to go. Binay on the other hand is quite clever and greedy. He will say anything if it advances his candidacy or makes him richer. Poe, we know little about her views on this issue but happily we get a chance to look at her platforms on major national issues she declared she was putting together if she decides to run for the presidency.
You seem very supportive of Pinoy. He seems to trust Poe to consider anointing her as his chosen presidential candidate. Why not hold off demonizing her until we really know what her positions are?
Joe America says
Because it is important to put hard issues on the table for hard debate. The campaign has started, no matter what COMELEC says, at least the popularity hyping part, the sneaky, non-transparent part. I find it more interesting that anybody at any time would try to suppress discussion of hard issues that define what a candidate will actually do.
I have the greatest respect for Mr. Aquino. He and his staff are a part of the audience I try to reach and I have no interest in burying anything that is crucially important. This topic will be the subject of my Sunday eve blog, and I thank CPMers for helping me crystallize my thinking.
Ancient Mariner says
Spoken like a true CPMer.
HighFive says
I wonder if those advocating for bilateral talk with China can guarantee that China will agree with Philippines position on its EEZ in a bilateral talk. There was already an instance of bilateral talk that took place in Scarborough when there was a standoff. It did not seem to work.
Joe America says
That’s why it is such an important question. The Philippine argument at the arbitration tribunal recounted the history of bilateral negotiations, all failed, because the starting point for China is Chinese sovereignty, even for contested properties withing the Philippine EEZ. That is known as a “non-starter” in negotiating terms. Or deal killer.
So those willing to talk bilaterally are willing to dismiss this argument, undermining the whole case, and accept Chinese sovereignty of properties in Philippine economic territory.
To me, that is a non-starter, or candidate killer. Senator Poe needs to make herself clear, I think.
NHerrera says
Major premise: Men are mortal
Minor premise: Socrates is a man
Conclusion: Socrates is mortal
MAJOR PREMISE: Before any bilateral negotiation for sharing of areas of conflict between the Philippines and China — which can only be settled fairly under International Law, China stipulates that the Philippines must first agree that China has sovereignty over those areas, the very subject of bilateral negotiation.
A pause to digest that: For the Philippines, it is clear that China is taking the country for a fool. The Philippines reasons thus — it is as if China says I have sovereignty or ownership over this whole cake; now let us negotiate on the sharing of this cake.
MINOR PREMISE 1: One who negotiates under the stipulation insisted on by China is not only irrational and unpatriotic but is a fool.
MINOR PREMISE 2: Binay and his kind would like to negotiate with China under the stipulation of China.
CONCLUSION: Binay and his kind are fools aside from being irrational and unpatriotic.
(Binay and Roque are lawyers supposed to have been taught elementary logic and not to be stupid.)
Joe America says
Eloquently stated, which raises the question . . .
What is Poe’s policy on bilateral negotiations?
NHerrera says
That is also what I am dying to know.
vander says
let us, i think, take a hint from cheezy.
what is his stand?
and we can deduce from that what gp stands for.
the two are inseparable…
Vhin AB says
Agree. At least we can safely assume that the position of Chiz in certain issues, if not all, is very much the same with Grace Poe unless we hear it directly from her.
leona says
Poe doesn’t have or know that yet as Chiz is not giving here any ‘tip or tips’ on bilaterial negotiations with China. Both of ’em probably doesn’t have an idea.
he he
:-)
HighFive says
entirely agree with you.
HighFive says
I hope the next President of our country is not too much interested in the financial backing to his/her candidacy or becoming a President but his/her primary goal is to serve the people and lead the nation to progress.
Joe America says
On the scale of integrity, Mar Roxas would be at the top, Binay at the bottom, Duterte springing up and down depending on the circumstance, and Poe sliding down with each manipulative pronouncement made by her or her BFF.
leona says
I wholeheatedly agree JoeAm. Phil. news editorial even comes up with it like this –
Filipinos have proved to be horrible voters! Candidates are selected like flavor-or-the-month ice cream choices. Right now it happens to be Grace Poe; everybody’s darling. But as we noted in a previous editorial, we still want to know who exactly is she and why she deserves the office?
The so-many are Horrible Voters! Selecting candidates like flavor-ofthe-month ice cream!
Crrriinnnnng Ting-alinnnnggg Rinnnng ICE CREAM! Binaypoe nut flavor!
he he he
http://philnews.com/
JoeAm says
It’s encouraging to see that view out there. Jim Paredes came out with a tweet today that said Ms. Poe displays the same poor judgment as Escudero. Zing . . .
Have a double scoop, Jimbo!
yvonne says
Some major contributors to Grace Poe’s senatorial candidacy:
Edwin Lee Uy – P10,000,000
Thomas Ang Tan – P10,000,000
John Paul L. Ang – P7,5000,000
Ancient Mariner says
What about the Chinese connection at the Escudero wedding? Poe and Escudero are, after all, kindred spirits.
moonie says
kindred spirits for now. who knows? in the future, escudero could turn out to be 1st gentleman, pulling the strings from behind. hope heart as sound pre-nup agreement.
Joe America says
Ah, right, Yvonne. I forgot that you had provided those links, which are probably about the only public links we can recognized, along with the Onpins and any others who may have been at thte Escudero wedding, as AM notes.
My concern is starting to build to significant proportions, because this is like the US, when the Koch brothers are supporting a US candidate, we can expect that candidate to back the Canada to Mexico oil pipeline.
When rich people with their riches tied to friendly commercial relationships to China give to a Filipino candidate, we can expect that candidate will favor bilateral negotiations with China, and the ceding of Philippine sea rights to China, and the abandonment of the multilateral negotiations . . . that is, the abandonment of hard-build alliances with neighboring states.
I believe Ms. Poe has a vulnerability other than no experience, and a wise opponent will call her out on it early in the campaign. It can’t be Binay doing the calling out, because he, too, would gift Philippine territory to China for personal gain.
NHerrera says
Guys and gals: haven’t you noticed that the mouthpieces of China sound like Binay and his spokespersons? Uncanny, isn’t it?
moonie says
he, he, he, the probably share the same brand of pustiso, all made in china.
leona says
Made in China false dentures –
A group of Chinese scientists just announced that they have successfully grown “rudimentary teeth” from an extremely unlikely and slightly unsettling source: human pee.’
From human PEE? Binay?
http://inhabitat.com/chinese-scientists-grow-teeth-from-human-urine/
leona says
Don’t get your false teeth dentures from Taiwan China/
you could burn yourself to death – ‘Taiwanese man, unsatisfied with his new false teeth, decided to burn himself alive in order to make the illegal dentist “pay”, reports Global Times.’
‘The man, surnamed Zhao, went to a dental clinic in Kaohsiung district where he was charged 60,000 Taiwan dollars ($2,052) for dentures. He later on noticed that the new teeth didn’t fit properly and made eating a real challenge.’
Since the clinic refused to pay compensation for the faulty dentures, Zhao sued his dentist, surnamed Liu. But Zhao didn’t wait until the court opened his case. Instead he went back to the clinic and set himself on fire in front of it.
Zhao wrote that he was disabled and couldn’t work, had no income or relatives to take care of him. He also left a message to his dentist, writing, “Pay for my death”.
‘The court later on found out that the so-called dentist Liu was actually only a dental technician, unfit to work on dentures on his own.’
http://gbtimes.com/china/man-burns-himself-alive-over-bad-false-teeth
When it doesn’t fit you cannot eat.
he he
:-)
vander says
when it doesn’t fit you get burned…hahaha
moonie says
guys, like the garbage from canada that got imported into our country, those pustisos are going to be dump on us too, thanks to binay. apparently, you can now order pustisos in the internet, if you provide the measurement. if binay orders in bulk, he’ll get discount. just dont expect pustisos to be of quality and safe to use. carcinogenic (cancer causing) materials and other banned substances that have been lying around waiting disposal – might be used.
tama si leona. chinese dental techies cannot be called to account dahil they’re out of our bounds, and not answerable to pinoy authorities.
vander says
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_john_r_m_070506_china_is_poisoning_t.htm
are they doing it intentionally?
remember the ‘melamined’ milk that killed thousands of taiwanese?
that killer milk was discovered in a us lab.
recently rice in davao was in the news!
vander says
relative to yhe above:
“https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2013-04-08/choking-china”
moonie says
they’re motivated by greed, chasing biggest bucks. consumers are standing up to shoddy manufacturers though, and demanding action. I recalled the chinese makers of tainted milk, the one with melamine, were executed. not because people were harmed but the reason given for the execution was because perpetrators had brought shame to china and had put china in bad light.
moonie says
vander, of course china is open for bilateral talks specially those that will go on forever, walang time frame at walang agenda, that’s what china is hanging out for. by then, our country will be like hongkong and annexed to china as satellite state. or, maybe, as captive nation.
china has been exercising utmost restraint? not in the shoals though. they’ve been building there without restraint. their ships have been relentless in harassing, chasing and driving us out of our shaols, relentless also in water cannoning our fishermen, and stealing our tunas. 9 dash line is very provocative; grabbing, and not showing utmost restraint. the chinese dragon choked on its pearl, and speaking in forked tongue.
Rene-Ipil says
The dual citizenship law or RA 9225 was enacted in 2003. So that when Grace Poe renounced her US citizenship in 2010 before Philippine authorities, most if not all people assumed that she had been a dual citizen. That was a WRONG assumption.
Sometime in the last week of May 2013 – repeat 2013 – Anne Binay-Alcantara posted in Instagram a picture of Grace Poe with Anne’s family taken in the vicinity of Hollywood East and Buena Vista Streets, Anaheim, LA. The same Instagram photo was marked with “Nice to see you Senator Grace!!…”
Meaning that at the time (2013) she was using still a US passport to travel because available records show that Grace Poe was issued her Philippine passport only on May 16, 2014. So that many people including legal luminaries were wrong in assuming that Grace Poe had been a dual citizen before her appointment as MTCRB chairman in 2010. They were wrong also in assuming that Grace Poe was a Philippine citizen during the May 13, 2013 senatorial elections because she had already renounced her US Citizenship.
Due to the issuance of a Philippine passport on May 16, 2014, we could assume now that she had reacquired her Philippine citizenship on or before such date in accordance with RA 9225. This is only a presumption which could be rebutted by evidence that Grace Poe was issued a Philippine passport through “magic” or without taking that oath of allegiance accordingly required by RA 9225. But the fact remains that she used a US passport in her travel to US in 2013 due to the belated issuance of her Philippine passport in 2014.
Indeed, Grace said that she reacquired Philippine citizenship by merely renouncing her US citizenship. Meaning that here was no proper oath of allegiance before the consular or immigration officials. This was what she said in an interview with GMA News:
“To revert back to Filipino citizenship, ire-renounce mo lang yung US citizenship mo. Yun lang ang ginawa ko. Yun kasi ang condition ng Dual Citizenship Law. Hindi iyon to reacquire Philippine citizenship kasi it reverts back to that automatically.”
The SC ruled that the renunciation of foreign citizenship and taking the oath of allegiance for purposes of election or appointment to public office is NOT compliant with RA 9225. And that such acts do not result to reacquisition of Philippine citizenship.
Meaning again that Grace Poe has only two options in regard to the 2016 presidential elections. First, run as VP of Roxas. Second, stay as senator.
Oh, there is the third choice. Resign as senator and campaign for Binay or Erap. Not to mention the possible criminal prosecution for perjury.
Rene-Ipil says
The link on the Instagram photo:
http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-25125643/annebinay/photos/ig-472057633084936202_25125643
NHerrera says
Rene-Ipil,
I have a Magician friend, a friend too, of JoeAm’s bookie, Sal. Now this friend of mine — a good magician but a braggart, especially when he has more than enough beer in him, claiming to be a consultant to a consultant of DFA — has produced documents associated with the following narration:
– Shortly before May 2004, but after the enactment of RA 9225 of the Philippine Dual Citizenship Law in 2003, GP applied for and was granted Dual Citizenship;
– As a result of which, GP applied for and got a PH passport in May 2004;
– Shortly before the 5-year validity period of that passport, she applied for renewal, and so got a renewed passport in May 2009 (mind you this was before the appointment to MTRCB);
– Again, before the 5-year validity period of this recent passport lapsed, GP again applied for renewal; and so, it came to past that she got a renewed PH passport on May 16, 2014.
I am amazed that my Magician friend was able to square away these facts: the application for DC after RA 9225 enactment, the 5-year validity period of PH passports, and Rene-Ipil’s very solid fact about the May 16, 2014 issuance of a PH passport to GP. When my Magician friend narrated these events and showed me the documents, he was sober — hadn’t touch a bottle of beer for a week
So, I cannot but help write —
Q.E.D. Eureka. Problem solved.
Rene-Ipil says
Maybe your magician friend forgot that the list of dual citizens starting in 2003 had been distributed to several outlets including NAIA, TEZA, media and other interested groups like the US government and others. That Poe had not paid a single cent for travel tax because she had been a US permanent resident until she officially renounced her US citizenship. That every time Poe departs from NAIA her name would be checked in that list for payment of or exemption from travel tax. Worse, your magician friend could bring PNoy down with him for falsification of public document.
NHerrera says
Is it that bad? I tell you, I will fire that no good Magician, son of a … And to think he inveigled me to hire him as a consultant on citizenship matters. Lesson — you cannot even trust Magicians these days.
moonie says
magicians, the late harry houdini before departing this world has left a challenge to all mediums and magicians. if they really are what they say they are, they should be able to see, sense, or read what was written in the envelop left by him. no taker so far. and the envelop remained sealed. and none could contact harry houdini from the beyond to ask him directly what he had written.
leona says
x x x that at the time (2013) she was using still a US passport to travel because available records show that Grace Poe was issued her Philippine passport only on May 16, 2014 Rene-Ipil #28
Did Poe say about this when Raissa asked her? Has Poe said anything about this to explain or rebut?
Who ‘ordered’ to issue Poe’s Phil. passport of May 16, 2014? DFA Secretary? Who?
Sen. Poe must have ‘executed’ some official document ‘under oath’ for this issuance of a Phil. passport of May 16, 2014. What is that document’s contents? [asking anybody on this] Interesting indeed.
Many wants to know about this Phil. passport etc.
leona says
‘Senator Poe commented: “Even highly experienced leaders falter if they do not have the best intentions of the people at heart.”
Meaning: I am not highly experienced but my best intentions will not make me falter.
More consultations says PNoy. Did Mar Roxas say very lately ‘I am ready to make another sacrifice?’ Hmmm. Did Mar get that hint from PNoy?
Why or what made Mar Roxas say that another ‘sacrifice’ is again coming for him? Hmmm.
I am beginning to expect a Calvary scene here. . . sacrifice.
Joe America says
I think the sacrifice comment was misread, much as the famous Tacloban conversation was presented out of context. His point was “I should not be asked that question (about sacrifice). I’ve already shown I can sacrifice.”
If there was another conversation where he flat-out said “I am ready to make the sacrifice again”, I’d love to have a reference link to the comment.
The more I know about Poe, the less I trust her.
An Observer says
I agree with you that Mar’s sacrifice comment was misread. I thought what Mar meant was that as you said, he should not be asked about that sacrifice question because he has already shown he can sacrifice. I had noticed since a few years back that every time Mar opens his mouth, negative reports will come out, twisting what he actually said. Is this because of politics. Wake up everyone, the man is just trying his best to do good for the people and country. He is not perfect but he is not corrupt.
Joe America says
The Star, which in its report on the quote, got it right. But in today’s article about Poe/Escudeor meeting with the President again it was reported that Mar Roxas had agreed to give way to Poe. Period. Case closed.
Such horrid journalism. It is either lousy or purchased.
I get ill thinking about how poor and manipulative is the information that people receive. And buy, with emotionalism attached. It is hard to run a democracy on this basis, because good information is so vitally important. It is a growing problem in the US, too, as objective news fades under the power of manipulated news that, there, too, is building emotionalism and spite.
Any isolated islands for sale in this neck of the woods?
vander says
mar actually wants to echo indirectly to gp that she has to sacrifice muna.
it is mar’s time.
di nga ba: oras na, roxas na?
syempre, hindi gusto ni chizcutero ang ganoon..hehe
Percival says
If a new survey will come out in a few days, Mar’s rating will again suffer because of that statement. The respondents will exclude Mar from their choices in the belief that Mar already gave way to Poe and won’t be running for the presidency as the news made it appear to be. Poor Mar. But I am sure once Pnoy declares his endorsement as LP standard bearer, Mar’s rating will climb up slowly but surely. In 2016, it will be His Excellency, President Manuel Roxas III. :)
leona says
Okay, from RAPPLER, this was news reported –
‘“Malinaw ang track record natin na may kakayahan tayo na magsakripisyo, na magparaya alang-alang sa mas malaking objective na pagsulong ng Daang Matuwid,” he said.
(Our track record is clear: we are capable of sacrificing, of giving way for the sake of the bigger objective, which is to continue the Daang Matuwid.)
Roxas was supposed to run for president in 2010 but slid down at the last minute to make way for Aquino, whose victory was boosted by the death of his mother, EDSA Revolution icon and former President Corazon Aquino. Roxas ran for vice president, but lost to Jejomar Binay, now the standard-bearer of the opposition United Nationalist Alliance.’
Mar uses ‘we’ but actually I understand it as ‘I’ [am capable of sacrificing] x x x of giving way x x x [like he gave way to PNoy before] x x x for the sake of the bigger objective x x x [he’s the only one that can be referred to – TO MAKE WAY for a bigger objective; not Grace Poe, not PNoy nor Chiz.
I don’t know with other news papers’ context on this matter. Possible it could have been re-worded for misunderstanding, etc.
Link http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/99467-aquino-roxas-poe-escudero-meeting-2016
Rene-Ipil says
I think Roxas meant to sacrifice his friendship with PNoy and some LP allies if PNoy chose Poe or Escudero over him just because of the survey results. That Roxas and his LP supporters are ready to leave LP and PNoy to support a coalition party (CP) of LP Roxas faction, NP, NPC and PDP-LABAN. That Roxas and company would support whoever is the CP standard bearer including Cayetano, Trillanes, Marcos, Duterte, Lacson, Pimentel, etc.
In that event Erap would support Poe. Thus, tremendously reducing Binay’s support. And the real fight would be between Poe and the CP candidate. Binay would find himself in the wayside, impeached and jailed on Election Day of 2016. Not to mention that Poe could be disqualified and Escudero would replace her later.
vander says
BOOM!
nadale mo @rene-ipil.
maaaring plan B ng tandem nila ang scenario na nabanggit mo.
in case both are elected P and VP.
kung madisqualify nga naman si gp, automatic pasok si chiz.
kalakala says
this is what gp doesn’t realize na she can be disqualified and chiz is smiling widely. crossing my fingers na HINDI mangyari ito.
leona says
In a scenario, Poe runs for P supported by Erap and wins. Binay runs but losses. Mar Roxas did run but is No. 2 highest. Mar is President if / when Poe is disqualified. Binay is 3rd placer.
Correct?
So, if PNoy make Poe as LP for P, Mar Roxas should run for P. He files a case to disqualify Poe. He and Trillanes, Koko and Peter Cayetano works together to beat Binay. At this time LP is divided.
My guess is any agreement by PNoy with Poe as candidate for P will fizzle out at the middle of the campaign period. Why? The agreement is ‘shakey’ like a quicksand unloaded by candidate for VP Chiz!
A sunken RP boat.
Rene-Ipil says
My comment is awaiting moderation. It is about Roxas and supporters who would leave PNoy and LP to join a coalition party of LP Roxas faction, NP, PDP, LDP, etc., if PNoy chose Poe and Escudero.
leona says
Okay Rene.
If Mar Roxas is ‘sacrificed,’ anew, since he has financing he should run for P. But if he does not for any all reasons, the P post is really not for him. No gut no glory. he he
My alternative would be Sen. Trillanes or Sen. Peter Cayetano. Sen. Koko Pimentel will do also. One of these three must take up the challenge with Mar & Co. supporting. Is this good? With 3 candiates for P?
It is a multi-party system anyway. Plurality of votes. If a 2-party system, it would really be bad.
:-(
leona says
Binay on Thursday again said that he will seek the lifting of term limitations for elected officials. He said officials should be elected into office as long as people vote for them. Inquirer
Binay knows many congressmen/senators will LOVE no TERM LIMITS from president down to barangay level – [elected] officials!
Binay for KING! Nancy for PRINCESS! Junjun for BARON! Abegail for COUNTESSA!
For BInay kingdom coming.
ha ha ha
leona says
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/705837/binay-told-presidential-term-limited-to-prevent-abuse-dynasties
leona says
PNoy wants Cong. Leni Robredo to run for the Senate. She says
‘”Tinitingnan ko lang naman yung pagtataas ng posisyon bilang pagkakataon na lalong makapagsilbi. Pero ayaw ko rin naman na pabayaan (ang aking distrito). Klaro naman sa akin why I am here in the first place,” Robredo added.
According to Robredo, she needs about two months before she can make a decision, but the Palace is insistent to get an answer by the end of the month. ‘
Insistent to have her answer in a month’s time. May deadline. Kay Poe may deadline ba?
he he he
Link http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/07/16/15/pnoy-asks-leni-robredo-run-senate
vander says
if i were Leni(if lang), i will accept Pnoy’s request.
kahit may deadline pa.
pero may demand..hehehe.
as VP…hehehe ulit.
hihimatayin si pnoy niyan..:)
kalakala says
POESCUDERO VS MARLEN RORO.
binay with alma moreno
poescudero with heart
marlen roro with nora aunor, jim paredes, cpm
Tess says
Binay’s hidden agenda about his message regarding the “lifting of term limits” if he’s elected president: to lure China or he’s silently telling them to help him and/or finance his candidacy just in case the gov’t will freeze all his assets before the election time comes (he’s very open and supportive of China’s interest….) and to attract currently sitting public officials to campaign for him so that they will be rewarded also it if he is elected president in 2016….possible?
Vhin AB says
Possible. But the US will not take it sitting down. They would know if China will release money to Binay to finance his campaign. The issue is not about China and the Philippines anymore. This is about a strategic location, a vital shipping lane that China wanted so badly including natural gas. In the future, it will become easier for China to punish countries like us if we don’t kiss their ass. The US is doing it to us already for a long time now, dadagdagan pa ba natin?
leona says
‘But the US will not take it sitting down’ – Vhin AB says.
Here is what the grandfather of our Mar Roxas said –
‘Address of President-elect Manuel Roxas
Before the National Press Club
[Delivered at Washington, D.C. on May 15, 1946]’
Excerpts –
“I hope that in the future the natural forces of mutual interest will keep us together in a closer, certainly more conscious, relationship than ever before. We will do our part. Will you do yours?”
“But there should be a stronger tie between our two countries than the mere memory of historical association and a sense of economic gratitude. There can be a community of interest to bind the Philippines and America past all power to divide.”
” We are not of the Orient, except by geography. We are part of the Western World by reason of culture, religion, ideology, and economics. Although the color of our skin is brown, the temper of our mind and heart is almost identical with yours.”
We are part of the Western World by x x x culture, religion, ideology and economics. – the President-elect Roxas said. He said there should be a stronger tie between our two countries. More so today.
And the US will not take this sitting down.
Link http://www.gov.ph/1946/05/15/address-of-president-elect-manuel-roxas-before-the-national-press-club-may-15-1946/
Vhin AB says
I remembeted George Bush Sr when Kuwait was invaded by Saddam in the early 90s. Bush said to the Saudi King: “Your Highness, whether you like it or not, we will defend your country.”
It is not about defending Saudi Arabia from Saddam. It’s the oil! So the US will defend the Philippines whether we like it or not because of its business interest in the region and the freedom to navigate the West Philippine Sea. It wont be because we are their oldest ally in Asia.
vander says
agree.
yes it was Aug. 2, 1990(thu) when the invasion started.
mmmm…i might have done the same if i were bush…:)
i also recalled kuwaitis complained that the actual damage inflicted by the defending team on the industrial installations were heavier than what the invaders did.
well, saving their freedom i think weighs more, not to mention the billions that could have been lost from burning oil rigs/wells!
Vhin AB says
Not even Binay, Bongbong, Poe or anyone else can sell those islands to China. The US will defend that shipping lane and the Philippines if needed, whether we like it or not. Not because of us but because of their own interest.
Vhin AB says
Malaking bagay para sa Pilipinas ang pagdinig ng kaso ng pinagtatalunang isla. Ang mga bansa na nakilahok ay makabubuti para sa posisyon natin at dapat pasalamatan ang mga observers kahit ang iba ay walang direktang interes.
Kapag nanatili na maghari ang Tsina sa West Philippine Sea ay kaya na nilang isara yon anumang oras nilang naisin. Walang anumang sanction ang uubra sa kanila sa hinaharap kahit lumabag man ito sa anumang international laws dahil makokontrol nila ang napakahalagang shipping lane na yan. Higit pa ang halaga nito strategically para sa Tsino kaysa sa sinasabing oil deposits. Tiyak na papalag ang US at Japan dahil sa business interests nila sa rehiyon.
Suportahan natin ang gobyerno. Hindi na ito dapat na pulitikahin pa kundi pagkakaisa ng lahat ng Pilipino sa isyu na ito.
vander says
tama @ Vhin AB,
pag pinabayaan pa ang west phil sea, matutulad iyan sa Tibet.
animo balite ang bansang iyan pag kumapit sa isang puno.
lupog ang host tree at malulukuban ng balite hanggang mawalan ng buhay.
Vhin AB says
Worse than that. China has an ambition like Japan-type goal during the second world war. It could happen. They have the manpower, technology and money.
China should behave. But every country has its interests but we can never allow China to bully their way into this. We need Jaoan and the US. Tell the leftists to go to hell. Isama na nila si Binay. Mga damuho sila ang tahimik nila sa isyu na ito!
HighFive says
I think they want to see how it’s gonna work for Philippines. If there is something there in the Court proceeding that will be valuable for their maritime claim, I would not be surprised if they will also do what the Philippines did.
canadadry says
@HighFive
tama ka, eto ang ayaw ng china magkalakas loob ang nakapaligid na mga bansa sa kanila, gayahin ang Pinas at di na magpaduro. mag usap usap at ngayon pang allowed na ang Japan to rearm. with all these countries around them na maglakas loob with Japan, kuyug sila dito.
vander says
other nations with claim on the disputed seas are obliged to follow what Phl is doing.
our govt is in the right track, imo.
this way is better than confrontational.
and far better than biting chinese hook on bilateral talks.
they are known to do double speak.
of course we wave to be diplomatic but we definitely cannot afford to trust them anymore.
Sup says
I”ll change my mind. i’ll.vote for Binay ….i need that viagra !!!!! :-)
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/705772/binay-seeks-lifting-of-term-limitations-one-to-sawa
canadadry says
@sup,delikado ka baka peke,ibang parte and tumibay hindi ang dapat..
canadadry says
see how far our favorite candidate’s favorite country can fake it:entire apple store
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXJBYbuV8w
vander says
hahaha,
oo nga, pwede.
papaano kung dila ang tumayo?
Martial Bonifacio says
Pag peke sigurado! Siguradong titigas ka…… -Rigor Mortis
Mary says
My milo got spilt on my lap, you naughty you, sup…hahaha
Sup says
Hard to reply your message Mary using my tablet, thanks to Binay’s Viagra…whahahaha :-)
Mary says
I see Binay is using Santiago’s style in public speaking, keeping his audience in stiches. Add to that the distribution of portions of his loot, how can he go wrong?
I’m not even surprised that he will suggest that the constitution to be amended so one to sawa na ang pag upo, no term limits at all. That way, no need for going around the 3 year or 6 year term limits of local and national posts, respectively.
And the people bought that…oh sugar and spice and all things nice…
vander says
another oot,
…”http://www.theprovince.com/news/world/Chattanooga+shooting+rampage+military+facilities+kills+four+marines+This/11219858/story.html”…
one suspect was killed, named mohammad yusuf abdul aziz.born in kuwait with jordanian passport.
i guess he is a palestinian. gauging his outlook from a published photo.
canadadry says
THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE IS NOW PROMISING FALSE “TEETHS”, viagra,diapers TO SENIORS
all made in china?Of course , the manchurian sponsors can afford that…
vander says
@canadadry,
maganda ang pustiso kung melamine.
siguro mamumudmod rin ng groceries.
kung tutulungan siya ng china, malamang na kasama sa ipalilimos ang bigas.
printed ang mukha niya sa mga supot.
baka mayroon pang durian candies. lol
canadadry says
@vander
pustisong melamine ! LOL
kaya pala maluwag sa puso nyang magbigay..puro pala pamatay
at mga peke ..
regalo mula sa pekeng bayani suportado ng bayang puro peke and produkto
pati claim sa pilipinas pekeng basehan
moonie says
he, he, he, yong mga pustiso were originally taken from the dead people in makati hospital. sayang kasi, e, kung susunugin (as in cremation) ang mga iyon. they would have to be recast though, and molded. hope the previous owners did not have AIDS.
they have to ensure hindi expire ang viagra, or the user will get aneurysm at pupotok yong blood vessel.
HighFive says
ngekkk. hehehehe.
caliphman says
http://politics.com.ph/pnoy-meets-mar-grace-chiz-in-6-hour-dinner-meeting-but-fails-again-to-convince-any-of-them-to-budge/
I hate to break the news to CPM’s diehard Roxas supporters but it looks very unlikely now that Poe will be willing to slide down as his VP candidate in 2016. Moreover, my take of the situation is Pinoy will be meeting Drilon and Belmonte who are split between favoring Roxas and Belmonte respectively to finalize who to announce at the SONA in view of Poe’s continued refusal. Clearly, Pinoy is leaning towards Poe because if he was supporting Roxas, both Drilon and him would have announced Mar a while back.
The only viable options now is for Mar to slide back or announce his retirement and anoint Poe/Escudero or in his place an LP party member like Robledo. Staying with Roxas is party suicide for the LP as most pollsters including the private ones that Pinoy uses generally agree that party machinery and sponsorship are not significant factors in presidential elecions. I tend to agree, unless massive cheating and manipulation of results ala Garci are used to further Daang Matuwid. That woulld be unbridled hypocrisy if that happens.
Pickers1368 says
@Caliphman, something just doesn’t add up there. If as you say that Poe is not willing to slide down, what is the point of insisting that she has not made up her mind yet whether to run or not? Roxas has neither confirmed nor denied that he is running but he did indicate that he is flexible and has a record as such. The contrast between the two is quite glaring and a no-brainer IMO. You can clearly who is more mature, sincere and selfless. Mar seems focused on the mission for the greater good. Poe looks like a battle tactician.
caliphman says
They both want to run for the presidency but have not decided to do so because it entails building alliances, getting resources and support,, who will be VP, etc. etc. What can you not understand about that? You have all these value judgements about Poe and Roxas and you have a right to your opinions but that is irrelevant to the article which has to do with where Pinoy and the LP are leaning to in so far as anointing Poe or Roxas to lead the party’s slate.
Pickers1368 says
Do you think there is consistency in maintaining a position that she has not decided to run or not, but she will not slide down to VP regardless of her decision?
The Roxas line is more consistent. He said he has not announced – which he will in September 2015 – his candidacy. it means it was just a matter of time but he will. At the same time, he is not fixated to the the Presidency and has records to prove his flexibility for the good of the country.
Choice of words and posturing perhaps but they are important when vetting for leadership qualities.
Caliphman says
I do.
Martial Bonifacio says
Binay promises false teeth, diapers, Viagra to Bacolod voters
“BACOLOD CITY — Vice President Jejomar Binay kept a crowd of about 100 mostly female senior citizens amused as he promised things from false teeth, male diapers to Viagra during a talk at the fish port in Sitio Sibucao in Barangay Banago, Bacolod, before noon Thursday.
Binay was accompanied by Alma Moreno, chair of the Councilors League of the Philippines; lawyer Harry Roque and former Rep. Danilo Suarez.
He told the crowd that he would replicate what he did for the people of Makati City once elected president.
After his speech, he joined the crowd waving red white and blue flaglets, mostly in yellow t-shirts, in eating lunch — boodle-fight style — before driving to Robinsons Mall to shake hands with mall goers who stopped for selfies.
The Vice President is scheduled to make similar sorties in Bacolod City during his three-day stay in Negros Occidental which is widely perceived as Mar Roxas Country.”
Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/705567/binay-promises-false-teeth-diapers-viagra-to-bacolod-voters
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At suportado ito ni Atty. Harry Roque to spend our tax money for Viagra? Then they criticize the money spent in sending 60 delegates from different branches of government to the Netherlands for our arbitration case.
Napailing na lang talaga ako…..
moonie says
martial, I’m terribly glad our homegrown experts like roque knows how to count and managed to enumerate the number of delegates we have, showing their intelligence and doing the public a service dahil karamihan sa atin dont know how to count from one to sixty.
but if roque et all really want to impress with their expertise in counting and knowledge in math, they can very well tell us the total number of times china has made sorties into our shoals; the total volume, in metric tons, of our top class tunas stolen from our sea; the amount in billions that china made by selling our tuna to world market. and if our homegrown experts want to go further still, they can very well tell us how many chinese ships are patrolling our shoals, the number of persons in each ship, the number of days it take china to build their garrison, the money they spent.
vander says
“our homegrown experts like roque knows how to count and managed to enumerate the number of delegates we have”,
i would suggest also that rookie take a look at the cost of some material items installed in the MPB to counter the allegations of overpricing.
he seemed to be silent on this outrageous issue.
moonie says
I am starting to think hurry rookie is expert in side stepping details, also expert in looking the other way, gusto pa naman niyang maging senador.
duquemarino says
@Martial Bonifacio @moonie
Hindi lang false teeth ang pinapangako ni Binay, higit na matindi ang FALSE HOPE na ibinabandera nya. Si hurry rookie naman, sourgraping lang dahil hindi sya inimbita ni PNoy para magamit ang kanyang expertise on international law kuno.
moonie says
masakit yan, barya lang pala siya. to think there are other experts, real experts higher in caliber than hurry rookie.
he was bypassed! serves him right. and now, much harried hurry rookie is trying to shift our attention from china’s 9-dash line to the number of delegates, and failing miserably. we shall not, we shall not be moved. we are not distracted too. better luck next, hurry rookie.
yvonne says
TRIVIA #2 ON GRACE POE
According to Grace Poe, the 6 years and 6 months residency she wrote down on her senatorial COC was based or calculated from the time she sold her house in the U.S.
x x x x x
‘Poe admitted she erred in her COC in 2010. “Hindi nga ako abogado at teknikalidad po ang sinasabi nila,” Poe said. (I am not a lawyer and what they are raising is a technicality.’
‘But when she filled out her COC, she started counting from April 2006, when she sold her house in the US, until October 2012, when she filed the election document.’
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/95163-grace-poe-residency
x x x x x
TRIVIA QUESTION: Who actually owned that house when it was sold in April 2006, per U.S. public records, that she used it as basis for counting her residency in her senatorial COC?
yvonne says
AND HERE IS A RE-POST OF TRIVIA #1:
.
PLAYING TRIVIA WITH GRACE POE
While we are anxiously waiting for Grace’s decision to run for President, or Vice-President, independent or under the banner of LP or NP, let us play a little bit of trivia:
GRACE REPORTEDLY CONDUCTED BUSINESS IN THE U.S. DURING HER STAY AT THE U.S.
Questions:
a. With whom did she conduct the business with?
b. What was her position in the business?
c. How many employees did the business have?
d. What was the reported sales volume of that business?
BFD says
Sirit, hirap hanapin sa Google… LOL…
yvonne says
LOL @ BFD
CPMers don’t give up that easily.
BFD says
a. With whom did she conduct the business with?
CSC Scientific, Inc. (2001-2004)
b. What was her position in the business?
Product Manager
c. How many employees did the business have?
11-50 employees
d. What was the reported sales volume of that business?
$100 million annual sales volume.
yvonne says
No, not that one.
It was more like a “family” business.
Try again. LOL!
BFD says
I’ll let others do the researching. I’ve extended my limit.
LOL!
But it was fun… I also found an anti-grace poe website ironically named after her.
What’s most revolting is it disparages Cory Aquino at the same time.
http://www.presidentgracepoe.com/
chit navarro says
there was a post from Baycas earlier where he said “guess no more” and a link was provided showing the address of a Grace Poe Llamanzares, address of a house that she bought from Teodoro Llamanzares but previous to that, the sameproperty was sold to Grace Poe by a group of Jeffrey sonora, et al…
I can;t seem to find that link anymore…
That must tbe the business you are alluding to – buy and sell of the same property which turned hands at least five times, as shown in that link.
House is located somewhere in california and sale/resale is 2008 and prior.
leona says
Sorry, but reading from vyonne’s #s 14 & 14.1, there is this knocking nuisance I noticed before on Grace Poe’s answers to Raissa’s question received last June 10, 2015 about Poe’s citizenship. Her answers:
1. ‘Ako po ay sumumpa doon renouncing–October 2010. Ngayon tungkol dun sa US, nirelease po nila ang aking renunciation 2012.’
Renounced it October 2010. US released such renounciation (or the acceptance of such renouncing of her citizenship 2012. Poe uses the reason due to the ‘long processing.’
But US ‘processing’ is part of their US laws and one is obligated to respect such long processing for the renounciation to be officially effective. So, following that argument,
Poe’s renounciation of US citizenship was officially done ‘in Year 2012.’ Not in October 2010.
Let us ask this: (A) Would Philippine laws on renouncing foreign citizenship be dependable on Philippine laws and not on the laws also of the foreign country – like USA, for purposes of duly recognizing that the renounciation of US citizenship is effectively done? Or it is enough, by Philippine laws to ‘unilaterally’ make the renounciation effectively already as according to Philippine laws disregarding what the US laws says that one is still a US citizen?
Raissa repeats her question. And Grace Poe answered:
‘ . . . kailangan kong balikan ano, pero parang 2011, kalagitnaan.’ Poe added: ‘Bakit?’
And Poe said: ‘Sapagkat sa Batas [she is referring to Philippine laws], complied na ako just by a public officer na Pilipino.’
Is Poe correct? (B) She uses the word ‘complied’ to conclude it was done [like a lawyer but she is not.] Again, on the (A) discussion above, can Poe a US citizen ignore US laws including the US processing of one’s renouncing US citizenship? Isn’t she obligated to honor such laws also before saying ‘complied na ako’?
Note also: Is it alright for Philippine laws as maybe interpreted by our court agencies that ‘complying’ only with Philippine laws to renounce a foreign citizenship, like a US citizenship status, not to follow and ask also whether US laws including it’s processing method has been fully complied with before publishing the renounced foreign US citizenship? If the first answer is ‘Yes’ it is alright, aren’t Philippine laws disregarding US laws that obligated a former Filipino citizen to honor and follow such US laws?
If the answer is ‘No,’ why would it be so? Is it because in the particular case of Grace Poe, she had ‘dual citizenships’: Filipino and US, and Poe is duty bound to follow each laws – US and Philippine laws, in renouncing the former for the latter. This situation is intertwind, so to say. One cannot inexcusably believe that one law was followed and the other law was not. That is not correct. Both laws must be ‘complied’ one after the other becomes effective.
It may not be so crucial having been appointed to the MTRCB office for all of the above discussion. But it becomes crucial or important when she filed her CoC as candidate for Senator which requires ‘. . . and a resident of the Philippines for not less than two years immediately preceding the day of the election.
Two years residency for Senator before the day of election. If it is correct to say that the renounciation of Poe’s US citizenship became effective only sometime in Year 2012, per US laws and it’s long processing method for approving her renounciation, then did Grace Poe have that ‘two years residency’?
In the same manner and question immediately preceding, if Poe aspires for either VP or President, will she have such required 10 years residency for such either such offices?
There is no case law I have yet seen that ruled that a person with dual citizenship like Grace Poe’s situation, where our courts have said it is not necessary to await for the US laws to effectively say that a US citizen has per renunciation of US citizenship has complied fully to such US laws for validity purposes, meaning: Philippine courts or laws can disregard such awaiting the US process and disregard the US foreign laws on that and consider one a Filipino citizen already.
This discussion is about Grace Poe’s ‘residency’ status for her being an elected Senator and for any other higher office(s) at that. If I have erred on bringing anew this or just wasted your time, I am so sorry. Please disregard awaiting my further explanation.
Her ‘citizenship’ is another topic in another bulleltin board.
Caliphman says
Leona, it is indeed a very convoluted issue. You posted here not too long ago that it is confusing enough to understand and adhere to the maze of Philippine laws without the latter requiring one to grasp and be subject to US laws at the same time. Mercifully,our laws on renunciation of foreign citizenships are clear enough and only require the oath of renunciation sworn before an authorized Philippine official. As Chief Justice Panganiban has explained, continued use of a passport or US events not under our control may call into question the sincerity of the previous renunciation, but an acceptable explanation and retaking the oath would reconfirm eligibility.
By the way, may I know which other bulletin board you were referring to? Thank you.
Caliphman says
Rereading your post now has me confused since the acts and events described pertain to renunciation and foreign citizenship..plus I only had a few hours of sleep last night! hehehe.
Citizenship and residency requirements are two separate liquers and kept in different bottles. If one mixes the two together, one is liable to get completely confused and be left with a splitting headache!
leona says
The probable case before the Comelec for disqualification which may reach up to the SC is the other bulletin board.
A full disclosure of it. Caliphman.
Caliphman says
There are bulletin boards, blogs, and forums. Would you care to share a link, Leona?
juanlee says
i am not a lawyer but common sense tells me, under philippine laws grace poe technically renounced her us citizenship on the earlier date. grace poe has to satisfy the philippine requirement of renounciation and she did under philippine law. so to make sure her former country gets her wishes not to be a us citizen any longer she put this officially with the us gov’t so as to satisfy us laws. and the later date is when grace becomes officially a non-us citizen under us laws. will the philippine gov’t (justice system) follow us laws or philippine laws. my opinion is naturally philippine law takes precedence over the us law here in the philippines because it is to be effected in the philippines, if it was to be effected in the us (like paying taxes) us laws apply.
for purposes of candidacy, did grace poe comply with the law, i believe she did and her true intention to be a non-us citizen got further manifested with her officially doing it also with the us gov but because of the process it was not officially recognized by her former country till the later date.
under us law, same sex marriage is legal. will philippine gov also recognize same sex marriage. same with divorce, two filipinos can divorce in the us and remain divorce as long as they stay in the us and they are free to remarry. when one returns to the philippines, can this divorcee. freely remarries under philippine laws.
bottomline, philippine laws are for philippine jurisdiction (within the boundaries of the philippines). other countries will honor it in their own jurisdiction if it is within their nation interest.
with grace poe’s citizenship issue, it is per individual interest…like my personal interest in Mar Roxas to be the next president to continue TUWID NA DAAN and not to have BALIKTUWAD NA DAAN. God is Great.
kalakala says
hindi pa naka post sa google o wiki.
from my coconut shell:
a. monkey
b. sitting
c. nobody knows
d. dagdag bawas volume
leona says
yvonne. . . here’s what editorial phil.news today prints –
‘She has not written anything on politics, or even life in general. We have not heard her give any speeches or even YouTube videos that will give the man-on-the-street an inkling on how her mind works and who Grace Poe really is. All we know is that she is the adopted daughter of the late Fernando Poe Jr. and his wife Susan Roces. That’s it!’
Your ‘transparency disclosures’ topic.
Vhin AB says
Yan ang nakakalungkot. Okay lang naman si Grace Poe na tumakbo dahil demokrasya tayo pero sana naman ay meron din tayong malamang na mga bagay na stand niya sa issues bago man lang pag-usapan kung pwede siyang maging pangulo o hindi.
Kaso sa ngayon ay wala talaga. Nothing. Pero maghintay tayo at baka may mga nagsusulong kay Grace Poe dito na mabigyan tayo ng link. But so far even with the 4 questions that Raissa raised ay silent pa rin si Grace Poe.
leona says
http://philnews.com/
Caliphman says
Leona, since you are openly rooting for Mar and you are questioning why nothing is known about Poe’s positions on Raissa’s main issues, would you care to share what you know of Mar’s stand on this issues? I think it’s only fair that he should be subject to the same scrutiny, don’t you think?
leona says
Caliphman. . . if only I can get near Mar Roxas, you will get so many of it – from me. But re ‘Mar’s stand on this issue’ as you mentioned, I also want to know what is Mar Roxas’ stand (what issue or issues are you specifically asking about from Mar Roxas?) I only ‘share’ what I read here and from the news reports etc. Sorry if insufficient ang supply ko.
I agree it should be fair as you say.
Most of the time I am mixing things here with speculations. My Guesses. My Opinions. Atbpa etc.
Etc. etc.
:-)
Rene-Ipil says
It does not matter whether she sold or not her house, if any, in the US.
I posted the following before:
“My theory is that such confluence of events points to the fact that Poe reacquired Philippine citizenship in 2010.”
It appears that I was wrong because no document shows that Grace Poe took an OATH OF ALLEGIANCE before any Philippine consular or immigration official to reacquire Philippine citizenship. Meaning that she had been residing in the Philippines as an ALIEN before she officially renounced her US citizenship in 2012. After such renunciation Grace Poe became STATELESS due to her failure to reacquire Philippine citizenship in accordance with RA 9225.
yvonne says
@Rene-Ipil
The legal issue on her residency, or shall I say domicile, is another matter for another discussion.
The trivia questions are geared more toward disclosure and transparency. How much do we really know about the person who might be the next Philippine President, or Vice-president?
yvonne says
The same thing with the issue of citizenship – that is another subject for another discussion.
For me, for now, it is just “getting to know more about Grace Poe.”
Vhin AB says
Getting to know Grace more and I hope it’s about national issues so we can gauge her if she’s ready or not. Well in fairness to her, she always says that she’s not ready and I believe her.
leona says
Questions:
a. With whom did she conduct the business with?
b. What was her position in the business?
c. How many employees did the business have?
d. What was the reported sales volume of that business? (by yvonne)
Can you tell us why a-to-d are essential to Poe’s ‘residency’ or ‘citizenship’ issues? I do not know if they are meaningful. Thanks.
leona says
Oh, your meaningful objective is ‘The trivia questions are geared more toward disclosure and transparency. How much do we really know about the person who might be the next Philippine President, or Vice-president?’
Do we really have to know that much on Grace Poe? I am sure it was a legitimate business in US; she was the CEO on that; employed 10 people and gross earning, let’s say $500,000/year. What was the business about? Maybe Travel Tours Office?
Well, for transparency disclosures are okay. I think Poe will reveal all these once she is officially a candidate – if it happens. So far, Mar Roxas ako pa rin. he he – – if also.
yvonne says
@ Leona
Oh, they were just trivia questions geared toward getting to know more about Grace Poe especially because she lived outside of the country for many years, and people lost track of her until she becomes a senator.
I may answer your question differently in a different circumstance.
BFD says
@yvonne,
From what you are implying, Grace Poe has not been forthright in her business dealings while in the US. I have searched the internet here, and it only talks of the FPJ Productions as the possible family business venture she handled, but it’s based on the Philippines not on the US.
Unless…. a “trust fund” can be considered a family business….
BFD says
Or to put it more bluntly, a company funded by the “trust fund” can be considered a “family business.”
Just guessing.
yvonne says
@ BFD
Oh no, I’m not implying that – Grace Poe’s business in the US was legit.
OK, here’s a hint, it was in partnership with a relative. This is just a trivial question so don’t put to much time on it. ;-)
Rene-Ipil says
Leona,
To me the trivia question of Yvonne is meaningful. In my search for an answer which I failed, I found that Grace Poe was somewhere in the vicinity of Hollywood East and Buena Vista Streets, Anaheim, LA sometime ago. She had a picture taken with the family of Anne Binay-Alcantara and posted in Instagram 110 weeks ago or sometime in the last week of 2013, repeat 2013, where she was tagged as Senator Grace.
Rene-Ipil says
May 2013.
yvonne says
@Rene-Ipil and Leona, please see my post #18.1.2
Rene-Ipil says
Yvonne, I don’t see it.
baycas says
It’s here:
http://raissarobles.com/2015/07/15/guess-what-in-a-rare-development-malaysia-indonesia-japan-thailand-sent-observers-to-the-south-china-sea-arbitration-in-the-hague/comment-page-1/#comment-317649
My comment (the ‘parent’ one) was put in “moderation” that’s why all comments succeeding to it we’re left ‘orphaned.’
kalakala says
answer to trivia question from my coconut shell: kung sino man ang nakapangalan sa U.S. public records, still pera ng pilipino tax payers pa rin ang pinangbayad dyan. like napoles
Ariel Anthony Tizon says
On the premise of the first paragraph in this thread, if true, Grace Poe really proved her intention to change her domicile from the US to Pinas. Counting to May 2016 from October 2012 ( filing of senatorial candidacy ) has she complied with the 10 year residency immediately prior to the election requirewment to run for Pres orVicepres?