My hubby Alan could not believe his eyes when he read write-ups from this local head-hunting firm praising the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos and Adolf Hitler.
Below is the result of his investigation. I just helped him gather the reactions.
A Manila-based management recruiting firm that gives leadership awards has extolled Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Attila the Hun, Mao Zedong and Ferdinand Marcos as “superattainers” who are “high achieving individuals.”
The five appear as part of a long list of leadership exemplars on the website of Chalré Associates, which runs the Asia-CEO Awards and hosts a monthly “Asia CEO Forum.” This month, it is organising a lunch featuring senator Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr, son of the deposed Philippine dictator.
To read the rest, please click on this link.
Interestingly, Chalré Associates has a very long list of world leaders. But this doesn’t include the late President Corazon Aquino. It apparently does not consider the woman who was instrumental in booting out Marcos as a “superattainer”.
Chalré Associates operates the Asia CEO Forum, which hands out yearly awards that are well-attended by the country’s top businessmen.
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From 2015 |
Here is a copy of Chalré Associates’ write-up on Marcos:
And here is a copy of Chalré Associates’ writeup on Adolf Hitler:
parengtony says
Usong uso ngayon dito sa CPM ang Grace Poe bashing. Ok lang. Pero meron lang konting mga katanungan:
1. Kung talagang may citizenship at residency problems si Grace Poe, bakit pilit siyang hinahabol na itambal kay Mar? Bakit sobrang takot silang lahat, si Binay lalo na, sa posibleng pag takbo ni Grace? Di ba dapat sa husgado pa lang tapos na ang boksing? Out na agad si Grace?
2. Too ambitious. Arrogant. No experience. Wala bang ibang malalimlalim na issue? At sana naman yung may solid na basehan.
3. Kung nagdesisyon si Grace na huwag tumakbo, sino ang higit na makikinabang? Di ba si Binay?
Chit navarro says
Has there been a confirmation that the meetings between tge presudent and Grace Poe refer to your bo. 1 question?
baycas says
@parengtony,
1. Wala ngang kumpirmasyon, nguni’t ang ‘body language’ ay “hindi mamimiligro ang iyong pagkasenador dahil hindi ka masasampahan ng reklamo ukol sa ‘yong citizenship” at “hindi mo poproblemahin ang reklamo ukol sa ‘yong residency habang ikaw ay abalang bumabalangkas ng plataporma’t naghahanda para sa campaign period.”
2. ‘New blood’ ang nagpataas sa survey rating ni Poe. Ang positibo para kay Poe ay siya namang ginagawang negatibo ng mga kalaban. Mas matindi pa nga, sa totoo lang, ang ginagawa ng animo’y kaalyado niyang si PNoy na ipinamumukha sa madla na kailangan pang ‘turuan’ si Poe habang si Poe’y pasasamahan sana na mag-ikot ng Pilipinas.
3. Naniniwala ang Malacañang na kaya ng ABADiyet, among other things, na magpanalo ng talunan sa survey. Pag tumakbo naman sa pagkapangulo si Poe…ang ‘body language’ naman ay “sige ka, Grace, sa ‘yo nakaatang ang pagkakawatak-watak ng ‘coalition’ dahil mahahati ang boto laban kay Binay. Ang lingid sa panlabas ay si PNoy mismo ang mauunang magbubunsod ng pagkakahati-hati ng ‘coalition’ kapag hinirang na niya finally si Mar.
Entertaining!
chit navarro says
I like that analysis @Baycas –
the #2 – “Mas matindi pa nga, sa totoo lang, ang ginagawa ng animo’y kaalaydo niyang si PNoy na ipinamumukha sa madla na kailangan pang turuan si Poe habang si Poe’y pasasamahan sana na mag-ikot ng Pilipinas.”
Habang nagpapakipot siya, lalo namang tumitindi ang labas ng mga negatibong issues sa kanya. At hindi ako naniniwala na NP will support her candidacy – di ba si Cayetano nasa NP din?
NPC – eh kung si Mark Cojuangco sinansabing he is behind Binay, split din ba ang support ng mag-amang Cojuangco?
NHerrera says
Good question.
Let me try my one-centavo worth of a general response, not on the specific questions. Forget for the moment the survey ratings. Suppose we at CPM were to elect one of the three — Binay, Poe, Roxas (note that the list is fairly sequenced; it is in alphabetical order) — as the new owner-manager of CPM, then you can understand the bashing. We do not represent the average thought of the Filipino voter, we represent the thoughts of CPM — warts and all. Meaning, the majority CPM like Roxas to head rather than the first two, hence the bashing. We can only hope, in accordance with the regard we place on Raissa’s Blog and its contributors, the bashing is done with good reasons and not pure, un-adulterated malice.
moonie says
right you are, nherrera. the mind free associates and think in all directions. we’re hashing and rehashing, though many called it bashing. sensationalized to connote violence. stick and stones hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me.
cha says
I am not a fan of Grace Poe myself but I do wonder if the continuing attacks and criticisms on her person would prove in the end to be counterproductive, at least in so far as far as pushing forward the candidacy of someone more deserving.
For one thing, it seems that those in the Binay camp are the ones following through and getting leverage on the issues being raised by mostly well-meaning netizens here and in other social media platforms on Grace Poe’s citizenship and residency initially and which of late, seems to have morphed into an issue of love of country.
Also, the nastiness and viciousness of some of the attacks levelled on her could possibly backfire by casting her as the underdog, the darling of the masa being bullied by those who want another ‘elitista’ in power. In the hands of a good campaign strategist, there is a goldmine of opportunity right there to exploit and paint her as one with the many who are suffering in life because of the selfishness and apathy of the ruling elite to their plight.
Just putting these thoughts out there, not to criticise or call out anyone here but more to inquire as to how do we move forward from here?
JoeAm says
A number of interesting issues here.
The risk of pushing Senator Poe out of the presidential picture, with Binay rising. To me, those who say that are using an intimidation technique to tell me not to speak my heart and mind. Rather like a guilt trip, and I should feel bad if Binay wins if at some point I was harsh with Senator Poe. And they will curse me to my face forever. I think a campaign is about figuring things out, with listening as well as speaking, and I don’t think any voices should be suppressed. It is better to simply prove the error of someone’s view. If I consider Senator Poe arrogant, ask how I come to that conclusion. I’ll say so, and whoever wants to know can explain how I’m wrong. Then we can both learn. But if someone shouts at me that I’m unfair and an idiot without knowing from where I come, then I resist that kind of intimidation.
Nastiness and viciousness. Do you realize how nasty and vicious people are to Jejomar Binay? Shall we tell them to get civil? I don’t know if my writing comes into that definition or not. I once called Sen. Poe a “political snake”, using my typical artistic liberties. I regretted it, and don’t do that anymore. But who said politics is easy? Ask John McCain about that. Again, can I not say anything direct and hard hitting, for fear that the campaign moralists will take me to task? I can’t help it if I have a typewriter that likes to write for impact. Sometimes that is the best way to get discussion.
If the issue is separated from the persons.
How we move forward? Listen as well as speak. Ask as well as yell.
canadadry says
STAY ABOVE THE FRAY JOE AM, YOU’RE DOING GOOD!
what matters is you have the guts to be in the thick of things.say your piece and make us who likes your comments be glad you spelled them out as you said them better than us. There are days I dont agree on what you said but most of the time, I do. It takes intestinal fortitude to allow oneself to be exposed and possibly gets hammered for one’s beliefs but who cares. . So every time you receive or read something hurled against you just read this note. It is always easy to find fault but harder to be civilized on another man’s beliefs different from yours. Next day we may no longer be around but the passion in our spoken beliefs stay in the universal consciousness and eventually helps in shaping a better sea of humanity.
JoeAm says
Thank you, canadadry. I appreciate the wise counsel and supportive encouragement.
JoeAm says
Thank you, canadadry. I appreciate the wise counsel and encouragement.
cha says
I am not sure which part of my comment made you feel this was about you. Or maybe it’s not my comment but the preceding one that made you feel alluded to. Either way, both parengtony and myself are simply expressing our views, each quite different from the other in terms of trajectory, but neither of which I think are phrased to intimidate.
My thinking is that there are many ways to skin a cat.
There are different ways of thinking through a situation or task on hand. We can look at facts, we can explore our gut reactions and emotions to a proposition, advocate for or against a specific position or sell the benefits and advantages of the same, we can also opt to explore other possibilities or alternatives, or even just reflect on how or where we are in our thinking process relative to the task.
Edward de Bono, an educator and authority on critical and creative thinking identifies at least 6 different thinking hats we all put on in different situations, one for each of the examples I enumerated above. Some of us have our favorite hats which may not always lead us to the best solution to our problems. The idea is to put on as many hats as possible when confronted with a situation that calls for critical thinking and analysis. This enables us to dig deeper, assess the situation from different perspectives and come up with creative solutions and approaches to accomplish our objectives.
When someone else puts on a different thinking hat from what we already have on, it is not necessarily an attempt to intimidate or inhibit our own thinking. It is simply an attempt to bring another perspective, another way of thinking.
“We May Have A Perfectly Adequate Way Of Doing Something, But That Does Not Mean There Cannot Be A Better Way. So We Set Out To Find An Alternative Way. This Is The Basis Of Any Improvement That Is Not Fault Correction Or Problem Solving.” (Edward de Bono)
pickers1368 says
@Cha. Soldier on. I hear your voice. That is badly needed here for a more balanced view. Let us cover all the issues. We may not like some arguments put out there but we are going to walk away with something once we close the browser.
cha says
Thank you @pickers for your openmindedness. Our minds, some say, is like a parachute. It only works when it is open. :)
baycas says
http://www.news.com.au/technology/i-dont-want-to-be-bullied-by-information-edward-de-bono-says-social-media-makes-us-stupid/story-e6frfro0-1226157280438
But Mang Bernie likes googling (of course, ‘ogling’ too). He is without a ‘face,’ not a ‘twit’ (mind you) and is not into ‘instant gram’ though.
@cha,
Thanks for mentioning de Bono…
cha says
Hi Baycas.
You know I’ve been thinking about your Mang Bernie a lot lately. If I were a candidate wanting to get more inroads through the masa, I would get my hands on Mang Bernie and pick on his brains to get ideas on how I can sell myself to the people.
baycas says
http://www.news.com.au/technology/i-dont-want-to-be-bullied-by-information-edward-de-bono-says-social-media-makes-us-stupid/story-e6frfro0-1226157280438
But Mang Bernie likes googling (of course, ‘ogling’ too). He is without a ‘face,’ not a ‘twit’ (mind you) and is not into ‘instant gram’ though.
@cha,
Thanks for mentioning de Bono…
JoeAm says
Well, it is easy to personalize complaints when one receives them directly, and sometimes unkindly (as in, “you are not welcome here, Joe”). And my comment was mainly me talking to myself, so no need for you to personalize, either. And I did answer your question in the last line. You, and Edward de Bono, are calling for pretty much the same thing. Recognize that everyone is entitled to arrive on a different path from that we came in on, and so they will have a different view of some things, and that view ought to be respected. If we listen before we yell, we might actually understand that their view has some merit. And suggesting people not speak because they disagree is counter to all notions that we are a thinking, introspective species. The challenge . . . and it is huge . . . is to develop the discipline to speak to others who are not kind in a way that is kind. It is a skill that I am still developing, that Yvonne demonstrates better than most, and you do, too.
cha says
It’s one of the frustrating things about communicating electronically, we are often writing what is basically still inside our heads and so oftentimes the message is really bereft of any emotion but then when the other party reads our message it is often read in a certain tone the other imagines it to be if it were an actual conversation.
My daughter and I try to get around this by attaching emoticons to our txt msgs to each other. I wish there was an emoticon for just talking to myself or thinking aloud here or just introspecting and not tdirecting at anyone in particular which we both were doing in our initial posts. :) And one for trying to be reconciliatory actually which we might have been both in our suceeding reply. :)
JoeAm says
Yes, indeed, and if I could do hands clapping, I’d insert them here. Or push the like button about five times.
yvonne says
You raised valid concerns @cha.
Let me put it his way. In the people’s strong desire and haste to get rid of Erap we blindly accepted Arroyo, and look what the country had, or where the country headed with Arroyo.
One might say that Arroyo, being the Vice-president then, was the rightful successor to Erap but it was supposed to be an extra-constitutional people’s power revolution so someone else more deserving could have been selected.
We need to learn our lesson from the past. We could get blinded in our eagerness to get rid of Binay that we would unquestionably accept someone else whose only strong suit is that he, or she, can defeat Binay. I think we should look beyond popularity.
I have been posting comments critical of Grace but I never ask anyone not to vote for her. I just want her to be upfront and transparent. I even declared that I will support her upcoming candidacy if her husband Neil would likewise renounce his US citizenship; yes, I will support her on that token gesture that she is willing to listen to, and address, the people’s concern.
What I find disturbing is that even the strongest Poe-supporter in CPM himself declared that Poe is not his choice for President but is supporting her simply because he viewed her as the only viable candidate to defeat Binay. Are we saying now that let us forget about intentions, skills, and political platforms, and just go with popularity?
If I were Grace, I would take the so-called “bashing” as an opportunity to address those concerns – introduce herself, outline her skills, and declare her would-be platform of government. She had been outside of the country for many years and she is a freshman senator so her political mettle is, for the most part, unknown and untested. The people need to know her better.
Each of us has our own voice in Raissa’s blog. I’m always eager to listen and learn why Grace deserves to be the next President, and why the country will be better off with her presidency. If she would explain that to us, I could be one of her strongest supporters here at CPM.
Vhin AB says
I agree with the way you explained it @Yvonne. Sen. Grace Poe can run for president if she wants for all I care but I want to know her stand on different issues and all the things about her.
She just showed from nowhere and that’s not my fault. She should be giving us a glimpse of herself while touring the country. This shoul be the best time but all I hear is generalizations and motherhood statements or “making consultations”. She needs to project leadership and readiness now and not tomorrow.
If I will vote for a candidate then I have all the right to know who I am voting for.That goes to all of them who are eyeing the presidency and not just Poe. Kung siya man ay flavor of the month sa CPM ay dapat lang dahil marami pa tayong hindi alam sa kanya.
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Vhin AB says
** She just showed UP from nowhere…”**
cha says
Thank you Yvonne for your understanding. I was most worried when I was writing my earlier comment that you might take it as a criticism of your previous ‘exposes’ on Poe, which it really is not. I have to say I am so relieved that you took it with an open mind and that you were discerning enough to realize that it really wasn’t about you at all.
I do believe that what you have disclosed about Grace Poe in the past and might still reveal in the coming days are important and substantial issues that should cause thinking Filipinos to take pause and think through the implications of voting Grace Poe for President. So please don’t stop with that. We do need that kind of thinking hat.
My concern is really how we to get through to the more gullible segments of the voting population and raise the same red flags on a Grace Poe presidency without it backfiring and endearing her even more to the ‘masang Pilipino’. I was actually hoping to start a discussion along that line.
How do we put cracks on Grace Poe’s stranglehold on that vote rich segment of the population without simply transferring the votes to the even greater pretender and manipulator of public opinion that is Jojo Binay? Put another way, how do we sell the better candidate to the people?
cha says
P.S.
The better candidate being neither Poe nor Binay.
pickers1368 says
“some of the attacks leveled on her could possibly backfire by casting her as the underdog, the darling of the masa being bullied by those who want another ‘elitista’ in power.” This unintended consequence is not far-fetched at all. Ask Toby Tianco why?
yvonne says
@pickers1368
I’ll take a self-imposed moratorium on Grace. I’ll be posting next, possibly on my Facebook page, a critical piece on the Binays.
pickers1368 says
@Yvonne, the residence issue is factual and evidentiary in nature. I myself do not consider that a personal attack. WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH.
moonie says
pickers1368, I do hope grace can handle the truth too. her being constant at number one sa mga surverys make her center of attention, both good and bad attention, that goes with fame. she has got to learn to take the good with the bad, not just pick and choose. if she chooses only the good, nah, she’s not that short sighted, ask susan. not everyone is going to be grace’s yes man. there are those that will look her over and critique her. best selling books got critiqued too, same movies, all passed through critical reviews.
in my humble opinion, I dont think anyone here is very presumptive to think he/she can bring super, topnotcher grace down with just a stroke of a pen. it is plain though, that all wants to know more about grace, if only she is forthcoming with info.
moonie says
as one time chairperson of movie industry, grace must be familiar with critical reviews. she has chaired so many reviews and knows that not all reviews are favorable, some can be downright scathing maybe because the movie sucks.
pickers1368 says
Hear ya. Medyo circumspect lang, baka matoby tianco ulit at bumulusok na naman ang poll numbers. the pol groups are completely rudderless – walang leadership. kung saan ang poll numbers doon ang direction.
Vhin AB says
Agree @Pickers1368. But as CPMers we will not be swayed by surveys. All of them will go through a lot of critical reviews before they get our votes.
pickers1368 says
I always think that people know enough about Poe as a person and the rest are either just re-affirmation or simply for entertainment value. I don’t know who can do a Katie Couric and breach her comfort zone her but the ambush interview at the Senate floor (was it June 10, 2015?) and the follow-up ABS-CBN interview on the same issues were revealing. But here is a question. Regardless of whether or not we like Poe as a person, a foundling, a dual-citizen who renounced her US citizenship for whatever reason, can we separate that from the standard that will be used to elect a P or VP if she decides to run? Some will not separate the character from the deeds and skills and that is pretty normal. After all, character makes a man (or a woman). Of course, the onus is on her to make a case that she has more than meets the eye, provided we give her the space and turn the volume down so she could be heard. I would anticipate being in that flank where anything that comes out will just be for entertainment value, but I dread to think that she wings, glides by and waltz her way to the Palace propelled by sympathy votes because she was denied a chance to bare herself.
Caliphman says
Pickers, I am too busy to respond to each and every insinuation or attack Poe which in my opinion I consider unfair, unsupported by known facts, or just poor speculation. As Herrerra pointed out most everyone here seems antiPoe as is the case in JoeAms blogsite including Joe himself as he is for Mar ashe claims and apparently assumes he knows what is best for Filipinos. Let me just say a couple of things since it appears no one here except me is willing to respond to these insinuations.
Firstly, the masa vote represents the plurality if not the majority of the electorate that since time our demoracy was formed and they vote in most of our local and national leaders including, Estrada, Aquino, and in 2016 Binay or Poe. What they base their votes you or I may consider superficial, uninformed, or perhaps the worst choice for the country but clearly they tend to vote not so much on message or issues but on who the messenger is. Unfortunately for Roxas, this is the very root of his problem and he is starting way at the back of the lead pack. I am not a big proponent of personal smear campaigns against rival candidates particularly when positions and policies have not yet been disclosed but such campaigns may actually increase instead of eroding Poe’ s popularity with the masa. Many of them came from Binay’s camp and switched to Poe only when AMLA and OMB came up with evidence that was hard for Binay to deny or ascribe to just politics, but even now his trust ratings are at their highest ever and better than Pinoy’s.
I have always maintained that voter education and reform should be one of the most important priorities to change this perennial predicament that the Philippines faces generation after generation even when there are elections and the outcomes are not altered by massive fraud. This coming election will be no different as this has to be a massive continuing effort and not only during the capaign as it ill be perceived by the masa as jst another political gimmick.
Having said all this,so why are issues and policy platforms and priorities even important if the results of the elections are driven by masa votes which are not based on them? It is because we as the segment of informed and very vocal voters can criticize what Binay, Poe, Duterte, or Roxas submit as their platform and just as our voices here in these forums and other media were heard by the Supreme Court in their ongoing deliberations oncondontion, they may also shape the policies of the presidential candidates, including Roxas and Poe if and when they develop and discose them.
This is the only reason i can see why it may still be worth coming here when the opinions at times seem so one sided and often from my view baseless and unfair.
This is not exactly my idea of fun but its nots always been like this.
Pickers1368 says
@Caliphman, I don’t know how old you are but to be brutally frank with you, based on the last para of your post, you need to get over it, and for lack of better word, duke it out without hurting yourself or emotionally disturbed. You are a very smart person and can see things in so many angles that I can’t even imagine myself to even have a notion of let alone articulate. But it seems like you are a bit consumed and affected by the very same issues that concern the people in general. If you don’t mind, can you please refrain from calling Yvonne names? Thank you.
JoeAm says
I don’t speak for anyone but JoeAm and for sure Filipinos who inhabit my blog and this one have the brains and character to speak for themselves. I don’t see any puppets at either site.
caliphman says
With all due respect, I did not say you pulled anyone’s strings at your blogsite, Joe. But if you dont mind my stating my opinion, I think your essays on Poe tends to ascribe words and positions to her that she has never taken or said in order to promote your sometimes unstated support of Mar’s candidacy. And when you are called out on your lack of neutrality, you dismiss the criticism by claiming either being your bias towards Mar is just fine because you are doing it for the good of the country even if it ends up misleading your readers on what Poe really said instead of just the hunch or speculation of a biased author. You like to put down the Inquirer for being misleading, is this not the same standard of journalism that you are practicing in this case?
chit navarro says
Hello Cha,
IMO, I do not think we will reach that point, of a good campaign strategist turning all these issues on her citizenship and love of country to an image of an underdog”. Sooner or later, somebody will question her citizenship status before the courts and this will be settled prior to the filing of CoC’s.. and if not settled, the COMELEC may have reservations in accepting her candidacy.
On the other side, a great campaign strategist can also capitalize on the elitist issue of Mar Roxas and spin it to something like “IPINANGANAK NA MAYAMN – HINDI NA KAILANGAN ANG KABAN NG BAYAN” or something to that effect…
Campaign strategists know where to hitch their bankbooks soon – those who have their own funds to disburse and not wait for donations from big business… :) :)
cha says
Hi Chit,
They’re already at it, It seems. Look at what Poe’s Chief of Staff, Nelson Victorino, said in an Inquirer report just yesterday:
“As for the latest attack on Poe’s citizenship, her chief of staff Nelson Victorino reiterated her explanation that she has renounced her American citizenship years before going into government service.
“Now, she is a Filipino public servant who has taken an oath to serve the best interest of the Filipino people and uphold and defend the laws and the Constitution of our country. She is and will abide by her oath,” Victorino said in a statement.
He added that the true measure of love and loyalty to the country is not just the taking of an oath, but adherence to one’s sworn duty in mind and in practice, and that is what Poe is doing.”
The insinuation in those words is that Poe is toiling honestly for the Filipino people while the likes of Binay have and are still raiding the national treasury. Sweet, soothing words of comfort for the suffering masa. Never mind that her friends and avid supporters the Estradas are convicted and accused plunderers themselves.
vander says
iyon po ba ang klase ng honesty ni GP?
tahimik sa isyu ni jjb? kailan lang siya umimik, nang birahin siya ng mga tuta nito.
tahimik sa 3 nakapiit?
pinaikot ang mamasapano report at nagpahiwatig pang papapanagutin si pnoy.
upakan nang upakan si puri hanggang mapatalsik(di naman ako kontra kung kaylangang magdusa ni puri)
ewan ko kung anong kalseng pagmamahal sa bansa ang naipakita niyang tunay.
pagmamahal kay escuadero, yun, yun ang tunay!
nahihiwagaan ako, magkapatid kaya sila?
kapatid din ba nila si bb-em?
cha says
Exactly, @Vander, Chit and Vhin. We are able to recognise the incredulity and hypocrisy in those statements but the peope they are actually speaking to, Poe’s adoring masses, they do not. And Victorino, Escudero and everyone else around Grace Poe are too smart to not know this. So the question is, how can a more deserving candidate outsmart them?
chit navarro says
I checked out the article as well as the comments.
More of the comments were negative on Poe – on her selfish interests to the country.
Of course, the chief of staff will have to state a favorable spin on this. He is being paid to do it. But look, he mentioned “years before going into government service” – he could have mentioned she renounced her citizenship in what year to show it was really years before…”
as to “adherence to one’s own sworn duty – “, why did her boss-Senator not participate in the ongoing Binay investigation? Or did she say anything about the Estrada case?
Two years of being Senator – what has she done?
Vhin AB says
As MTRCB chair and as senator, what has she done?
Let’s talk about it.
Ha? What is it to talk about?
Exactly. Now, if Grace Poe really wants to project herself as a better candidate for president then she has to give us more of her stand on issues. Specifics and not motherhood statements.
Meron pala, yung makipag usap daw sa China pero ang kundisyon ng China ay makikipag usap lang sila sa atin kapag pumayag tayo na sa kanila ang lahat ng islands sa West Philippine Sea. Kapareho niya ang stand ni Binay. Wonderful, isn’t it?
She showed up just few years ago when PNoy offered her the chairmanship for MTRCB. How convemient. Grace should let us know her more since she’s eyeing the presidency. She maybe a nice person, no doubt, but her stand on many issues is by far more important to me. And I hope that her husband is a lot better than FG Mike Arroyo. Napaso na eh.
vander says
sori folks.
i don’t find her nice.
oportunista.
iyon ang nakita ko…
leona says
Kaunti lang ang ‘bashing’. . . for those who did bashed Grace Poe.
But since she has become a news worthy personality, she understands she will get some bashing for it.
But let us not do much bashing. Give Grace Poe the benefit of the doubt of good intentions for the people and country. Otherwise, if so many thousands start really bashing her erroneously, she might start crying on it. And I hate to see one cry.
Mar Roxas pa rin ako!
yvonne says
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SENATORS ALAN PETER CAYETANO AND GRACE POE
Senator Alan Peter Cayetano became a US citizen by Jus sanguinis. He renounced his US citizenship in 1998 and his expatriation was recorded in the Federal Register in Q1 1999.
Senator Grace Poe became a US citizen by naturalization; she renounced her Filipino citizenship to become a US citizen.
Senator Cayetano’s wife did not become a US citizen. Senator Poe’s husband, Neil, is a US citizen.
Senator Cayetano does not own residential houses in US. Senator Poe owns two residential houses in the US, according to her SALN.
Alan Peter Cayetano, a senior senator, is not running for the Presidency. But GracePoe, a freshman senator, is eyeing the Presidency.
On those basis, who do you think should be more deserving to run for President – Cayetano or Poe?
NHerrera says
On those bases, it is like you are asking the question, will the sun be there still tomorrow?
But to add another point of comparison:
Cayetano says it straight — Binay is corrupt and lies. Poe has a penchant for phraseology — such as, more important for a President is his honesty and intentions for the country (implying, of course, that those will apply to her if she runs for and becomes President).
As an old teacher said in my civics class, intention is worth less than a centavo, action is worth a peso. (Those were the days when the mighty peso was worth a lot.)
Vhin AB says
Sen. Alan Cayetano is more deserving to run although he’s not eyeing it for now. People can say what they want against this guy but at least he knows where he stands on national issues.
He is smart and knows his politics. He can debate against anybody and always ready in any senate hearing with matching Powerpoint. He articulates well, too. I’m not saying that he’s a saint because he is still a politician but not corrupt. Sulit ang ibinabayad sa kanya.
Rene-Ipil says
Binay and Poe are “self-liquidating” problems. Look how they “liquidate” each other with the help of some CPMers.
In the previous article @47.2.1.1.2, Yvonne early yesterday morning at about 3 AM started questioning the act of Poe in renouncing her motherland – our beloved Philippines – and in swearing allegiance to the US of A.
At about 4 AM yesterday @48, Vhin cited Yvonne’s comment above and even posted the entire oath of allegiance taken by Poe to the US of A.
Afternoon of same day VP Binay exactly repeated what Yvonne and Vhin posted in this blog as stated above and attacked Poe accordingly in his speech in Tayabas, Quezon. The copies of the said speech were distributed to his friends in media. Soon thereafter Poe counter attacked.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/706910/poes-camp-to-binay-sen-grace-poe-is-a-filipino
Binay and Poe are now after each other’s throat employing tactics learned from Raissa’s blog.
Vhin AB says
For Binay there’s no point of attacking Roxas. Poe at this point is the real challenger. Binay is confident that he can beat Roxas mano-a-mano.
Citizenship, residency and NOW LOYALTY to our country will be Grace Poe’s problem in the next few weeks, if not months. So she definitely needs a very good script, why? Nag renounce lang ng US CITIZENENSHIP dahil sa posisyon sa MTRCB. Tapos gusto ng mag-presidente. Teka muna at magpahinog muna madam!
Rene-Ipil says
Now, the substantive issues against Binay and Poe are clear and definitive.
Against Binay are massive corruption and political dynasty.
Against Poe are lack of residency, foreign citizenship or lack of it and disloyalty to motherland.
Substantive issues are absent – NADA in Leona’s term – against Roxas.
Vhin AB says
Detractors can definitely find one. When PNoy started the NO WANG WANG policy and portrayed himself as honest and not corrupt leader, the leftists started a propaganda that the president is lazy and just playing video games. Some people believed it but most people did not. Proof, Corona was ousted and GMA, Enrile, Bong and Jinggoy in jail.
But I can live with what PNoy’s detractors are saying basta huwag lang magnanakaw kagaya ng mga naunang presidente at hanggang leeg na kaso ni VP Binay.
yvonne says
@Vhin AB
With Binay and Poe after each other’s throat, Roxas is bound to increase his political capital.
chit navarro says
and Roxas has not started campaigning yet.
He is simply doing his job, until he is proclaimed as a candidate. And that’s when we will see how his numbers soar…
God bless our country! (irrespective of whether we are residents in our country or not, we are still Filipinos who love our country and want to see the economic gains it has now do not go to waste!)
Vhin AB says
And as long as Korina stays in her cage hahahaha
yvonne says
Hi Chit,
For awhile there I thought you were a Poe supporter and behind my mind I was thinking , “oops what would Chit think about this…?” whenever I posted an unfavorable comment.
chit navarro says
Hello Yvonne,
Nope- never been! Even when Joe America started praising Grace Poe long before, I already commented on my reservations. I have always been for Mar Roxas… as most of my friends in Congress do.
A few times I have tried replying to all thsoe nasty comments to your posts, especially to one that calls you a Binay Attack B… (:… but doing it on my Iphone doesn’t give me the “ready-made” platform to reply – if I forget to fill in the blanks, my message is erased…
I really do admire your patience and professionalism, Ms. Job or Sta. Rita de Cascia – but then, there is no reason to put yourself to the level of these other kind of “trolls”…
kalakala says
@ chit navarro says:
July 23, 2015 at 8:56 am
thank you for mentioning “Sta. Rita de Cascia” – the patroness of impossible. let us spread the word about her so most of the catholic CPMers will pray and ask for her intercession.
chit navarro says
@kalakala – yes, let’s all go to her and prya for ehr intercession to give us another President whose heart is for our country and it citizens…
one whose name is MAR ROXAS…
:) :) :)
HARD-SELL BA MASYADO?
vander says
ganoon talaga ang de-kalidad na paninda.
mahirap ibenta dahil talagang malalim sa bulsa.
pero kwidaw tayo sa murang paninda na madaling masira, gawa sa Tsena.
un iyong madaling mapansin dahil mababaw sa bulsa.
subalit kababayad mo pa lang, maghahanap ka na agad ng pamalit!
kalakala says
mar is a performer – meaningh doing his job very well. business process outsourcing o mga call center is mar’s brain child during the term of erap as trade secretary. today, there are more than hundred of thousands employee at call centers that wise voters can think of to help communicate and educate the masa who mar roxas is. i can see his popularity soars as soon as he start campaigning.
NHerrera says
Rene, slightly oblique from your note above, but related to netizens perhaps having influence about the Grace Poe narrative, which I title as follows.
NETIZENS GROUNDSWELL FOR GRACE WANING?
Assuming political surveys of online news readers of the Philippine Daily Inquirer and the Philippine Star are representatives of so-called NETIZENS, as shown in the following,
– PDI on Presidential Preferences from 11,438 respondents (ref earlier post from Rene-Ipil):
Roxas 68%, Poe 25%?, Escudero 7%?
– Philstar on who the President will anoint after the SONA from 231 respondents with survey still CONTINUING (ref earlier post from leona):
Roxas 62%, Grace Poe 28%, Neither 10%
what happened to the early groundswell of netizens for Grace? Waning if those numbers are any indication.
Rene-Ipil says
Not at all oblique. Poe’s fall from grace has been triggered to a large extent by Binay, Tianco and JVB.
I expect Binay’s numbers to nosedive now that Poe is after his slimy throat. Poe is still soooo popular that her legion of supporters would curse Binay.
But of course the CPM started it all. Let’s just bring it on.
NHerrera says
VIGOROUS AWAKENING OF THE POWER OF NETIZENS
Filipinos are known for taking wholeheartedly to “texting” using the previously labeled “cellphone.” With the Filipinos continuing appreciation of the digital world — smartphone, tablets — we hope that netizens use the coming 2016 Election to achieve a phenomenon for the country’s good.
NETIZENS OF THE PHILIPPINES ARISE. Devote a little time from your facebooking, whatsapping, twittering, selfieing to read important country news affecting our future and express your views on who you believe to be the right persons to vote for and who not to vote for in the 2016 Elections. AND TELL your relatives and friends. We netizens have importance and power more than we realize.
BFD says
NETIZENS OF THE PHILIPPINES ARISE has been and is still the Bangon Pilipinas slogan of Brother Eddie Villanueva.
It’s a declaration that’s coming true at this current time.
The country is distinguishing itself as a leader of Asia through its diplomatic initiative, has a high GDP growth, with a stable economy. We are Third World country with a big and stout heart, even a courageous heart.
NHerrera says
It’s good you brought up Brother Eddie Villanueva’s “Bagon Pilipinas.” Timely indeed. For our part in the cause, we contributors and readers here at CPM with our big, stout and courageous hearts should shout:
BANGON PILIPINAS NETIZENS
and use our computers, tablets and smartphones and word of mouth to spread the good words to relatives, friends and others.
JoeAm says
@NHerrera, you need to pop over to my blog to check Sal’s calculations and logic.
Rene-Ipil says
JoeAm’s blog on Poe.
“Arrogant and too ambitious.”
http://joeam.com/2015/07/23/a-dislike-of-grace-poe-rolls-across-social-media/
Brutus spoke on Julius Caesar’s funeral after stabbing him to death in the halls of the Roman senate during the ides of March.
“As Caesar loved me, I weep for him;
as he was fortunate, I rejoice at it; as he was
valiant, I honour him: but, as he was ambitious, I
slew him.”
Indeed, a dear friend of FPJ promised to question Poe’s citizenship and residency if Poe runs as president. The reason is that Poe is too AMBITIOUS.
NHerrera says
Joe, I ran over to your place, read your note and Sal’s “Multi-variant regression analysis, 12 independent variables, well-tested coefficients producing a 95% level of confidence.” I find his numbers persuasive. I have to run it over my Magician friend, if he agrees with the details. Those two think quite alike especially with several bottles of San Mig between them. On the phone my friend says the high falutin’ analysis is probably more like a lot of beer spiked with a shot or two of our favorite whisky, a potent brew. However Sal got those numbers, he trusts his friend Sal, because he himself is a Magician. Thanks for the notice.
CPMers, and Raissa Blog readers, it will be worth your time to pay a visit:
http://joeam.com/2015/07/23/a-dislike-of-grace-poe-rolls-across-social-media/
JoeAm says
@NHerrera, your magician friend has skills, no question.
BFD says
Do you know why NPC would be supporting Poe when she decides to run as P?
It’s because she could pack the SC with Justices that could decide favorably on Danding’s court cases.. NPC is headed by Danding Cojuangco, a former Marcos crony, who up to now has pending cases before the Judiciary.
Will we voters let this be?
BFD says
Also, I find this interesting.
http://www.philstar.com:8080/headlines/2015/07/23/1480000/noy-cleared-purisima-ex-saf-chief-charged
I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist, but I just find it interesting that Napenas would run under BBM’s KBL.
Pickers1368 says
One unrelated, for quickbreak: Western Texas Intermediate is down 0.64 to $50.22 and we are being gouged at the pump as if a barrel is in the $90’s. Hate this NAFTA.
NHerrera says
HALO-HALO A LA MODE
– Marcos-Duterte gaining support from KBL, PMM
– Cancer-free Miriam wants to run in 2016
– Binay’s UNA still courting Duterte
– NPC members will likely support Poe-Escudero
– Poe and Escudero together in Koronadal
– Poe still uncertain of her plans
– LP heads for break-up
– LP supports the President’s endorsement after consultation process
– Ate V not running for higher office — Senator hubby speaks, not Ate Vi
– Drilon: Pres announcement in July 29-31
I have to take out some of the ingredients in my Halo-halo. Too rich for my blood.
pelang says
“Ate Vi not running for higher office – says Mr. Vilma Santos.” Paano, hindi niya matanggap tanggap na successful ang misis pagka-politician. lahat tama ang ginagawa. Katuwiran niya, dahil sa kanya naging successful si Ate Vi. Palagay ko, mayrong sariling talent si Ate Vi. Mukhang hindi siya maligaya para sa Misis niya dahil siya itong politician, ang misis niya ang more successful politically. Kaya, ayaw niyang payagan.
vander says
“– Poe still uncertain of her plans,”
i think she is certain.
what is not certain is the donor/support.
hehehe.
who knows, after a while she’ll be running back to papa.
hey papa p coli noy, i’m here. take me back.
take back the boat on the river.
hehehe..
dalisay says
imho any survey done online or requires going to a newspaper misses the folks in palengkes, the folks that binay has developed an art form in connecting with, the 30% that seems to be sticking with robinhoodlum,, the folks that get their information from radio, the d and e folks that vastly outnumber the rest of the country’s voters. i continue to be “kinikilabutan”. i am now plain dalisay, used to be candoit.
kalakala says
MARLEN RORO parin!
NO NO to POE – Puppet Of Escudero
leona says
Poll Survey: Whom should President Aquino endorse as Liberal Party standard bearer in 2016?
Mar Roxas – 59%/ 20
Grace Poe – 32%/ 11
Neither – 9%/ 2
Total Votes 34
Philstar Poll
Vote at Philstar! Come one Come Poll!
:-)
baycas says
Philstar:
Bloomberg survey:
Pero may mas kaunti pa:
Broomberg survey:
Boss</b (shouting): "Hoy, Gani! Huwag ka ngang pauPoe-uPoe riyan. Walisin mo na ang mga buhok at kalat dito!"
baycas says
Note: Philstar’s Patricia Lourdes Viray’s article was published today.
leona says
“Nasa punto pa rin po ako ng pakikipag-usap, pag-iisip at pagninilay-nilay kung ako ay tatakbo o hindi.” [Chiz Escudero]
“Ako rin! [Grace Poe]
Hoy! Magsi poe kayooo! Itong mga buhok nyo na nga-nga ti ako sa kaka walis! [sabi ni Mang Gani]
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/07/22/15/npc-poised-provide-grace-chiz-machinery
Ancient Mariner says
Hardly an earth shattering number of votes.
Definitely one to take with a pinch of salt.
But a tiny glimmer of hope.
NHerrera says
Ancient Mariner,
Right. But I checked online Philstar and the netizen survey is on going. When I checked this morning it was 231, and the percentages are directionally consistent.
Also related to this is my Post 38.2 above under Rene-Ipil’s.
Ancient Mariner says
NHerrera
It’s a clue, sure, but only of a limited section of the voting community.
I feel sure that the important majority of the voters, those without internet or ready access to newspapers were unable to take part.
So it probably tells us something we already knew.
It shows the snake like cunning of Binay whose recent campaigning has been amongst the poor and less well off. That’s where the campaign will be won.
NHerrera says
Check. But I have a gut feel there is some significant change in the wind. We may have to wait for a few weeks to see the beginnings of a counter to Binay’s gimmicks. About netizens, you may want to visit JoeAm’s place on how he tests netizens responses to political questions or commentaries using his twitter account.
Ancient Mariner says
I think that you are right about a change in the wind soon.
I’m looking forward to Escudero’s submission of his COC. Watch the worms ķappear.
I will visit Joe’s blog.
Sup says
I did recently watch 2 times Karen at ANC..
First was Rogelio Singson (DPWH), cool, well mannered, well spoken, gentleman, clean track record..
Second Erap, sounded drunk (he told that he would speak like his idol James Dean), not answering, Just waiting for a platform before deciding (platform means who will let my son out of jail if president), friends with Binay, close to Chiz, godfather Poe…yagh…
Why can people like Rogelio Singson not become president without spending 5 billion?
Pickers1368 says
This guy is a decent, honest, knowledgeable and dedicated public servant who is full of humility. He is so good that he does not deserve to be reduced to a politician, except of course, as President. There are a few of the kind. Grace Pulido Tan, Kim Henares, Carpio-Morales, and the guy at DAR?
baycas says
Possible presidential ‘incumbent’ spouses:
— Elenita
— Korina
— Teodoro
We shall know the true list in October 2015…
@Kan D. Dato (commenter at PDI web site) chooses ‘Teodoro’ over ‘Korina’ that’s why @Kan’s vote is Poe.
Pickers1368 says
Binay is in a very precarious position that he might entertain the idea that the only to tide the Poe / Roxas momentum over is to run for re-election (as VP).
NHerrera says
That is an interesting suggestion. But in my opinion unlikely. His legal problems may not evaporate even if Poe wins as President. Poe has to be cautious of her Presidency unraveling so soon should she move or even hint to stop the developing legal moves against the corrupt Binay. Without the Presidency, Binay is a goner.
NHerrera says
That is assuming he goes for re-election to the Vice Presidency and wins.
Pickers1368 says
In the absence of a more popular i.e. Poe-like – candidate and there is none that I can think of so far, Binay is a sure VP winner. Do you think that once he realizes that his Presidential dream is unrealistic or unripe this season, with a slew of cases waiting to be filed once he was decommissioned, that the idea of re-election which is somewhat in the bag not worth considering?
In the current system, he does not even have to be paired with any presidential candidate.
baycas says
No can do.
Binay badly needs the appointing powers of the presidency starting July 2016.
Pickers1368 says
VP provides a safe harbour for the storm to pass.
baycas says
@Pickers,
Binay knows himself too much…
He won’t pass up the chance of a SUPER-PRESIDENCY…
Please remind ourselves of this mini-thread:
http://raissarobles.com/2014/10/22/president-aquino-told-me-hes-prepared-to-go-to-jail-if-were-back-to-an-unjust-judicial-system-after-his-term/comment-page-1/#comment-189886
baycas says
A Super-President will have the chance to “pack the courts.”
Pickers1368 says
Everybody knows that but I bet he will not go for broke as Herrera is guessing. Junjun is not likely to regain his post. Nancy and Abigail are not political heavyweights. Dr. Elenita is a done deal with her case at Sandiganbayan. Binay’s assets are frozen.
Only the VP post offers a glimmer of hope.
Crazy the way it sounds, but realistic.
NHerrera says
Pickers1368,
Perhaps I did not express myself precisely. If he runs as VP (that is, for re-election), I CONCEDE he will win as VP. I am saying that his BIG legal trouble does not end thereby. And so he will go for broke — to the Presidency, which is his only antidote to his legal trouble. Of course, that is only my opinion.
Pickers1368 says
I hear you. What I’m saying is between the presidency which is fast becoming unrealistic and the VP which is a sure bet, which option makes more sense to him? Both are impeachable positions that provide a safe harbour for 6 years. Going for broke? Hmmm. Not sure if he is ready to retire yet. Without him, all his children would take an early retirement by June 2016.
leona says
Are you two finished?
VP Binay is now broke!
He will be amused hearing it from Pickers,saying ‘Do I really sound crazy if I go for broke?’
‘Yes’ butt in Herrera! ‘You have no more hope!’
:-)
NHerrera says
:-)
vander says
@nherrera,
imo, he will heed your advice.
but he will slide further to a congress seat.
hehehe
M C says
At the last moment, Jojo might indeed change his mind and go for the VP post instead. Surely, he knows he can be a VP again for another term. He will bank on the assumption that greys can beat Senyor Kho Rheena hands down. But once she starts her term, someone will file a disqualification prayer in the SC based on constitutional grounds which may earn the SC’s ears. If greys is removed, Jojo becomes the President.
mainman says
binay should be declared a nuisance candidate. he’s saying all the wrong things just like donald trump. unli term, pro-dynasty, suing inquirer and ombudsman, siding w china, etc
Rolly says
http://www.chanrobles.com/article7.htm#.Va-SkpjlqUk
THE 1987 CONSTITUTION states:
ARTICLE VII
Section 3. There shall be a Vice-President who shall have the same qualifications and term of office and be elected with, and in the same manner, as the President. He may be removed from office in the same manner as the President.
Pickers1368 says
The VP is allowed one more shot for the same seat. The people’s eyes are focused on the top post. A sleazy guy like him can use some ducking until the hail of bullets subside.
leona says
Maybe a darkchoice for VP Binay. . . if Poe runs for P against anybody, VP Binay runs for one more shot as Vice President, on his theory that Poe will be disqualified.
Why? Because of this constitutional provision:
‘If the President-elect fails to qualify, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until the President-elect shall have qualified.</b<
Poe wins but is declared disqualified. VP Binay wins and as Vice-President-elect, he acts as President.
The next highest votes of 'any' candidate for P will not follow as elected President (as in some jurisprudence of the SC on local elections) because of this specific constitutional provision,
– Article VII SECTION 7 2nd Paragraph.
Pickers’ idea of one more shot #33.2.1. A DARK alternative.
:-)
leona says
How long will Jejomar Binay act ‘as President’? No time frame. In fact, Binay can ‘be the President’ and not anymore ‘act as President’ per
another constitutional provision – “Where no President xxx shall have qualified x x x’ (5th LINE Section 7 Article VII Const.)
‘the Vice President-elect shall become President.’ (4th LINE Section 7 Art. VII Consti.)
‘shall become President’ because ‘If a President shall not have been chosen’ (3rd LINE Section 7 Art. VII Consti.)
Thus, the ‘dark’ alternative become a BRIGHT alternative for Jejomar Binay becaome President for one more shot at the vice presidency into the Presidency.
Reason? Redundancy of the provisions.
Jejomar Binay is the redundant President but President.
;-)
Rene-Ipil says
Pickers,
Binay could not run again as VP in 2016.
Section 4, Article VII of the constitution provides:
“No Vice-President shall serve for more than two successive terms. Voluntary renunciation of the office for any length of time shall not be considered as an interruption in the continuity of the service for the full term for which he was elected.”
Binay must win as president in 2016 to evade jail. That is if he is not yet impeached and jailed before noon of June 30, 2016.
Rene-Ipil says
Sorry. Binay could have two successive terms but not more.
Rolly says
Thanks for the clarification Pickers and others.
For so long, i thought the Vice President is only allowed for just one term.
canadadry says
MY TRIBE SAYS GOODBYE GRACE, WHAT IS YOUR TRIBE SAYING
When she implied publicly her leaving Pnoy, I talked with my tribe, (konti lang kami, apat?) and the consensus was she has
to be forgotten and never more to be spoken in the towns and barrios they came from in their own circle.
Whatever people say, matimbang talaga ang endorsement ni Pnoy. Lets face it, to anyone abroad,
Philippines’ gain is unprecedented, hindi mapapantayan economically and in anti corruption free campaign approach, (hindi ko maintindihan bakit si General Tabako nagsermon kung sino ang dapat na lider eh yung panahon nya,sandamukal yung korap at ni walang nakulong bilang ehemplo).
Sabi nga ng isa kong kasama, “alam mo at the end of the day ang halimuyak pala ni Grace ay di galing sa kanya kundi galing sa integridad ni Pnoy,dahil kasama siya sa Team Pnoy”.
Mabuti na rin at tumiwalag siya. On her own, anak lang ni FPJ and nothing spectacular.
For the last time, salamat Grace for making it easy for us.
vander says
hahaha,
good riddance..ika nga.
vander says
“Poe confirmed that she met with the President for the third time on Monday afternoon for five hours, saying she sensed the “very difficult position” that Aquino was in.”
from the Inquirer.
mahirap talagang paliwanagan ang taong hindi naman totoong ang pagpapaunlad ng bansa ang tunay na hangad.
si gp ay umuwi at nag-renounce ng pagiging kana.
matatandaang ang ama niya ay nadaya sa halalang 2004.
ang kasabihan: kidalat(lintik) lang ang walang ganti!
matatandaan ding si mar ay nagparaya noong halalang 2010.
sabi ni yvonne” hindi maarok ng isispan niya at diwa na ang isang nagtakwil minsan ng pagigigng pilipino ang basta na lang babasbasan ng masa ng pamumuno sa Pnas kayasa sa mga nanatili sa bansa at nagbugta ng linang”.
sino ang totoong mahirap umunawa.
hindi mauunawaan ni gp ang nasa ni pnoy dahil sarado ang isip niya.
nakatutok sa panguluhan.
at tinuldukan ng mang-uupat na si chiz.
talastas ni gp na siya ang mahirap kausapin…
NHerrera says
Well said vander, including your quote from yvonne!
baycas says
Granting Poe believes in her eligibility for higher post*; granting Poe will brave the QW and/or DQ case/s her opponents are threatening…
1. Poe will not let Mar slide down to VP because Mar may win against Chiz
2. Poe will not slide down to VP because Poe may win against Chiz
3. Poe wishes Mar out of the picture
4. Vilma will rest from ‘politics’ to ‘do movies’ (both part of the entertainment industry IMO);
Robredo a likely senatoriable rather than VPable but will surely win as district representative;
Trillanes vs. Cayetano, both NP, unthinkable even to Manny Villar…but may happen if the rift between the two is true
baycas says
*Footnote: While it is debatable and may be challenged anytime, Poe insists on her NBF status and, because RA 9225 is applicable only to NBFs, Poe considers herself dual citizen in the past
baycas says
Please take note also that PNoy believes in surveys…especially the confidential ones…
NHerrera says
@baycas, for as long as our thoughts are on the after-the-SONA endorsement of Pnoy, my view is that the President will endorse Roxas as Presidential Candidate — irrespective of the tandem configuration — simply because it is consistent with my view of Pnoy’s CHARACTER, aided perhaps by his assessment that he has at the very least a 60-40 support from the LP.
baycas says
@NHerrera,
I don’t care about PNoy’s anointment.
I am just enjoying the entertainment of his dilemma…
Especially the possibility of him creating division in the ‘coalition’ when he finally favors one over the other…to the underlings’ discontent…
NHerrera says
Fine, I read you. Just expressing a thought while we are on the subject. I agree he has a dilemma. He has to act, nevertheless.
baycas says
Party convention is really the way to go in order to strengthen party stand.
However, PNoy believes in surveys and they (moneyed politicos) have been conducting them every so often depending on current events (both real and made up like a trial balloon operates)…commissioning reliable survey practitioners. The ‘confidential ones’ unfavorable to a prospective candidate will not be leaked to the press.
May he choose wisely for the sake of the ‘coalition’ for the ‘coalition’ is not glued together like “Poe-Chiz ‘sanggang-dikit’ persona.”
vander says
notice that poe gave more weight on chiz than pnoy nor the country…
it is poe chiz or nothing.
forget the daang matuwid continuance…
hehehe…
Ancient Mariner says
Excuse me for being dim. The rift between which two?
baycas says
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/484926/news/nation/trillanes-denies-rumored-rift-with-partymate-cayetano-over-2016-plans
Ancient Mariner says
@baycasThanks.
NHerrera says
INTERESTING ITEM ABOUT OSMENA ON POE
INQUIRER — ‘Poe to run for President’ ( July 22nd, 2015 01:30 AM)
Excerpts:
In a phone interview, Sen. Serge Osmeña said of Poe: “She is just dancing the fandango, she is just going through the motion, she has already made up her mind. She will run for President.”
…
Osmeña used to be one of Poe’s advisers and mentors when she ran as an independent for senator under Team P-Noy. But he said he had broken ties with Poe. “I disagreed with some of her moves,” he said. He declined to elaborate.
In previous interviews, Osmeña suggested that Poe was not yet ripe to lead the country and that she was better off as Roxas’ running mate.
…
The Liberal Party (LP) is expected to announce Roxas as its standard-bearer after the Sona and the President will endorse Roxas a few days later.
Osmeña said that based on a survey he commissioned, Poe would win even in a crowded race contrary to an analysis of House Majority Leader Neptali Gonzales II that Vice President Jejomar Binay would only lose if the administration fielded a single candidate.
In his survey, Osmeña said Poe had a 37-percent share ahead of Binay’s 30 percent, Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte’s 17 percent and Roxas’ 11 percent.
But Osmeña cautioned that the public preferences remained fluid and could change up to the final week or days of the election as shown in the 2010 presidential election.
NHerrera says
Here is the link on the news above:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/706769/poe-to-run-for-president
NHerrera says
I may note that Osmena, in his commissioned survey, has narrowed down the list of prospective Presidential candidates to chose from to only the four — Poe, Binay, Duterte, Roxas. This is because the numbers add up to 95 (=37+30+17+11) with 5 representing unresponsive respondents in his survey.
vander says
nakakahiya mang sabihin, naawa ako kay osmena.
pusong mamon naman kasi.
pero isa lang ang magandang gawin mo sir serge.
bumalik ka na kay pnoy…:)
matutuwa ang bansa pag iyan ang ginawa mo sir serge!
para sa bansa natin.
at sasaludo ako sa iyo…
Vhin AB says
I don’t know Sen. Serge Osmeña’s method or his motive in doing that survey but I believe that Binay’s popularity will continue to erode. With everyday attack against anomalies and abuse of power the people will soon realize that voting for Binay is like voting for a thief to run the country.
If PNoy and LP will annoint Mar Roxas then I guess the chances of winning will go up especially if Poe or Robredo as his running mate. Remember that money talks and LP has all the gold that they need in 2016 aside from the administration’s machinery.