By Raïssa Robles
Just a short note on this matter.
There are a number of people who would be interested in seeing Senator Grace Poe disqualified from the presidential race.
But there is one person who must be looking with intense fascination over this latest twist : former Senator Richard Gordon who placed 13th in the 2013 senatorial race that Poe had topped.
If it is ruled that she did not fulfill the two-year residency requirement to run for senator, then Gordon joins the Senate!
It may just be a happy coincidence for Gordon that Rizalito David, who recently filed the case to have her Senate victory annulled, belongs to the Ang Kapatiran Party. Kapatiran’s presidential candidate in 2010 was JC de los Reyes, nephew of former Senator Gordon. JC de los Reyes’ mom and Gordon are siblings.
I’m not saying at all that Gordon is behind this move to have Poe’s Senate victory rendered moot and academic. All I’m saying is that he is a natural interested party in this issue.
How Senator Poe handles this issue will show what stuff she is made of. For her camp to brand this plain and simple harassment is not doing her much good because the public is also eager to know the truth.
UPDATE: as of 11:16 AM, August 18, 2015 – I was just asked on Twitter why these disqualification cases were coming out only now, when Senator Poe was flying high. I replied, because no one knew much about Sen. Grace Poe’s status. There was presumption of regularity.
Mel says
Latest on SET: Submission of Memorandums (October 6, 2015)
Mel says
Mel says
recent CPM comments
https://raissarobles.com/2015/09/06/the-dark-side-of-jejomar-binay/comment-page-2/#comment-333663
raissa says
Mel,
Sorry, I don’t know why your posts keep landing in moderation.
Raissa
Mel says
I am always under attack. So it is with your other active commentators.
Thanks mucho sa inyo. Ayos lang.
All the best.
Mel says
Paki SET your date with Poe.
Mel says
Fruit from a barren tree?
Excerpt –
“She is not only a Filipino citizen. She is a natural-born Filipino as well.
“These were manifested in government documents—including a Bureau of Immigration certification and several Supreme Court rulings—submitted to the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET) by Sen. Grace Poe to prove her assertion that she is a Filipino.
“One of the documents is a July 18, 2006, order issued by then Immigration Commissioner Alipio Fernandez Jr., through Associate Commissioner Roy Almoro, declaring that Poe, having been born to Filipino parents, was “presumed to be a natural-born Philippine citizen.””
Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/719795/poe-presents-papers-proving-citizenship
Emphasis Mine
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Signed as ‘for‘?
Did GP misrepresented herself to “order issued by then Immigration Commissioner Alipio Fernandez Jr., through Associate Commissioner Roy Almoro”
wrong Spelling
Or between two cross-eyed pals, Jus became ineligible?
Huwag ko nang i soli, i sanguni na lang
Jus … Jus … sus mariah!
Mel says
Latest comments from other CPMERS
– https://raissarobles.com/2015/08/26/dear-lawyers-pls-make-these-detained-lolos-a-test-case-for-enriles-bail-from-supreme-court/comment-page-3/#comment-331968
– https://raissarobles.com/2015/08/26/dear-lawyers-pls-make-these-detained-lolos-a-test-case-for-enriles-bail-from-supreme-court/comment-page-3/#comment-332405
Rene-Ipil says
Mel,
“One of the documents is a July 18, 2006, order issued by then Immigration Commissioner Alipio Fernandez Jr., through Associate Commissioner Roy Almoro, declaring that Poe, having been born to Filipino parents, was “presumed to be a natural-born Philippine citizen.”
Poe was PRESUMED NBFC because she was BORN TO – in tagalog, iniluwal o inianak ni – Susan according to the sworn declaration of Poe in her petition (Annex 7). Under the rules of court such presumptions could be rebutted by convincing evidence like the judicial decree of adoption (Annex 2) of Poe’s Verified Answer. BTW Poe’s judicial admission that she was adopted by Susan needs no further proof.
Poe did not state in her petition that she was born to unknown parents, being a foundling, to put into play the international laws she relied on for her NBFC. And assuming that Poe is right in claiming that she was NBFC by international laws, maybe the BID could be right also in presuming that she was born to Filipino parents. But Poe insisted in her petition that she was born not only to known parents but to a very popular couple – the king and queen of the Philippine movies.
Since Poe’s sworn statement in her petition is false on material points, the presumption of law that Poe was NBFC must fail. Consequently, the approval of Poe’s petition in Annex 10 has no legal effect. And Poe has failed to reacquire Philippine Citizenship IAW RA 9225.
Not being NBFC Poe must vacate her senatorial seat ASAP.
Mel says
@Rene, salamat for the refresher.
The keyword used by the BI Commissioners to justify the Certification for Grace Poe on July 18, 2006 is ‘presumed’ (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/presumed, 2.
Law. to assume as true in the absence of proof to the contrary).
Without Due Diligence, at face value (na star struck kaya? o naawa because of FPJ’s passing away)
At that time, the BI Commissioners can still be wrong by mere presumption, with out having a unadulterated evidence to prove she was NB. To date, based on what we know now, it was wrong or careless of them to ‘presume’ Grace Poe was a NBFC. Where did they base their presumption from (e.g. US and/or PHIL Passport)? Or by word of mouth, hearsay?
Not fully convinced
I think they (BI Commissioners) knew that GP was not NB, but they acceded with the proviso, by an act or insertion of ‘presume’ (as non conclusive).
From that BI Certification that was approved based on presumption is inconclusive. As a former citizen of the Phils., Grace Poe’s reacquisition of NBFC under the Republic Act No. 9225 is, IMO, inadmissible, if not unlawful. She never was a Natural-Born, her bio parents were naught when found. A foundling, adopted child to, NOT born to, FPJ & Susan Roces (who is barren BTW).
Am I entitled to my opinion, onerous or not?
Republic Act No. 9225 is only for Natural born citizens of the Philippines who, after the effectivity of this Act, become citizens of a foreign country shall retain their Philippine citizenship upon taking the aforesaid oath. (see Section 3, Republic Act No. 9225)
YOU & other CPMERS, have done more research on this, and we have commented so many times on these in past articles of RR. This is just a comment refresher.
As I have commented before, many of the answers to GP’s citizenship woes can be answered from her BC details (Take note: Municipal or Health Center issued Birth Certificate may not necessarily be thesame with NSO’s system copy).
In GP’s dilemma, ‘Born to ‘ was misused, misapplied (wrong diction or choice of qualifier), deliberate or not.
As per the 1935 Phils’. Constitution, GP is not a Natural-Born Citizen of the Phils (for the nth time). There is no provision or law in the said constitution that automatically assign, grant or award a foundling either a Natural-Born or Naturalized Filipino Citizenship. Republic Act No. 9225 doesn’t even apply to her.
GP and her camp, can quote all or any UN Convention or International Law they want.
It remains, no Phils. Court of Law has heard, decided or granted Grace Poe Natural-Born Filipino Citizen status, past or present. SET is not the right Court to grant or affirm her NB Citizenship, but accommodate petitions, questions or complaints to her eligibility as a Senator, as per R David’s complaints.
‘Immigration Commissioner Alipio Fernandez Jr., through Associate Commissioner Roy Almoro’ may have committed a “grave abuse of discretion” that they “approved Poe’s application for the cancellation of the alien and immigrant certificates and the issuance of certificates for the retention and reacquisition of Filipino citizenship to her and her three children pursuant to Republic Act No. 9225, or the Dual Citizenship Law. They submitted their application on July 10, 2006.”
Ready, SET?
How will the SET Panel treat GP’s ‘born to’ clause in her Certificate?
Mel says
@Rene, my ‘comment is awaiting moderation.‘
baycas says
The international trend [Read: “customary” (usually practiced, almost like a norm) and “conventional” (in compliance with established international conventions or guidelines on nationality laws)] exemplified DOMESTIC LEGAL REFORMS (that is, “passed legislation” and “enacted statutes” for foundlings) as clearly, undoubtedly pointed out by Poe’s lawyers on pp. 74-75 of Poe’s Verified Answer and as I had pointed out with ASEAN Member States’ good practices (excluding the Philippines) on children born of unknown parents (despite all ASEAN nations not acceding to and ratifying the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness) citing a UNHCR document and a 2015 thesis by Sangita Jaghai entitled “Statelessness and Transnational Migration: The role of States as duty-bearers to address statelessness in the ASEAN region under international law.”
Now, as regards Senator Manuel Roxas’s statement that foundlings are “few and far in between” during a 1934 deliberation by the Constitutional Convention:
The 1935 Constitution declared the Philippines a jus sanguinis (right of blood or right of descent) country. This is contrary to the jus soli doctrine (right of the soil or right of birthplace) that international conventions dictate in determining foundlings’ nationality and hopefully to be incorporated in a country’s nationality law. (Even up to now, we are still a jus sanguinis country.)
But in the 1935 legal instrument (the one governing a child born, for example, in 1968), the framers specified a constitutional provision accommodating a probably equally few or possibly fewer type of citizens who will AUTOMATICALLY be granted a natural-born Philippine citizenship on account of being born in the Philippines (jus soli application).
The 1935 Constitution in its ARTICLE IV, CITIZENSHIP, Section 1:
“The following are citizens of the Philippines:”
There could have been other established aliens who got elected to public office earlier than the date when the 1935 Constitution took effect as the fundamental law of the Philippines BUT there was one Fermin G. Caram, a public official and a 1934 Constitutional Convention delegate, who benefitted from the provision stated above. He was born of Syrian parents.
Article IV, Sec. 1(2) is the sole exception to the rule of granting the “right of blood/descent” bestowed on Philippine citizens after the adoption of the 1935 Constitution.
It is possible that Caram’s very fortunate position is shared by others but it is also probable that he may be the lone beneficiary of such a rather odd EXCEPTION to the jus sanguinis rule. The foundlings, possibly equally few or probably greater in number compared to Caram’s situation, weren’t given the ‘priced’ constitutional provision and, parsing the elder Manuel Roxas, the right of foundlings to a nationality were just ‘left to chance.’
Statutory construction dictates that when the Constitutional Convention enumerated only a single exception to the jus sanguinis rule then it could readily be inferred that there are NO other exceptions. The legal instrument, the 1935 Constitution, must likewise internally be consistent.
A particular section of the 1935 Constitution should NOT be inconsistent with the rest of the entire fundamental law even though it says in its Article II, Sec. 2 that “the Philippines xxxxx adopts the generally accepted principles of international law as part of the law of the land.”
The 1935, 1973, and 1987 Constitutions mandate Philippine citizenship by “right of blood/descent” while domestic legal reform which is “conventionally” laid down by international law and “customarily” practiced abroad will mandate Philippine citizenship by “right of the soil/birthplace.” If this happens, there will eventually be inconsistency…unconstitutionality.
baycas says
On Caram:
An excerpt here:
Read the full text here:
http://www.geocities.ws/kabatuhan/Digital/letter.htm
baycas says
The SET that will decide first…hopefully not the last tribunal…
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/104662-senate-electoral-tribunal-grace-poe
baycas says
I always believed Grace Poe may be a champion for the PH foundlings’ cause of AUTOMATICALLY becoming natural-born Philippine citizens. I wanted her to run for higher office for this.
I challenged her opponents before to challenge her citizenship because there is still NO specific Philippine law that will AUTOMATICALLY grant natural-born status to PH foundlings by applying the “right of the soil” to them. The Philippines, after all, is a jus sanguinis (“right of blood”) country since the 1935 Constitution took effect.
I sure hope that this ongoing Supreme Court route will help the foundlings Poe is perceived (by some) to be championing or Poe is somehow trying to project she is championing.
Recently, as we already know, in her Verified Answer to the challenge on her citizenship, Poe was observed to declare:
Yes, foundlings have the right to a nationality but you must bestow them this right by “passing legislation” or “enacting statutes” (as Poe herself noted in her Verified Answer pp. 74 and 75). This is the international trend (“customary” and “conventional”) as Poe’s lawyers clearly, indubitably stated.
In fact, most ASEAN countries, save for a few including the Philippines which never created a legal provision for the foundlings, went for the required LEGAL REFORM in aid of those children with unknown parentage.
Now, as a parallel and possibly concurrent path to the SUPREME COURT ROUTE petitioner David had undertaken and Poe is now facing, I again challenge the Philippine Government to go through the RATIFICATION ROUTE (and/or Legislation Route) in order to help PH foundlings, like Poe (adult) and my hypothetical pediatric Baby Marciano, receive their Right to a Nationality…albeit retroactive in nature (like the CRC and the ICCPR).
Perhaps even Poe and her supporters, former CJ Panganiban and Harvard-trained lawyer Tan included, will join in the clamor to immediately require the Philippine Government to once and for all accede to and ratify the 1961 U.N. Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.
This will also hopefully signify that we are one on this…
For we are all HIGHLY SENSITIVE to the plight of all the foundlings found here in the Philippines.
baycas says
On the ASEAN trend (good practices) as regards statelessness, one may read the mini-thread here:
http://raissarobles.com/2015/06/12/senator-grace-poe-thanks-me-for-baring-us-govt-records-that-she-dropped-her-us-citizenship-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-308583
baycas says
These were my June 18, 2015 comments in the mini-thread linked above:
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Speaking of ‘practice,’
What have been good practices seen in ASEAN countries since 2010?
See unhcr.org/4d7de47f9.pdf
One of which is creating safeguards against statelessness by accomplishing domestic legal reforms.
2/4
ASEAN Member States: ten (10).
asean.org/asean/asean-member-states
3/4
Those who made legal reforms…
arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=136452
4/4
Baby Rojing (another hypothetical child) comes to mind…
http://arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=136452
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Page 17 of the thesis cited above contains a table of the international agreements relevant to ASEAN Member States. Philippines is the only one that ratified the 1954 U.N. Convention on Statelessness (and started to accede to the 1961 Convention only in 2011). Other member states are not Parties to both conventions.
And yet, six of the ASEAN Member excluding the Philippines provided domestic legislation for foundlings.
baycas says
I always believed Grace Poe may be a champion for the PH foundlings’ cause of AUTOMATICALLY becoming natural-born Philippine citizens. I wanted her to run for higher office for this.
I challenged her opponents before to challenge her citizenship because there is still NO specific Philippine law that will AUTOMATICALLY grant natural-born status to PH foundlings by applying the “right of the soil” to them. The Philippines, after all, is a jus sanguinis (“right of blood”) country since the 1935 Constitution took effect.
I sure hope that this ongoing Supreme Court route will help the foundlings Poe is perceived (by some) to be championing or Poe is somehow trying to project she is championing.
Recently, as we already know, in her Verified Answer to the challenge on her citizenship, Poe was observed to declare:
Yes, foundlings have the right to a nationality but you must bestow them this right by “passing legislation” or “enacting statutes” (as Poe herself noted in her Verified Answer pp. 74 and 75). This is the international trend (“customary” and “conventional”) as Poe’s lawyers clearly, indubitably stated.
In fact, most ASEAN countries, save for a few including the Philippines which never created a legal provision for the foundlings, went for the required LEGAL REFORM in aid of those children with unknown parentage.
Now, as a parallel and possibly concurrent path to the SUPREME COURT ROUTE petitioner David had undertaken and Poe is now facing, I again challenge the Philippine Government to go through the RATIFICATION ROUTE (and/or Legislation Route) in order to help PH foundlings, like Poe (adult) and my hypothetical pediatric Baby Marciano, receive their Right to a Nationality…albeit retroactive in nature (like the CRC and the ICCPR).
Perhaps even Poe and her supporters, former CJ Panganiban and Harvard-trained lawyer Tan included, will join in the clamor to immediately require the Philippine Government to once and for all accede to and ratify the 1961 U.N. Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.
This will also hopefully signify that we are one on this…
For we are all HIGHLY SENSITIVE to the plight of all the foundlings found here in the Philippines.
Ariel Anthony Tizon says
Hi Guys
kindly read Sen Poe’s answer to the case filed by Rizalito David. A copy can be accessed in Rappler.
on a personal note, the cases I cited in my previous comments about her citizenship and residency issues were also mentioned..
kind regards,
Ariel Anthony Tizon
baycas says
The presumption that foundlings follow the jus soli doctrine in acquiring Natural-born Philippine Citizenship is likewise based on presumption because no concrete legislation (safeguard) was done.
The Philippine Government may be said to be ‘insensitive‘ to the plight of the foundlings considering one Convention was unratified up to the present.
Please see Baby Marciano’s case in comparison to Baby Andrew here: https://raissarobles.com/2015/06/09/us-government-records-sen-grace-poe-dropped-her-american-citizenship-in-2012/comment-page-2/#comment-306860
Ariel Anthony Tizon says
Just asking.
In order to avail of RA9225 one has to submit an NSO certified Birth Certificate proving the applicant a natural-born Filipino citizen since the law can only be applied to natural born Filipino citizens who lost their citizenship and want to reacquire it through RA 9225.
Did Sen Poe do so? If yes, does the document survive legal scrutiny?
baycas says
Maybe you can follow the documentary evidence of Grace Poe as regards your query.
I believe she was only presumed natural-born Philippine citizen based on her NSO-certified Foundling Certificate.
The legal scrutiny will now be placed upon the Supreme Court. In the process, the Supreme Court may do an encompassing decision to hopefully ‘constitutionally’ grant natural-born Philippine citizenship to all PH foundlings (jus soli doctrine application on a basically jus sanguinis Philippines).
The scrutiny and decision I may label as ‘legal acrobatics.’
But that’s the SUPREME COURT ROUTE, which is well on its way.
However, there is also eventual hope for foundlings when finally the U.N. Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness will be acceded to and ratified by the Philippines. This RATIFICATION ROUTE (possibly parallel and concurrent path), the effect of which applied even retroactively, is the way to go because it is “customary” and likewise “conventional” (international trend*) to institute legal reforms in countries upholding the jus sanguinis principle.
In fact, in most ASEAN nations, save for a few including the Philippines, specific legal provisions were created to bestow the Right to a Nationality of children born from unknown parents. But, then again, the Philippine Government must make the law constitutional…
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*Please see pp. 74-75 of Poe’s Verified answer on “passing legislation” and “enacting statutes.”
Mel says
Great forecast @baycas.
I. Supreme Court to take jurisdiction. Anticipating a precedent again?
What if it is a repeat of the SC J Bersamin, Arroyo 8 supreme debacle?
II. Will the next batch of Reps and Sens finally ratify what your clamoring for and in behalf of foundlings (‘I pray Baby Marciano and other PH foundlings will be gratified‘)?
Will Sen G Poe be its author? Remains to be seen, that is if she wins round 1 from SET.
dalisay says
i have found myself thinking which oligarchs will be able to manipulate the next president. it is not only poe/escudero , binay/?, or roxas/? that i must look at. it is also who are behind this people. not having a machinery and having to be adopted by a party “who are the oligarchs that poe will be beholden to?”
dalisay says
correction: these people (not this people)
impex123 says
OT: Inspiring message for the youth by Leni Robredo.
http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/103458-leni-robredo-ordinary-way-extraordinary
Rene-Ipil says
Really edifying and inspiring message by Leni Robredo not only to the youth but for all Filipinos.
Through Leni’s advocacies while practicing law, Jesse learned a lot and successfully applied such ideas to his Naga constituents as mayor. And in his death Jesse’ advocacies permeated Leni’s course to their rightful conclusion as the congresswoman from Camarines Sur.
I foresee that Leni would become a better president than PNoy and Roxas in 2022 because in Leni the country would have both of Jesse and Leni. BUY ONE TAKE TWO. That chemistry is lacking in PNoy. Nor do I expect same from Roxas for Korina has different advocacy than Leni
vander says
a new recipe on the chef’s chart.
start brewing…:)
Ariel Anthony Tizon says
Leni Robredo IS NOT Jesse Robredo. As the case in Philippine politics people run for public office by clinging on the coattails of either a famous husband, family, or mum/dad.
Let us judge the candidates on their own merits.
vander says
i agree, sir.
imo, we can clearly differentiate merits on leni vis-a-vis gp.
i can see that gp’s known merit clings on fpj’s silver screen fictions.
dzandueta says
If only a critical mass of voters can be trusted to vote candidates on their merits.
Ancient Mariner says
The decision forced by the Arroyo 8 is bad.
The question I would ask is, “How does this affect (or infect) all other decisions involving these cowboys?”
I’d like to think that Sereno and Carpio managed to keep the cowboys’ toes on the line but I’m not naive enough to believe it.
Kalahari says
The new “humanitarian doctrine” by the otso-otso gang will become a new jurisprudence that could be invoked by gma and others similarly situated but not pogi and sexy who are still young and healthy, unless they begin feigning illness and wearing neck braces.
Rene-Ipil says
” A Black Swan is a metaphor or figure of speech that describes an event that is totally unexpected but has a major effect.”
http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2015/07/05/1473393/black-swans-and-2016-elections
A Black Swan has indeed arrived. An event that has a major effect on “matuwid na daan” which path Roxas swore to follow scrupulously. If allowed to prosper, the SC decision on Enrile’s bail would trash and pervert our constitution. And it would place PNoy’s fight against corruption on the back burner and would put whatever gains earned into waste.
Now is the opportunity for Roxas with the help of PNoy to rally the people’s representatives – congressmen and senators – to do the right thing by impeaching and convicting the Arroyo eight. Roxas should not wait till he wins as president in 2016. For that time may never come because the perverted SC decision on Enrile’s bail would open the floodgate of more to come. BINAYS, GMA, Jinggoy, Revilla, Gigi, Napoles, etc. are on the line. Count also the BBL, EDCA, etc.
Indeed, Binay and Poe already welcomed and embraced Enrile’s fortune. Among the presidentiables today ONLY Roxas holds the mantle of “matuwid na daan.”
Nevermind 2016. Seize the day – Carpe Diem. Damn the torpedoes. Mar Roxas, you are the man of the hour. We, the Filipino people are behind you.
vander says
agree.
sec. mar, do it now. we are now your boss. as our successor to pnoy
do it fast. DM is now at stake.
Ancient Mariner says
The decision forced by the Arroyo 8 is bad.
The question I would ask is, “How does this affect (or infect) all other decision involving these cowboys?”
I’d like to think that Sereno and Carpio managed to keep the cowboys’ toes on the line but I’m not naive enough to believe it.
Victinluz says
Dahil sa pagiging BIAS ni PNOY kaya nag BOOMERANG sa ating LEGAL SYSTEM at sa atin ang mga ilang bagay na ILINIKO ni PNOY mismo sa kanyang LANDAS na DAANG MATUWID….ngayon kayong mga taga ROXAS , papaano ninyo ( masang Filipino ) kami mapapaniwala na HINDI SUSUNDAN ni ROXAS ang maling nagawa o ginagawa ni PNOY kung siya ay magiging P natin sa 2016? That SC ruling ay kagagawan mismo ni PNOY…BIAS sya otherwise hinid sana umabot sa ganyang sitwasyon o sa ganyang desisyon sina J Bersamin and 7 others…MALI sila pero mas malaking KAMALIAN ang hindi pagsama sa mga inakusahan sina ABAD at iba pa..
rasec3 says
Ang babaw mo @victinluz pero hanga ako sa iyong political hindotry ??
Victinluz says
Rasec @how can you say na mababaw ako ? My reasons are valid … Ikaw ano? You just rely on the news and the justifications ir comments of BIAS ROXAS CPMErs and you belived thrm already… Where are you @rasec @? Bayaran ka ba ni ROXAS?
Rasec3 says
@Victin, first nobody is paying me,, I’m not rich, I’m just sort of lucky, blessed perhaps, because my daily needs in life were met, like food on the table,, stable job, good education for my children,, that’s why medyo tumaas ang pananaw at prinsipyo sa buhay…I cant vote anyway, my point is this- the only way the para umangat ang Pinas ay maituloy ang Daang Matuwid na si Mar ang flag bearer, maitaas ang trust rating ng Pinas para sa mga foreign investors, ito na ang umpisa ng pag-angat ng pinas dahil ang mga E voters ay umpisang makakamit yung daily needs in life…. bottom line is Mar is the best person to attract foreign investors to create jobs..Binay? fixed rate,, GP is Overrated,,.. Mar is Underrated but he is the right guy..
greenpea says
political hindotry. natawa ako dito a. thanks for enriching my vocabulary.
Rasec3 says
Thanks @greenpea, it makes me lol too, it is the opposite of political punditry, you know learned man with facts,, but the one who twisted the truth politically like @victin I call them one..
Rene-Ipil says
CJ Sereno must now do her job of ensuring that justice is done after the INJUSTICE that the Filipino people suffered from the Arroyo eight. Sereno must now cause the removal of the Arroyo eight for violation of the constitution, betrayal of public trust and lack of competence and probity. Sereno, as chief magistrate, must now file an impeachment complaint in congress. There are witnesses who have PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE of the constitutional violations committed by the Arroyo eight. They are:
CHIEF JUSTICE MARIA LOURDES SERENO
ASSOCIATE JUSTICE ANTONIO CARPIO
ASSOCIATE JUSTICE ESTELA PERLAS-BERNABE
ASSOCIATE JUSTICE MARVIC LEONEN
These witnesses participated in the deliberation of the case and the formulation of the SC decision. They wanted to adhere to the constitution and serve justice to the Filipino people. But the Arroyo eight secretly conspired to mislead them, to grossly violate the constitution and to ultimately betray the Filipino people. They PERSONALLY HEARD AND SAW how the Arroyo eight committed the offense.
CJ Sereno and her three colleagues mentioned above could do NO LESS. Otherwise, they should RESIGN and leave it to the Filipino people to solve the problem
Mel says
@Rene
Do you think an impeachment proceeding can succeed in the House (Reps, Sens)?
Or not feasible, possible since a change over would take place post 2016 elections for new batches of Cons & Sens?
Presidentiables Mar, Poe, Binay, et al doesn’t seem to have an opinion on the matter, yet.
Vhin AB says
I won’t be surprised if a congressman will file an impeachment case against the 8 SC Justices. But the problem is if it will move forward since Enrile is hell bent in protecting the EVIL 8. I’m sure that Tanda can arm-twist a lot of Congessmen and Senators due to past favors. Politics and corruption at its best.
rasec3 says
As I said, the Supreme Court should be destroyed to save it, do you think CJ Sereno has the will to do it? One thing I’m sure about is Pilipino people will support the whole process, mag halo na ang balat sa tinalupan ika nga.. Nakakainis na talaga.. ??, sobra dami Ng SC justices… Sa USA ay 9 Lang and we don’t address them as honorable..
Parekoy says
Bersamin and the 7 Lawyers of Enrile
As it turned out Bersamin et al are actually the lawyers of Enrile by pretending they are esteemed honorable SC Justices!
Decided na sila sa outcome na bigyan si Enrile na makapag-pyansa, tapos nag imbento na sila ng palusot para palabasing legal ang decision nila.
Ang matindi sa bastusan na ito eh ang baba ng tingin nila sa ating mga Pilipino na bibilhin natin ang kanilang unconstitutional na decision.
Kahit simpleng tao lang na marunong magbasa ng English eh napaka klarado ng ating constitution.
Non-bailable ang plunder o ano mang capital offense kapag ang ebidensya ay malakas. Wala sa ponente ng SC na binanggit na mahina ang ebidensya dahil ang Sandiganbayan muna ang mag determina. Pero kung sa motion ng mga abogado ni Enrile eh sinabi na mahina ang ebidensya at pinayagan ng SC eh parang na usurped din ng SC ang tungling pagdinig ng kaso ng plunder ni Enrile.
Mas lulusot sana ang SC kung sinabi nila na mahina ang ebidensya laban kay Enrile kasi subjective yan at within the interpretation ng evidence although na-short circuit ang processo dahil inagaw na ang trabaho ng Sandiganbayan pero debatable at pwedeng maging bagong jurisprudence.
Pero kung dahil lang sa old age at medical condition, yan ay wala sa intent ng constitution dahil kung ganon pala pag matanda ka na at marunong mag sakit-sakitan eh bail agad. Sa precedent na ito eh sunod ng lalabas si Gloria!
Hanggang ngayon mali pa rin ang pang unawa ng SC mismo kung bakit nakapiring si Lady Justice, akala nila nagtataguan lang at samantalahing gumawa ng kalokohan dahil ang hutisya ay walang nakikita. Ang simbolong nakapiring ang hustisya ay di para magbulagbulagan kundi maging bulag para pantay ang trato sa mahirap o mayaman, sa ordinarying mamamayan o makapangyarihang mamamayan.
Etong sila Bersamin et al ay pinagpilahang gahasain ang ating batas at hustisya ng lantaran sa harap ng mga Pilipino at mga nakatawa pa at nakakainsulto pang hamunin kung tayo ay may angal!
Ako may angal, kayo?
Mel says
Ang Sandiganbayan, hindi pa-aangal kaya tumakbo ang kampo ni JPE sa SC for bail petition.
Nag-laglagan na sa SC, aangal kaya ang apat na kumontra for reconsideration because of Bersamin’s ‘circumventing of SC’s internal rules/protocol?
Ang OMB aangal din kaya? And seek a review or reconsideration
Can the gov’t prosecution seek a review or reconsideration of the JPE Bail judgement to the Supreme Court?
WILL dissenting 4 SC Justices (incl SC CJ Sereno) review their internal rules/protocol, its lapses and reconsider their earlier bail judgement that favored JPE.
Among the many implications and ramifications unforeseen because of Bersamin’s ‘sly of hand’ (en toto 8 SC Js) to favor, grant JPE a bail – others in incarceration for nonbailable offences will definitely follow suit to bail petitions to gain freedom.
Vhin AB says
@Parekoy, posible rin naman na sa tagal ni Enrile sa pulitika ay may mga bagay na pinanghahawakan siya sa mga Justices na ito. Either na utang na loob or merong mga uncompromising situation na pwedeng ilabas ni Enrile kapag di siya pinayagang makapagpyansa.
Malalim na si Tanda sa kapangyarihan at maugat ang impluwensiya niya. Marami siyang hawak at si PNoy ang isusunod niya na titirahin lalo na kapag bumaba na sa posisyon. Pero sa ngayon ay dapat PATALSIKIN ANG 8 SC JUSTICES!
NHerrera says
ABOMINABLE, REVOLTING, PERVERTED 8 MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY OF DISHONOR
abominable
– repugnantly hateful; detestable; loathsome:
– very unpleasant; disagreeable:
revolting
– disgusting; repulsive
perverted
– marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good
parengtony says
Pwede bang sabihin na isang “honest mistake” ang ginawa ng WALO?
Maniniwala ba ang taong bayan na walang “hidden agenda”?
Mababaw at pwedeng baliwalain na katiwalian?
None of the above, di po ba?
Kaya wala na yatang ibang remedyo kundi impeach?
parengtony says
Hindi mapigil ang paghalakhak ng isang grupo ng mga NPA recruiter sa Bikol region matapos mabalitaan ang decision ng Abominable 8.
Inaasamasam ang pagdagsa ng bagong kasapi. Excited naman ang mga kumander na ipasiklab ang genuine justice system kuno para ihambing ito sa rotten justice system na pinaiiral ng WALO.
duquemarino says
@parengtony
May dahilan silang gamitin na argumento ang ginamit ni JPE para hilingin din makapagpyansa ang kanilang mga kapanalig.
Kalahari says
Interesting development:
‘ERAP LANG POE’ in 2016?
Erap is thinking of running again for president in 2016, with grace poe as his running mate.
But Estrada said if given the chance, he would serve only for three and a half years – the period in his presidential term that he said was “stolen” from him in 2001.
In a telephone interview with the STAR, Estrada said after three years and a half, he would turn over the presidency to Poe, his goddaughter, who then would be well versed in the duties and responsibilities of an executive by the time he relinquishes the post. (Philstar online 8/22/15)
In 2010, erap garnered more votes than gibo and villar’s combined despite his late entry – which shows his popularity with the masa, especially in Mindanao, is still formidable largely among the class D & E voters.
leona says
Erap and Poe as P and VP?
Both will be DISQUALIFIED! No re-election of P. No NBC for the VP.
Let’s reverse it: Poe for P and Erap for VP. Again for P – no NBC. the VP – qualified. Since no P was validly elected VP Erap ‘acts’ as P and as ‘actoring P’- very qualified)
He can serve the whole 6 years – as ‘acting’ only there being no prohibition as the prohibition refers to a ‘permanent elected P’.
Erap fulfils his dream – 9 years as acting P like Gloria’s 9, as long as Erap can temprarily ‘wreck’ the Comelec so there is no further elections. Keep acting lang.
He can ask the support of the walo for a tailored suit for all the acting scenes for 6 years.
:-)
Kalahari says
The Comelec allows Erap to run for President in May 10 Polls (GMA News Online 1/20/10)
“The better policy approach is to let the people decide who will be the next President. For on political questions, this court may err but the sovereign people will not,” the poll body’s Second Division said in a decision junking the petition filed against Estrada last December.”
“The two petitions for disqualification separately filed by Evillo Pormento and Mary Lou Estrada against former President Joseph Estrada are both denied for utter lack of merit.” the Comelec said.
Moreover, Article VII, Section 4 of the Constitution says “The President shall not be eligible for any reelection. No person who has succeeded as President and has served as such for more than four years shall be qualified for election to the same office at any time.”
Estrada was ousted in office after less than three years as President on January 20, 2001
vander says
hayan, okay iyan.
sige erap takbo na.
vp mo si poe.
tingnan natin.
lalabas kayo.
lalabas.
lalabas…
na kahiya-hiya!
i-changed-my-handle-name says
or should I say that the presumption of winning the next presidency is evident.
Liili says
Exactly the reason why I always tell relatives and friends to make iwas mag kaso more so if wala kang money
you don’t even need a good lawyer in the philippines just good connections. (in my opinion) .
leona says
J. Leonen appears to be wrong saying there are no ‘guidelines’ made by the SC (yun Walo) in the JPE bail case. There is or there are. What are they?
The 8GUIDELINES are:
1. his [her] social and political standing and his having immediately surrendered to the authorities. [Page 11]
2. his [her] personal disposition from the onset of his indictment for plunder, formal or otherwise, has demonstrated his utter respect for the legal processes of this country. [Page 11]
3. he [she] evinces a similar personal disposition of respect for the legal processes, [Page 11]
4. a solid reputation in his [her] in both his [her] public or private life. [Page 11]
5. long years of public service and history’s judgment of him [her]. [Page 11]
6. fragile state of health, advance age and state of ill health [Pages 11-12]
7. accused’s doctor must state that he (doctor) does not feel comfortable ot accused’s state of health [Page 12]
8. regardless of the crime charged, his [her] continued incarceration is clearly shown to be injurious to his health or to endanger his life. {Page 12]
The SC (Walo) said for the above 8 GUIDLINES that ‘On the other hand, to mark time in order to wait for the trial to finish before a meaningful consideration of the application for bail can be had is to defeat the objective of bail, which is to entitle the accused to provisional liberty pending the trial.’
In short, with compliance of the 8 requirements for bail, there is no need to wait to finish the trial.
Na Otso-otso ! nga ang prosecution. Also the Apat dissenters. How many letters does the name of the ponente consists?
B – E – R – S – A – M – I – N = Otso rin! What month is it now? AUGUST – Otso rin! What date is the decision? August 18, 2015 – 1 = down 8 = approved it.
Halloween Month early.
yeeeekkks!
he he he
:-(
leona says
’91’ . . . 9 minus 1? = Otso rin!
What is the significance of the number ‘8’?
Answer: The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 8
The number 8 in the Bible represents a new beginning, meaning a new order or creation, and man’s true ‘born again’ event when he is resurrected from the dead into eternal life.
From dead to life.
Boys are to be circumcised on the 8th day.
http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/8.html
leona says
In Chinese culture
Number 88 symbolizes fortune and good luck in Chinese culture, since the word 8 sounds similar to the word Fā (发, which implies 发财, or wealth, in Mandarin or Cantonese).
The number 8 is considered to be the luckiest number in Chinese culture, and prices in Chinese supermarkets often contain many 8s. The shape of the Chinese character for 8 (八) implies that a person will have a great, wide future as the character starts narrow and gets wider toward the bottom.
The Chinese government has been auctioning auto license plates containing many 8s for tens of thousands of dollars. The 2008 Beijing Olympics opened on 8/8/08 at 8 p.m.[1]
In addition, 88 is also used to mean “bye bye (拜拜)” in Chinese-language chats, text messages, SMSs and IMs. 88 is pronounced in Chinese Mandarin language as “ba ba” (“bā ba” to be precise), simulating the sound of the English language “bye bye”.
ba ba – JPE said to the other two detained senators after he visited them.
leona says
Chinese culture LINK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)
Sup says
So it should be a 8 dash line?
leona says
Maybe No. ‘9’ to the Chinese is like this –
“Moreover, the number 9 is a homophone of the word for “long lasting” (久), and as such is often used in weddings. It is also a homophone for the words “to have enough”, “to save”.
Hence, when you put it with other words that are lucky, it emphasizes the benefit of that number 89 (To have enough luck), 29 (to easily have enough), 39 (grow enough). Here the word enough means more “to have that which you need to achieve your goals” vs. “just enough.”
“9” is historically for extermination. Thus, China did a ‘9’ to exterminate all others.
Link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture
NHerrera says
To the ABOMINABLE 8 with its PONENTE Bersamin — may you and your relatives not be able to live down this travesty of Justice.
leona says
In the dissenting OPN of Leonen, J., on Page 28, he opined that readeers of decision –
‘may be tempted to conclude that the decision is the result of obvious political accommodation rather than a judicious consideration of the facts and the law.
‘Obvious political accommodation and not a judicious consideration of facts and law’ – the noise reading is happening now.
The strong dissent says that this JPE bail case ushers
– ‘the grant of provisional liberty on the basis of humanitarian considerations extends even after the medical emergency has passed.’
‘A case of a decision especially tailored for petitioner’ (JPE).
Similar to the OJ Simpson case – ‘When it fits you must bequeath!’
ha ha ha
:-)
cha says
From Solita Monsod’s Inquirer column today, Aug 22 :
What is interesting about the Supreme Court decision is how it came about. This is related by Leonen in his dissent. In case you can’t spare the time to read, let me give you a condensed version:
A draft decision was submitted by the member in charge early this year. This draft mainly adopted Enrile’s legal arguments. Leonen and Associate Justice Estela Perlas-Bernabe submitted their reflections on this issue, and refutations and arguments were exchanged in writing. Their point was that the Sandiganbayan committed no grave abuse of discretion, and Enrile’s petition should be dismissed.
“When this case was called again for deliberation during the En Banc session on Aug. 11, 2015, the member in charge (now the ponente) proposed the idea of dropping all discussion on the legal points pertaining to whether bail was a matter of right and focusing the grant of bail on ‘humanitarian’ grounds. The member in charge committed to circulate a draft for the consideration of all justices.” And Leonen averred that he was open to listen to all arguments.
A revised draft was circulated on Aug. 14, based on granting bail to Enrile based on his medical condition. Leonen responded with a letter to the justices, stating that this new proposal gave rise to certain new issues which had to be threshed out thoroughly.
During the Aug. 18 en banc, the ponente would not agree to wait for more extensive written reflections on the points raised by Leonen. “Insisting on a vote, he thus declared that he was abandoning the Aug. 14, 2015 circulated draft centering on release on bail on humanitarian grounds for his earlier version premised on the idea that bail was a matter of right based on judicial notice and the judicial declaration of the existence of two mitigating circumstances.” (The vote was 8-4.)
On the afternoon of Aug. 18, at about 3 p.m., “the ponente passed around a final copy of the majority opinion which was not the version voted upon during the morning’s deliberation. Rather, the copy offered for signature was substantially the Aug. 14, 2015 circulated version granting bail on humanitarian grounds.”
This ponencia does away with Enrile’s entire argument thusly: “Yet, we do not now determine the question of whether or not Enrile’s averment on the presence of the two mitigating circumstances could entitle him to bail despite the crime alleged against him being punishable with reclusion perpetua, simply because the determination, being primarily factual in context, is ideally to be made by the trial court.”
I do not doubt Leonen’s version. And the way this whole issue was handled reminds me of how the Supreme Court under Renato Corona handled the GMA travel issue. Forcing through. What kind of decision-making is this?
vander says
“What kind of decision-making is this?”
mali.
that is twisting?
Davvun says
Ang masasabi ko lang eh sadyang na-OTSO-OTSO ang Inang Hustisya at ang Inang Bayan netong walong bayarang MAGIKSTRADO!!
leona says
Davvun . . . Na unahan mo ako sa ‘OTSO-OTSO’ !
ha ha ha
vander says
mula ngayon, mag-o-OCHO-OCHO tayo.
hehehe!
leona says
Can the State or prosecution filed an MR or MC (motion for clarification with etc.)
to ask the SC walo for CLARIFICATION that JPE when he GETS WELLl must be back to cell at PNP hospital and not to the Senate to work,
as the grant was PROVISIONAL RELEASE only and not a regular bail under the Rules? The release was based on iLLness or his health condition due to disease(s) per u-moneytarian reasons?
Mel says
Nice one @leona,
nag comment din ako kay @Victin ng ganuon. heh he heh
https://raissarobles.com/2015/08/18/on-rizalito-davids-disqualification-case-against-sen-grace-poe/comment-page-2/#comment-327752
‘la pang sagot si nonVictin. heh he heh
If the SC 4 dissenting Justices won’t do it, will the gov’t prosecution (OMB) do it?
Among the many implications and ramifications unforeseen because of Bersamin’s ‘sly of hand’ (en toto 8 SC Js) to favor, grant JPE a bail – others in incarceration for nonbailable offences will definitely follow suit to bail petitions to gain freedom.
vander says
test balloon talaga ang Ocho-Ochong iyan.
parang bayani agbayani lang sa pag-indak..:)
leona says
The mumbo jumbo bail will flood the gates at Padre Faura. 1st Volume at 1st Month soon – 1000 Petitions for Bail by sick and over 70 years detentioners.
2nd Volume 2nd Month – Another 1000 Petitions. In 12 Months 12,000 Petitions for Bail. The 1st Month detentioners 50% are already DEAD. But the Number Volume will KEEP ON GROWING without LET UP.
I don’t think their lawyers of the detentioners are sleepers on the novel bail KEY for temporary liberty.
Mel says
Good for the economy (lawyering industry)?
How many law graduates in a year? I guess they’ll find jobs to represent more clients wishing to petition by bail their liberty.
And more income for the SC Coffers? Must be a bear market in the horizon.
NHerrera says
In the Inquirer Editorial Cartoon of 08-21-2015, we have an old representative of a Specie with foot prints of cloven hooves like those of PIGS. The Specie representative with the label JPE printed on his shirt announces, “I’M BACK!” after he sat down at a table with a label that says “SENATE.” The old Specie’s announcement was meet with applause of cloven hooves — obviously from comrade PIGS.
http://opinion.inquirer.net/87807/editorial-cartoon-august-21-2015
Bookmark it. It is a keepsake.
parengtony says
Implications and repercussions of the Dark 8 SC decision to allow JPE to post bail on GMA and other cases pending and future cases:
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/inside-track/102998-behind-supreme-court-decision-enrile-bail
cha says
Excerpts :
“But Enrile went straight to the Supreme Court and asked for his freedom. His counsel, Estelito Mendoza, questioned this long-standing procedure which, he said, violates the constitutional presumption of innocence. (READ: Timeline: Enrile and the pork barrel scam)”
“Apart from this, Mendoza presented two mitigating factors – Enrile’s old age and his voluntary surrender – for his release.”
“Thus, Enrile’s bail comes even before the trial on the merits of the plunder case. The Supreme Court apparently considered the condition of the aging senator and granted him his freedom even before the start of the actual trial. Normally, mitigating factors are not considered for bail petitions. (Editor’s Note: This was written before the release of the SC decision on August 20.)”
“The vote was 8-4. Bersamin, an acknowledged authority on criminal law, was joined by 7 other justices. We, however, overheard that Associate Justice Martin Villarama Jr, who is on leave, verbally communicated his preference. We don’t know for sure whether he changed his mind and if his vote would still alter the 8-4 results.”
“No less than the ponente himself was reported to have changed his mind several times. Bersamin is a criminal law expert and is well aware of the impact of their decision on other officials who are currently still in detention. He was also the ponente of the SC decision on midnight appointments by former president Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, as well as the decision on the controversial Disbursement Acceleration Program.”
“Former Chief Justice Artemio Panganiban had described Enrile’s bid for bail as “novel,” citing the long-recognized procedure followed by Philippine courts. In the past, courts had only allowed hospital arrest because of health reasons, as was the case with Arroyo.”
“Panganiban wrote last year: “If the Supreme Court…frees him [Enrile] on bail, then for the same reason, all those currently accused of capital offenses, like former President Arroyo and the Ampatuan family as well as Senators Revilla and Estrada, should also be freed and granted bail while awaiting the ruling of the trial courts on whether the evidence of guilt in their respective cases is strong.”
“For sure, after this latest decision, Arroyo would have a strong basis to seek similar humanitarian considerations.”
– Marites Dañguilan Vitug and Chay F. Hofileña/Rappler.com
Victinluz says
The case of GLORIA might be similar to ENRILE ,, both were of GRAFTs of great magnitude and should be a NOBLE cause for humanitarian reasons , BUT not similar to Estrada and Revilla dahil malakas pa sila sa KALABAW and the more it can not be EQUATED/TREATED with the AMPATUAN MASSACRE – multiple murder ito o a GENOCIDE on human race ..
THE SC decision might be different if from the start the prosecution ( DOJ ) could have INCLUDED the LPs and friends of PNOY like the OLDER ANGARRA, ABAD , LEGARDA and other local officials who are into this PDAF , DAF and other gargantuan anomalies were PNOYs friends are not INCLUDED in the charge sheet..
Therefore the LADY JUSTICE cannot CLOSE her eyes and had to open them in order to gave a HUMANITARIAN BAIL to ENRILE and i believe GLORIAs case to FOLLOW….
Victinluz says
IN A SELECTED PROSECUTION – even GOD will no allow a selected CONVICTION but rather will ACQUIT ,ALL the selected ACCUSED…
Victinluz says
PNOY thru the DOJ together with the OMBUDSMAN ,doesn’t have the heart to prosecute ABAD and others , HOW MUCH MORE TO ROXAS if elected as our P ” de nada ” this are FEW of not DAANG MATUWID ni PNOY…na ..ITUTILUY ni ROXAS pag nanalo ..
Mel says
@Victin
Can the gov’t prosecution seek a review or reconsideration of the JPE Bail judgement to the Supreme Court?
Not a legal practitioner from my side, in jest – I think they can exercise that option.
That way the dissenting 4 SC Justices (incl SC CJ Sereno) can review their internal rules/protocol, its lapses and reconsider their earlier bail judgement in favor of JPE.
No idea if @baycas has encountered an archive case like that where the SC reconsiders and changes its previous decision after a party seeks it, before its chamber.
Victinluz says
Manong @MEL… BIAS kasi from the start ang DOJ .. Selected ONEs ang kinasuhan mo . Ayaw nilang isama lahat ang mga nararapat na kasama sa kaso .. Ngayon kung ikaw ang HUSTISYA , paparusahan mo ba ang mga sinadyang INUNA nila , tapos kitang kita naman natin na ang mga sumunud na kinasuhan nila , ang mga amount involved sa mga kaso nila ay bailable na o hindi matatwag na PLUNDER , kahit na kung uungkatin nila ng malalim ay magiging mas marami o babagsak sa PLUNDER ang mga kaso nila. Then kitang kita din natin na ang dami pa o marami pa ang dapat na kasama kagaya mga si ANGGARA at ABAD at iba pa , ay hind mo kakasuhan .. PAPAANO iyan @mang MEL… Sila lang pala ang dapat makulung ? Ganoon ba ang HUSTISYA NATIN? ..
Victinluz says
Kung NAG MORO MORO ang DOJ at OMBUDSMAN dahil sa HINDI pagkasali/pagkasama ang mga alam natin na dapat mga kasama na KAIBIGAN ni PNOY , ngayon at ang SC ang gumawa desisyon na pakawalan si ENRILE na sinasabi nating labag sa Constitution about BAIL , masama ngayon sila … Ganoon ba ? I said even GOD will acquit those selectedly PROSECUTED rahter than to VONVICT them…PAREHAS lang ngayon ang LABAN diba..
Vhin AB says
Bias or not ay mas malalim ang nangyari na siyang ginawa ng 8 SC Justices. Maraming issues sa bansa at maaaring may katuwiran ang mga sinabi mo BUT I think in this case ay dapat na nagkakaisa tayo na may mali sa nangyari at involved ang Supreme Court na siyang may final say sa anumang usapin pagdating sa batas.
Sana ay ipanalangin natin na ang SC ay manatiling independent at hindi mahaluan ng pulitika sa mga desisyon ngayon at sa hinaharap kahit sino pa ang masagasaan.
Mel says
kung kakasuhan silang lahat na nabanggit mo, wala na atang matitira.
stalemate ang higher echelons.
mula batanes, aparri hanggang jolo – mayruong corruption.
ibig mong sabihin, mayruong favoritism o discrimination sa listahan ng makakasuhan.
kung mayruong selective justice, meron ding selective complaints.
inuuna ang mayruong pag asang manalo?
Victinluz says
DAPAT LANG @MANG MEL… Papaano mo mapapatino ang PILIPINAS pala kung alam naman natin na ang mayor o local government officials na kakampi ni PNOY LUSUT sa KASO a pipiliin lang natin ang ating IKUKULUNG…? Papaano kami TITINO kung SELECTIVE JUSTICE , SELECTIVE GOVERNMENT HELPs ang gagawin natin? Papaano @mang MEL…dyan sa AMERICA at ibang lugar sa ating MUNDO , ang HUSTISYA ay walang SINISINU ,di poba,?
Mel says
Ang makakapag sagot niyang tanong mo ay walang iba kundi si Ginang DOJustice Secretary Leila De Lima.
Ang haka-haka ko sa PDAF list of criminal complaints?
Too complicated because of the state turned witnesses. Hanggang diyan na lang ako. baka mabulilyaso pa.
Victinluz says
Mang [email protected] may inuna at may sumunud , tama ka dyan , tingnan mo ang ISINUNUD nila na kinaduhan? Ang amount involved ay halos lahat ay bailable na…WHY? Kinalkal natin ang bahya ni CORONA noon , ngayon ang bahay o CONDO ni LEGARDA sa US na pweding masangkot din sya sa PDAF DAP case na iyan , tahimik si DOJ , tahimik si Ombudsman…papaano iyan @mang Mel…. isa itong selective justice system natin ang ipinaglalaban ng mga communist sa atin si na JOMA,, pero hmmm wala mga rebelde lang sila sabi natin…LANTARAN ang kasalanan ng kaibigan ni PNOY sa MRT ,, pero ano ginawa nila sa DOJ at OMBUDSMAN …walang kaso sya ni command responsibility wala….ITO ngayon mang @MEL ikaw ang HUSTISYA papayagan mo ba na makulung si VITANGCOL at sina ABAYA ay ngiti ngiti lang at payusiyudi as if wala lang…EVEN GOD will not CONVICT them one of the principal was not included as an accused , GOD will ACQUIT yhem ALL.
duquemarino says
@NHerrera @parengtony
Now that JPE is going back to the senate to continue his rigorous task of playing candy crush, he will be delivering privilege speeches. He will justify his being released on bail, emulate the 8 justices and condemn the 4 dissenters, praise Estelito Mendoza and attack the administration singing the same song of Binay and nobody can question him nor charge him anew because of his immunity from suit as a sitting HONORABLE SENATOR. HONORABLE???????????
NHerrera says
Actually, it is the right of any one charged in court such as JPE to seek relief from the court(s) through the creative legal argument of his counsel.
In my opinion, if the Philippine Daily Inquirer is true to its Motto — Balanced News. Fearless Views — its Editorial Cartoon should rather portray Justice Bersamin at the table marked “PONENTE” with foot prints of his cloven hooves on the floor behind the table. And the clapping hooves are those of his kind — the other SEVEN. That will be more appropriate to the criticisms on the Justice rendered by this abominable EIGHT.
fed-up says
Is it right to say: “A Senate without an Ethics Committee is composed of members without ethics”?
First, the case of a plagiarist senator (Sotto); second, a senator who claimed he graduated from Oxford University and Wharton School although he is not (Marcos); and now, a senator making it appear he has two Masters degrees (Recto).
Sotto:
Kennedy daughter confirms plagiarism complaint vs Sotto
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/kennedy-daughter-confirms-plagiarism-complaint-vs-sotto-094219392.html
Marcos:
EXCLUSIVE: Did Bongbong Marcos lie about Oxford, Wharton?
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/84397-bongbong-marcos-degrees-oxford-wharton
Recto:
EXCLUSIVE: No master’s degrees for Ralph Recto
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/103184-no-masters-degrees-ralph-recto
The present Philippine Senate has no ethics committee:
Permanent Committees
(as of August 3, 2015)
http://www.senate.gov.ph/committee/list.asp
Though efforts were made to form it (Ethics Committee), it didn’t materialize (shades of Daang Baluktot [DB]?):
No takers for Senate ethics committee post
http://www.philstar.com/news-feature/459970/no-takers-senate-ethics-committee-post
‘No rush in organizing Senate ethics panel’
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/12/11/1266668/no-rush-organizing-senate-ethics-panel
More on Sotto:
On the plagiarism issue, then Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile has defended Senator Sotto (variant of JoeAm’s ‘foxhole doctrine’ [“If the President were in my foxhole, I’d watch his back. That’s because I trust that he is watching mine.”]?) by saying: “Senators cannot be questioned by anybody outside the Senate.
You cannot be questioned when you say anything here. Constitutional law yun. I said that before not because of any arrogance of power,” he said.
“That’s the immunity granted by the people.” “If you really respect the Constitution, then enforce that rule. If you don’t want it, change the system of government or amend the Constitution,” he added.”
Speaking of ‘doctrine’, it looks like as the country approaches an election (May 2016) that pits DM (Daang Matuwid) forces against those of DB (Daaan Baluktot), more and more tentacles of the latter are being identified in order to be cut off by the smart voters (not the bobotantes) come election time: doctrine of condonation (Binay), politically motivated (Binay), demolition by perception (Binay), political accommodation (SC-Enrile), etc.
I’m about to be fed up with the Philippine political system but I’ll wait for 2016 election before doing so.
BFD says
Or a much more correct way of saying it is,
A Senate without an Ethics Committee is composed of members without a COMMITTED ethics – LABO-LABO
vander says
@fed-up, @bfd,
kung magkakaroon ng committee, e sila rin ang mapapahiya dahil alam nila kung gaano katitigas ang mga ulo nila at hindi rin nila maipapatupad kung sakaling may penalty na dapat igagawad sa kapwa nila.
kampi-kampi talaga.
kaya tayo nang mag-OCHO-OCHO!
hahaha!
greenpea says
Nasaan na kaya ang mga taong nagmamartsa laban sa pork barrel? Million peso- este people daw sila.
cha says
I checked on Neri Colmenares’ twitter account, looks like he and his followers are preoccupied with #ALDUB.
I am not making this up, I swear.
https://mobile.twitter.com/colmenaresph
duquemarino says
@cha
Ha ha ha, smitten din sya ng beauty ni Yaya Dub o baka ni Lola Inidora wink wink wink.
But seriously, tahimik na tahimik pa ang makabayan bloc sa issue.
cha says
Nag-iisip pa sila ( yung mga makabayan bloc) kung papano isisisi ito kay PNoy. Naunahan na sila sa #52.1.1.1 sa itaas.
Susma. :)
uprightbike says
Habang tumatanda ako, nawawalan talaga ako ng pag-asa sa karakter nating mga Pinoy. Ningas cogon talaga. Yung trait na yun, nung una ay pinaniniwalaan ko pa na bansag lamang sa atin ng mga dayuhang experto. Pero totoo yata talaga. NINGAS COGON talaga. Noong lumaban sa Kastila. Sa Amerikano. Sa Hapon. Sa pagsuporta sa adhikain ng HUKBALAHAP. Sa tinatawag na First Quarter Storm. Sa adhikain ng EDSA People Power. Sa pagsuporta sa Tuwid na Daan. Sa anti-pork barrel scam. Marami pa sigurong susunod.
Marahil may katangian tayong makita yung tama at mali. Ang kulang sa atin ay yung init para tuloy tuloy na tayuan ang tamang pananaw.