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On Rizalito David’s disqualification case against Sen. Grace Poe

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By Raïssa Robles

USE THIS - 2016 Elections UPDATES June 8-15Just a short note on this matter.

There are a number of people who would be interested in seeing Senator Grace Poe disqualified from the presidential race.

But there is one person who must be looking with intense fascination over this latest twist : former Senator Richard Gordon who placed 13th in the 2013 senatorial race that Poe had topped.

If it is ruled that she did not fulfill the two-year residency requirement to run for senator, then Gordon joins the Senate!

It may just be a happy coincidence for Gordon that Rizalito David, who recently filed the case to have her Senate victory annulled, belongs to the Ang Kapatiran Party. Kapatiran’s presidential candidate in 2010 was JC de los Reyes, nephew of former Senator Gordon. JC de los Reyes’ mom and Gordon are siblings.

I’m not saying at all that Gordon is behind this move to have Poe’s Senate victory rendered moot and academic. All I’m saying is that he is a natural interested party in this issue.

How Senator Poe handles this issue will show what stuff she is made of. For her camp to brand this plain and simple harassment is not doing her much good because the public is also eager to know the truth.

UPDATE: as of 11:16 AM, August 18, 2015 – I was just asked on Twitter why these disqualification cases were coming out only now, when Senator Poe was flying high. I replied, because no one knew much about Sen. Grace Poe’s status. There was presumption of regularity.

 

 

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greenpea

Nasaan na kaya ang mga taong nagmamartsa laban sa pork barrel? Million peso- este people daw sila.

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August 21, 2015 10:04 pm
cha

I checked on Neri Colmenares’ twitter account, looks like he and his followers are preoccupied with #ALDUB.

I am not making this up, I swear.

https://mobile.twitter.com/colmenaresph

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August 22, 2015 7:33 am
duquemarino

@cha
Ha ha ha, smitten din sya ng beauty ni Yaya Dub o baka ni Lola Inidora wink wink wink.
But seriously, tahimik na tahimik pa ang makabayan bloc sa issue.

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August 22, 2015 8:21 am
cha

Nag-iisip pa sila ( yung mga makabayan bloc) kung papano isisisi ito kay PNoy. Naunahan na sila sa #52.1.1.1 sa itaas.

Susma. :)

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August 22, 2015 10:56 am
uprightbike
Habang tumatanda ako, nawawalan talaga ako ng pag-asa sa karakter nating mga Pinoy. Ningas cogon talaga. Yung trait na yun, nung una ay pinaniniwalaan ko pa na bansag lamang sa atin ng mga dayuhang experto. Pero totoo yata talaga. NINGAS COGON talaga. Noong lumaban sa Kastila. Sa Amerikano. Sa Hapon. Sa pagsuporta sa adhikain ng HUKBALAHAP. Sa tinatawag na First Quarter Storm. Sa adhikain ng EDSA People Power. Sa pagsuporta sa Tuwid na Daan. Sa anti-pork barrel scam. Marami pa sigurong susunod. Marahil may katangian tayong makita yung tama at mali. Ang kulang sa atin ay yung init para tuloy… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 7:55 am
fed-up
Is it right to say: “A Senate without an Ethics Committee is composed of members without ethics”? First, the case of a plagiarist senator (Sotto); second, a senator who claimed he graduated from Oxford University and Wharton School although he is not (Marcos); and now, a senator making it appear he has two Masters degrees (Recto). Sotto: Kennedy daughter confirms plagiarism complaint vs Sotto https://sg.news.yahoo.com/kennedy-daughter-confirms-plagiarism-complaint-vs-sotto-094219392.html Marcos: EXCLUSIVE: Did Bongbong Marcos lie about Oxford, Wharton? http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/84397-bongbong-marcos-degrees-oxford-wharton Recto: EXCLUSIVE: No master’s degrees for Ralph Recto http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/103184-no-masters-degrees-ralph-recto The present Philippine Senate has no ethics committee: Permanent Committees (as of August 3, 2015) http://www.senate.gov.ph/committee/list.asp… Read more »
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August 21, 2015 11:25 pm
BFD

Or a much more correct way of saying it is,

A Senate without an Ethics Committee is composed of members without a COMMITTED ethics – LABO-LABO

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August 22, 2015 3:35 pm
vander

@fed-up, @bfd,
kung magkakaroon ng committee, e sila rin ang mapapahiya dahil alam nila kung gaano katitigas ang mga ulo nila at hindi rin nila maipapatupad kung sakaling may penalty na dapat igagawad sa kapwa nila.
kampi-kampi talaga.
kaya tayo nang mag-OCHO-OCHO!
hahaha!

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August 22, 2015 7:05 pm
NHerrera

In the Inquirer Editorial Cartoon of 08-21-2015, we have an old representative of a Specie with foot prints of cloven hooves like those of PIGS. The Specie representative with the label JPE printed on his shirt announces, “I’M BACK!” after he sat down at a table with a label that says “SENATE.” The old Specie’s announcement was meet with applause of cloven hooves — obviously from comrade PIGS.

http://opinion.inquirer.net/87807/editorial-cartoon-august-21-2015

Bookmark it. It is a keepsake.

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August 22, 2015 1:43 am
parengtony

Implications and repercussions of the Dark 8 SC decision to allow JPE to post bail on GMA and other cases pending and future cases:

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/inside-track/102998-behind-supreme-court-decision-enrile-bail

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August 22, 2015 3:29 am
cha
Excerpts : “But Enrile went straight to the Supreme Court and asked for his freedom. His counsel, Estelito Mendoza, questioned this long-standing procedure which, he said, violates the constitutional presumption of innocence. (READ: Timeline: Enrile and the pork barrel scam)” “Apart from this, Mendoza presented two mitigating factors – Enrile’s old age and his voluntary surrender – for his release.” “Thus, Enrile’s bail comes even before the trial on the merits of the plunder case. The Supreme Court apparently considered the condition of the aging senator and granted him his freedom even before the start of the actual trial. Normally,… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 6:10 am
Victinluz
The case of GLORIA might be similar to ENRILE ,, both were of GRAFTs of great magnitude and should be a NOBLE cause for humanitarian reasons , BUT not similar to Estrada and Revilla dahil malakas pa sila sa KALABAW and the more it can not be EQUATED/TREATED with the AMPATUAN MASSACRE – multiple murder ito o a GENOCIDE on human race .. THE SC decision might be different if from the start the prosecution ( DOJ ) could have INCLUDED the LPs and friends of PNOY like the OLDER ANGARRA, ABAD , LEGARDA and other local officials who are… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 8:05 am
Victinluz

IN A SELECTED PROSECUTION – even GOD will no allow a selected CONVICTION but rather will ACQUIT ,ALL the selected ACCUSED…

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August 22, 2015 8:10 am
Victinluz

PNOY thru the DOJ together with the OMBUDSMAN ,doesn’t have the heart to prosecute ABAD and others , HOW MUCH MORE TO ROXAS if elected as our P ” de nada ” this are FEW of not DAANG MATUWID ni PNOY…na ..ITUTILUY ni ROXAS pag nanalo ..

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August 22, 2015 8:16 am
Mel

@Victin

Can the gov’t prosecution seek a review or reconsideration of the JPE Bail judgement to the Supreme Court?

Not a legal practitioner from my side, in jest – I think they can exercise that option.

That way the dissenting 4 SC Justices (incl SC CJ Sereno) can review their internal rules/protocol, its lapses and reconsider their earlier bail judgement in favor of JPE.

No idea if @baycas has encountered an archive case like that where the SC reconsiders and changes its previous decision after a party seeks it, before its chamber.

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August 22, 2015 11:28 am
Victinluz
Manong @MEL… BIAS kasi from the start ang DOJ .. Selected ONEs ang kinasuhan mo . Ayaw nilang isama lahat ang mga nararapat na kasama sa kaso .. Ngayon kung ikaw ang HUSTISYA , paparusahan mo ba ang mga sinadyang INUNA nila , tapos kitang kita naman natin na ang mga sumunud na kinasuhan nila , ang mga amount involved sa mga kaso nila ay bailable na o hindi matatwag na PLUNDER , kahit na kung uungkatin nila ng malalim ay magiging mas marami o babagsak sa PLUNDER ang mga kaso nila. Then kitang kita din natin na ang dami… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 1:51 pm
Victinluz

Kung NAG MORO MORO ang DOJ at OMBUDSMAN dahil sa HINDI pagkasali/pagkasama ang mga alam natin na dapat mga kasama na KAIBIGAN ni PNOY , ngayon at ang SC ang gumawa desisyon na pakawalan si ENRILE na sinasabi nating labag sa Constitution about BAIL , masama ngayon sila … Ganoon ba ? I said even GOD will acquit those selectedly PROSECUTED rahter than to VONVICT them…PAREHAS lang ngayon ang LABAN diba..

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August 22, 2015 1:59 pm
Vhin AB

Bias or not ay mas malalim ang nangyari na siyang ginawa ng 8 SC Justices. Maraming issues sa bansa at maaaring may katuwiran ang mga sinabi mo BUT I think in this case ay dapat na nagkakaisa tayo na may mali sa nangyari at involved ang Supreme Court na siyang may final say sa anumang usapin pagdating sa batas.

Sana ay ipanalangin natin na ang SC ay manatiling independent at hindi mahaluan ng pulitika sa mga desisyon ngayon at sa hinaharap kahit sino pa ang masagasaan.

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August 22, 2015 2:04 pm
Mel

kung kakasuhan silang lahat na nabanggit mo, wala na atang matitira.
stalemate ang higher echelons.
mula batanes, aparri hanggang jolo – mayruong corruption.

ibig mong sabihin, mayruong favoritism o discrimination sa listahan ng makakasuhan.

kung mayruong selective justice, meron ding selective complaints.

inuuna ang mayruong pag asang manalo?

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August 22, 2015 2:07 pm
Victinluz

DAPAT LANG @MANG MEL… Papaano mo mapapatino ang PILIPINAS pala kung alam naman natin na ang mayor o local government officials na kakampi ni PNOY LUSUT sa KASO a pipiliin lang natin ang ating IKUKULUNG…? Papaano kami TITINO kung SELECTIVE JUSTICE , SELECTIVE GOVERNMENT HELPs ang gagawin natin? Papaano @mang MEL…dyan sa AMERICA at ibang lugar sa ating MUNDO , ang HUSTISYA ay walang SINISINU ,di poba,?

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August 22, 2015 2:18 pm
Mel

Ang makakapag sagot niyang tanong mo ay walang iba kundi si Ginang DOJustice Secretary Leila De Lima.

Ang haka-haka ko sa PDAF list of criminal complaints?

Too complicated because of the state turned witnesses. Hanggang diyan na lang ako. baka mabulilyaso pa.

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August 22, 2015 7:05 pm
Victinluz
Mang MEL@ may inuna at may sumunud , tama ka dyan , tingnan mo ang ISINUNUD nila na kinaduhan? Ang amount involved ay halos lahat ay bailable na…WHY? Kinalkal natin ang bahya ni CORONA noon , ngayon ang bahay o CONDO ni LEGARDA sa US na pweding masangkot din sya sa PDAF DAP case na iyan , tahimik si DOJ , tahimik si Ombudsman…papaano iyan @mang Mel…. isa itong selective justice system natin ang ipinaglalaban ng mga communist sa atin si na JOMA,, pero hmmm wala mga rebelde lang sila sabi natin…LANTARAN ang kasalanan ng kaibigan ni PNOY sa MRT… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 2:29 pm
duquemarino

@NHerrera @parengtony

Now that JPE is going back to the senate to continue his rigorous task of playing candy crush, he will be delivering privilege speeches. He will justify his being released on bail, emulate the 8 justices and condemn the 4 dissenters, praise Estelito Mendoza and attack the administration singing the same song of Binay and nobody can question him nor charge him anew because of his immunity from suit as a sitting HONORABLE SENATOR. HONORABLE???????????

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August 22, 2015 5:59 am
NHerrera
Actually, it is the right of any one charged in court such as JPE to seek relief from the court(s) through the creative legal argument of his counsel. In my opinion, if the Philippine Daily Inquirer is true to its Motto — Balanced News. Fearless Views — its Editorial Cartoon should rather portray Justice Bersamin at the table marked “PONENTE” with foot prints of his cloven hooves on the floor behind the table. And the clapping hooves are those of his kind — the other SEVEN. That will be more appropriate to the criticisms on the Justice rendered by this… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 8:41 am
cha
From Solita Monsod’s Inquirer column today, Aug 22 : What is interesting about the Supreme Court decision is how it came about. This is related by Leonen in his dissent. In case you can’t spare the time to read, let me give you a condensed version: A draft decision was submitted by the member in charge early this year. This draft mainly adopted Enrile’s legal arguments. Leonen and Associate Justice Estela Perlas-Bernabe submitted their reflections on this issue, and refutations and arguments were exchanged in writing. Their point was that the Sandiganbayan committed no grave abuse of discretion, and Enrile’s… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 6:01 am
vander

“What kind of decision-making is this?”
mali.
that is twisting?

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August 22, 2015 7:35 am
Davvun

Ang masasabi ko lang eh sadyang na-OTSO-OTSO ang Inang Hustisya at ang Inang Bayan netong walong bayarang MAGIKSTRADO!!

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August 22, 2015 8:26 am
leona

Davvun . . . Na unahan mo ako sa ‘OTSO-OTSO’ !

ha ha ha

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August 22, 2015 8:44 am
vander

mula ngayon, mag-o-OCHO-OCHO tayo.
hehehe!

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August 22, 2015 6:47 pm
leona

Can the State or prosecution filed an MR or MC (motion for clarification with etc.)

to ask the SC walo for CLARIFICATION that JPE when he GETS WELLl must be back to cell at PNP hospital and not to the Senate to work,

as the grant was PROVISIONAL RELEASE only and not a regular bail under the Rules? The release was based on iLLness or his health condition due to disease(s) per u-moneytarian reasons?

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August 22, 2015 11:40 am
Mel

Nice one @leona,

nag comment din ako kay @Victin ng ganuon. heh he heh

https://raissarobles.com/2015/08/18/on-rizalito-davids-disqualification-case-against-sen-grace-poe/comment-page-2/#comment-327752

‘la pang sagot si nonVictin. heh he heh

If the SC 4 dissenting Justices won’t do it, will the gov’t prosecution (OMB) do it?

Among the many implications and ramifications unforeseen because of Bersamin’s ‘sly of hand’ (en toto 8 SC Js) to favor, grant JPE a bail – others in incarceration for nonbailable offences will definitely follow suit to bail petitions to gain freedom.

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August 22, 2015 12:36 pm
vander

test balloon talaga ang Ocho-Ochong iyan.
parang bayani agbayani lang sa pag-indak..:)

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August 22, 2015 6:51 pm
leona

The mumbo jumbo bail will flood the gates at Padre Faura. 1st Volume at 1st Month soon – 1000 Petitions for Bail by sick and over 70 years detentioners.

2nd Volume 2nd Month – Another 1000 Petitions. In 12 Months 12,000 Petitions for Bail. The 1st Month detentioners 50% are already DEAD. But the Number Volume will KEEP ON GROWING without LET UP.

I don’t think their lawyers of the detentioners are sleepers on the novel bail KEY for temporary liberty.

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August 23, 2015 10:35 am
Mel

Good for the economy (lawyering industry)?

How many law graduates in a year? I guess they’ll find jobs to represent more clients wishing to petition by bail their liberty.

And more income for the SC Coffers? Must be a bear market in the horizon.

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August 23, 2015 11:41 am
leona
J. Leonen appears to be wrong saying there are no ‘guidelines’ made by the SC (yun Walo) in the JPE bail case. There is or there are. What are they? The 8GUIDELINES are: 1. his [her] social and political standing and his having immediately surrendered to the authorities. [Page 11] 2. his [her] personal disposition from the onset of his indictment for plunder, formal or otherwise, has demonstrated his utter respect for the legal processes of this country. [Page 11] 3. he [she] evinces a similar personal disposition of respect for the legal processes, [Page 11] 4. a solid reputation… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 8:40 am
leona

’91’ . . . 9 minus 1? = Otso rin!

What is the significance of the number ‘8’?

Answer: The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 8
The number 8 in the Bible represents a new beginning, meaning a new order or creation, and man’s true ‘born again’ event when he is resurrected from the dead into eternal life.

From dead to life.

Boys are to be circumcised on the 8th day.

http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/8.html

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August 22, 2015 8:52 am
leona
In Chinese culture Number 88 symbolizes fortune and good luck in Chinese culture, since the word 8 sounds similar to the word Fā (发, which implies 发财, or wealth, in Mandarin or Cantonese). The number 8 is considered to be the luckiest number in Chinese culture, and prices in Chinese supermarkets often contain many 8s. The shape of the Chinese character for 8 (八) implies that a person will have a great, wide future as the character starts narrow and gets wider toward the bottom. The Chinese government has been auctioning auto license plates containing many 8s for tens of… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 9:08 am
leona

Chinese culture LINK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)

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August 22, 2015 9:15 am
Sup

So it should be a 8 dash line?

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August 22, 2015 1:48 pm
leona
Maybe No. ‘9’ to the Chinese is like this – “Moreover, the number 9 is a homophone of the word for “long lasting” (久), and as such is often used in weddings. It is also a homophone for the words “to have enough”, “to save”. Hence, when you put it with other words that are lucky, it emphasizes the benefit of that number 89 (To have enough luck), 29 (to easily have enough), 39 (grow enough). Here the word enough means more “to have that which you need to achieve your goals” vs. “just enough.” “9” is historically for extermination.… Read more »
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August 23, 2015 10:44 am
NHerrera

To the ABOMINABLE 8 with its PONENTE Bersamin — may you and your relatives not be able to live down this travesty of Justice.

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August 22, 2015 9:02 am
leona
In the dissenting OPN of Leonen, J., on Page 28, he opined that readeers of decision – ‘may be tempted to conclude that the decision is the result of obvious political accommodation rather than a judicious consideration of the facts and the law. ‘Obvious political accommodation and not a judicious consideration of facts and law’ – the noise reading is happening now. The strong dissent says that this JPE bail case ushers – ‘the grant of provisional liberty on the basis of humanitarian considerations extends even after the medical emergency has passed.’ ‘A case of a decision especially tailored for… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 11:07 am
Liili

Exactly the reason why I always tell relatives and friends to make iwas mag kaso more so if wala kang money

you don’t even need a good lawyer in the philippines just good connections. (in my opinion) .

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August 22, 2015 9:06 am
i-changed-my-handle-name

or should I say that the presumption of winning the next presidency is evident.

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August 22, 2015 10:23 am
Kalahari
Interesting development: ‘ERAP LANG POE’ in 2016? Erap is thinking of running again for president in 2016, with grace poe as his running mate. But Estrada said if given the chance, he would serve only for three and a half years – the period in his presidential term that he said was “stolen” from him in 2001. In a telephone interview with the STAR, Estrada said after three years and a half, he would turn over the presidency to Poe, his goddaughter, who then would be well versed in the duties and responsibilities of an executive by the time he… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 10:39 am
leona
Erap and Poe as P and VP? Both will be DISQUALIFIED! No re-election of P. No NBC for the VP. Let’s reverse it: Poe for P and Erap for VP. Again for P – no NBC. the VP – qualified. Since no P was validly elected VP Erap ‘acts’ as P and as ‘actoring P’- very qualified) He can serve the whole 6 years – as ‘acting’ only there being no prohibition as the prohibition refers to a ‘permanent elected P’. Erap fulfils his dream – 9 years as acting P like Gloria’s 9, as long as Erap can temprarily… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 11:26 am
Kalahari
The Comelec allows Erap to run for President in May 10 Polls (GMA News Online 1/20/10) “The better policy approach is to let the people decide who will be the next President. For on political questions, this court may err but the sovereign people will not,” the poll body’s Second Division said in a decision junking the petition filed against Estrada last December.” “The two petitions for disqualification separately filed by Evillo Pormento and Mary Lou Estrada against former President Joseph Estrada are both denied for utter lack of merit.” the Comelec said. Moreover, Article VII, Section 4 of the… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 2:20 pm
vander

hayan, okay iyan.
sige erap takbo na.
vp mo si poe.
tingnan natin.
lalabas kayo.
lalabas.
lalabas…

na kahiya-hiya!

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August 22, 2015 7:19 pm
parengtony

Hindi mapigil ang paghalakhak ng isang grupo ng mga NPA recruiter sa Bikol region matapos mabalitaan ang decision ng Abominable 8.
Inaasamasam ang pagdagsa ng bagong kasapi. Excited naman ang mga kumander na ipasiklab ang genuine justice system kuno para ihambing ito sa rotten justice system na pinaiiral ng WALO.

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August 22, 2015 10:47 am
duquemarino

@parengtony
May dahilan silang gamitin na argumento ang ginamit ni JPE para hilingin din makapagpyansa ang kanilang mga kapanalig.

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August 22, 2015 11:06 am
parengtony

Pwede bang sabihin na isang “honest mistake” ang ginawa ng WALO?

Maniniwala ba ang taong bayan na walang “hidden agenda”?

Mababaw at pwedeng baliwalain na katiwalian?

None of the above, di po ba?

Kaya wala na yatang ibang remedyo kundi impeach?

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August 22, 2015 11:01 am
Parekoy
Bersamin and the 7 Lawyers of Enrile As it turned out Bersamin et al are actually the lawyers of Enrile by pretending they are esteemed honorable SC Justices! Decided na sila sa outcome na bigyan si Enrile na makapag-pyansa, tapos nag imbento na sila ng palusot para palabasing legal ang decision nila. Ang matindi sa bastusan na ito eh ang baba ng tingin nila sa ating mga Pilipino na bibilhin natin ang kanilang unconstitutional na decision. Kahit simpleng tao lang na marunong magbasa ng English eh napaka klarado ng ating constitution. Non-bailable ang plunder o ano mang capital offense kapag… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 12:43 pm
Mel
Ang Sandiganbayan, hindi pa-aangal kaya tumakbo ang kampo ni JPE sa SC for bail petition. Nag-laglagan na sa SC, aangal kaya ang apat na kumontra for reconsideration because of Bersamin’s ‘circumventing of SC’s internal rules/protocol? Ang OMB aangal din kaya? And seek a review or reconsideration Can the gov’t prosecution seek a review or reconsideration of the JPE Bail judgement to the Supreme Court? WILL dissenting 4 SC Justices (incl SC CJ Sereno) review their internal rules/protocol, its lapses and reconsider their earlier bail judgement that favored JPE. Among the many implications and ramifications unforeseen because of Bersamin’s ‘sly of… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 1:03 pm
Vhin AB

@Parekoy, posible rin naman na sa tagal ni Enrile sa pulitika ay may mga bagay na pinanghahawakan siya sa mga Justices na ito. Either na utang na loob or merong mga uncompromising situation na pwedeng ilabas ni Enrile kapag di siya pinayagang makapagpyansa.

Malalim na si Tanda sa kapangyarihan at maugat ang impluwensiya niya. Marami siyang hawak at si PNoy ang isusunod niya na titirahin lalo na kapag bumaba na sa posisyon. Pero sa ngayon ay dapat PATALSIKIN ANG 8 SC JUSTICES!

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August 22, 2015 1:45 pm
NHerrera

ABOMINABLE, REVOLTING, PERVERTED 8 MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY OF DISHONOR

abominable

– repugnantly hateful; detestable; loathsome:
– very unpleasant; disagreeable:

revolting
– disgusting; repulsive

perverted
– marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good

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August 22, 2015 3:35 pm
Rene-Ipil
CJ Sereno must now do her job of ensuring that justice is done after the INJUSTICE that the Filipino people suffered from the Arroyo eight. Sereno must now cause the removal of the Arroyo eight for violation of the constitution, betrayal of public trust and lack of competence and probity. Sereno, as chief magistrate, must now file an impeachment complaint in congress. There are witnesses who have PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE of the constitutional violations committed by the Arroyo eight. They are: CHIEF JUSTICE MARIA LOURDES SERENO ASSOCIATE JUSTICE ANTONIO CARPIO ASSOCIATE JUSTICE ESTELA PERLAS-BERNABE ASSOCIATE JUSTICE MARVIC LEONEN These witnesses participated… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 12:47 pm
Mel

@Rene

Do you think an impeachment proceeding can succeed in the House (Reps, Sens)?

Or not feasible, possible since a change over would take place post 2016 elections for new batches of Cons & Sens?

Presidentiables Mar, Poe, Binay, et al doesn’t seem to have an opinion on the matter, yet.

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August 22, 2015 1:10 pm
Vhin AB

I won’t be surprised if a congressman will file an impeachment case against the 8 SC Justices. But the problem is if it will move forward since Enrile is hell bent in protecting the EVIL 8. I’m sure that Tanda can arm-twist a lot of Congessmen and Senators due to past favors. Politics and corruption at its best.

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August 22, 2015 1:55 pm
rasec3

As I said, the Supreme Court should be destroyed to save it, do you think CJ Sereno has the will to do it? One thing I’m sure about is Pilipino people will support the whole process, mag halo na ang balat sa tinalupan ika nga.. Nakakainis na talaga.. ??, sobra dami Ng SC justices… Sa USA ay 9 Lang and we don’t address them as honorable..

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August 22, 2015 1:58 pm
Victinluz
Dahil sa pagiging BIAS ni PNOY kaya nag BOOMERANG sa ating LEGAL SYSTEM at sa atin ang mga ilang bagay na ILINIKO ni PNOY mismo sa kanyang LANDAS na DAANG MATUWID….ngayon kayong mga taga ROXAS , papaano ninyo ( masang Filipino ) kami mapapaniwala na HINDI SUSUNDAN ni ROXAS ang maling nagawa o ginagawa ni PNOY kung siya ay magiging P natin sa 2016? That SC ruling ay kagagawan mismo ni PNOY…BIAS sya otherwise hinid sana umabot sa ganyang sitwasyon o sa ganyang desisyon sina J Bersamin and 7 others…MALI sila pero mas malaking KAMALIAN ang hindi pagsama sa mga… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 2:11 pm
rasec3

Ang babaw mo @victinluz pero hanga ako sa iyong political hindotry ??

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August 22, 2015 5:38 pm
Victinluz

Rasec @how can you say na mababaw ako ? My reasons are valid … Ikaw ano? You just rely on the news and the justifications ir comments of BIAS ROXAS CPMErs and you belived thrm already… Where are you @rasec @? Bayaran ka ba ni ROXAS?

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August 22, 2015 6:32 pm
Rasec3
@Victin, first nobody is paying me,, I’m not rich, I’m just sort of lucky, blessed perhaps, because my daily needs in life were met, like food on the table,, stable job, good education for my children,, that’s why medyo tumaas ang pananaw at prinsipyo sa buhay…I cant vote anyway, my point is this- the only way the para umangat ang Pinas ay maituloy ang Daang Matuwid na si Mar ang flag bearer, maitaas ang trust rating ng Pinas para sa mga foreign investors, ito na ang umpisa ng pag-angat ng pinas dahil ang mga E voters ay umpisang makakamit yung… Read more »
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August 23, 2015 4:26 am
greenpea

political hindotry. natawa ako dito a. thanks for enriching my vocabulary.

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August 23, 2015 1:34 pm
Rasec3

Thanks @greenpea, it makes me lol too, it is the opposite of political punditry, you know learned man with facts,, but the one who twisted the truth politically like @victin I call them one..

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August 24, 2015 3:56 am
Ancient Mariner

The decision forced by the Arroyo 8 is bad.
The question I would ask is, “How does this affect (or infect) all other decision involving these cowboys?”
I’d like to think that Sereno and Carpio managed to keep the cowboys’ toes on the line but I’m not naive enough to believe it.

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August 22, 2015 3:22 pm
Rene-Ipil
” A Black Swan is a metaphor or figure of speech that describes an event that is totally unexpected but has a major effect.” http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2015/07/05/1473393/black-swans-and-2016-elections A Black Swan has indeed arrived. An event that has a major effect on “matuwid na daan” which path Roxas swore to follow scrupulously. If allowed to prosper, the SC decision on Enrile’s bail would trash and pervert our constitution. And it would place PNoy’s fight against corruption on the back burner and would put whatever gains earned into waste. Now is the opportunity for Roxas with the help of PNoy to rally the people’s… Read more »
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August 22, 2015 3:38 pm
vander

agree.
sec. mar, do it now. we are now your boss. as our successor to pnoy
do it fast. DM is now at stake.

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August 22, 2015 7:08 pm
Ancient Mariner

The decision forced by the Arroyo 8 is bad.
The question I would ask is, “How does this affect (or infect) all other decisions involving these cowboys?”
I’d like to think that Sereno and Carpio managed to keep the cowboys’ toes on the line but I’m not naive enough to believe it.

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August 22, 2015 3:43 pm
Kalahari

The new “humanitarian doctrine” by the otso-otso gang will become a new jurisprudence that could be invoked by gma and others similarly situated but not pogi and sexy who are still young and healthy, unless they begin feigning illness and wearing neck braces.

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August 25, 2015 11:57 am
impex123

OT: Inspiring message for the youth by Leni Robredo.

http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/103458-leni-robredo-ordinary-way-extraordinary

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August 24, 2015 4:16 am
Rene-Ipil
Really edifying and inspiring message by Leni Robredo not only to the youth but for all Filipinos. Through Leni’s advocacies while practicing law, Jesse learned a lot and successfully applied such ideas to his Naga constituents as mayor. And in his death Jesse’ advocacies permeated Leni’s course to their rightful conclusion as the congresswoman from Camarines Sur. I foresee that Leni would become a better president than PNoy and Roxas in 2022 because in Leni the country would have both of Jesse and Leni. BUY ONE TAKE TWO. That chemistry is lacking in PNoy. Nor do I expect same from… Read more »
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August 24, 2015 1:58 pm
vander

a new recipe on the chef’s chart.
start brewing…:)

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August 26, 2015 4:38 am
Ariel Anthony Tizon

Leni Robredo IS NOT Jesse Robredo. As the case in Philippine politics people run for public office by clinging on the coattails of either a famous husband, family, or mum/dad.
Let us judge the candidates on their own merits.

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August 28, 2015 1:24 pm
vander

i agree, sir.
imo, we can clearly differentiate merits on leni vis-a-vis gp.
i can see that gp’s known merit clings on fpj’s silver screen fictions.

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August 28, 2015 7:34 pm
dzandueta

If only a critical mass of voters can be trusted to vote candidates on their merits.

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August 28, 2015 10:29 pm
dalisay

i have found myself thinking which oligarchs will be able to manipulate the next president. it is not only poe/escudero , binay/?, or roxas/? that i must look at. it is also who are behind this people. not having a machinery and having to be adopted by a party “who are the oligarchs that poe will be beholden to?”

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August 25, 2015 10:03 pm
dalisay

correction: these people (not this people)

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August 25, 2015 10:04 pm
Ariel Anthony Tizon

Hi Guys

kindly read Sen Poe’s answer to the case filed by Rizalito David. A copy can be accessed in Rappler.

on a personal note, the cases I cited in my previous comments about her citizenship and residency issues were also mentioned..

kind regards,

Ariel Anthony Tizon

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September 2, 2015 12:44 pm
baycas

The presumption that foundlings follow the jus soli doctrine in acquiring Natural-born Philippine Citizenship is likewise based on presumption because no concrete legislation (safeguard) was done.

The Philippine Government may be said to be ‘insensitive‘ to the plight of the foundlings considering one Convention was unratified up to the present.

Please see Baby Marciano’s case in comparison to Baby Andrew here: https://raissarobles.com/2015/06/09/us-government-records-sen-grace-poe-dropped-her-american-citizenship-in-2012/comment-page-2/#comment-306860

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September 3, 2015 6:00 am
Ariel Anthony Tizon

Just asking.

In order to avail of RA9225 one has to submit an NSO certified Birth Certificate proving the applicant a natural-born Filipino citizen since the law can only be applied to natural born Filipino citizens who lost their citizenship and want to reacquire it through RA 9225.

Did Sen Poe do so? If yes, does the document survive legal scrutiny?

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September 5, 2015 12:53 pm
baycas
Maybe you can follow the documentary evidence of Grace Poe as regards your query. I believe she was only presumed natural-born Philippine citizen based on her NSO-certified Foundling Certificate. The legal scrutiny will now be placed upon the Supreme Court. In the process, the Supreme Court may do an encompassing decision to hopefully ‘constitutionally’ grant natural-born Philippine citizenship to all PH foundlings (jus soli doctrine application on a basically jus sanguinis Philippines). The scrutiny and decision I may label as ‘legal acrobatics.’ But that’s the SUPREME COURT ROUTE, which is well on its way. However, there is also eventual hope… Read more »
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September 5, 2015 1:42 pm
Mel

Great forecast @baycas.

I. Supreme Court to take jurisdiction. Anticipating a precedent again?
What if it is a repeat of the SC J Bersamin, Arroyo 8 supreme debacle?

II. Will the next batch of Reps and Sens finally ratify what your clamoring for and in behalf of foundlings (‘I pray Baby Marciano and other PH foundlings will be gratified‘)?

Will Sen G Poe be its author? Remains to be seen, that is if she wins round 1 from SET.

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September 5, 2015 8:32 pm
baycas
I always believed Grace Poe may be a champion for the PH foundlings’ cause of AUTOMATICALLY becoming natural-born Philippine citizens. I wanted her to run for higher office for this. I challenged her opponents before to challenge her citizenship because there is still NO specific Philippine law that will AUTOMATICALLY grant natural-born status to PH foundlings by applying the “right of the soil” to them. The Philippines, after all, is a jus sanguinis (“right of blood”) country since the 1935 Constitution took effect. I sure hope that this ongoing Supreme Court route will help the foundlings Poe is perceived (by… Read more »
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September 5, 2015 5:39 pm
baycas
I always believed Grace Poe may be a champion for the PH foundlings’ cause of AUTOMATICALLY becoming natural-born Philippine citizens. I wanted her to run for higher office for this. I challenged her opponents before to challenge her citizenship because there is still NO specific Philippine law that will AUTOMATICALLY grant natural-born status to PH foundlings by applying the “right of the soil” to them. The Philippines, after all, is a jus sanguinis (“right of blood”) country since the 1935 Constitution took effect. I sure hope that this ongoing Supreme Court route will help the foundlings Poe is perceived (by… Read more »
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September 5, 2015 5:41 pm
baycas

On the ASEAN trend (good practices) as regards statelessness, one may read the mini-thread here:

http://raissarobles.com/2015/06/12/senator-grace-poe-thanks-me-for-baring-us-govt-records-that-she-dropped-her-us-citizenship-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-308583

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September 5, 2015 6:17 pm
baycas
These were my June 18, 2015 comments in the mini-thread linked above: 1/4 Speaking of ‘practice,’ What have been good practices seen in ASEAN countries since 2010? See unhcr.org/4d7de47f9.pdf One of which is creating safeguards against statelessness by accomplishing domestic legal reforms. 2/4 ASEAN Member States: ten (10). asean.org/asean/asean-member-states 3/4 Those who made legal reforms… “Foundlings. Six ASEAN Member States have established specific provisions on foundlings in its nationality laws, namely Cambodia, Indonesia, Lao PDR, Malaysia, Singapore, and Vietnam (see table 4).“ arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=136452 4/4 Baby Rojing (another hypothetical child) comes to mind… “Referring back to jus sanguinis states in the… Read more »
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September 6, 2015 5:56 am
baycas

The SET that will decide first…hopefully not the last tribunal…

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/104662-senate-electoral-tribunal-grace-poe

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September 6, 2015 5:30 am
baycas
The international trend [Read: “customary” (usually practiced, almost like a norm) and “conventional” (in compliance with established international conventions or guidelines on nationality laws)] exemplified DOMESTIC LEGAL REFORMS (that is, “passed legislation” and “enacted statutes” for foundlings) as clearly, undoubtedly pointed out by Poe’s lawyers on pp. 74-75 of Poe’s Verified Answer and as I had pointed out with ASEAN Member States’ good practices (excluding the Philippines) on children born of unknown parents (despite all ASEAN nations not acceding to and ratifying the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness) citing a UNHCR document and a 2015 thesis by Sangita… Read more »
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September 7, 2015 5:03 am
baycas
On Caram: In January 1943, Gov. Fermin Caram of the puppet provincial government of Iloilo wrote Gov. Tomas Confesor of the Free Panay and Romblon Civil Government a vital letter asking him to surrender to the Japanese Imperial Army because there is no ignominy in surrender and that the people were suffering and they needed him to help bring about peace and tranquility to Iloilo. Confesor made a stirring comprehensive historic response that electrified the resistance in Iloilo and all those who read it, including President Manuel Quezon, Gen. Douglas MacArthur and US President Franklin Roosevelt. Hundreds of copies of… Read more »
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September 7, 2015 5:12 am
Mel
Fruit from a barren tree? Excerpt – “She is not only a Filipino citizen. She is a natural-born Filipino as well. “These were manifested in government documents—including a Bureau of Immigration certification and several Supreme Court rulings—submitted to the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET) by Sen. Grace Poe to prove her assertion that she is a Filipino. “One of the documents is a July 18, 2006, order issued by then Immigration Commissioner Alipio Fernandez Jr., through Associate Commissioner Roy Almoro, declaring that Poe, having been born to Filipino parents, was “presumed to be a natural-born Philippine citizen.”” Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/719795/poe-presents-papers-proving-citizenship Emphasis Mine… Read more »
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September 7, 2015 1:59 pm
Rene-Ipil
Mel, “One of the documents is a July 18, 2006, order issued by then Immigration Commissioner Alipio Fernandez Jr., through Associate Commissioner Roy Almoro, declaring that Poe, having been born to Filipino parents, was “presumed to be a natural-born Philippine citizen.” Poe was PRESUMED NBFC because she was BORN TO – in tagalog, iniluwal o inianak ni – Susan according to the sworn declaration of Poe in her petition (Annex 7). Under the rules of court such presumptions could be rebutted by convincing evidence like the judicial decree of adoption (Annex 2) of Poe’s Verified Answer. BTW Poe’s judicial admission… Read more »
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September 7, 2015 3:47 pm
Mel
@Rene, salamat for the refresher. The keyword used by the BI Commissioners to justify the Certification for Grace Poe on July 18, 2006 is ‘presumed’ (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/presumed, 2. Law. to assume as true in the absence of proof to the contrary). Without Due Diligence, at face value (na star struck kaya? o naawa because of FPJ’s passing away) At that time, the BI Commissioners can still be wrong by mere presumption, with out having a unadulterated evidence to prove she was NB. To date, based on what we know now, it was wrong or careless of them to ‘presume’ Grace Poe… Read more »
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September 7, 2015 8:44 pm
Mel

@Rene, my ‘comment is awaiting moderation.‘

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September 7, 2015 9:51 pm
Mel
Paki SET your date with Poe. SET sets preliminary conference on Poe citizenship case Ina Reformina, ABS-CBN News Posted at 09/09/2015 6:39 PM | Updated as of 09/09/2015 6:40 PM MANILA – The Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET) has set the preliminary conference on the case involving a challenge to the citizenship of Senator Grace Poe on September 11th. This is in connection with the quo warranto petition filed by Rizalito David, a losing senatorial candidate in 2013, who claims Poe is not qualified to sit as a member of the Senate because she is not a natural born citizen of… Read more »
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September 9, 2015 8:08 pm
Mel
Residency challenge vs Poe abandoned Ina Reformina, ABS-CBN News Posted at 09/11/2015 3:25 PM SET to focus on whether senator is a natural-born Filipino MANILA – For the first time since Rizalito David filed a quo warranto petition against the citizenship of Senator Grace Poe in August, both parties found themselves in the same room on Friday: the Supreme Court (SC) En Banc Conference Room for the preliminary conference scheduled by the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET). The conference lasted for more or less 30 minutes, with both parties telling members of the media later that the main or threshold issue… Read more »
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September 11, 2015 5:06 pm
raissa

Mel,

Sorry, I don’t know why your posts keep landing in moderation.

Raissa

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September 11, 2015 6:58 pm
Mel

I am always under attack. So it is with your other active commentators.

Thanks mucho sa inyo. Ayos lang.

All the best.

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September 11, 2015 7:04 pm
Mel
Latest on SET: Submission of Memorandums (October 6, 2015) Rizalito David’s camp bares discrepancies in Poe’s birth certificates By: Aries Joseph Hegina 06:48 PM September 30th, 2015 THE camp of Rizalito David, a defeated senatorial candidate in the 2013 polls who is seeking to unseat Senator Grace Poe, bared on Wednesday some discrepancies in her birth certificates which will supposedly bolster their claim that she is not a natural born Filipino. Showing the documents as part of the pieces of evidence they presented before the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET), David’s counsel Atty. Manuelito Luna said that Poe’s birth certificate issued… Read more »
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September 30, 2015 8:11 pm
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