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Dear lawyers, pls. make these detained lolos a test case for Enrile’s bail from Supreme Court

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Law Dean told me he’s willing to petition SC in behalf of these lolos accused of raping minors

Exclusive By Raïssa Robles

Enrile-pic1Senator Juan Ponce Enrile has been granted bail despite the fact that he is accused of a capital crime – plunder – that is supposed to be non-bailable.

Enrile’s bail has caused an uproar.

Harvard law graduate Oscar Franklin Tan wrote a highly provocative column entitled – Would you grant bail if it was not Enrile?

Likewise, Fr. Ranhilio Aquino, Dean of the San Beda Graduate School of Law, wrote: “I wonder: Had bail been granted a 91-year old farmer charged with a crime punishable by reclusion perpetua, would there have been strenuous objections? So, it seems that the protest is directed not really at the justness of the decision, but because it is Enrile involved. “

I’m not a lawyer, just an observer. So’ I’d like to suggest, let’s test the premises of both Atty. Tan and Fr. Rannie with actual cases.

In the case of Fr. Rannie, I decided to ask him directly whether he would be willing to go to the Supreme Court to petition for bail for other detained lolos similarly charged with a capital crime. I found news reports on five lolos who have been detained for the non-bailable crime of raping young girls.

Fr. Rannie told me he was willing to file a petition before the Supreme Court. I wrote down his exact words to me –

“For as long as their counsels agree, If you can get their papers , I will gladly draft a petition (for the lolos) following the theory I’m advocating.”

The dean patiently explained to me his theory – “that the denial of bail can only take place after evidence (is presented).” He said that after an information is filed against an accused and the offense is punishable with a life term, the accused usually asks for a bail hearing so the court can weigh whether or not the evidence is strong. In Dean Rannie’s opinion, the anti-graft court Sandiganbayan erred by denying Enrile bail even while the bail hearing was going on. “Because you can deny bail only when you know the evidence of guilt is strong,” he said.

But the Dean pointed out that the Supreme Court decision penned by Associate Justice Lucas Bersamin did not at all rule on this point. Instead, he said, Bersamin’s decision to grant Enrile bail “rests on humanitarian grounds.”

Since this is the case, let’s ask lawyers to petition before the Supreme Court similar bail on humanitarian grounds for this 80-year-old grandfather who is now in jail in Sirawai, Zamboanga del Norte accused of the non-bailable crime of raping a four-year-old girl.

You can read about the news story here.

Remember, the main argument for Enrile’s bail, according to Associate Justice Lucas Bersamin is that

“Bail for the provisional liberty of the accused, regardless of the crime charged, should be allowed independently of the merits of the charge, provided his continued incarceration is clearly shown to be injurious to his health or to endanger his life. Indeed, denying him bail despite imperiling his health and life would not serve the true objective of preventive incarceration during the trial.”

I am presuming that since this lolo is far poorer than Sen. Enrile, and almost certainly can’t afford stem cell injections, he is even less healthy than the senator. Therefore his continued incarceration would be injurious to his health or would endanger his life even more.

But just to get the physical evidence that this lolo is less healthy, let him submit himself to a free health examination. Let’s see if he is less or more healthy than Enrile. Remember that Justice Bersamin noted the following about Enrile:

(1) Chronic Hypertension with fluctuating blood pressure levels on multiple drug therapy; (Annexes 1.1, 1.2, 1.3);

(2) Diffuse atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease composed of the following:

a. Previous history of cerebrovascular disease with carotid and vertebral artery disease; (Annexes 1.4, 4.1)
b. Heavy coronary artery calcifications; (Annex 1.5)
c. Ankle Brachial Index suggestive of arterial calcifications. (Annex 1.6)

(3) Atrial and Ventricular Arrhythmia (irregular heart beat) documented by Holter monitoring; (Annexes 1.7.1, 1.7.2)

(4) Asthma-COPD Overlap Syndrom (ACOS) and postnasal drip syndrome; (Annexes 2.1, 2.2)

(5) Ophthalmology:

a. Age-related mascular degeneration, neovascular s/p laser of the Retina, s/p Lucentis intra-ocular injections; (Annexes 3.0, 3.1, 3.2)
b. S/p Cataract surgery with posterior chamber intraocular lens. (Annexes 3.1, 3.2)

(6) Historical diagnoses of the following:

a. High blood sugar/diabetes on medications;
b. High cholesterol levels/dyslipidemia;
c. Alpha thalassemia;
d. Gait/balance disorder;
e. Upper gastrointestinal bleeding (etiology uncertain) in 2014;
f. Benign prostatic hypertrophy (with documented enlarged prostate on recent ultrasound).42

Dr. Gonzales attested that the following medical conditions, singly or collectively, could pose significant risks to the life of Enrile, to wit: (1) uncontrolled hypertension, because it could lead to brain or heart complications, including recurrence of stroke; (2) arrhythmia, because it could lead to fatal or non-fatal cardiovascular events, especially under stressful conditions; (3) coronary calcifications associated with coronary artery disease, because they could indicate a future risk for heart attack under stressful conditions; and (4) exacerbations of ACOS, because they could be triggered by certain circumstances (like excessive heat, humidity, dust or allergen exposure) which could cause a deterioration in patients with asthma or COPD.43”

And if this lolo, whose name was not given in the news report probably to protect the victim, is found to be similarly “in poor health” like Enrile, then this lolo should also be given his provisional liberty.

Because Enrile is not the only detainee who should enjoy the wisdom and compassion of the Supreme Court.

In fact, working under what could possibly become the Bersamin Doctrine, our lawyers should look around the country’s jail cells and find even more geriatric detainees who should enjoy the compassion of the Supreme Court.

Pronto.

P.S. This morning, curiosity drove me to look for other lolos who have been detained while awaiting trial. I found four others – all accused of the non-bailable and capital offense of raping minors.

Last December, a lolo was arrested in the town of Tigaon, Camarines Sur province after being accused of raping his 10-year-old apo. I am presuming this story is accurate because it was written for GMA News by Joel Locsin, my former colleague in Philippine Star. You can read Joel’s story by clicking here.
In December 2013, the Times Journal reported that a 73-year-old lolo was arrested for raping a 13-year-old girl in Zamboanga del Sur. You can read the news report here.

In 2012, Virgilio Bolanda, 71, was reported as being held at the Pasig City detention center after a mother accused him of raping her daughters aged five, seven and nine. You can read about this here.

Now the lawyers might say that Bolanda should not be granted bail under what might become the Bersamin doctrine because Bolanda might do it again. However, the same argument could perhaps be used against Enrile – that allowing him bail gives him access again to state funds, which he is accused of diverting.

Finally, there is an undated report about 74-year-old Alberto Sioson who was arrested in Hermosa, Bataan for allegedly raping a 14-year-old. You can read about it here.

To summarize, the detention of all FIVE LOLOS can be the test case of what could become the Bersamin Bail Doctrine.

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  1. Food for thought

    Famous recipes from Martial Law

    Hot Manila – by Alan Robles

    Recently, a Filipino cooking page on Facebook started spouting pro-Marcos gibberish and linked to the “top 10 establishments built under the Marcos regime.”

    You’d think that by “establishments” a cooking page would mean “resto,” or “auberge” or even “carinderia,”, but no it turns out it means “buildings.” And the list isn’t even complete–it doesn’t mention the millions in sleazy kickbacks and commissions the Marcoses got for each project.

    Anyway, what the FB page did is just plain WRONG. It’s wrong because if you’re a Filipino food recipe page, you shouldn’t talk about Martial Law’s construction projects: you should give examples of famous recipes from the dictatorship. Don’t know any of those recipes? Well, lucky for you, those who experienced Martial Law do. Here are a few.

    ______________________________

    Pinekeng Ambush ala Enrile
    (one of Ferdinand Marcos’ personal favorites)
    Ingredients:
    one Enrile
    one car (driver optional)
    goons
    automatic weapon

    Procedure:
    1. Take the car. Separate it from Enrile until your Enrile is very far from the car.
    2. Have car drive down the road.
    3. Take the automatic weapon and shoot the car 500 times, peppering it well.
    4. Serve hot.
    5. Declare martial law.
    _____________________________

    Madame Imelda’s Turo-Turo Espesyal
    (this is a treasured secret of the Marcos family, so precious it was locked up in one of their illegal Swiss bank vaults but we managed to fish it out).
    Ingredients
    one Imelda
    jewels
    shoes
    businesses
    penthouses
    condos
    NYC department stores

    Procedure
    1. Take the Imelda and have her waddle near the other ingredients pointing to them while saying “that’s mine.”
    2. Get out of the way before she grabs you too.
    3. Eat in a turo-turo. That’s all you’ll be able to afford after Madame Imelda is finished.
    _________________________

    Pinaupong Bongbong
    (this is a comfort dish you prepare when you feel you have to stay abroad for a while because you were chased out of the country)
    Ingredients
    one telco company, preferably Philcomsat
    one Bongbong

    Procedure
    1. Get the Bongbong and seat him in the telco company.
    2. Make sure the telco company secretly sends most of its earnings to an account abroad.
    3. Using the money in that account, eat in any fancy expensive restaurant in the world. With the amount of stolen money, you can do this everyday for 200 years.
    _____________________________

    Nakaw Na Yaman ala Conjugal
    Ingredients
    one dictator
    one dictator’s wife
    one william saunders
    one jane ryan
    several billion dollars

    Procedure
    1. Milx all the ingredients well until you can produce several fake foundations.
    2. Divide into equal portions and store in Swiss banks.
    3. It will be ready after 30 years.
    4. Eat like pigs.
    _______________________________

    Plunder ala King
    (the signature recipe of the regime)
    Ingredients
    technocrats
    foreign loans
    behest loans
    cronies

    Procedure
    1. Take the technocrats and remove their spines.
    2. Use them to secure foreign loans.
    3. Stuff them with behest loans.
    4. Cook the books.
    5. Give the loans to cronies.
    6. Serve with contempt.
    7. If anybody complains about the cooking, introduce them to another Marcos specialty: Tinadtad na Pinoy.

    ______________________________

    Tupig con Leche
    (no Martial Law meal was complete without this classic dessert)
    Ingredients
    One Ferdinand
    One Imelda

    Procedure
    1. Take the Ferdinand and mix with the Imelda.
    2. You now have twopig.
    3. Shout “leche!” at it.

    * * *
    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/blogs/opinions/09/04/15/famous-recipes-martial-law

  2. Rule Benders – Palusoters Awards

    Winners:

    Natural Born Citizenship – Poe

    Residency – Poe

    Territory as defined by ITLOS – China

    Non-bailable Plunder – Bersamin et al and Enrile

    Bidding – Abaya for MRT, Binays of Makati Projects, Comelec on PCOS

    Pork Barrel – DAP crafted by Abad and with aquino’s blessing

    FOI non priority -Aquino, Belmonte, and Lawmakers

    Anti-Dynasty non priority – Belmonte and Lawmakers

    Separation of Church and State – INC and RCC

    Premature Campaigning – Binay as number one, then followed by Roxas and LP, then Poe and Chiz

    Sabotage your Sponsors – Bert Lina

    Hate Crime against Gays – Pemberton, then Joeam

    Bloggys Award- The Usual Arrogant Bloated Headed Foreigner Fool

    Parekoy

    09-04-2015

    • thanks for the heads up @parekoy.

      biglang nawala saglit sa radar (MSM, Main Stream Media) si JPE, J Bersamin atbp.

      • We need to find ways of reminding our readers of the crucial issues from the serious essays, poems, satire, and comic relief.

        Diversity keeps aways boredom!

        Advice to couples:

        Bible is not to be placed on the bedside table nor Saints or Crosses. Keep a copy of Kama Sutra on the bedside, then open the book randomly.

        Presto! A lasting blissful carnal experience!

    • @baycas

      binabasa ko pa lang, napansin ko eto –

      ‘May Bagong Umagang Parating’

      typo” o sadya.

      parating o darating?

      • A contraction of “paparating” or, in English, “on the way” or “coming.”

        Probably…”A New Morn’ Coming” or “Coming of a New Dawn.”

        Personally, I like it to be “dawn” as in…Zulueta…

        —–

        “Darating” is “shall come.”

        • maraming salamat @baycas.

          p’sensiya nah.

          —

          With complaints still pending before SET and COMELEC.
          No decisions or judgement as yet.

          The people (puppeteers) behind GP for 2016 are planning to rally the masses this early?

          A rehash strategy that used street rallies, people ‘pressure’ to the SC when a disqualification case against FPJ was pending at the SC?

        • Re: Mel’s ‘reply’ on disqualification case against FPJ #103.1.1.1. –

          Can a case or cases, a Comelec case or even a direct SC case, be filed to question Sen.Poe’s qualification, running for the position of President BEFORE the elections of 2016?

          In the FPJ cases, adopted father of Sen. Poe, the COURT said -[Vitug, J., writer of the Opinion):

          “The Court must dismiss, for lack of jurisdiction and prematurity, the petitions in G. R. No. 161434 and No. 161634 both having been directly elevated to this Court in the latters capacity as the only tribunal to resolve a presidential and vice-presidential election contest under the Constitution. Evidently, the primary jurisdiction of the Court can directly be invoked only after, not before, the elections are held.”

          Lack of jurisdiction and Prematurity. The COURT’s jurisdiction can directly be invoked only after not before, the elections are held.

          So, Sen. Poe can run for P and until declared disqualified, she can be elected as P. Can she perform and act as the elected P until the COURT says otherwise as ruled in the FPJ cases?

          (In this situation, as I ‘replied’ earlier in this Blog site, a Vice-President is a GOOD position – as VP – he/she is Acting President or may even be the President [for awhile] )

        • In summary –

          Presidential candidacy of Fernando Poe, Jr., Disqualification case

          One of the primary issues that Poe faced during the campaign period was the disqualification case filed before the Commission on Elections (Comelec) and later elevated to the Supreme Court about his citizenship.[2] Even though he was born in the Philippines, lawyers, including Atty. Maria C. Jeanette Tecson, who filed the disqualification case argued that Poe was not a natural-born Filipino, a requirement for a presidential candidate, because he was an illegitimate child who should have followed the citizenship of his American mother. They argued that Poe’s father was not a Filipino either because records indicated that Poe’s father was a Spanish national.

          The Supreme Court voted 8-5, with one abstention, in favor of Poe. The high court upheld the previous Comelec ruling and declared Poe was a “natural-born citizen and qualified to run.” Supreme Court Justice Hilario Davide, Jr. said a preponderance of evidence established that Poe’s father was a Filipino because Poe’s grandfather, Lorenzo, had not declared allegiance to Spain by virtue of the Treaty of Paris and the Philippine Bill of 1902. Davide said that, in the case of an illegitimate child whose father is a Filipino and whose mother is an alien, proof of paternity is enough for the child to take after the citizenship of his putative father.

          – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_candidacy_of_Fernando_Poe,_Jr.

          Bold emphasis mine

        • I don’t know if you will subscribe to this.
          But in the lingo of corrupt policemen, politicians and even journalists, there is a whale of difference between “parating” and “darating.”
          Darating means will come while “parating” means the regular tara or money coming from illegal activities.

        • That is why there is private joke. ” Sir Mayor, di bale na po kayong di dumating basta dumating yung inyong parating.”

      • halos pareho lang ang meaning.
        parating at darating.
        kung lilisain ay may kaunting kaibahan.
        dito sa amin ang “parating” ay natatanaw na o iyong sigurado nang darating.
        ang darating ay di pa nakikita pero may paunawa o abiso nang pagdatal.

    • Trillanes: ‘I know for a fact that Grace Poe is running for president’

      ILOILO CITY—Senator Grace Poe will announce her bid for the presidency in 2016 next week, according to Senator Antonio Trillanes IV.

      He, however, declined to say how he was privy to such information.

      “I know for a fact that she (Poe) is running for president. I’m inside. Off the record I will tell you why I am sure. But for now just take my word for it,” Trillanes said.

      He said in a news conference at Iloilo Grand Hotel that Poe will run as an independent candidate and will declare her bid in mid-September.

      Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/719347/trillanes-i-know-for-a-fact-that-grace-poe-is-running-for-president

    • ‘Grace Poe’s campaign ad closed with the phrase ‘Walang maiiwan’

      Walang maiiwan – parang kombatan! Maramng patay – Kaunting buhay.

      Goodbye!

        • . . . that is, if one or two of the Rangers are still alive. Suppose only 1 Ranger is alive and gravely wounded? What then?

          goodby ALIVE!

          :-)

        • may parating!
          hindi pa nagiging pangulo, aalis na.
          walang maiiwan.
          kung “walang maiiwan”, siguro, kasama ang lahat.
          ayaw kong iwan ang aking bayan.
          sila na lang…
          hahaha!

        • Sa “Bagong Umagang Parating” let’s be one in shouting for joy:

          RA-TI-FY, RA-TI-FY, RA-TI-FY!!!

          Walang maiiwan!!!

          I pray Baby Marciano and other PH foundlings will be gratified…

    • In connection with campaign ads, may I ask if the following campaign expense caps in RA 7166 is still valid (section 13):

      – P10 per voter for presidential and vice presidential candidates
      – P3 per voter for other candidates who are members of a political party
      – P5 per voter for independent candidates
      – P5 per voter for political parties

      The reason I ask is that the P10 per voter cap seems rather small for a Presidential campaign. Consider the allowed campaign period of Feb, Mar, Apr to a few days before the election in May — say only 3 months.

      A TV plug for 15 sec, I understand cost P0.25m per plug. Say 5 plugs per day for 2 channels ABS-CBN and GMA News for 3 months, and we have the following expenses:

      P0.25mx5x2x30x3 = P225m for 15 sec TV plugs.

      With about P50m national voters, a Pres candidate is allowed a campaign expense cap of P10x50m = P500m. Even if the P5 per voter allowance for political party is thrown in to Pres candidate allowed expense, the total comes to P750m. With logistics for provincial sorties and campaign material expenses, the total of P750m allowance is rather small, considering that TV ads already total about P225m as estimated above?

      By the way the TV ad of GP provided by @baycas’ link is 31 sec — thus about P0.5m per tv plug. GP may incur for that kind of tv ad for 1.5 months or 45 days for JUST ONE plug a day for each TV channel ABS-CBN and GMA News before COC filing of about:

      P0.5mx2x45 = P45m

      That estimate DOES NOT include expenses for provincial sorties and other campaign materials and logistics. And we are not yet in the campaign period of Feb to a few days before May 2016 election.

      • Opinion ko lang ito, pero dahil nga inalis na ng magagaling nating Supreme Court Justices ang katagang “premature campaigning,” pwede ng umere iyang mga iyan basta wag lang sigurong diretsahan na sabihing, “Iboto nyo ako,” dahil nga di pa formal ang kanilang kandidatura.

        Maiiba na kapag nagfile na sila sa Comelec this October. Dun pa lang magsisimula yung mga limitasyon sa kampanyang pang-eleksyon.

  4. CON.TRA.POE
    Batid mo sa simula, hatid mo’y pandaraya,
    Layuning pansarili ang ultimong sadya
    Maamo mong mukha balatkayo ang adya
    Itagay mo na lang upang maalis ang hiya.

    Walang masama kung ikaw ay isang ampon
    Pagiging Pilipino bakit mo noon ay itinapon
    Bumalik ka ngayon at di masuri ang iyong kahapon
    Popularidad na gamit hilaw ka at trapo na kampon

    Sa dami ng mata ng bunga ng pinya
    Nabatid ng masa lihis mong pasya
    Batas ang una at hindi ang iglesya
    Lumitaw ang kulay at ikaw ay nadisgrasya

    Luhang buhaya sa simpatya ay lumang drama
    Gising na ang bayan kung ano ang mali at tama
    Ano nga ba ang nagawa sa bayan ng iyong ama?
    Pelikulang pang-aliw at mga keridang nai-kama

    Kung makalusot ka sa kulang mong residensya
    Bayarang hustisya nasaan ang inyong kunsensya
    Babalang aklasan at nawalan ng pasensya
    Ang taong bayan ang hahatol at magpapasya

    Sa ikabubuti ng lahat huwag na munang humanay
    Sa ngayon ay magpahinog muna at magsanay
    Alalahanin mo ang payo ni Inday mong nanay
    Ayusin mo muna ang mga nakakasirang mga anay

    Diskuwalipikasyon kulang sa kuwalipikasyon
    Administrasyong konsimisyon!
    CON.TRA.POE!

  5. R U Luzluz or FoundFoundling ?

    Kayong mga Taga CUBAO palagi nyo na lang INAASAR ang isang TROLLILING! 

    Mga LIARS kayong mga Taga ARANETA di Tulad naming mga Taga UlonggaPOE!

    :)

    Pag sumagot kayo kay Parekoy TATAAS ang IQ nyo!

    Pag sumagot kayo kay TROLLILING naku TATAAS ang BP nyo!

    he .he he

    Parekoy
    09-03-2015

    Pasensya na mga Taga CPM, ulyanin na ako, kaya paulit-ulit na lang ang banat ko…

    SIRANG POELAKA…

    SIRANG POELAKA…

    SIRANG POELAKA…

    SIRANG POELAKA…

    SIRANG POELAKA…

    SIRANG POELAKA…

  6. R U Luzluz or Foundling ?

    Kayong mga Taga CUBAO palagi nyo na lang INAASAR ang isng TROLLILING! Mga LIARS kayong mga Taga ARANETA di Tulad naming mga Taga UlonggaPOE!

    :)

    Pag sumagot kayo kay Parekoy TATAAS ang IQ nyo!

    Pag sumagot kayo kay TROLLILING naku TATAAS ang BP nyo!

    he .he he

  7. Not a bad idea. Kung mayruong papalit na katulad o mas hihigit (katalinuhan, kakayahan, mayruong prinsipyo) kay Ginang de Lima sa DOJ.

    ‘De Lima eyed as Mar’s VP’
    By Edu Punay (The Philippine Star) | Updated September 4, 2015 – 12:00am

    MANILA, Philippines – Could Justice Secretary Leila de Lima be the running mate that Interior and Local Government Secretary Mar Roxas is waiting for?

    Insiders yesterday told The STAR that the feisty Cabinet member is being considered a potential vice presidential bet for the ruling Liberal Party in the 2016 polls after her recent spat with the Iglesia ni Cristo boosted her survey ratings.

    The LP sources, who requested anonymity for lack of authority to speak for the party, said the justice secretary is “now among the options” for vice presidential bet after Batangas Gov. Vilma Santos-Recto and Camarines Sur 3rd District Rep. Leni Robredo declined the offer.

    The insiders cited De Lima’s “growing popularity” as shown by the jump in her ranking in the latest senatorial survey commissioned by the ruling party.

    In the July 1 survey of the Social Weather Stations, De Lima was in eighth place with 33 percent. The more recent survey conducted in the National Capital Region showed her at seventh with 39 percent.

    De Lima did not respond when asked if she would be interested to run for vice president, but during her 56th birthday celebration at the Department of Justice (DOJ) last week, she said she was ready to move to another point in her government career.
    Headlines ( Article MRec ), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1

    “I think it’s time that I bring this journey to the next level, to a higher level – from point J to point S,” she bared.

    Although she did not specify, sources close to her believed that this refers to a transfer from the justice department to the Senate.

    De Lima said her government career has not yet reached its final destination.

    Source: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/04/1495727/de-lima-eyed-mars-vp

    • This is strange now. This strangeness for the elections next year – May 2016. Nobody appears interested for VP for the Rep. of the Philippines.

      Strange indeed.

      What is a ‘Vice-President’? In the Philippines, first in the Philippine line of succession. She/he is assuming the Presidency upon the death, resignation, or removal by impeachment and subsequent conviction of the incumbent.

      No required responsibilities, although the President could, if he so chose, appoint the Vice President to a cabinet position.

      He/She also assumes the duties and responsibilities of the President (as Acting President) if (1) the position of the latter has not yet been chosen, until such has been chosen and qualified, (2) the latter has died or became permanently disabled, and will serve the unexpired term, and/or (3) the Members of the Cabinet submits to the Senate President and the House Speaker a written declaration that the President is unable to effect his responsibilities and duties.

      So, how come or WHY it appears no one (yet) shows to love to become a Vice-President? It is a good job. A good position. No responsibilities.

      One only need to wait: become Acting President. Death, resignation, removal by impeachment and conviction of the President.

      Now, a Vice-President has an official residence. A ‘House’ made from Coconut lumber. Planted with Coconut Trees.

      A Vice-President is just ONE STEP to the presidency. A gracious BONUS to one’s political life. It has a SALARY and maybe ALLOWANCES etc. too.

      A Vice-President can also be a MEMBER of the Cabinet. More INCOMES and ALLOWANCES. So GOOD!

      A Vice-President can deeply pray to become President. Nobody knows how one prays for it. The post has the same qualifications as that for President.

      A Vice-President is the SECOND highest official of the land. . . the Republic of the Philippines.

      For May 2016 elections, WHY NOT BE A VICE-PRESIDENT?

      DOJ De LIma is and will be good for Vice-President. Congresswoman Leni Robredo is another. Sen. Peter Cayetano. Sen. A. Trillanes IV. All the other Senators can be VP on 2016.

      Is this POST non-transferrable? To any CPMers maybe? We like to know because some maybe interested.

      :-)

      • a VP is basically a spare tire that from one perspective ought to be able to do the job if the main tire goes kaput or from another view be a bad spare tire since the chance of it being used is slim to none.

        so if you want Grace for VP then she must have the chops to be President in case something happens to Mar.

        but if it is just an idle position and Grace is still hilaw, how does that prepare her for being the president in 2022?

        does that mean that sitting on your bum and waiting it out will make you a good president the next elections? ganun ba?

      • I, a geriatric of 77 is interested. Qualification — NBFC, never a dual citizen of any country, with documents to prove and can be verified by government authorities. My wife is not a citizen of another country. Can read and write. And can post sensible/ truthful notes with 40 percent passing grade that Raissa and JoeAm, I hope can testify to. That may not be bad when you compare it with your favorite UNA Presidential Candidate, leona. And I apologize when THE OTHER SIDE makes a mistake. Hahaha!

        JUST TRYING TO RELAX HERE. Since the heat is beating my house again.

        • You will get my vote plus my family and friends if you will continue using virgin coconut oil inside your coconut palace.

        • Mr. Vice-President NHerrera, as vice-president-elect, YOU are ACTING PRESIDENT until WE the OTSO8 decide. . . sc initial announcement.

          Can I ask your Honors. . . what is it? Can you decide the case on the last month of my SIXTH YEAR? . . . otso8 – pray lang.. . . this case is so difficult to decide.

          Thank you! Poeeee kayo, ayaw nyo vice president…now akin ‘to! P ako! ‘kala! Saan yun kokonut oil?

        • You will get my vote as long as you promise to bring your slide rule to the covonut palace.

      • Sa senate, agree there are other seating Senator(s) who are suitable for VP.

        IMHO, Sec de Lima is also good for the Senate. She could be the first Senate President (woman) because of her background and experience.

        Because of the challenges facing the Philippines, Asia Region (incl China + Taiwan, 2 Koreas, Japan), ASEAN, WPS/SCS? Believe it or not, Sen Trillanes in my opinion for VP.

        There is a possibility that Noy will be asked (or by an act of Congress) to extend his term as President to meet the enormous challenges that Phils. would be facing before the end of his term.

  8. HAYAAN @CPMERS– si DE LIMA na uli ang kinukuhang VP ni ROXAS ninyo… He he …hindi nyo NAPAPANSIN walang may gustong VP sa kanya,, DAHIL ayaw nilang MASAMA o !MADAMAY sa PAGKAKATALO ni ROXAS next 2016 election …NAIWAS lahat ..bakit mga naman sila papayag na shock absorber ni ROXAS , samantalng pag sa pagka Senador sila tatakbo ay mas malaki ang % nila na manalo …HE HE SLIDE ROXAD to VP or SENATE seat and let DUTERTE or ROBREDO carry the fight of the LPs.

    • PAG LUMABAS na sa tabloid mga matatamis na buhay ni KORINA da QUEEN – wala kayong isasangga nyan@CPMERs…TIGOK LALO SI ROXAS nnyo.

        • malaking problem if Koring channels “hell hath no fury than a woman scorned” level of acting.

          if she knows more than what i know, yari si Kuyang…lol

          heck. if she knows what i know, yari pa rin. there goes the prenup…lol

  9. GRACE POE HAD DUAL CITIZENSHIP WHEN SHE TOOK HER OATH AS CHAIR OF MTRCB

    Per US Federal records, specifically in Form DS-4079, DS-4083, and in the notation on her cancelled US passport, Grace Poe self-expatriated herself by taking an Oath of Office as Chairperson of MTRCB.

    As shown in those records, the antecedent event leading to her self-expatriation, or losing her US citizenship, was her execution of the Oath of Office.

    Clearly, it means that up to the time of her taking and completing her Oath of Office as Chairperson of MTRCB she was still a person of dual-citizenship in clear violation of the law.

      • Here is how a simple mind like me paraphrase yvonne’s note:

        Acceptance of the MTRCB post REQUIRES renunciation of US citizenship. It is PRESUMED that such requirement was fulfilled otherwise she is in violation of Philippine law.

        But according to US “Federal records … and in the notation on her cancelled US passport, Grace Poe self-expatriated herself by taking an Oath of Office as Chairperson of MTRCB.” Meaning — as yvonne puts it in her own way — that her self-expatriation or renunciation US citizenship was done only after her taking the Oath of Office as Chairperson of MTRCB — when that very renunciation of US citizenship should have been done (as an antecedent) before taking the MTRCB post.

        Correct me someone, if I am twisting yvonne’s note.

        • your paraphrase, spot on.

          link to @yvonne’s previous similar comment.

          http://raissarobles.com/2015/08/26/dear-lawyers-pls-make-these-detained-lolos-a-test-case-for-enriles-bail-from-supreme-court/comment-page-2/#comment-331521

          The question is, the gravity of ‘oversight’ or failure ‘to complete as per requirements to head the MTRCB’ be overlooked (slide) when GP sought to comply (e.g. citizenship requirement) at a later date?

          Her probable excuse
          Or, was GP upfront with her citizenship status (to the gov’t, before oath swearing to PNoy) before acceptance, during (taking) the oath of office for MTRCB?

          Or was she asked before but ‘swore’ to comply at a later period?

        • I am glad you agree I read yvonne correctly. And you mentioned a good point. What kind of advice was given (if given?) about the requirement antecedent to acceptance of the Post. Nevertheless, the FACT may bear out as yvonne described it — that renunciation of US citizenship was NOT done prior to acceptance of the post. Can she point to Mr. XXX giving her advice that she can do it afterwards? Oh my, mistakes upon mistakes piling-up. Not good.

        • @Mel and NHerrera,

          We have to look at Grace’s situation from a bird’s eye view to gain a better understanding of her frame of mind.

          Long before her official appointment on October 6, 2010 it was already widely publicized that Pres. Aquino was considering appointing her as Chair of MTRCB.

          There was plenty of time between October 6 and October 21 whereby Grace could have renounced her US citizenship to comply with the conditions of her appointment.

          The fact that she waited until the last minute, on October 20 or October 21, to make the renunciation through a simple affidavit points to her strong reluctance to give up her US citizenship.

        • she had repeatedly echoed her alibi/reason: “i am not a lawyer” she uttered for the nth time in any interview or speaking engagement.
          that was it.

        • Or –

          “Rose’s story jibes with the story of Edgardo’s children, Imelda Militar Hofilena, who is based in Canada, and Zilda Militar Demaala, who is based in Guam. Imelda and Zilda said their father had brought the infant home straight from the cathedral and had cared for her for three days, even fending off people who offered to buy the baby.

          Realizing he couldn’t provide her a good life, Edgardo, who worked at a cockpit, turned over the child to his brother Emiliano and wife Sayong, who were better off in life.

          Sayong would later pass on the baby Grace to sugar heiress Tessie Ledesma Valencia, who would later give up the child for adoption by celebrity couple Susan Roces and Fernando Poe Jr.”

          Source: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/06/07/15/grace-poe-militar

          Candidates for DNA for the drama finale.

    • susmaryosep. stop making mountains out of molehills. so what if she was still a dual citizen when she took oath? you expect her to know about technicalities or requirements? agad-agad?

      maraming ganyan na belated ang realization na di nakakasunod sa requirements unless someone points it out to them. lalo na pag appointed position ka lang.

      what matters is she gave up her US citizenship immediately after. bitch about it if she only renounced her US citizenship when she ran for the senate or in preparation for 2016. gaya ng ginawa ni Binay.

      • the point is, now that she knows the requirements, then she knows that she isn’t qualified to run for president.

        and with what she knows now as compared to what she knew then, she should have the delicadeza to step down as senator.

        right now, she’s acting like a trapo trying to keep her senate seat, and working her way to a presidency through technicalities/twisting the spirit of the law

      • @sykes, simple technicality? We will soon find out from SET what they think her frame of mind was or whether or not she had the benefit of a legal counsel’s advice during that time. I think the answer was in her Verified Answer and it looks like she was to some degree aware of her legal position then. Was she fully aware, reasonably aware, or just an indication?

      • It is a constitutional requirement.

        Para mo na ring ina-argue na, so what kung hindi siya natural born citizen kung pusong Filipina naman siya?

        The law is the law, is the law. No one is above the law just because she is popular.

    • It was renunciation first on October 20 followed by oath of office on October 21, 2010. Please see Annexes 14 and 16, respectively, of Poe’s verified answer.

    • @Yvonne, thanks but I think she maintains that having renounced her US citizenship before a Philippine public official would suffice for the purpose of clearing the hurdle prior to her assuming the MTRCB chair. But, yes, as far as US laws are concerned, she was still a US citizen (or dual citizen for that matter) until the process was completed or at least when she officially gave notice. She kind of alluded to that in her statement after her first meeting with Pnoy.

      • @Rene-Ipil and Pickers1368

        I was thinking about that – Grace’s affidavit of renunciation dated October 20, 2010. And then I asked myself, why did she not refer to her renunciation affidavit of October 20 as the expatriating act in her US filings?

        The fact that Grace referred to her taking the Oath of Office as the expatriating act is clearly contradicting Grace’s earlier pronouncement to the press that she was advised by someone at the US embassy that there was no need for her to give up her US citizenship because the MTRCB chair is not a policy-level government position. Did Grace lie when she say this to the public?

        Now going back to her renunciation affidavit of October 10, where the law office of Senator Escudero provided legal assistance, I think that affidavit is lacking in form and substance and did not meet the constitutional requirement.

        The Constitution is very clear in its language – the person should renounce his/her Oath of Allegiance, not just allegiance but the Oath itself, to the foreign country. The reason is that the word “allegiance” is a vague term in scope, whereas the Oath of Allegiance contains very specific language – the US Oath of Allegiance, for example, contains language about bearing arms to defend the US and its Constitution.

        • @Yvonne, thanks. But playing the devil’s advocate for fairness sake, you asked “why did she not refer to her renunciation affidavit of October 20 as the expatriating act in her US filings?”

          Perhaps because her goal was to square it away solely from the US perspective, because she thought she already complied with the Philippine laws in terms of renouncing her other citizenship.

          It makes sense to me because she has two different goals and had to deal with two different rules or laws. Just my opinion.

        • It did not make sense if that was her goal.

          She could have stated in her US filings that her expatriating act was her execution of an affidavit of renunciation on October 20, 2010 renouncing her US citizenship as a requirement of her acceptance as Chair of MTRCB, of which she subsequently took an Oath of Office.

          If she stated it this way, her date of repatriation would have been October 20, 2010. But the way she actually did it, she was still a US citizen when she took her oath of office on October 21, 2010.

          On the other hand, I believe her affidavit of renunciation on October 20, 2010 is defective and did not comply with the constitutional requirement for the reason I explained in my earlier post.

        • Executing an affidavit of renunciation of US citizenship is an expatriating act. No doubt about it. And it holds more weight than an oath of office. An oath of office is not necessarily an automatic expatriating act if the office is not a policy-level government position.

          So the mysterious question is: Why did Grace not use October 20, 2010 as her expatriation date? Using October 20 as her expatriation date would have cleared the hurdle of being still a US citizen when she took her oath of office. Is October 20, 2010 not a true or valid date?

          I

        • OK I see your point now, but is it possible that the US was never given a copy of her Oct 20 Affidavit and Poe chose the Oath as among others as the basis, without undermining the equal importance of the Affidavit? The best analogy would be the requirement to produce official identification before the issuance of a voter’s ID. Having produced a driver’s license instead of a passport or birth certificate, etc. does not invalidate the latter correct?

        • Actually it would have made better sense and more understandable for the US authorities if Grace submitted a copy of her affidavit of renunciation that was written in English, than a copy of her oath of office that was written in Tagalog.

          In addition, the execution of the affidavit was an antecedent action that would have cleared the hurdle of qualifying her to take her oath of office, and not put her in limbo.

          So, no matter how you slice it, Grace actions relating to her self-expatriation did not make sense. Seems like she did it half-heartedly, parang napipilitan lang, parang ayaw igive-up yung US citizenship kaya last minute na nang gawin. Even her declarations were hand-written; she didn’t even bother to type or print the information.

        • Perhaps it would have but the fact that renunciation was accepted by the US Authorities, which was actually the specific goal, says it all. When acting on her case, I believe the US Authorities must cite a reason why they are revoking her citizenship and if must be confined to those reasons as enumerated under the US law. I doubt if her Affidavit sworn to before the a Philippine official is one of them. Take it another way, if she used this as a ground instead of her assumption of a policy making position as MTRCB chair, would the US Authorities act on that and revoke her US Citizenship solely on that basis? Perhaps yes but also quite possibly no. Most likely they will find it insufficient for the purpose as prescribed under the US law. So she went for a decisive, most responsive reason which is what the US law will accept as a valid ground to revoke her US citizenship.

        • @Pickers1368

          Yes, you are correct, the reason given was her acceptance of employment. Her appointment paper on October 10, 2010, coming from no less than the President of the Philippines would have been a very strong supporting document.

        • Yvonne,
          Form DS-4079 (Annex 18) was accomplished and signed by Poe. She indicated therein that she assumed office and took the oath thereof both on October 21, 2010. Such date became the basis of US Consul Gallian to state in DS-4083 (Annex 19) the same date. DS-4079 and DS-4083 do not refer to Poe’s renunciation of US citizenship on October 20 IAW RA 9225.

          Annex 18 specifically asked in item 5b and 5d about an oath of allegiance to and employment with a foreign state, respectively. Annex 18 did not mention “renunciation.” So, Poe merely put the needed answer.

    • Perhaps the question is can she validly renounced her US citizenship other than before a US consular officer or that provided for under the US law? I don’t think there is a Philippine law that supplants or pre-empts the law of other countries in respect of how their citizenship should be validly renounced. This is at least a gray area if not an uphill battle for her.

      • The affidavit of renunciation is valid IAW RA 9225, notwithstanding any foreign law. RA 9225 vis-a-vis foreign laws was amply discussed during congressional deliberation. Paraphrasing Cong. Locsin, he said “Problema na nila yun.” And the constitutionality of RA 9225 was upheld by the SC.

        • RA 9225 thus allows her to take up employment in the Philippines that are reserved only for Filipino’s with no dual nationality. By virtue of her renunciation of her US citizenship before the officer who took her oath of allegiance to the Republic, you are saying that she then become a Philippine citizen only. And as far as Philippine laws are concerned, her US citizenship is no longer recognized henceforth.

          Fair enough.

          Now how do we square that with the fact that she still has to file her US tax return for her income earned in the Philippines when she is no longer considered a US citizen? Will the BIR allow her to deduct any tax payment made in the US towards her tax obligations here, and vice-versa? There were reports that she purchased a house in California in 2008 for investment purposes, where there might be a potential income from rents. She has to declare that in her US tax returns, pay taxes and claim credit against Philippine taxes. Would the BIR allow that? I am just curious.

  12. KAWAWA talaga kayong TAGA ROXAS he he , kahit anong gawin ninyong PANINIRA kay POE 1.) batayan natin hindi lang sa mga SURVEYs lalamangan ng malaking boto ni GRACE si mama’s boy ROXAS ninyo , kundi pati next election on 2016 … Tingin ko number 3 or 4 lang si ROXAS ninyo , mauunahan pa sya nina BINAY at DUTERTE…

    The best for ROXAS was to SLIDE DOWN to VP and let ROBLEDO or DUTERTE be your P…ayan may paga asa pa kayo kaunti lang….si ROXAS pag nag VP , tiyak tatalunini din sya ni CHIZ , kaya dapat senator nalang sya uli….WALA MAHIRAP IBENTA ang ISDANG BELASA @CPMERs….belasa na si ROXAS,, hindi ninyo linagyan ng FORMALIN kasi..

    • All your accusation to POE was already explained by former Justices and other LEGAL LUMINARIES .. At it was EASY to understand by common TAO except @CPMERs na TAGA ROXAS…

      KAWAWA talaga si ROXAS walang gustong maging VP nya….GET NINYO si NORA AUNOR nalang o si IDOL ROBIN PADILLA o si LITO LAPID at magaling din BUMARIL iyan…

    • it’s ironic that some people think Poe is the ambitious one when (per Parekoy’s updates) Roxas and his cohorts will go so far as to cheat to make sure Mar wins a contest that he has almost zero chance of winning.

      Binay’s numbers are down but from what i’ve heard, they would rather have someone who is corrupt than one who is inept (re: Yolanda)

      interesting parallelism with Gibo. both seen as smart, elitist and with bland personalities. both got flak for how they handled crises caused by natural disasters (yep, what happened in Tacloban made some Pnoy fans hate Mar). and both have supporters who are a bit of a Stan…lol

      a lot of people have high expectations when it comes to Grace ( just like when Pnoy ran for prez) but not with Mar. she has captured the hearts and imagination of the madlang pipol.

      • Politics is politics. Some bring down Mar and some bring down Grace Llamanzares so what is the whining for? Sport lang.

        Let’s scrutinize all of them to get their position on important issues dahil taumbayan ang panalo. Hindi naman pwedeng magpapakyut lang at kakampihan ang Iglesia Ni Cristo ay pwede ng maging presidente. Simpleng isyu sumabit pa.

        At least si @VictinLuz consistent sa paglampaso kay Mar Roxas.

        • I think, grace is ambitions, hindi pa nga tapos ang term niya bilang senador, gusto kaagad maging presidente. hindi pa nga siya nagdeclare ng candidacy, nangungumpanya na kahit hindi pa tapos ang citizenship issue niya. ang sobrang nagmamadali ay baka madapa.

        • Marami naman na nagpapayo sa kanya na huwag muna. Look what happened sa simpleng isyu ng INC, jusko lord.

          Sa halip na sabihing hayaan natin ang batas na gumulong ay parang gusto pang ipatigil ang imbestigasyon ni Sec. Leila de Lima. Siguro dahil iyon din ang posisyon ni Chiz eh alam naman natin na hindi makakapagdesisyon si Grace bast-basta ng wala si Chiz.

          Laki ng takot nila sa Iglesia samantalang wala pang 1 million ang botante nila. Na handang balewalain ang kaayusan mapagbigyan lamang ang isang grupo. Ngayon panay ang press release pero huli na. Buking na. Trapung-trapo kahit bagong halal pa lang.

          Magpahinog muna sana. Bata pa naman siya at hindi dapat magmadali. Sa susunod na halalan sa 2022 ay 53 pa lang naman siya, mas hinog at makakapagdesisyon na sa sarili.

        • victin is focused. parang laser beam…hehehe

          me? i don’t want binay to be president. and i will support anyone who can beat him WITHOUT CHEATING. i see that in Grace.

          because once you cheat, you’re compromised. difficult to tell people around you to take a hike if they do something bad because they have dirt on you aside from the usual utang na loob. difficult to go after the corrupt if you’ve become corrupted yourself.

          kaya nga di maipasa ang FOI. would a president want the FOI passed knowing that it could unearth info that he won by cheating?

        • Yes, @VictinLuz is so focused kaya hindi ko na binabasa halos lahat ng comments niya. Dahil kahit yata malayo sa topic ay isisingit na palpak daw si Roxas hahaha. Minsan wala na sa hulog. Not an effective way of pushing Grace up dahil troll na ang dating. Sabagay mahirap iangat si Grace base sa mga ipinapahayag niya lalo sa kaso ng INC. Bagitong-bagito pa talaga. Victin’s other sensible comment pati komento ng ibang pro-Grace ay binabasa ko pa rin naman to balance my view.

    • It’s ok @victin you treated all the Roxas City, Roxas Blvd like a floor mat, inaapakan, smear with dirt, I don’t believe the survey but I can sense the netizens respond favoring Roxas city, we know you’re die heart surrogate of GP, go ahead make your day, legal luminaries chaired by Harry Roque? That’s made my day? yes GP 2022 if she maintained the senatorial brouhaha ?

      • NO ….2016 is for POE …We have to ADMIT CPMERs …ROXAS was very far and different from EX PRES. ROXAS his LOLO like BONG BONG a far fetched from HIS father APO FERDI… Let us face that….as @VHIN B said SPORT LANG ……at pag sa isang KIDLAT na malakas lakas at NANALO si ROXAS ninyo ,,,he he FOR SURE , BOW ako sa inyong lahat na TAGA ROXAS…congrats but to TURN COAT later ,NO i will remain on the RIGHTEOUS PATH with NO SELECTIVE and SUGAR COATED JUSTICE.

        • I rather be a COMMUNIST than to play with the OLIGARCH and the ELITEs… They have been EATING US for CENTURIES….They HAD transformed the poor and brilliant Filipinos to be the same as them and STILL many @CPMERs like ROXAS… BANANA REPUBLIC talaga na tayo for EVER…..

        • Communist? Go to China @Victin? Look whose behind GP, oligarch people, that’s why GP is WillyNilly, issue here and there sa NBFC, straight path? GP INC brouhaha then turn 180 degrees, oh boy 1st Ginoo US cutezen No way Jose.

        • Inside info. those people close to grace poe also believed that she should run for VP, but because of the ambition of chiz she has to run for President. Malaki daw kasi ang utang na loob ni GP kay CHiz because of the 2010 election wherein yung mga OLIGARCHS na nagfund kay CHiz ang Nagfund din for GP. Elitista din. So, where’s the logic. same lang sila ni MAR. but kay MAR he is the elite one. so di na kailangan humingi ng PABOR whereas yung dalawa hihingi at hihingi. Syempre may kapalit diba.

        • Anung same lang sila ni MAR…Mga ROXAS ay mga angkan ng KASTILA na habang ang mga INDIO na NINUNO natin ay nagbubungkal sa gitna ng CUBAO ang mga KASTILALOY na mga iyan ay nagtuturo o itinuturo lang nila ang hangganan ng kanilang lupang gustong ariin ang angkinin thru TORRENT SYSTEM na marunung magabasa at sumulat ( ang ninuno natin ay hindi – pero nauna sila sa mga lupaing na mga iyan ) hanggang LIBIS ay itinuro at HAYAAN – naging KANILA na ang CUBAO – OLIGARCH na ORIGINAL mga iyan … SI POE , DUTERTE at iba pa si CHIZ…. HINDI PO @NEWBIE…he he tanung ka sa mga angkan mo o magbasa ng PHIL. HISTORY kasi para malaman mo . Mga kalahi ni BLANCO mga ROXAS na iyan…WALANG MABUTING GAGAWIN nyan pag naging P natin si MAMA JUDY ang prrsident natin nyan at di KORINA sus naku po…patay kayong mga journalist….balita ko bago kay MAR nagka asawa na ng iba nyan….check lang natin ha..

        • Ang life ni KORINA mga daw ay naging HMMM ni ex na AHA si KORINA…naku 1st lady natin …naku po….FIRST GETLEMAN natin US citizen …tinatanggap ng mga masang Filipino pero ang FIRST LADY na HMMM bago napunta kay ROXAS- never daw KADIRI man gid.

        • Sabi ni Paquiao, your punch is below the belt – walang personalan – stick to relevant issues like an educated woman/babae ka ba?

        • @kalahari

          hahaha….oooh da hypocrazy….pag personal ang banat kay Grace walang problema…yung iba tumatawa pa,..lol

          and come on, sexist to assume na babae lang ang titira below the belt kay Mar or Koring.

          eh si Korina may mas appeal pa yan sa common tao keysa kay Mar. yung malaking porsyento ng netizens and youth ang ayaw sa kanya.

        • Open wide arms ang Tsina sa iyo basta naniniwala ka sa Sth. China sea ; ang West Phil. sea ay para sa mga Pinoy, not Tsingkoy or is it Kengkoy ???

        • parehong salot ang mga komunista at oligarchs. mas matagal na nga lang namemerwisyo ang mga oligarchs.

      • wala yang netizens na yan sa gusto ng masa.
        mas marami ang walang internet and will vote for Grace for being anak ng panday.

        yan ang nakakalongkot na realidad.

        besides, they would never vote for someone who doesn’t seem to care about them. parang tuod kasi si Mar. walang puso. pag umarte, sablay.

        while Grace comes off as natural and sincere. wag lang syang gumaya kay Chizzy na parang Quezon Memorial Circle ang tabas ng dila. paikot-ikot na wala namang sense. puro vetsin lang.

        • Dumistansya siya kay Chiz at tyak na mas magiging maayos siya. Mahirap maging tagapayo ang pulitiko rin dahil merong tiyak na pansariling interest.

          Sa kaso ng INC ay halos iisa ang sinabi nila maging si Binay. Trapong-trapo kaya ngayon panay ang paliwanag sa mga binitawang statements. Chiz is pulling Grace down at naturingan pang lawyer. She must find a new set of political advisers.

    • @victinluz na hilong talilong,

      Pag ba nanalo si GP nang pagka-pangulo ay sigurado kang siya talaga ang tatayo at magdedesisyon sa mga importanteng bagay na may kinalaman sa ating gobyerno? Hindi kaya siya magiging puppet ni Chiz or worst..hindi kaya siya ilalaglag ni Chiz para siya na maging presidente assuming mananalo siya bilang bise presidente.

      halimbawa: pareho silang nanalo GP-presidente; Chiz -VP

      Si Chiz bilang isang tuso… ilaglag na si GP then automatiko Chiz na ang presidente di ba?

      • Give Vextin a break, FOCUS peeps on anak-anakan ng artista and tanda . . . hormone shots don’t work if the cell cores are already compromised, just ask Steve Jobs ☺

  13. WAS GRACE POE’S RENUNCIATION AFFIDAVIT ANTEDATED?
    DID SHE LIE OR GOT CONFUSED ABOUT HER EXPATRIATION?

    In her renunciation of her US citizenship made with the US government (in Forms DS-4079 and DS-4083), Grace Poe claimed that she expatriated herself in October 21, 2010 – coinciding with the date she took her oath as Chair of MTRCB.

    But her Philippine affidavit of renunciation of US citizenship was dated October 20, 2010, the day before she took her oath as Chair. That affidavit was also transmitted to the Philippine Bureau of Immigration and Deportation, supposedly on the same day, October 20, 2010.

    So why would Grace forget that very important date – October 20, 2010? Was her affidavit of renunciation antedated to October 20 that was why she forgot or got confused about the correct date?

    Certainly, Grace would not think that she expatriated herself by taking her oath as Chair because, according to her own declaration, she was advised by someone from the US embassy that her position at MTRCB was not a government policy-making position, hence there was no need for her to expatriate herself. (Unless Grace was lying about this.) She expatriated herself by officially renouncing her US citizenship in an affidavit as a requirement before she can be appointed Chair of MTRCB.

    So when did Grace actually expatriate herself? On October 20, 2010, October 21, 2010, or was it at some other date? But whatever the correct date was, it could be seen clearly that her renunciation of her US citizenship was an opportunistic act done in pursuit of a government position, not by a personal desire to return to her roots.

    And oh, by the way, Grace expatriation paperwork was handled by the law office of Escudero, Marasigan, Vallente & E.H. Villareal. Does Senator Francis Escudero, a partner of the law office, know a lot of behind the scenes personal information about Grace that she finds it hard to refuse his political maneuverings?

    Just asking questions.

    • That is interesting. Do we have an “honest mistake made in good faith” statement forthcoming? Last two paragraphs — quite interesting.

    • she was already in Pinas before that remember? she was handling her father’s production company before she became MTRCB head but she didn’t need to renounce or reclaim anything running a private company only with a gov’t post.

      you say to-may-to, i say to-mah-to. mixing up dates is common. she probably associated expatriation with a specific event instead of a date. everyone does that.

      • Mixing up dates is really common for ordinary folks but the lady senator’s peculiar case is being handled by the law office of Chiz and then a mix up? Teka muna!

        • he, he, he, chiz and co were looking at a wrong calendar, baka mayan calendar meron sila, and got the date wrong. so, what else did they get wrong?

          for the whole of the law firm to get the date wrong, and not correcting their mistake, sounds deliberate conspiracy to me.

    • They say that you have to protect your valuable investment right? :D

      The deeper her gratitude to the Chiz Gang, the more ineffective her presidency will be.

  14. Naku poe! Sino ba talaga ang totoong tatay tatayan: EDGARDO MILITAR o EMILIANO MILITAR? Ito kasi ang mahirap sa newspapers at interviews ang pangalang gamit ay EDGARDO MILITAR ngayon sa sinumpaang affidavit ay EMILIANO MILITAR. Pero ang matagal na na open secret for decades ay iisang pangalan lang: FERDINAND MARCOS,SR. OR IN SHORT MAKOY

  15. Mayruon sanang nakalaan na artikulo o babasahin si Ginang Raïssa para sa ating lahat sa panibagong sagot ni Senadora G Poe sa reklamong naisampa laban sa kaniya ni Ginoong R David.
    Kasama na sana ang iba pang mga dokumento na nasa kaniyang pag-aaral at pag-uusisa.

    Mayruon din sanang siyang kopya mula sa DFA, BID at sa iba pang hanay ng gobyerno para makumpara at mabigyan ng masusing pag-aaral at kaalaman.