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USE THIS - 2016 Elections UPDATES June 8-15Hindi daw kailangan ng isang partido upang tumakbo bilang presidente, ang kibit balikat ni Senador Grace Poe.

Sabi rin ng “political partner” niyang si Sen. Chiz Escudero: “Our party is the Philippines, and the members of our party are the Filipino people.” Tatakbo daw silang dalawa bilang “independent”.

Magpapa-ampon na lang sila.

Ang tawag nila sa kanilang tandem ay “Partido Pilipinas 2016”.

Siguro dahil may mga nagtatanong na makukulit na reporter, minabuti ni Sen. Chiz na magpadala ng text message na wala siyang balak mag-register ng isang partido political sa Comelec na may pangalang “Partido Pilipinas.”

Sa totoo lang, ngayong lang ako nakarinig ng dalawang seryosong kandidato, magmula 1992, na bina-balewala ang pagkakaroon ng sariling partido para tumakbo bilang presidente.

Bise presidente, puwede pa. Pero kailangan ng kandidato sa pagka-presidente na magtatag ng sariling partido. Hindi sapat ang magpa-ampon sa ibang partido.

Si Senador Chiz nga, e. Nag-dropout siya sa 2010 presidential race dahil hindi siya inendorse ng kanyang partido noon na Nationalist People’s Coalition. Ngayon sasabihin niya, hindi naman pala kailangan.

Ang basa ko kung bakit ganyan sila Sen. Chiz at Sen. Grace Poe, dahil umaasa sila sa ilang mga bagay kabilang na ang:

Star power – maraming mga movie stars ang sasama sa kanila na libre. Nandyan na sina Carmina Villaroel at Zoren Legazpi. Malamang si Mother Lily magpapadala ng mga stars niya. Kaya siguradong dadagsain ang kanilang mga political rally.

Sa totoo lang, isa sa mga paborito kong aktres ay si Heart Evangelista dahil hugis puso ang mukha niya at malambing siya. Kahit umupo lang siya sa entablado, ayos na.

Wala silang problema na baka langawin ang kanilang mga rally.

Pagka-Number One sa poll survey ni Sen. Grace Poe –  Masdan niyo, hindi pa siya nangangampanya, ha.

Pagkamatalino at matapang – Napanuod ko si Sen. Grace Poe noong namuno siya sa Senate hearing tungkol sa Mamasapano. Napahanga ako sa tapang at talino niya. Biruin mo, punong-puno yung kuwarto ng pinakamataas na opisyal ng sandatahang-lakas at kapulisan.

Hindi siya nasindak.

May isang eksena na binara pa niya si Sen. Bongbong Marcos na pinagpipilitang ilihis yung isyu.

Ang hearing ay nagpakita na may ibubuga pala si Sen Grace Poe.

Si Sen Chiz naman, kahit anong tanong, may sagot. Parang robot nga lang ang tono ng pagsasalita niya. Pero alam mo, mautak siya talaga.

Silang dalawa ngayon – si Poe-Chiz – ay nagpasiyang itaya ang kanilang kinabukasan. Tatakbo sila sa 2016 nang wala man lang tinatatag na political party.

Tawagin natin itong “counter-intuitive approach.”

Mas mahirap itong gagawin nila dahil ayon sa ating batas – Republic Act No. 9639 o “Poll Automation Law” – wala silang matatanggap na “official copy” ng “election return” at “certificate of canvass” kasi “accredited major national parties” lang ang may karapatang tumanggap ng kopya.

Paano yon? Paano nila malalaman kung nagkakadayaan na?

Hindi naman sila puwedeng umangal kapag bilangan na dahil sila mismo ang nagpasya na huwag magtayo ng sariling partido.

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  1. Latest on SET: Submission of Memorandums (October 6, 2015)

    Rizalito David’s camp bares discrepancies in Poe’s birth certificates

    By: Aries Joseph Hegina
    06:48 PM September 30th, 2015

    THE camp of Rizalito David, a defeated senatorial candidate in the 2013 polls who is seeking to unseat Senator Grace Poe, bared on Wednesday some discrepancies in her birth certificates which will supposedly bolster their claim that she is not a natural born Filipino.

    Showing the documents as part of the pieces of evidence they presented before the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET), David’s counsel Atty. Manuelito Luna said that Poe’s birth certificate issued on November 27, 1968 showed specifically that she is a foundling.

    But in Poe’s other birth certificate, which was issued on May 4, 2006, it showed that she is a Filipino and the first-born in the family.

    Other “glaring” errors spotted by Luna on Poe’s 2006 birth certificate include:

    – declaring Jesusa Sonora Poe (Susan Roces) and Ronald Allan Kelley Poe (Fernando Poe Jr) as the biological parents of Poe

    – stating that Ronald Allan Kelley Poe is/was alive in 2006 as FPJ died on December 14, 2004

    – stating that Grace Poe is Jesusa Sonora Poe’s first-born child, and

    – the senator was born to the spouses Jesusa Sonora Poe and Ronald Allan Kelley Poe

    He said that if the Poes are acting in good faith, they should have put “NA” on her citizenship and “adopted” on the “birth order” in the items on her birth certificate.

    The lawyer claims that Poe secured the 2006 birth certificate in preparation of her reacquisition of her Philippine citizenship under the Dual Citizen Act, which she subsequently filed in July 2006. Since Poe is a foundling, she should not have been given the opportunity to reacquire her Filipino citizenship, Luna explained.

    Adoption invalid

    David’s camp also alleged that her adoption papers are invalid as these were granted by the municipal court in San Juan, Rizal.

    Luna said that adoption proceedings, as provided by law, could only be heard and granted in a regional trial court.

    David’s camp: We sympathize for Poe but…

    Luna said that while they recognize the status of Poe as a foundling, she still violated the Constitution by violating the requirements to run for a Senate seat as she is allegedly not a natural born Filipino.

    “We sympathize with her for being a foundling but we have to uphold the Constitution. We have to uphold the rule of law,” Luna told reporters.

    “Since she violated the requirements, unless she will be able to disprove our claim that she is not a natural born Filipino, then she is disqualified and ousted from the Senate,” he added.

    The said birth certificates, adoption paper, as well as travel documents and passport records of Poe and her children form part of the 140-page Offer of Evidence they filed before the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET).

    The SET required both camps to submit their memorandum on the case on or before October 6, or 15 days after the September 21 oral arguments.

    Luna said that they will file their memorandum as early as October 1 or as late as October 5.

    Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/726794/rizalito-davids-camp-bares-discrepancies-in-poes-birth-certificates

  2. Saan kaya sila kukuha ng pondo. It costs money to run a campaign. even right now, their sorties to the provinces are costing them a lot.

    Sa mga marcos? Kay binay, para bumaba ang boto ni Mar Roxas? O sa mga iba pang mga tao? Di kaya si gloria, para pag upo ni Grace ay patawarin ang kanyang mga kaso?

    Hindi dapat iboto si Grace Poe, napakalaking kababalaghan ang gagawin nyan sa Malacanan.

  3. @parengtony,

    I will just repeat what I already posted in the past…

    Ten ASEAN Member States are NOT signatory to the 1961 UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness and YET…

    Foundlings

    Six ASEAN Member States have established specific provisions on foundlings in its nationality laws, namely Cambodia, Indonesia, Lao PDR, Malaysia, Singapore, and Vietnam (see table 4).

    Lao PDR and Vietnam are the only country which contains a provision on foundlings which fully comply with Article 2 of the 1961 Convention. Lao PDR provides for the grant of citizenship to children found in the territory but also to children whose identity of parents are unknown.

    In Vietnam abandoned newborns and children found in Vietnamese territory, whose parents are unknown, acquire Vietnamese nationality. Nonetheless, a child younger than 15 years can lose its Vietnamese nationality if the person concerned has found his/her parent(s) who hold a single foreign nationality. This means that a child cannot lose his/her nationality acquired through this provision on foundlings if he or she has found his/her parents when older than 15 years of age or if the parents do not hold a single foreign nationality.

    Lao PDR and Vietnam–both party states to the CRC and ICCPR–are through these nationality law provisions not violating the right for every child, including foundlings, to acquire nationality as set out in Article 7(1) CRC and 24(3) ICCPR.

    Partial compliance with Article 2 of the 1961 Convention can be found in Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore. In Cambodia the right to a nationality is (only) granted to children born to unknown parents and newborn children found in the territory, and not to all children found in the territory.

    In Indonesia only newborns can be considered foundlings. Malaysia and Singapore only consider newborns as foundlings if they are “found exposed” in the territory.(62) Depending on the interpretation of these provisions, a possibility exists that a group of children can be rendered stateless if they are not “found exposed” in public. Thus, only partial compliance with the Article 2 of the 1961 Convention exists for these 4 states because a safeguard for foundlings is to be applied to all young children who are not yet able to provide information on the identity of their parents or place of birth.(63)

    When looking at state compliance with relevant binding international human rights law, Cambodia, Indonesia, and Singapore are violating the right for every child to acquire a nationality pursuant to Article 7(1) CRC. Additionally, Cambodia and Indonesia are also not acting in compliance with Article 24(3) ICCPR.

    No safeguards on foundlings to prevent them from being rendered stateless can be found in nationality laws/ Constitution of Brunei (64), Myanmar, the Philippines, and Thailand.

    Page 21 in:
    “Statelessness and Transnational Migration: The role of States as duty-bearers to address statelessness in the ASEAN region under international law” by Sangita Jaghai

    http://arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=136452

    Please see also the table on page 17 (or sheet No. 24) of the document linked above.

    In sum, the regional customs are:

    — 10/10 did not sign. Philippines INcluded.

    — 6/10 made legal reforms for foundlings. Philippines EXcluded

  4. If her husband and children cannot vote for her in 2016 being AMERICAN citizens, How can she expect our vote. its that simple !

  5. I AM GRACE POE, I AM YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT. Words are cheap, I dont know what were the majority of people thought about that line of words….pero sa aming topics sa” friday night club” you know San Mig time, . that was a thin line between arrogance and competent, talking point is GRACE’s BRAVADO- Dash in spirit, pretense of bravery, blustering and swaggering conduct, pakitang gilas ika sa Batangas, I dont know if Leni Robredo can say those words once she decided to accept Mars VP offer.. I AM LENI ROBREDO, I AM YOUR NEXT VICE PRESIDENT. More likely she will utter the words in subtle way like these.. I say yes to your call to be the VP of MAR..walang pakitang gilas.

    • In pursuit of a FALSE AMBITION, Grace Llamanzares, running under a FALSE NAME, is making a FALSE IMPRESSION of herself with her FALSE BRAVADO giving FALSE HOPES anchored on FALSE CAMPAIGN PROMISES.

    • INAALAY KO ang aking sarili sa mas mataas na PNINILBIHAN bilang inyong pangulo…[email protected] naman wala syang sinabi na i am your next President…

      INTINDIHIN natin maige ang pagkabigkas nya ng tagalog na speach…. Wag na ting ibahin ang kahulugan..

        • Naku naman kayo @ Rasec… Interpreted to suit the likes and agenda of Roxas….Kayo ang magaling sa english ha not me pero malinaw , pag nagbayad ka para sirain ang isang candidate , then you twist evrytthing.

        • Then dont blame me and CPMErs, we have nothing to do with that news feeds @Victin, between arrogance/competent? Arrogance indeed, sobra taas ang feelings/tingin sa sarili ni Ms. Llamanchizrez. ???

        • I am grace “poe”, rasec3, had grace llamanzares raised her hand, she might have been saying an oath of allegiance. sanay na yan sa pagbitiw and oath of allegiance, has done so a number of times, her sincerity must be diminished by now.

          when once at the enclave to elect new pope, cardinal tagle did not say, I’m the next pope . . . even pope francis hindi nagbitiw ng ganyang pananalita before he became pope. all were so humble, beseeching god to guide them. sa bagay, INC ang leaning ni grace.

  6. Can we all stop addressing Grace, as Grace Poe? insulto ito sa atin dahil alam naman nating screen name niya lang ito. By doing so, we are helping her with her name-recognition advantage amongst the bobotantes. I know for a fact that if she is not allowed to use her maiden name, she will lose a lot of votes. So lets help by starting to address her as GRACE LLAMANZARES, her real and legal name.

  7. Stateless Mary Grace needs to hurdle Constitutional issues because I believe the presumption of her natural-born presumption is non-existent that’s why the burden of proof lies on her.

    1. From foundling, Mary Grace needs to prove that international law is customary.

    Customary o nakagawian na ba ng karamihan sa mga bayang kasapi sa UN?

    2. Next, Mary Grace needs to prove that the customary international law is already incorporated in our (Read: Domestic) nationality laws.

    Incorporated o nakapaloob na ba sa ating mga sariling batas ukol sa pagkamamamayan?

    3. Along with this No. 2 item, Mary Grace needs to prove that there is an exception to the nationality by right of blood (jus sanguinis doctrine) that is etched in our Constitution.

    Nakaukit sa Saligang Batas na ang pagkamamamayan dito sa Pilipinas ay naaayon sa minanang dugo mula sa magulang? May exception o kataliwasan o may liban ba dito sa probisyong ito?

    • 1. Customary?

      Naisulat na rito sa blog na ito at paulit-ulit nang nabanggit ni @Rene na kakaunti lamang ang nagratipika o nagsang-ayon sa 1961 UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.

      2. Incorporated?

      Wala pang batas dito sa Pilipinas na nagsasaad ng pagkamamamayan ng isang foundling.

      3. Exception exists?

      Liban sa kahalintulad na kaso ni Caram (isang banyaga na ipinanganak dito nguni’t naging public official bago pa mapagtibay ang Saligang Batas noong 1935), wala nang kataliwasan sa pagpapairal ng jus sanguinis doctrine (pagkamamamayang hango sa dugo ng magulang) dito sa Pilipinas.

    • The main issue in Poe’s case is whether or not she is NBFC.

      The burden of proving that Poe is not NBFC lies with David. So, he submitted Poe’s foundling certificate as proof that Poe’s parents are unknown. And David alleged that our constitution which follows the principle of jus sanguines did not grant Poe NBFC since her descent as source of her NBFC could not be established.

      Poe admitted that she was a foundling but alleged as affirmative defense that the 1961 UN Convention on Reduction of Statelessness is a customary international law that presumed her Philippine citizenship at birth. Thus, our constitution granted Poe NBFC since she is presumed a Philippine citizen at birth. Affirmative defense means admission of the fact but with justifying reason. Meaning with PALUSOT.

      Since Poe judicially admitted that she is in fact a foundling, David does not need to authenticate the foundling certificate he submitted with his petition. David does not need to prove its existence and have the said certificate certified as true copy of the original by the government custodian. And it is of judicial notice that our constitution follows the jus sanguines principle, and there is no need to present evidence to prove the same.

      But Poe must present evidence that the UN Convention of 1961 has become a customary international law. Poe needs to cite and authenticate decisions by the international tribunals that the same Convention has attained the level of a customary international law. Or maybe cite and authenticate any UN official position on the matter. Poe must also present evidence that the constitution allows persons with unknown parents to become NBFC.

      • After the last SET Hearing, I framed Mary Grace’s case to:

        Mary Grace is a foundling in the Philippines where nationality is by right of blood or right of descent.

        Her assignments/homework, among other things, after that last hearing to be submitted to the SET:

        1. CUSTOMARY ba ang international law na sinasabi niyang applicable sa kaniya?

        2. INCORPORATED na ba sa mga batas ng Pilipinas ukol sa pagkamamamayan ang international law na kaniyang tinutukoy?

        3. May EXCEPTION ba sa itinatakda ng Saligang Batas na nationality by right of blood ang isang natural na ipinanganak na Pilipino?

        • ‘Yan ang ibig kong malaman mula sa Katastaasang Hukuman, kung ang kaso’y makararating man sa kanila, kung paanong “legal acrobatics” o “legal engineering” ang gagawin ng Kataastaasang Hukuman na siyang nakikinikinita ko nang ipaliliwanag ng Kataastaasang Hukuman.

    • There is really nothing very complicated about Grace Poe’s natural born citizen status. In clear and categorical terms, CJ Art Panganiban why Grace Poe is a natural born citizen as well as why the burden of proof must lie on the accuser:

      http://opinion.inquirer.net/88894/q-and-a-on-grace-poes-natural-born-citizenship

      Maraming Salamat po sa inyong lahat sa inyong napaka tiagang mga pagsisikap sa paghanap at paglikha ng issue laban kay Amazing Grace.

  8. Naku kayo mga taga @CPMERs @BFD at iba pa dyan….Mga magagaling kayong journalist ang akala ko , iyon pala mga palaka din ang mga ISIP ninyo… Pag ang tatay mo pala ay MAGNANAKAW ay ikaw ay MAGNANAKAW din , come on he he .. Pag Hostess ang nanay mo ay hostess ka din … naku ha … KAYO NAMAN , ito ang TOTOO pag ang mga MAGULANG MO ay SIRA ULO may diperensya sa utak ( KAGAYA ng mga UTAK ng mga mapang aping mayayaman na angkan ng KASTILA nanakatira sa CUBAO at hindi marunung mag desisyon ng tama o TAKOT magbigay ng mga OPINION ) 100% porsyento MAGMAMANA ka ng kasiraan sa UTAK he he… ONCE na you undergo/succumbed to an OPERATION paying everything to increase your POPULARITY ( sira ulo ka na nyan ) like ROXAS ,, he he mga latak ng KASTILALOY na may sayad sa UTAK ..

    • @VictinLuz

      Don’t you consider yourself a CPMer? In my understanding, lahat ng nagsumasali sa pagcomment dito sa blog ni @raissa ay CPMer, even the troll until they can no longer defend their agenda. Kaya ‘wag mong sasabihing, “Naku kayo mga taga @CPMers @BFD at iba pa dyan… ”

      CPMers tayo lahat dito, unless you are a troll who will eventually run out of reasons to push for your agenda.

      Peace man!!!!!

      • Iam a CPMErs pero hindi ako sunud sunuran na kagaya ng iba sa atin dito na kahit na MALI o MALAYO ang pananaw sa ibat ibang bagay ay YES na ako… he he… many of us here are brilliant and intelligent , pero saan naman kayo nakakita na kung magnanakaw ang ama o angkan ang anak ay MAGNANAKAW na din? Diba sa mga NABABAYARAN lang ni ROXAS ang karamihan ?

      • No @RASEC…. Kahit pa pabaligtad baligtad natin ang mga tanung at mga kasagutan natin… Of the 3 candidates Binay, Grace and Roxas……Grace is the MOST DESERVING to become our next President……WALA lang naatake kay Roxas dito sa blog dahil karamihan nga ay TAGA ROXAS… Kung malapit lang ako sa Manila and have contact with Jpurnalist or writers who are against Roxas ,, ako mismo ang maglalahatla dito ng mga BAHO ng mga ARAETA ROXAS…

        • OMG,, MOST DESERVING? YOU did not convince me and CPmers yet why should we pick GP for P, BTW why dont you let your PC( Sent it online) do the walking to Manila for your well researched baho of Mar so we can read and judge.

        • How can i convince people here at CPMs a lahat ata kayo TAGA ROXAS na…diba…it can be concluded kasi wala sa inyo ang umaatake kay ROXAS… He he diba…..

    • Alam mo, VictinLuz, umalma ako nung lumitaw na kulay mo. I hope napakinggan mo yung interview kay Raissa sa radyo. Konting research naman dyan.

      Kung kay Roxas ang pag-uusapan natin, eto lang masasabi ko, ngayon lang ako nakakakita ng isang trabaho na pwede yung mga 40 years old to 60 years old na walang trabaho dati na nakapagtrabaho because of the BPO industry which Roxas initiated or encouraged.

      You see, sometime in 2009, I walked in a legal transcription company, this is a branch of a BPO industry, and saw manangs typing away at their computers, which is great to see because of them being productive and all.

      I have not seen that years before, so I was amazed that there is an industry that a person can hold even in their late 40s and up given the right computer skills.

      Even in the call center industry I see this, there is no discrimination. Who started all these? Mar Roxas.

      But to tell us in our face that you support a probable Marcos daughter, nah, to the detriment of the nation, ni wala ka pa ngang maipakita na accomplishment ni Grace Llamanzarez dito except renunciation of her Filipino citizenship.

      Also, she has no right to represent the masses. Why? She lived a life of a rich girl, partied with the rich and famous, because of her being in the Poe family. Baka nga di pa nakatuntong sa isang sulok sa BASECO, Tondo iyan ng walang bodyguard or mingled with the poor IN HER OWN.

      What did Mary Grace did to win our votes?

      Ano, VictinLuZ? Lay your cards on the table?

      • 3D dimension’s in the Philippines was not started by Roxas @BFD and even with out Roxas or other Filipinos — we will be standing in a computerized world now..that was the TREND @BFD …but the Yolanda relief distribution’s FAILURE can all be acknowledge to tour ROXAS…..with Roxas elected for so many years , still NO ACCOMLISHMENT to lay…..kayo ng nagbubulagbulagan.. HE can never win the Presidency…. filipinos rather prefer Binay than Roxas….

        • That’s where you’re wrong, VictinLuz. Although he is only one of the many who were contributors, he contributed greatly to entice and make the BPO industry grow faster by creating and sponsoring laws to ease the birth pangs of the industry.

          Read this…

          Of course, the IT-BPO industry was not an overnight affair. Credit is due to the handful of individuals who saw the potential in the business in its early stages. Among them are the likes of Rainier “Bong” Borja, who is often regarded as the most articulate voice of the Philippine BPO industry; Karen Batungbacal for her early involvement and series of contact center firms; and Secretary Mar Roxas, who, during his tenure as secretary of the Department of Trade and Industry, saw the potential of the industry, reached out to key leaders to promote foreign investment, and helped shape the landscape of BPO into what it is today.

          In fact, one of the key contributions Mar Roxas made to the BPO industry was lobbying in congress to revise Republic Act 7916, so that buildings or floors in buildings could register as an ecozone. That meant that the budding BPO industries were exempt from paying national and local taxes, and only had to contribute 5% of their gross income as tax — a major enabler during that time.

          http://www.rappler.com/brandrap/stories/98207-bpo-philippines-timeline

          What have Grace Poe done to ease and help in the reconstruction and resettlement of the Yolanda victims? She was already a senator at that time, didn’t she?

        • sorry, not sponsoring, but lobbying for the law….

          Another great thing about this is the recent revelation of the Pres. Aquino, Mar Roxas or his family did not personally benefit from the BPO industry in Cubao….

        • Hindi naman si Grace Poe ang may hawak ng RELIEFs ng [email protected]…..kung si Roxas ang humawak ng MAPAPSANO killings , tiyak hindi kasama si PNOY sa command responsibilities…di ba?

        • I don’t know about the others, but I know where I stand vis a vis the Mamasapano police operation. It was that way because the other SAF companies didn’t do what the plan was. They were not in their assigned way points.

          At least if they were in their way points, they could have shared correct coordinates to their commanders and joined in the firefight against the pintakasi.

          PERO ANO NGA NAGAWA NI GRACE?

          PURO SHOW LANG NAMAN PATI SAKAY SA MRT. IT’S ALL FOR SHOW, FOLKS.

          Wala ka namang masabi na accomplishment ni GRACE. Nagsabi na ako ng accomplishment ni MAR ROXAS na sumapul sa marami nating kabababayan.

          IKAW, WaLA pa rin…. Go VictinLuz. Go, Go. Go.

        • Also, a leader is one who inspires others to do something.

          Nagawa n nya iyan ng ilobby nya ang Kongreso nuon na iprioridad ang pagsulong ng batas para sa BPO industry.

          Si Grace, anong batas na nga ba ang nainspire nya upang ipasa ng Kongreso na nagkaroon ng impact sa ating bayan?

        • @BFD, kahit pilipitin mo ang leeg ng kapitbahay mo ay walang accomplishments si Grace dahil nga bago sa pulitika. Kauupo pa lamang at wala pa talaga. Hindi naman natin nais maliitin ang kakayahan ng senadora pero sa talagang wala.

          Oo, si Grace ay legal daughter ni FPJ at Susan na pawang mga sikat na artista. Kaya sikat din siya pero bukod doon ay wala na o wala pa, ngunit nagnanais ng maging presidente. Mabuti pa nga yung isang bagong senador may mga naipasa ng mainam na batas para sa ekonomiya, mas matalino at mas may experience kahit na bata pa. Magpahinog muna sana sa senado at magpakitang gilas sa taumbayan.

        • Kapag tinanong mo about nagawa ng senadora, ang gagawin ay titirahin lang si Roxas tsk tsk. Iibahin ang usap samantalang ang ganda ng tanong na, “ANO ANG DAHILAN PARA IBOTO SYA SA PAGKA-PANGULO? ANO ANG MGA NAGAWA NA PARA PAGTIWALAAN SIYA NA HAWAKAN ANG BANSA AT ANG 100 MILYONG BUHAY NG PILIPINO?”.

          Ang sagot dyan ay simple lang:

          Sagot: “PAKITANONG KAY SHERYL.”

        • Hahaha, pakitanong kay Sheryl…. okay iyon, Vhin AB.

          Kaso ginigipit nila ngayon si Sheryl Cruz.

          Alam ko kasi tactic ni Ferdinand Marcos iyan, dapat walang dissent, wala dapat kontra kundi lago ka…

          Ano na ngayon, VictinLuz? Ano na masasabi mo sa ganyang kalakaran?

          Kung sina PNoy at Mar Roxas di sila pinigilan sa Mamasapano report nila, dito kay Sheryl lang, tinanggalan na kaagad ng manager dahil sa pagkontra kay Grace Llamanzares…

        • It was already published in the inquirer before abput all the accomplishment of GRACE in the SENATE…try to google nalang po @BFD @RASEC….kasama laht ng approved BILLs co authored by GRACE…

        • Hahaha, VictinLuz, I am telling you a story that impacted me because of what Mar has done with the BPO industry. Experiential iyon. No need to google on my part. You have to do your research and present to us so THAT WE WILL KNOW WHY SHOULD WE VOTE FOR GRACE LLAMANZARES.

          Lame excuse yung “research mo na lang” type of reasoning. Ano sa tingin mo ang nagkaroon ng impact sa iyo na ginawa ni Grace?

          Simple lang ang tanong, di mo pa masagot.

        • mas marami pa ngang ginawa soi Bam sa Senate kesa kay Poe para sa kabataan. tahimik lang siya at mapagpakumbaba. hindi umeepal kahit pa pinsan siya ni Pnoy. and yet, pareho lang sila katagal ni Poe as senator. Overrated lang talaga si Poe. Mapapansin mo siya, karamihan ng mga kuha sa kanya, laging nakaduro ang hintuturo niya at nagbubunganga. show of much arrogance if you ask me.

        • pls address her by her real and legal name Llamazares.Naloko niya ang mga bobotante sa pagamit ng Poe wag na tayong paloko.

  9. @parengtony,

    I hope let us be one on this:

    To PNoy and the Philippine Government:

    RATIFY the 1961 UN Convention and AMEND the Constitution…

    Then let the people decide…

    For the sake of ALL foundlings and children with unknown parents…

    Letting the people decide for the sake of ONE (1) stateless person named “Mary Grace” is indescribable…

  10. Raissa,

    Please release my posting:

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    September 25, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Another Faking Duck for our Pulutan

    to debunk Rene Saguisag’s recent column.

    Thank you!

  11. Another Faking Duck for our Pulutan

    Since @Parentony seems not able to personally continue debate against us on Poe’s Natural Born Pinay issue, he brought to us Oscar Franklin Tan’s and Teddy boy Locsin’s and maybe @parengtony is a masochist that he enjoys the beatings we gladly served to his idols, he brought us again another big gun called Saguisag!

    In Saguisag’s column, Sept. 21, 1972, ho-hum; “natural-born” defined!, September 24, 2015 8:31 pm, in Manila Times, he wrote these:

    When martial law was not invalidated by the Supreme Court, among the dissenters was Chief Justice Roberto Concepcion, my teacher who taught us that a natural born Filipino was “one born a Filipino.” I think it is Rizalino David’s burden that the infant came from abroad or even Mars.

    Parekoy: Saguisag did some old tricks similar to Ted an-Talk (Ho-hum), but I am here to expose those. Saguisag did a very clever segue rom Martial Law to Poe. He even employed bringing the name of former SC Chief Justice Concepcion. What Saguisag is imputing though is that David or those against Poe’s automatic claim that she is Natural Born are claiming Poe was born abroad or even from Mars to add absurdity to ideas in those Saguisag opposed.

    No one is stateless under the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and special care and assistance must be given helpless children, kahit putok sa buho, anak sa labas, pulot, o ampon (Arts. 15 and 25). It seems to be his burden to prove that Grace is not one of us (but she does not have one eye only as a Martian or ET). There are two UN Conventions on Statelessness (1954 and 1961). And there is the 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child, which echoes that “childhood is entitled to special care and assistance.” Courts “must be vigilant for {the] protection” of the handicapped (Civil Code, Art. 24). A pulot comes to this world with two strikes; the system should not throw the third.xxx

    Parekoy: We are not in disaggreement here since it is given that a foundling should not remain stateless, thereby a Filipino. But the main question is does a foundling automatically granted Natural Born Citizenship? In the absence of explicit categor for foundlings in our constitution, we need to weigh the rights of the individual foundling against th right of the State. That is why I agree with Carpio that Poe is a naturalized citizen and could be elevated to natural born with the condition that there is a proof of filiation, and DNA is one of the best tool to find out. I even coined Naturalized Born Filipino Citizen because by hindsight and logic, that is the fairest and most balanced way of protecting the rights of the foundling and the State.

    xxxMaybe a fourth ball, for a free pass. Let the people decide?

    Parekoy: Oh boy, the ducks are quacking the same thing, “Let the people decide!”. Vox populi, vox dei! The same old tricks for those who know their position is indefensible in the court of law and public opinion. Saguisag crafted his “Let the people decide?” remark as a question mark to distance himself a bit so he could always disown the idea that he is espousing giving Poe a free pass to automatically qualify as a Presidential Candidate and if she wins the election then that question of law is settled. The problem with that route is the question of the citizenship of a foundling is unresolved since the mandate is not for foundlings but only the Presidency. The proper way of letting the people decide on the question of foundling’s automatic natural born citizenship is through referendum.

    Indulge me to share with the readers to save them some clicks and for easy reference they know what is a people’s initiative and referendum.

    REPUBLIC ACT NO. 6735

    AN ACT PROVIDING FOR A SYSTEM OF INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS THEREFOR.

    Section 1. Title. — This Act shall be known as “The Initiative and Referendum Act.”

    Section 2. Statement of Policy. — The power of the people under a system of initiative and referendum to directly propose, enact, approve or reject, in whole or in part, the Constitution, laws, ordinances, or resolutions passed by any legislative body upon compliance with the requirements of this Act is hereby affirmed, recognized and guaranteed.

    Section 3. Definition of Terms. — For purposes of this Act, the following terms shall mean:

    (a) “Initiative” is the power of the people to propose amendments to the Constitution or to propose and enact legislations through an election called for the purpose.

    There are three (3) systems of initiative, namely:

    a.1 Initiative on the Constitution which refers to a petition proposing amendments to the Constitution;

    a.2. Initiative on statutes which refers to a petition proposing to enact a national legislation; and

    a.3. Initiative on local legislation which refers to a petition proposing to enact a regional, provincial, city, municipal, or barangay law, resolution or ordinance.

    (b) “Indirect initiative” is exercise of initiative by the people through a proposition sent to Congress or the local legislative body for action.

    (c) “Referendum” is the power of the electorate to approve or reject a legislation through an election called for the purpose. It may be of two classes, namely:

    c.1. Referendum on statutes which refers to a petition to approve or reject an act or law, or part thereof, passed by Congress; and

    c.2. Referendum on local law which refers to a petition to approve or reject a law, resolution or ordinance enacted by regional assemblies and local legislative bodies.

    (d) “Proposition” is the measure proposed by the voters.

    (e) “Plebiscite” is the electoral process by which an initiative on the Constitution is approved or rejected by the people.

    (f) “Petition” is the written instrument containing the proposition and the required number of signatories. It shall be in a form to be determined by and submitted to the Commission on Elections, hereinafter referred to as the Commission.

    (g) “Local government units” refers to provinces, cities, municipalities and barangays.

    (h) “Local legislative bodies” refers to the Sangguniang Panlalawigan, Sangguniang Panlungsod, Sangguniang Bayan, and Sangguniang Nayon.

    (i) “Local executives” refers to the Provincial Governors, City or Municipal Mayors and Punong Barangay, as the case may be.

    Section 4. Who may exercise. — The power of initiative and referendum may be exercised by all registered voters of the country, autonomous regions, provinces, cities, municipalities and barangays.

    Section 5. Requirements. — (a) To exercise the power of initiative or referendum, at least ten per centum (10%) of the total number of the registered voters, of which every legislative district is represented by at least three per centum (3%) of the registered voters thereof, shall sign a petition for the purpose and register the same with the Commission.

    (b) A petition for an initiative on the 1987 Constitution must have at least twelve per centum (12%) of the total number of registered voters as signatories, of which every legislative district must be represented by at least three per centum (3%) of the registered voters therein. Initiative on the Constitution may be exercised only after five (5) years from the ratification of the 1987 Constitution and only once every five (5) years thereafter.

    (c) The petition shall state the following:

    c.1. contents or text of the proposed law sought to be enacted, approved or rejected, amended or repealed, as the case may be;

    c.2. the proposition;

    c.3. the reason or reasons therefor;

    c.4. that it is not one of the exceptions provided herein;

    c.5. signatures of the petitioners or registered voters; and

    c.6. an abstract or summary in not more than one hundred (100) words which shall be legibly written or printed at the top of every page of the petition.

    (d) A referendum or initiative affecting a law, resolution or ordinance passed by the legislative assembly of an autonomous region, province or city is deemed validly initiated if the petition thereof is signed by at least ten per centum (10%) of the registered voters in the province or city, of which every legislative district must be represented by at least three per centum (3%) of the registered voters therein; Provided, however, That if the province or city is composed only of one (1) legislative district, then at least each municipality in a province or each barangay in a city should be represented by at least three per centum (3%) of the registered voters therein.

    (e) A referendum of initiative on an ordinance passed in a municipality shall be deemed validly initiated if the petition therefor is signed by at least ten per centum (10%) of the registered voters in the municipality, of which every barangay is represented by at least three per centum (3%) of the registered voters therein.

    (f) A referendum or initiative on a barangay resolution or ordinance is deemed validly initiated if signed by at least ten per centum (10%) of the registered voters in said barangay.

    Section 6. Special Registration. — The Commission on Election shall set a special registration day at least three (3) weeks before a scheduled initiative or referendum.

    Section 7. Verification of Signatures. — The Election Registrar shall verify the signatures on the basis of the registry list of voters, voters’ affidavits and voters identification cards used in the immediately preceding election.

    II. — National Initiative and Referendum

    SECTION 8. Conduct and Date of Initiative or Referendum. — The Commission shall call and supervise the conduct of initiative or referendum.

    Within a period of thirty (30) days from receipt of the petition, the Commission shall, upon determining the sufficiency of the petition, publish the same in Filipino and English at least twice in newspapers of general and local circulation and set the date of the initiative or referendum which shall not be earlier than forty-five (45) days but not later than ninety (90) days from the determination by the Commission of the sufficiency of the petition.

    Section 9. Effectivity of Initiative or Referendum Proposition. — (a) The Proposition of the enactment, approval, amendment or rejection of a national law shall be submitted to and approved by a majority of the votes cast by all the registered voters of the Philippines

    Parekoy:
    Let us concentrate on Section 9. The imperative word here is MAJORITY OF THE VOTES! It means the enactment, approval, amendment or rejection of a national law(Constitution) is approved by the majority. If the question of foundling’s natural born citizenship would be resolved by riding on Poe’s winning the Presidency, then most likely if she ever wins it is not by majority but only by popularity or plurality, which is contradictory on the intent of a referendum that requires majority!

    For this, it is clear that Saguisags proposal is disengenious and full of trickery of letting the people decide by condonation through election[@baycas].

    We have many Pinoys who have become American citizens. Like Loida Nicolas Lewis. To me it would not be legally tenable, intellectually respectable and psychologically satisfying to declare that she is not a natural-born Pinoy, even if she married Reggie Lewis, a member of my Harvard Law batch of ‘68. Grace did not marry an alien, looks like many of us, speaks our language, and by osmosis, have the Designer Genes of principled and generous FPJ and Susan.

    Parekoy:

    A non-sequitur! , for Loida (not a foundling) has nothing to do with Poe (a foundling) being a natural born Pinoy! Saguisag just inserted Loida so as to lead us his connection being a batch mate of Reggie at Law Harvard therefore laying his credentials on the line. He is staking his Ivy education on his untenable position of supporting his convoluted argument that Poe is being deprived of Filipino Citizenship, which is not, because by default she is a Pinay, but for a moment categorized as naturalized as generous to fit into one of the definitions in our constitution. I repeat my position and I agree that Carpio is correct that Poe has on her shoulders the burden of proof to prove that without any doubt and with certainty that she is a Natural Born Filipino Citizen through filiation!

    I could also write here my interactions with my fella Bikolana Loida, however I don’t want to mimic the same tricks as Saguisag, so I limited myself to the meat of the arguments.

    I am grateful to @parengtony by offering here the opinions and positions of the big guns of our Filipino Lawyers, from Oscar Franklin Tan (UP Law, Harvard Law), Ted an-Talk (Ateneo Law) to Saguisag (San Beda, Harvard Law). I am grateful for giving us the opportunity to debunk and to expose their untenable and indefensible position on Poe’s Natural Born Filipino Citizenship issue, which we in CPM honestly, valiantly, and intelligently did!

    In closing, since the writing made me famish, let me have a light conclusion.

    They quack like a duck, they know how to duck, but here in CPM, they are sitting ducks!

    And to borrow a line from FPJ, Napapaligiran ko na kayo! Sumuko na kayo!

    Bang, bang, bang!

    Now we have three ducks for our pulutan! Since only on has Chinese name, we can’t make them all Peking Ducks, but with their fakery and trickery, we can make a CPM original dish called Faking Ducks!

    Kampai!

    Parekoy
    09-25-2015

    • Very clear/good explanation @Parekoy, thanks for that, I consider you the best Peek-ing duck :D,, The worst thing is makalusot yung mga palusots ng kampo ni GP, that GP a rookie possibly hit a home run even her bases are empty, kawawa na naman ang PILIPINO NAISAHAN NA NAMAN…