Opinyon ni Raïssa Robles
Hindi daw kailangan ng isang partido upang tumakbo bilang presidente, ang kibit balikat ni Senador Grace Poe.
Sabi rin ng “political partner” niyang si Sen. Chiz Escudero: “Our party is the Philippines, and the members of our party are the Filipino people.” Tatakbo daw silang dalawa bilang “independent”.
Magpapa-ampon na lang sila.
Ang tawag nila sa kanilang tandem ay “Partido Pilipinas 2016”.
Siguro dahil may mga nagtatanong na makukulit na reporter, minabuti ni Sen. Chiz na magpadala ng text message na wala siyang balak mag-register ng isang partido political sa Comelec na may pangalang “Partido Pilipinas.”
Sa totoo lang, ngayong lang ako nakarinig ng dalawang seryosong kandidato, magmula 1992, na bina-balewala ang pagkakaroon ng sariling partido para tumakbo bilang presidente.
Bise presidente, puwede pa. Pero kailangan ng kandidato sa pagka-presidente na magtatag ng sariling partido. Hindi sapat ang magpa-ampon sa ibang partido.
Si Senador Chiz nga, e. Nag-dropout siya sa 2010 presidential race dahil hindi siya inendorse ng kanyang partido noon na Nationalist People’s Coalition. Ngayon sasabihin niya, hindi naman pala kailangan.
Ang basa ko kung bakit ganyan sila Sen. Chiz at Sen. Grace Poe, dahil umaasa sila sa ilang mga bagay kabilang na ang:
Star power – maraming mga movie stars ang sasama sa kanila na libre. Nandyan na sina Carmina Villaroel at Zoren Legazpi. Malamang si Mother Lily magpapadala ng mga stars niya. Kaya siguradong dadagsain ang kanilang mga political rally.
Sa totoo lang, isa sa mga paborito kong aktres ay si Heart Evangelista dahil hugis puso ang mukha niya at malambing siya. Kahit umupo lang siya sa entablado, ayos na.
Wala silang problema na baka langawin ang kanilang mga rally.
Pagka-Number One sa poll survey ni Sen. Grace Poe – Masdan niyo, hindi pa siya nangangampanya, ha.
Pagkamatalino at matapang – Napanuod ko si Sen. Grace Poe noong namuno siya sa Senate hearing tungkol sa Mamasapano. Napahanga ako sa tapang at talino niya. Biruin mo, punong-puno yung kuwarto ng pinakamataas na opisyal ng sandatahang-lakas at kapulisan.
Hindi siya nasindak.
May isang eksena na binara pa niya si Sen. Bongbong Marcos na pinagpipilitang ilihis yung isyu.
Ang hearing ay nagpakita na may ibubuga pala si Sen Grace Poe.
Si Sen Chiz naman, kahit anong tanong, may sagot. Parang robot nga lang ang tono ng pagsasalita niya. Pero alam mo, mautak siya talaga.
Silang dalawa ngayon – si Poe-Chiz – ay nagpasiyang itaya ang kanilang kinabukasan. Tatakbo sila sa 2016 nang wala man lang tinatatag na political party.
Tawagin natin itong “counter-intuitive approach.”
Mas mahirap itong gagawin nila dahil ayon sa ating batas – Republic Act No. 9639 o “Poll Automation Law” – wala silang matatanggap na “official copy” ng “election return” at “certificate of canvass” kasi “accredited major national parties” lang ang may karapatang tumanggap ng kopya.
Paano yon? Paano nila malalaman kung nagkakadayaan na?
Hindi naman sila puwedeng umangal kapag bilangan na dahil sila mismo ang nagpasya na huwag magtayo ng sariling partido.
Parekoy says
On Applying for a Job, whose burden is it to prove your credentials?
With all the noise and passionate arguments about burden of proof on Poe’s case, I took it upon myself to lift the heavy burden(pun intended) of explaining on why it is on Poe to prove her filiation so as to prove with certainty that she is in fact and no doubt a Natural Born Filipino Citizen.
There is a certain segment of our learned population that argues that the burden of proof is on the accuser. It is a misplaced argument! Why? Because It is valid when we are dealing with accused alledged criminals. The constitution is explicit to protect the right of the accused and let the accuser prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty. In this case, the burden of proof is on the accuser!
But applying as a Senatorial Candidate or Presidential Candidate is not a criminal process (though my skeptical alter-ego disagrees when it comes to our Philippine setting, which the government is the biggest criminal enterprise) it is a straight forward job application.
In any job application the employer has specific requirements that need to be fulfilled and satisfied. In Poe’s case she needs to satisfy the employer that she is in fact a natural born Filipino citizen and has a ten-year required residency. Take any Filipino as one of the Human Resource officers who has every right to scrutinize Poe’s application because she is applying for a very sensitive and powerful position that is granting her the power to uplift or ruin the 100 million Filipino lives.
Now, the officer found some things in her credentials that need to be verified and need some corroborating(certainty!) evidence of her claim. Now, imagine that Poe says that the burden of proof is on the shoulders of the Human Resource officer, do you think the officer will even consider her as one of those to be considered in the short list(Official Candidate) for the position of Presidency?
Also mind that the position needs to be filled in a set time, and all the short listed candidates are required to pass all the necessary requirements with certainty and beyond reasonable doubt that indeed the candidates complied in the strictest possible terms. What if the candidate for short list has pending requirements to be fulfilled and asking the Human Resource Officer that she can’t make it on time? Don’t you think it is unfair to those candidates who submitted their requirements on time of the officer grants her appeal?
My take is that the officer will politely say that she could come back after six years and having ironed out the kinks in her credentials she could apply for the same position since it will surely be vacant and needs a new employee!
Parekoy
09-24-2015
PS
Many Poe supporters will say it “Depends”, and my retort is that we expect them to bring more of those diapers for I smell some shit coming out of their asses!
:)
parengtony says
I will ignore your insults dahil ayokong aksayahin ang aking panahon.
Tungkol naman sa merits ng issue, hindi ako abugado pero malinaw sa isip ko na ang analogy mo ay palso. Masyadong trying hard.
Alam mo kung talagang astig ka si Teddy Boy ang banggain mo tungkol sa issue ng burden of proof sa kasong natural born citizen. Eto, basahin mong mabuti:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/opinions/09/23/15/teditorial-unbelievable-stupidity
wiseandnoble says
Teddy Boy Locsin uses emotion to argue the case of Poe’s citizenship. Similar to his other editorials, this is also an opinion piece. His arguments are not based on law but rather on how he feels. They don’t count in court.
Parekoy says
When Ted Talks: His ideas are not worth spreading.
Ah Ted? When Ted talks you immediately sense that you accidentally clicked the wrong channel and you mistook it for TED Talks because his ideas are not worth spreading!
From his blog whose title is Unbelievable Stupidity in defense of Poe that the burden of proof on the shoulders of those who say she is not a Filipino:
Parekoy: The issue is that Poe claims that she is a foundling and therefore Natural Born. But the State would like to know the proof that indeed she is Natural Born for not knowing your filiation is submitting a claim without any evidence.
canadadry says
may nagbabasa pa ba kay Tidibuy?
Parekoy says
When Ted Talks: His ideas are not worth spreading.
Ah Ted? When Ted talks you immediately sense that you accidentally clicked the wrong channel and you mistook it for TED Talks because his ideas are not worth spreading!
From his blog whose title is Unbelievable Stupidity in defense of Poe that the burden of proof on the shoulders of those who say she is not a Filipino:
Parekoy: The issue is that Poe claims that she is a foundling and therefore Natural Born. But the State would like to know the proof that indeed she is Natural Born for not knowing your filiation is submitting a claim without any evidence.
Parekoy: This is misleading. First his assumption is without basis and now he is fear mongering. Ted is one of those fellas using the plight of the Jews to support his weak reasoning.
Parekoy: How come he claims that DNA test is a fitness test? Fitness for what? Mental faculty? Able to serve honestly? So confusing for the issue is just limited to filiation!
Oh wait, now I remember, he defended Sottocopying!
What Tito Sotto did and didn’t do
By: Teodoro L. Locsin, Jr.
November 15, 2012 9:38 AM
Ted is actually arguing that DNA test is evil and he claims it as a tool of racist! Really?
Ted went out of topic, which is the burden of proof of filiation and not of ethnicity!
I would like to beat his sleight of hand but I think our readers here in CPM are a discerning bunch that could easily see Ted’s own Unbelievable Stupidity!
Sometimes arrogance is mistaken as intellect, and it shows in his defense of the indefensible!
I disagree on almost all the points he raised in this Teditorial, but one thing I agree though of his appropriate title betraying his Unbelievable Stupidity!
Parekoy
09-24-2015
PS
@parengtony
Unlike you, I pointed Ted’s Fallso(PALSO)…Why don’t you give it a try and point out mine.
Parekoy says
Bangga ka Day!!!
:)
Mel says
@Parekoy, on your ‘On Applying for a Job, whose burden is it to prove your credentials?’
your analogy is ideal, supposedly a good culture to adapt in pinas.
two seating senators (e.g. recto & marcos) whose educational credentials/attainments have been found out to be untrue – they are still seated as lawmakers. they are not called to account for their ‘educated’ guesswork.
in da pilipins, it doesn’t realistically work that way. nandiyan pa si erap, mga actors sa kongresso at senado.
for a chief executive, in return for political favors to his electoral backers? political appointments at GOCCs for example, even if the appointees do not have the education or qualifications.
one could reach the top helm of political office because a lot of people just know you (e.g. by surname), or you are that popular compared with the rest, or share your loot (binGay) with the rest
pero sa mga ‘advanced economies’, ‘developed economies’, when a job applicant is hired and appointed in a private sector/company, and when found out later that the employee lied or ‘padded’ his work experience, lied on educational credentials/attainments – they are criminally prosecuted (i.e. for economic gain).
Parekoy says
Among the job descriptions, the qualifications for the presidency is so easy to comply to compared with running corporations as CEO.
Qualification for Philippine President and Vice-President:
1. natural born citizen of the Philippines
2. registered voter
3. able to read and write
4. at least 40 years of age on the day of election
5. resident of the Philippines for at least 10 years immediately preceding the election.
Numbers 1 and 5 are the issues against Poe.
Mel says
Testing the waters, indulge me kabayan.
What if there is a Corporation that rules over a speck of land, with wards, has boundaries and over its population?
The City of London Corporation as an example. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation#History)
DO you think it could work in The Philippines?
Parekoy says
It is actually working coverly for quite a log time now in the Philippines for the interest of the Corporations.
The difference though is that there is no election.
If London has the City of London Corporation, Philippines has…
Oligarchy
Mel says
If it can work in the US, why not in The Philippines?
– The United States Isn’t a Country
— It’s a Corporation!
by Lisa Guliani
http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm
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Or probably, The Philippines is already one. We just don’t know, yet.
leona says
I agree Parekoy. . . 101.5% correct analogy!
Sen. Poe’s VERIFIED ANSWER Page 5 avers and ADMITS on
Paragraph 1.1. – ‘Respondent was born on 3 September 1968 in Jaro, Iloilo. Being a foundling, Respondent’s biological parents are unknown to her.’
Paragraph 1.1.1. – ‘As stated in Respondent’s Certificate of Live Birth, she was found abandoned x x x‘
Issue of ‘foundling’ admitted as avered under oath. ‘Abandoned’ admitted under oath.
Petition’s contents are therefore admitted by Respondent who averred her admissions. The primary sole issue is: the natural born citizen(ship).
Who has the burden of proof then from allegations in the Petition and the Verified Answer which makes admissions of ‘foundling’ having been ‘abandoned’?
X X X The party having the burden of proving a fact is NOT required to introduce evidence thereof if the necessary proof is introduced by his adversary Jones on Evidence; 5th ed., 364-365.
The admissions made by Sen. Poe above quoted relieves Petitioner David of proving the fact since Respondent Poe admitted she is a ‘foundling’ without known citizenship, natural born or simply a citizen of the Philippines.
This phrase is employed in contradistinction to “burden of proof” in the primary sense, or, as Professor Wigmore ably states it, the “risk of non-persuasion’ upon the whole of the evidence – (the natural born citizen), – in the case.
Burden of proof and burden of evidence are distinguished. – The first rest with the complainant and remains so from the beginning and end of the case. If he/she has not presented any proof, the decision must be adverse to him/her. But in Sen. Poe’s case, she admitted she has no known citizenship proof because she is a foundling with unknown parents. This admission supplies and proves the Petition of Mr. David, who is relieved of having the burden of proof.
Burden of evidence (the second other burden) shifts to one party when the other has produced sufficient evidence to be entitled as a matter of law to a ruling in his/her favor. Mr. David’s allegation is admiited by Sen. Poe. S, in Sen. Poe’s case, the burden of evidence shifts to Sen. Poe per her admission of the fact of admitting she is a foundling WITHOUT ANY PROOF OF natural born citizenship, relieving Petition David’s burden of proof as complainant.
In short, Mr. David has shown a primac facie case of his complaint due to admissions made by Sen. Poe in her VERIFIED ANSWER above quoted (supplied by Raissa) article. As stated, burden of evidence shifts from one party to the other. If Sen. Poe’s presents evidence that she is NBFC Mr. David has to show evidence that the evidence of Poe is not evidence of her being NBFC.
Besides the pointed out admissions, Sen. Poe went further to AVER on Paragraph 1.3. – “As a natural-born Filipino citizen, Respondent exercised rights and observed responsibilities appurtenant to such citizenship.” [Verified Answer]. Where did she based this from? No evidence! Now, she is and must present evidence on this allegation. She has incurred more burden of evidence [so to say] by such allegation.
Anyway, let us expect our SET and/or the courts to settle these issues: natural born citizen and the burden of proof and burden of evidence in proper settings acc to the PLEADINGS filed.
Thanks you to both of you ‘Parekoy’ and ‘parentony’.
I agree to Mssrs. Jones and Wigmore, authority on Evidence, which our courts has fondlingly followed in so many instances in Philippine cases.
Another thing, kung Matuid Na Daan, in the issue of natural born citizenship of Sen. Poe, pass and resolve the issue through the voice of the LAW and not by voice of the people. The people are bound by the LAW.
It DEPENDS . . . there are proper moments the voice of the people prevails and there are moments the provisions of the LAW must prevail against the voice of the people who approved the LAW.
These two (2) different ‘moments’ cannot be interchanged as whims or caprices one can have. Each is applied accordingly and properly without even mixing them up as it cannot be done like OIL and WATER.
Sen. Poe has ADMITTED certain crucial facts, one is she admitted she is a foundling. Unknown citizenship due to unknown identity of both parents – Father and Mother. In her VERIFIED ANSWER on Page
leona says
error…please disregard last paragraph. Thanks.
leona says
Link of Full text of Sen. Poe’s verified answer – Raissa’s and Rappler’s
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/104418-full-text-grace-poe-response-disqualification-case
Mel says
See or listen to SET hearing in relation to your ‘discovery’.
heh he heh
http://raissarobles.com/2015/09/18/pagtakbo-ni-senador-grace-poe-nang-walang-partido-mapanganib/comment-page-2/#comment-337839
Mel says
Has the Respondent party just suffered a Foot-in-mouth disease*? Or folly suffers from it?
After you’ve listened to the interpolation of Hon. Teresita J. Leonardo-de Castro to Atty Alexander J. Poblador, has the Respondent with her legal advisers in tow just answered the Petitioner’s complaint?
The onus is now on the Respondent side to provide legal/law proof, provision from the Constitution, that a foundling can be considered or given a Natural Born Citizen Status.
That was when Respondent Counsel dropped the DNA test ‘initiated’ by his client. In less than 11 days the SET will meet again, with out prejudice to the Respondent’s DNAbomb (as in photobomb).
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* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=foot-in-mouth+disease
Parekoy says
@leona,
You really strengthen my positions with your follow-ups and well written citations!
Salamat! 200%
leona says
Welcome Parekoy!
he he
baycas says
@leona (#120.3),
If the presumption* that “customary” international law is already incorporated in our laws AND that this presumption renders a presumption that foundlings are automatically, by right of nationality by birthplace, considered natural-born Philippine citizens when found…
Then the burden of proof to the contrary lies on Rizalito David.
However, it is NOT presumed but it is a fact that the specific DOMESTIC legislation in order to presume that foundlings are natural-born Filipinos by right of birthplace is still presently ABSENT. Besides, it is unconstitutional in the Philippines to grant nationality to any person by right of birthplace (except those with situation similar to Caram’s case).
If this is so, then Grace Poe must prove her claim that she is a natural-born citizen of our country.
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*Note that we are only signatory to the 1954 statelessness U.N. Convention that obligates us to follow our own nationality laws
baycas says
@leona,
Another thing is that Poe only presumes that the international law she prescribes to be applicable on her is “customary.”
She has to prove that it is really customary.
What is customary really is that in ASEAN countries, all of which are not signatory to the 1961 statelessness U.N. Convention, six (6) member States out of ten provided specific legislations to children born of unknown parents. Those member States, excluding the Philippines, protected the foundlings’ right to a nationality.
baycas says
@leona,
Without CLARITY, on the day the surveys were done…
We already have a PRESUMED President.
Without CLARITY, on May 9, 2016, when Grace Poe wins the Presidential race…
We shall have a PRESUMident.
leona says
baycas. . . I can honestly agree that – ‘Rizalito David’ has the duty to prove to the contrary of Sen. Poe’s proven ‘presumption.’
But so far, as I know or everyone knows, Sen. Poe’s ‘presumption’ in her AVERMENTS (Verified Answer to the Petition) has NOT YET been satisfied ‘with proof’ – I.e., she/he who asserts, not she/he denies, must prove. In Latin, it is “it incumbit probation qui dicit, non qui negat.
If DOMESTIC legislation is still ABSENT to grant nationaliity by BIRTHPLACE into a natural born citizen conceptual fact, no factual ‘presumption’ can be maintained by averring it as it – the LEGISLATION or law, is absent.
So, Mr. Rizalito David’s has no duty yet to disprove an unproved presumption by Sen. Poe’s claim or averments. Once there is, then that duty has to be made by Mr. David.
I based the above on the Rule (Rule 131 Burden of Proof and Presumptions) on Evidence, SEC. 1. “Burden of Proof. – Burden of proof is the duty of a party to present evidence on the facts in issue necessary to establish his claim or defense by the amount of evidence required by law.” Bold mine.
Applying the Rule above, Sen. Poe, as ‘a party,’ has ‘a duty,’ to present evidence on the facts necessary to establish HER DEFENSE by the amount of evidence required by law.
Let us go a bit further. . . this case of the Petition by Mr. David vs. Sen. Poe is, as I honestly can say, is covered in the case of U.S. vs. Tria 17 Phil.Reports, 303,306,397, our SC held:
“x x x that mere difficulty in discharging a burden of making proof shoud displace it; and as a matter of principle the difficulty only relieves the party having the burden of evidence from the necessity of creating positive conviction entrely by his own evidence so that, when when he produces such evidence as it is in his power to produce; its probative value is enhanced by the silence of his opponent. Bold mine again. [Tria was a criminal case]
to continue. . . the Court said: “The rule, however, is different when the subject of the negative averment [like Poe’s case ] does not constitute an essential of the offense, but is purely a matter of defense, in such case, the burden of proof is upon the defendant. x x x” Bold mine again.
The above ruling as cited is from the Book of Atty. Vicente J. Francisco, Rule of Court – Evidence Vol. VII Part II. [a Senator also at one time]. He comments based on the foregoing Tria case, that ‘Where the subject matter of a negative averment [is] a fact relied on by the accused as a justification, or excuse, relates to him personally or otherwise lies peculiarly within his knowledge, the general rule is that the burden of proof as to such averment or fact is on him.” Italic/Bold mine again.
Again, I agree with you, that Sen. Poe ‘presumes’ that Int’l Law is customary. She has to show proof that it exist and was in force indeed. . . ‘at the time of her birth.’
Sa huli, surveys are shifting presumptions. One cannot have a stable burden of proof or burden of evidence.
Maybe, only Poe can, with clarity, keep on presuming as Presurveydent.
tsk tsk Salamat.
leona says
Btw. . . Evidence Rules applies both to civil and criminal cases.
praetorius says
FWIW, this blog and most of the “armchair-jurists” regarding Poe’s Citizenship status has been debunked in Today’s opinion piece at the Inquirer.
Pickers1368 says
The problem with that opinion is if indeed Poe used her US Passport on Sept 2011 she could be in more trouble, I think.
Granting that the US Foreign Affairs Manual permits the use of American Passport pending the approval and issuance of CLN, that is hardly relevant insofar as the Philippine law is concerned because the SC has ruled inMaquiling vs. COMELEC, that the use of a foreign passport after reacquisition of natural-born Filipino citizen “recants the Oath of Renunciation required to qualify one to run for an elective position.” In short, when Poe used her US passport on September 2011 after she had already renounced her US citizenship on 20 October 2010 that enabled her to assume the MTRCB chair on 21 October 2010 she effectively disqualified herself from running for Senator in the 2013 election because of her dual citizenship.
That use of US passport on September 2011 also contradicted her Verified Statement submitted to SET and Poe’s pronouncement in the media that she never used her US passport after she had renounced her US citizenship whether it be Oct 20, 2010 or July 2011.
Rene-Ipil says
Atty. Tan wrote”
“If Poe traveled to the US in September 2011, US law explicitly required her to use her US passport despite her renunciation of citizenship, which was still being processed. She could not use her Philippine passport because the US could not issue her a visa, since it still recorded her as a US passport holder. Thus, Poe’s use of the US passport is consistent with her renunciation of US citizenship and in fact required by US law for renouncing citizens.”
This means that Poe used her US passport to satisfy “US law for renouncing citizens.” In other words Poe set aside Philippine law to satisfy US law requirements. But Philippine jurisprudence stressed that the subsequent use of US passport after renouncing US citizenship effectively rendered such renunciation invalid. And that the candidate for local position must make new renunciation of US citizenship.
Applied to Poe, she should have renounced AGAIN his US citizenship before filing her COC for senator as required by RA 9225.
Rene-Ipil says
Many are mesmerized by UP and Harvard graduate Oscar Tan.
Former FEU Dean Antonio Abad said to Ateneo Law School BAR reviewers:
“You are popular because of your school. In my case, FEU is so popular because of law graduates like me.” Followed by loud applaud from the reviewers.
Mel says
heh he heh.
nice one
Ariel Anthony Tizon says
Touche!
Mel says
for Politics and Citizenship Convenience sake.
Can she make another renunciation when she vacates her senate seat? This time being a ‘Filipino’?
Can she acquire again her US citizenship by virtue of her two sons being Americans? She’s used up her husband’s.
Mel says
correction –
her
two sonsson being an American?Pickers1368 says
“In short” s/b “In other words”
Parekoy says
Actually, Tan just gave the same opinion as PNoy, that let the voters decide on both issues of her citizenship and residency issues through condonation by election[@baycas].
I can understand PNoy’s lame excuse of Vox populi, vox dei, but a Harvard-educated lawyer like Oscar’s lament is so off-putting.
I have this uneasy feeling that Oscar as an insider in the SC knows the leanings of the justices might be unfavorable to Poe when even the Gloria-appointed Brion sides with Carpio. If I am Poe or Poe’s supporter, I will be worried too. No wonder the top guns like former SC Chief Justice Puno tried the subtle route of planting some seed of doubt of hinting that prejudging exist on Carpio’s statement that Poe is currently a naturalized citizen until she has proven her filiation thru DNA test.
Maybe Oscar Tan can share with us about his take on Vox populi, vox dei on why it is the best route to settle Poe’s woes…
Let us give him the privilege to grace us here of his wisdom.
balayang says
@Parekoy, baka CHIZdom ang ibigay sa iyo, instead of wisdom ☺
Parekoy says
Oscar is young and still learning to acquire wisdom. Regrettably, Harvard and UP don’t automatically confer you with those after graduation…
:)
Rasec3 says
I totally disagree with that Vox populi, let GP run for president?, sabi nga ni Dolphy ay madaling kumandidato, Dolphy’s worry is anong gagawing nya pag nanalo? Well no problem with GP dahil gagawin nya ang bagay na gustong gawin ng mga nakapaligid sa kanya..She is running for the highest position(Presidency) kaya dapat busisihin lahat ng legalities. Philippines has a kasumpa sumpang records of electing their leaders…we don’t want to lose hold of the gains we achieved from the last six years..Now I know why it’s Blue themed color on her announcement.. BLUE SEAL..
Parekoy says
Meron pa ba noong BLUE SEAL na sigarilyo?
Pag may Blue Seal, eh authentic na galing Tate, diba?
:)
vander says
well, vox poepuli, vox dei, the easiest way out, ala-poentio pilato…
baycas says
1/5
My comment posted on September 23, 2015 at 12:11 pm here (a reply to @Kalahari but relevant to lawyer Tan’s last sentence)
http://raissarobles.com/2015/09/18/pagtakbo-ni-senador-grace-poe-nang-walang-partido-mapanganib/comment-page-3/#comment-337291
Is still awaiting moderation.
I am re-submitting it in comments succeeding this for easy access by @raissa…
baycas says
2/5
Appeals to the ‘madding crowd’ (archaic too) are done when Constitutional issues cannot be overcome.
The recent SET hearing bolstered the UNHCR’s worry of statelessness happening even in modern times. The Philippines didn’t follow international conventions by instituting LEGAL REFORMS on our nationality laws.
Poe’s citizenship, as David’s lawyer opined, cannot and wouldn’t fit in the five (5) enumerated Philippine citizens in the 1935 Constitution. I’m afraid she’s stateless still…
baycas says
3/5
Unless…
The SC declares her to possess a nationality,
There is DNA conclusion of Filipino parentage, or
She files a naturalization process–nationality of her choice.
baycas says
(The gist of my comment 2/5: Stateless Poe needs to hurdle Constitutional issues because I believe the presumption of her natural-born presumption is non-existent that’s why the burden of proof lies on her.)
baycas says
4/5
Lawyer Tan’s last sentence:
baycas says
5/5
Related comment: http://raissarobles.com/2015/09/18/pagtakbo-ni-senador-grace-poe-nang-walang-partido-mapanganib/comment-page-2/#comment-337240
That will also lead to @Kalahari’s opinion on “vox populi, vox dei.”
Ancient Mariner says
Using common logic and commonsense Grace Poe was still a US citizen even after taking her oath of renunciation at MTRCB.
Grace Poe formally commenced the renunciation of citizenship process with the US Government by making the Oath of Renunciation of her US citizenship in front of the US Consul on July 12, 2011. She followed this by using her US passport in Sept, 2011. Obviously she believed that she was entitled to do so. Her renunciation of US citizenship was only finalized on Feb 3, 2012 until which time she remained a US citizen. Was her Oath of Renunciation annotated to the effect that she had yet to formally renounced her US citizenship, or, did she have somebody by her side at that time who was important enough to make this unnecessary? Or was it a simple case of deception? There was clearly maladministration of the law when Grace Poe took her oath at MTRCB.
Who in the Senate checked the bona fides of Grace Poe and how thoroughly was that done?
Why is the President of the Philippines suggesting that it is okay to get round Grace Poe’s many citizenship questions by ignoring the Constitution and relying on Fernando Poe’s fan base and memory to resolve the problem. Why? There must be more to this than meets the eye.
Mel says
@Ancient Mariner,
Magaling at maganda etong naisulat na opinyon mo.
Is PNoy tiresome of the brou-hah-hah that he seemed resigned to conspicuously allow G Poe’s open defiance of the Constitution and run as a candidate for 2016? Lately, Noy hasn’t been reading the news in detail, he got to being in the center of controversies. He seemed oblivious of others.
@Pickers1368 also brought to light a “SC has ruled inMaquiling vs. COMELEC, that the use of a foreign passport after reacquisition of natural-born Filipino citizen “recants the Oath of Renunciation required to qualify one to run for an elective position.”
Mel says
The writer started his piece with a startling ‘Haters of our favorite foundling, Sen. Grace Poe, …’.
For his info – I am not a hater of his favorite foundling.
I browsed over the rest of his. Left me not impressed.
chijap says
The problem with Oscar Tan’s logic is that he pointed out Grace admission that she knows she is still a US citizen. That is an acknowledgement. Wag na nya idaan sa technicality na problem lang yan with the US. Grace knows she’s still in a process.
By insisting that Grace followed what is her option and has no choice going to the US but to use her US passport is because in using a PH passport, she will not get a Visa since she is a US passport holder (the process is still ongoing) is the admission that she knows the process is not yet complete. In using the US passport and instead of waiting for (1) PH Passport (2) her delistment of being an American/invalidation of the US passport (3) getting a US visa stamped on her passport, Grace has all but acknowledge the process is ongoing.
One who has delikadeza would immediately surrender that passport to the US consulate in the PH and not intend on using it. If she had matters to resolve, then do it before running a public office (the MTRCB). The office can wait because there are others qualified. Its not like she was the only person who can run it.
I believe that Poe’s camp is running on the argument that being as long as the PH realm is concern, she is no longer an American by saying the Pledge of Allegience. Para bang, when Poe in 2004 become a US Citizen, he/she does not need to inform the PH di na ako Pinoy. But then we should ask Poe — did she still used a PH passport then or a US passport na.when she came back to the PH on the first trip after being US citizen? I wouldn’t know but chances are, it was the blue passport versus the maroon one.
That’s the point. When a Filipino becomes a Foreign National, the first thing Filipinos want (well besides for obvious reasons that the PH passport is “weaker” than their new National Passport) is that since “i’m a US citizen, i shall be using a US passport henceforth.”
That simple logic is known by most OFW who become Foreign Nationals.
The point that the tax filing being raised also shows Grace still acknowledge that the de-Americanization process is ongoing. Sa madaling salita, alam ni Grace di pa final yung processo. So she should have waited.
Bottomline, Grace should have “gotten her business in order” first before jumping into public office. What Grace did simply showed she was either/and/or using the US passport (as everyone who has logic would know she should have stopped using it if she’s claiming she’s only going to be Filipino henchforth) which is convenient that having to use a PH one and wait for it or is simply not using her head.
Either case, Grace should acknowledge that using the US passport was a sign she wasn’t ready to let go. Di sya nagantay sa tamang panahon as Lola Nidora keeps reminding people.
But more so, the issue Oscar did not understood is “allegience.” Once Grace has done so in 2004 as a US citizen, not in 1991 when she went to the US but i assumed became a Greencard holder, she should have acknowledge that she has changed the dynamics in her life. She has bid farewell to being a Filipino.
The Dual Citizenship did allow her to claim her Filipino citizenship back. That is the law and yes she can claim
The problem is delikadeza. Meron ba si Grace noon? considering di lang sya makalimutin, irresponsable pa sya sa mga personal matters nya, gusto nya tumakbo bilang Presidente?
Have a little shame. This is exactly the same as Erap, a convicted plunderer as pardoned, but ran nevertheless, lost but then ran again and won. No shame.
Grace and Erap has shows (with Oscar’s consent) that Filipino who have no shame should be allowed to do whatever they want, even if they are irresponsible. They are both disqualified yet to Oscar, its ok.
That is why this matter is important. Its a repetition.
Parekoy says
Harvard Street University, QC vs Harvard Univarsity, Cambridge, MA
An interesting debate in our moot court of public opinion, hosted by CPM!
:)
Maria Clara says
I think Grace Poe had a problem reacquiring her Filipino citizenship that’s why she had to use a new birth certificate in 2006 indicating that she is FPJ and Susan ‘s birth child.
moonie says
praetorius, raissa’s blog is widely read. many come here to steal ideals, harvest ideas, borrow and sometimes, advertise ideas. many ideas here got adapted, recycled and expounded in other blog sites. it’s safe to say that many commenters here are trendsetters.
Rene-Ipil says
Here is the latest SWS survey where Poe, Binay and Roxas are allegedly “statistically” tied:
http://mobile.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/23/15/poe-binay-roxas-neck-and-neck-12-man-race/
Rene-Ipil says
Based on the June Pulse Asia survey, Poe, Binay and Roxas had 30%, 24% and 10%, respectively. Meaning that Poe’s score decreased by 4%, while those of Binay and Roxas increased by 2% and 10%, respectively.
NHerrera says
Rene,
Been out of country for a vacation; busy with family things. Posted once on Parekoy’s note re SET and once at JoeAm’s re Wilfredo’s nice piece on the Aldub phenomenon. Now posting my third in reply to your comment.
Firstly, our concept of “bloat” in the top 3 names survey which resulted in P/B/R of 47/35/39 comes down to 29/22/24 using a divisor bloat factor of 1.6 (and numbers rounded). The BW imposed survey of one name from a provided list is 26/24/20. We see that the bloat-corrected numbers compare well with the one-name only result — that is, within statistical error based on respondents sample size of 1200!
Thus, I agree with your note of comparing PA one-name only June result with the BW-SWS one-name only Sep result — that is, the upward momentum of Roxas is definitely evident. I hope that the momentum is carried over in the succeeding surveys. Interesting will be the PA Sep survey result which I understand has not been published yet.
Clearpasig says
Kung namangha sa “pastillas” kay pacman pa kaya. Bukang kamay sa panandaliang saya, sukdulang namang parusa ang haharapin sa tuwi tuwina.
fed-up says
Off-topic
Martial Law: Two sides of a coin
Sen. Marcos: “What am I to say sorry about?”… “Will I say sorry for the thousands and thousands of kilometers [of roads] that were built? Will I say sorry for the agricultural policy that brought us to self-sufficiency in rice? Will I say sorry for the power generation? Will I say sorry for the highest literacy rate in Asia? What am I to say sorry about?”
http://www.rappler.com/nation/103772-bongbong-marcos-regime-no-apologies
Tomas Buddy III: “The World Bank-UN Office on Drugs and Crimes’ Stolen Asset Recovery Initiative estimated that Marcos purloined between $5 billion and $10 billion during his reign from 1966 to 1986. Let me quote from its report:
”This ill-gotten wealth was accumulated through six channels: Outright takeover of large private enterprises; creation of state-owned monopolies in vital sectors of the economy; awarding government loans to private individuals as fronts for Marcos or his cronies; direct raiding of the public treasury and government financial institutions; kickbacks and commissions from firms working in the Philippines; and, skimming off foreign aid and other forms of international assistance. The proceeds were laundered through the use of shell corporations, which invested the funds in real estate inside the United States, or by depositing the funds in various domestic and offshore banks under pseudonyms, in numbered accounts or accounts with code names.”
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/blogs/opinions/09/23/15/uninterred-mummified-marcos
Which side of the coin are you at?
raissa says
Marcos doesn’t want to say sorry because if he does, he will have to give up everything that is still out there, that his family can’t get their hands on. It all boils down to money.
Parekoy says
Alden Richards as Binay in Biopic?
I think CPM is a bit unfair and negligent of Binay nowadays. The favorite villain of CPM is overtaken by the mysterious Poe.
So as not to be perceived that we are biased in roasting our favorite “characters” with questionable background, I would like to resurrect him by sharing some new Binay hilarious infamy!
HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA!
HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA!
“Libre nga naman ang mangarap! “
HA HA HA HA!
If this Alden signs the contract being offered by Binay and so as Maine Mendoza to portray Elenita, then the film genre is no longer a Biopic but a Fictional Comedy!
HA HA HA HA!
But if Binay is serious in doing a more realistic representation of him in his Biopic, I suggest that he does need to look farther, for Kuhol, Mr. Shooli’s (Jun Urbano of “Mongolian Barbecue” fame) sidekick, is readily available!
The resemblance is impeccable and the moviegoers will be amazed and dumbfounded that they would think that Binay portrays himself in his Biopic!
The luscious full lips of Binay, the in color, the cheeks, the height, and the smile! Wow!
Click the link and see if indeed the resemblance is like a genuine imitation!
http://entertainment.inquirer.net/145792/mr-shooli-back-in-business
On the actress who will portray Elenita, why not consider Mahal?
To see some semblance, click:
http://www.pep.ph/news/47757/mahal-on-ex-boyfriend-jimboy-salazarrsquos-wedding-plans-with-his-male-lover-ldquowala-na-akong-pakialam-dunrdquo
*
So ayan Binay, successful ang pag-gamit mo sa AlDub para ka mapag-usapan ulit!
HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA!
HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA!
Parekoy
09-24-2015
Parekoy says
Just been proven that Binay indeed has a sick sense of humor!
For this stunt. a half point for Binay!
:)
Rase3 says
It will be a Blackbuster movie, opening on November 1st?????
YckiR says
Would have been tailor made for Chiquito but since he’s no longer of this world, you’r right @Parekoy, Kuhol would give justice in portraying Binay for realistic cinematic effects. :D
Parekoy says
Kissable lips…
:)
Victinluz says
FACTs ako @CPMERs …47% ni POE sila ang nagbigay 39% ni Roxas at 35% ni Binay sila din ang nagbigay .papaano iyan LALAGPAS sa 45% of 12000=540 ….kung 39% si Roxas and 35% si Binay……
It all BOOMERANG sa mga TAGA ROXAS…mag compute kayo HONESTLY….ZOOMING si POE sa SWS survey kung ililtaw nila lahat ng 1st preferrence ng mga surveyed Filiponos na 1200.
Victinluz says
PUMUNTA kayo sa mga lugar ng MAHIHIRAP at magtanung tanung kayo ….ayaw nila kay ROXAS ninyo at UULITIN ko between BINAY and ROXAS , people preferred BINAY ..iyan ang nakakaalarma at malarma kayong taga ROXAS. He he kahit marami kayong machineries o pera MATATALO pa ata kayo ni BINAY…sa LEYTE remember our Aquino is our President and you are a Rumualdez.. He he mamatay na lahat ng taga LEYTE noon sa gutum..DIVISION pa rin ang PINAPAIRAL ni ROXAS….BELASA na iyan kagaya ni KORINA he he..kakaunti lang ang boboto sa kanya..
Rasec3 says
@VICTIN, anu ga naman yung inaalburuto mo? survey na naman? sobra galit mo talaga kay Mar.. Marphobia?? si GP pa naman yung laging nasa una, baka si GP ang nag bayad sa SWS.. anyway this is the survey you and I can agree with… 1200 Filipino men were asked if they preferred Korina with a big thigh or Korina with a small thigh..5% say they want Korina with big thigh, 5% wants Korina with small thigh… well, not suprising 90%/the rest want something in between… kampai..
Victinluz says
He he no @Rasec …hindi galiti po , mga panlilinlang nila atin lang naman . .he he…
leona says
ha ha ha . . .! Rasec3!
. . . gulp gulp ! gulpOE!
Vhin AB says
@Victin, ako’y nagpatanung-tanong sa mga lugar na mahihirap. Ayaw nila kay Roxas. Ayaw rin nila kay Binay. Ayaw din nila kay Llamanzares. Baka si Duterte ang gusto. Sa Leyte na sinasabi mo ay tama ka, ayaw nga kay Roxas pero hindi malinaw kung si Grace ang gusto nila. Baka si Duterte ang gusto.
So far sabi sa paborito mong survey firm na SWS ay mukhang hindi bilasa si Roxas. In fact, umaangat na. Mabagal man at unti-unti ay tumataas pa rin. Mahaba pa ang tatakbuhin at baka makahabol pa kung 3 lang sila na maglalaban-laban. Pero huwag kang nerbyusin dahil nangunguna pa rin naman si Grace Poe-Llamanzares.
Vhin AB says
@Victin, nangunguna si Grace Llamanzares sabi ng SWS. Happy ka. Sabi mo pa nga hintayin ang susunod na survey dahil lalong lumalakas.
Heto na at lumabas galing ulit sa SWS. Nangunguna pa rin naman si GP. Pero bakit naiinis ka na sa SWS? Dahil ba si Roxas na sinasabi mo na bumabagsak ay umangat? Bigla na lang na sasabihing nabayaran ang SWS.
May tiwala ka lang ba sa SWS kapag mataas resulta ni Grace Llamanzares pero kapag tumaas din si Mar Roxas ay nabayaran na?
AASAHAN KO NA SA SUSUNOD NA MAGLABAS ULIT NG SURVEY ANG SWS AY HINDI MO NA ITO BIBIGYANG PANSIN KAHIT TUMAAS PA SI GRACE SA SURVEY DAHIL SABI MO NABABAYARAN ITO. Para tapos na ang isyu sa SWS.
Victinluz says
@VHIN AB… Sept. 2 to 5 , both surveys held with TWO QUESTIONs … 1.) ang unang ilinabas nila ay .. Give 3 best Filipinos to replace PNOY 1200 srveyed Fil. — noong ilinabas nila itong una maraming nagreklamo bakit 3 e ang vacant for P is only one…ang sagot ng SWS survey o ni LAROSA – wala pa naman daw ilinalabas na list of would be candidate ang COMELEC, kaya hindi sila pweding magtanung kung sinu ang pipiliin nila bilang P next 2016 . Ang linaw ito na sagot ni LAROSA. At hindi daw sila nagbigay ng listahan kung sinung tatlo ang pipiliin nila…….pero dito naglabas na sila ng % that goes to Poe, Roxas and Binay and latak latak to ETC. 45% of 1200 = 540 choiced only 1 best Filipino. Of that 45% , 47% for POE = 254 , 39% ( nagdagdag na sila here ) for Roxas =210 and 35% ( nagdagdag o sadyang dinagdagan nila si Binay here , kasi they think they had already fooled the Filipino people with SWS upgraded statistics naungusan na nila si Binay so , itong dagdag here ay para sa SUSUNUD na SURVEY ay mahahabul na nila si POE. ) = 189 … 254 + 210 + 189 = 653 ay mas sobra na ang layo na sa 45% na declared by SWS …noong kasalukuyan na maraming nagrereklmo sa SWS survey walang sinasabing , side by side or parallel survey of the same period with a different question.
2nd Question nila ngayon : na ilinabas lang kahapon ay : if ele tion will be held that day ,SWS give them 12 list na pamimiliannilan…. 1200 filipinos din daw ….magkaiba na Filipinos ito tiyak he he kahit same period of undertaking Sept. 2 to 5 din ..kasi …26 % nalang ang kay POE.. Instead of 47% ….
BIGLAAN mayroon palang parallel survey noon panahon din na iyon….HE HE sinong GINAGAGO nila mga Filipino…
Masarap ngayon pag ang isasagot na namn ni LAROSA same group Filipinos asked of the 1st and 2nd question…..
ALAM ninyo @CPMERs …kung mayroon talaga itong 2nd question which was taken on the same PERIOD then HIHINTAYIN nila ito bago ilabas ang result ng unang question… kasi mathematically raw TIED na ang TATLO … He he mabaho pa sa TAE ng ASO ang palusut ni SWS na binayaran ni ROXAS..
Vhin AB says
@Victin, salamat sa mahabang paliwang pero nais ko lamang na ulitin na ang SWS na hinahangaan mo at pinapalakpakan dahil mataas ang survey ni Grace Llamanzares ay SWS din na nagsasabing mataas pa rin si Grace pero umaangat si Mar Roxas. Ngayon ipinipilit mo na binayaran at inimpluwensyahan ang resulta bigla-bigla.
Iwasan mo na muna ang SWS bilang isang unsolicited advice hanggang sa mapanindigan mo kung ang SWS ba ay pinaniniwalaan o hindi. Mahirap yung pabagu-bago at lumalabo ang pundasyon ng argumento.
martial_law_baby says
@Victinluz , You can over analyzed all these survey numbers for all you want. Kahit gaano kataas pa abutin yang numero nang Diyos mong si Grace Poe na ampaw. The fact remains, until now hindi mo masabi kung bakit kailangan nating iboto si Grace Poe bukod sa walang katapusan mong argument na si Mar Roxas ay kulelat, unwinnable, asawa ni Korina, etc. etc. Kahit sa lahat ng makikita mong argument for Grace Poe, it’s all about her integrity daw , clean daw, honesty daw, malinis ang hangarin daw, etc. etc. Sa 100 Milyong Pilipino sya lang ba ang may ganuong katangian? The hard reality is we will be electing the highest official of the land. Tapos yun lang ang katangian ng kandidato mo? When do we up the ante or raise the bar in selecting our President? Pag pipili ka ba ng isang head ng isang kompanya, sasabihin mo bang pwede na yung marunong sumulat at magbasa, mukhang malinis naman ang hangarin nya? Ang problema sa ating mga Pilipino mahilig tayo sa pwede na yan. Pwede na ba ang pwede na yan? Yung mismong kamag anak ng paborito mong kandidato, whether they are related by blood or by law, mismo sya na ang nagsabi na hindi ready yung pinsan nya na idol mo. I am sure since mas marami silang panahon na magkasama, mas kilala nila ang isat isa, kaysa sa pagkakakilala natin sa kanila. Hindi lang iyon. May legal arguments din sa qualification ng idol mo. Ni hindi pa tayo umaabot sa usaping COMPETENCY ng kandidato mo, at ang mga taong nasa paligid nya. Pati ang pamilya nya questionable ang citizenship status. Kawawa naman yung US citizen na asawa nung idol mo. Hindi na ginamit ng asawa nya yung apelyido nya para makahamig ng boto, ngayon pati anak nyang lalaki Brian Poe na rin ang tawag at baka sakaling maka dali kay Jasmine Curtis. Ganoon ba ulit iyon, pwede na sila, dahil malinis ang hangarin nila? Isasalalay mo ba ang kinabukasan na mahal mong bansa sa pwede na?At huwag mo ring sabihing ina alipusta ko ang mga US citizen na may lahing Pilipino. Ang punto ko, kung saka sakali, tatawagin silang First Family. Karapat dapat lang na mas mataas ang antas ng pagkilatis at pamantayan natin sa kanila. Hindi pwede yung pwede na. Mukhang may pinag aralan ka naman eh, gamitin mo naman. Sinimplehan ko na ang paliwanag ko sayo. Sana maintindihan mo naman.
Victinluz says
FACTs ito @martial law baby …..figure na sila o SWS ang nagbigay ….
Simpleng Tambay sa Kanto says
@Victinluz – wala na naman po ba kayong maisasagot sa mga sinabi ni @martial law baby? At sana po ay huwag niyo rin maliitin ang kakayanan naming mga mahihirap. Simpleng tao lang kami at simple kung magisip pero meron din kaming paninindigan. Napakarami po sa amin Ang naghahangad ng maayos at tahimik na pamumuhay at mabigyan ng magandang kinabukasan ang aming mga anak. Ito po ay mangyayari lang kung tama ang mailuluklok sa liderato ng ating pamahalaan.
diego says
wag poe…yan poe ang pakiusap ko sa inyo.
wag nyo na poe patulan yang taga-Olongapoe.
ako poe nadala na rin…
sabi nga poe kay Andres Bonifacio…
sya ay atapang a tao.
Aputol a kamay, hindi atakbo.
Aputol a paa, hindi atakbo.
Apugot a ulo, hindi atakbo.
Kinausap ng taga-Olongapoe, atakbo atulin.
o dyoskong mahabagin…maawa poe kayo sa sarili nyo…
wag poe……LOL
praetorius says
all along, I thought I was alone :-)
most of the people here in Raissa’s blog are rabid die-hards of the Aquino admin, and subsequently, Roxas’ run for the top position.
Just like Aquino (or most Filipinos, in a way) choose to by myopic and a lot disconnected on what a ‘Roxas’ really is.
they will label you as having ‘Marphobia’ if you display a bit of disagreement with the usual chants.
Masyado yata nawili at naniwala sa publicity gimmicks?
I’m on the fence regarding kung sino iboboto ko (if I’ll vote) sa darating na eleksyon.
Panawagan ko lang, sa mga “maka-Roxas”, to PLEASE, do your own research kung anong klaseng pamumuno nagawa ng pamilya nila sa kanilang probinsya and not be clouded by his image riding a trisikad, nagmamando ng traffic, natumba sa motor, etc.
Rasec3 says
And why don’t you @ praetorius do your own research about Roxas family governing their province and show us the burden of proof, convince all the CPMers, I can assure you if Mar is in Grace’s shoe right now, It will be Mar’s the one getting the heat.. here are the reasons why I should not pick her as Pres. Neil, Brian, Uncle Sam, Chiz, Danding C.. Oh BTW that’s why they pick the BLUE themed color in her announcement for Pres… Yeah BLUE SEAL….
Vhin AB says
@Praetorius,
Why not give us an idea about Grace Llmanzares? Baka naman marami lang nabubulagan na CPMers at hindi lang ganap na kilala ang senadora?
Ako na ang magpapasimula about Grace at pakidugtungan mo na lang.
1. Legal na anak ni FPJ.
2. Dating Pilipino na naging Amerikana.
3. Dating Amerikana na naging Pilipino.
4. Naging Chairman ng MTRCB mula ng magbalik Pilipino
5. Senator of the Republic.
6. Nothing Follows
7. Nothing Follows
8. Nothing Follows
9. Nothing Follows
Tatakbo siyang pangulo ng bansa kaya kilalanin natin at sana madugtungan mo pa para maipamalita natin ang mga nagawa kung meron man. By the way, sabi ng pinsang buo niya na si Sheryl Cruz na hindi pa raw ito handa dahil kilalang-kilala niya ang kanyang pinsan dahil lumaki silang madalas magkasama.
moonie says
proponent si grace llamanzares sa FOI, pero, itong buong pinsan niyang si sheryl cruz is no longer allowed to say anything about grace. pinagbawalan sa kampo ni grace. hindi gusto ni grace na magkaruon tayo ng informed choice before voting, so voters beware.
moonie says
selective si grace as regards FOI, info that doesn’t portray her in good light will be suppressed, gagged and swept under the carpet.
YckiR says
ThrowBack Thursday!
Ang nakakatuwa, parang naalala ko bigla si Johnny de Leon with side kick Ngongo (RIP)
Johnny de Leon:Noong araw ganito sinasabi ng isang commenter (before the latest SWS survey)
September 12, 2015 at 6:27 am
@CPMERS … You SEE ,,, the more you HIT POE on whatever , foundling, not a natural born Filipino , had not complied the residency requirements , a TRAPO ,,a LIAR —– ALL BOOMERANGs against ROXAS so still more than majority of us Filipinos doesnt want HIM to be our President next 2016…. While POEs masa and elite voters KEEP on INCREASING… Let us Wait for the Next Surveys again @CPMERs…
Johnny de Leon:Pero ngayon daw ay iba na (After the survey)
September 22, 2015 at 3:53 am
THAT latest SWS SURVEY was TRENDING and UP GRADING the chamces of ROXAS , that is why Roxas came up with 39% . A PAID SURVEY favoring ROXAS .. SWS must released their preferrences from 1st , 2nd and 3rd prefference otherwise MALAKI ang GINASTOS ni ROXAS sa surving ito ng SWS.
Ngongo: Manaaam maamiisssssss…(Bataan Matamissss)
Parekoy says
Ah-it ah mo-pol, ah-net ah la-ya an…
Kahit sya bopol, honest na liar yan…
:)
Ang nah! Ah-wa ah, o-o ah a-o!
Pickers1368 says
Galing! Dapat ganyan, subtle.
Parekoy says
On Foundlings, Disobedience, on Surveys (Numbers), and Promise Land.
Let us segue a bit on some connections among Foundlings, Disobedience, on Surveys (Numbers), and Promise Land.
Moses is the most famous foundling found in the Old Testament, and so is Poe in the Philppine Traditional Political Arena.
Moses disobeyed and unfaithful to his God, and so is Poe disobeyed and unfaithful to the God in Malacañang for not running as VP of Roxas.
This is where Moses and Poe differs:
The stories in the Book of Numbers are narrative history of Moses journey to the promise land while Paid Political Surveys crunched and spit out Numbers which catapulted Poe’s Popularity to soaring height that pride overtook her decency and became overly ambitious that she believes the lie that she is the awaited Messiah waiting to be seated at the Land of Promise of Malacañang!
Parekoy
09-24-2015
Victinluz says
As per SWS and LAROSA 45% of 1200 choiced only one best Filipino to replaced PNOY.
45% x 1200 = 540
47% ( choiced POE ) x 540 = 254
39% ( choiced Roxas — it must be 10% only ) = 210
35% ( choiced Binay – it must be 10% also ) = 189
TOTAL ————————————–643 minus 540 = 103 choices ( DINAGDAG nila kay ROXAS at BINAY ) to make a DEAD HIT issue on the survey…
Victinluz says
Kung sa mga punpmili nga ng 1 to replaced PNOY ay 47% ang pinili ay si POE, must more doon sa 31% who choiced 2 best Filipinos and 17% who choiced 3 best Filipinos baka mas marami ang PUMILI kay POE.. Bit i divided equally to the three POE, ROXAS and Binay ..ang latak ay pinabayaan na natin he he.
Dito mo makikita na BINAYARAN lang ni ROXAS ang SWS o si LAROSA dahil may record sila ng who choiced only 1 best Filipino , pero sa preferrrence pag dalawa o tatlo ay hindi sila nag survey or HINIWALAY at kung kailan mayroon QUESTION sa ginawa nilang survey,, sa sila magbibigay ng % na dead hit daw ang laban…nge,, GINAGAWA NYO LANG TANGA ang mga MASANG FILIPINO he he.. ang mga SINUNGALING ay KAPATID ng MAGNANAKAW at KAPATID din NILA ang NAGBAYAD sa ng NAGSINUNGALING o di si ROXAS ang LANTARANG MAGNANAKAW.
vander says
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/106017-full-video-binay-roast-up-los-banos?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=referral&utm_medium=share_bar
vander says
intermission
http://www.philstar.com/news-feature/2015/09/16/1500461/binaybwisitsuplb-generates-stinging-remarks-about-binay
vander says
i found cian’s numbers exciting!
his presentation is interesting, not boring.
kudos @cian!
BFD says
Agree…. kudos….
Pickers1368 says
@Victinluz, from a finance perspective what is important is growth rate and trend. Numbers as they are, are meaningless similar to reading a financial statement sans comparative performance from previous years or against market peers.
So if these 3 are Funds, this is how they are viewed by the analysts.
Binay – Small growth with negative outlook
Poe – Large growth with negative outlook
Roxas – Large growth with positive outlook
Cast you lot but invest wisely.
Pickers1368 says
A QW was properly filed and the SET has taken jurisdiction already. Let the due process takes its course. Ideally, the members of the SET must be sequestered to complete incommunicado like a jury until they return a verdict. Meantime, COMELEC should be given notice that unless the SET resolves the petition, Poe’s COC cannot be acted upon. However, she must be allowed to continue to discharge her senatorial duties in the meantime.
it might sound tough but it is fair.
moonie says
tough love ang tawag nyan, you have to be cruel to be kind. and the lady who is a tramp understand that only too well. graduate yan ng political science at educated sa ibang bansa, runs her own business too, and has pecuniary interests in america, she knew all the vagaries in life. win some, lose some. better luck next time. that’s the good sport.