By Raïssa Robles
Writing directly to the Cyber Plaza Miranda community, Philippine state auditor Heidi Mendoza said she will continue to be a government witness in the cases against Vice President Jejomar Binay and his wife Elenita.
This is for “as long as I will receive the subpoena on time and hoping I will have the resources to get by,” Ms. Mendoza said in a comment she posted earlier this afternoon on this blog.
She wrote this in reaction to my post this morning which asked:
What will now happen to Mendoza’s testimony before the anti-graft court Sandiganbayan over the alleged rigged bidding of a P72 million furniture purchase by the Vice-President’s wife Elenita Binay while she was still mayor of Makati City? Has Mendoza finished testifying? Can she be available for a cross-examination, if necessary?
Ms. Mendoza thanked Cyber Plaza Miranda (CPM) and expressed the hope that CPM members “will give the same support to my team whom I am leaving behind by November 16.” CPM consists of Filipinos and foreigners across the globe who congregate on this site to argue, quarrel and discuss hot button issues.
Sorry, I was not able to see her comment earlier because I was chasing a deadline.
Just to correct my mistake – for which I apologize – Ms. Mendoza was finally confirmed by the Commission on Appointments in June 2014 after three years of delay and being blocked 14 times. Her appointment had a fixed tenure of up to February 2018.
Those who tried to block her appointment were Senators Vicente Sotto and Jinggoy Estrada and Congressman Luis Villafuerte. They are practically the same lawmakers who had blocked the CA confirmation of Interior and Local Governments Secretary Jesse Robredo until the day he died.
The ruling Liberal Party endorsed her appointment.
When Ms. Mendoza was finally confirmed, the CA posted this description of her on its website:
“In separate committee deliberations, Mendoza finally gained the confidence of the body over her fitness and capacity to perform her duties as audit commissioner for a term expiring on 02 February 2018. Sen. Teofisto “TG” Guingona III, head of the Commission’s constitutional commissions and offices committee, described Mendoza as a “familiar brave figure in congressional hearings and exposes on controversies involving the misuse of government funds, who does not back down in ferreting out the truth surrounding anomalies, even confronting powers that be amidst threats to her life and her family.” A former auditor of the COA for 20 years, who gained national attention after her revelations of supposed irregularities in the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), she was appointed to the commissioner’s post since March 2011 and got the Commission’s approval after being bypassed 14 times.”
You can read the entire piece by clicking here.
Even after she was confirmed, Vice-President Jejomar Binay’s congresswoman daughter Abigail complained against her saying, “It’s public knowledge she’s out to destroy my family.”
Interaksyon separately reported that a retired COA auditor and a lawyer were among those who had objected to her appointment as COA Commissioner. Arturo Besana, a retired COA auditor, called her “incompetent”, “untruthful” and an “opportunist” because “she is using her position for her own advantage especially in bringing herself to the good graces of [those in] power in this government.”
You can read the Interaksyon piece here.
Besana, who was implicated in the army irregularities but has since been cleared, also criticized her for using her own auditing “style”.
Apparently, though, she was just the kind of auditor the United Nations was looking for.
Here is Ms. Mendoza’s message in full below:
Raissa,
I intend to continue appearing before Sandiganbayan as a government witness as long as I will receive the subpoena on time and hoping I will have the resources to get by. I was informed also that oral deposition could also be possible. Thanks to you and your blog, I hope you will give the same support to my team whom I am leaving behind by Nov 16.
Hmmm. I know someone who will not be jumping with joy over this.
yvonne says
I need to recalibrate. The BBM trolls are all over the social media springing out like zombies from the graveyard!
NHerrera says
That is what truckloads of mullah can buy you. Recalibration is indeed urgently required.
duquemarino says
I’ll just wondering if the mullah they use to pay are old peso bills because by December 31, 2015 these old peso bills are demonitized already. The only way they can use that after 2015 is to exchange with new bills at the banks.
Pag may big volume of old bills coming out during the campaign period until elections, the bank would probably question where they’re coming from. Or rather, the bank should have a form filled-in under oath to trace the source.
Sino kaya sa mga kandidato ang may baul-baul na old peso bills?
duquemarino says
Correction -“I’m just wondering….”
chit navarro says
Kung totoo yong chismis na yong kaha de yero nong namatay na city engineer ng Makati (yong tiga Bikol) ay puno ng nasalansan na cash at pinaghatian ng mga Binay at yong biyuda niya, eh di si Binay ang may maraming cash…
Kasi kung ang Marcos family, na-confiscate naman yong mga cash na dala-dala nila sa Hawaii, di ba? Or perhaps they still have stash of cash around that they have not been able to put into the banking system…
leona says
duquemarino. . . BSP should have an immediate resolution/regulation that exceeding P1M from TODAY, old currencies must be supported with declaration under oath WHERE IT CAME FROM. Non-compliance NO EXCHANGE of the new currency.
That is the intent I think but the BSP. . . does it have such stop-gap for the HOLE?
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vander says
sana nga HOLE lang ang tatakpan.
e paano kung mala-bunganga ng kweba?
kung may 8-8, meron ding bodol-budol!..:)
One Question says
I saw an interesting comment on The Inquirer just now:
ChinaObserver • 20 minutes ago
After reading this article, I saw another violation of the law by Grace Poe. She said she bought a house in 2005, a year prior to her reacquisition of Filipino citizenship. Under our laws, a foreigner is only limited to 40% of property ownership (this is true to both private and commercial properties). We are beginning to see holes in her defense.
Ving C. says
Again, I am not a lawyer, but what I know is that Natural-Born Filipinos who have lost their Philippine Citizenship due to naturalization to a foreign country can still own property (land) in the Philippines provided said property is not does not exceed 5,000 square meters.
chit navarro says
“Ownership of land in the Philippines is highly-regulated with land ownership reserved for persons or entities considered Philippine nationals or Filipino citizens. For this purpose, a corporation owned 60% by Filipino citizens is treated as a Philippine national. Foreigners interested in acquiring land or real property through aggressive ownership structures must consider the provisions of the Philippines’ Anti-Dummy Law to determine how to proceed. A major restriction in the law is the restriction on the number of alien members on the Board of Directors of a landholding company which is limited to 40% alien participation. Another concern is the possible forfeiture of the property if the provisions of the law is breached.”
from the website of Ketterson & CArpo Consulting
Ving C. says
From: http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/buying-and-owning-property-in-the-philippines/
“I am a former natural-born Philippine citizen but have become a naturalized American citizen. Am I still allowed to own land in the Philippines?
Answer:
Yes. Any natural-born Philippine citizen who has lost his Philippine citizenship may still own private land in the Philippines up to a maximum area of 5,000 square meters in the case of rural land. In the case of married couples, the total area that both couples are allowed to purchase should not exceed the maximum area mentioned above.”
Ving C. says
Yes, former NBF can own a house and lot in the Philippines still:
From: http://www.philippineconsulate.com.au/owning-land-in-the-philippines.html
Owning Land in the Philippines
Former natural-born Filipinos can own property in the Philippines, subject to limitations prescribed by Philippine Republic Act 8179 (residential property up to 1000 square meters of urban land or one hectare of rural land) and Batas Pambansa 185 (business property 5000 square meters of urban land or three hectares of rural land).
Pickers1368 says
I believe NBFC who become naturalized citizen of other countries after 2003 NEVER lost their NBFC status.
RA 9225 made a distinction between those who had foreign citizenship prior to and post 2003. The former reacquires while the latter retains his/her NBFC status.
leona says
One Question. . . ‘Former’ Filipino citizens are allowed for res’l use not exceeding 1,000 sq.m. for a house & lot. For rural agri lands, not exceeding 1 hectare.
For ‘Non-Filipinos’ bawal to acquire lands, whether res’l or agri lands, including improvements.
Si GPOe. . . was she a ‘former Filipino’ when she was a US citizen in buying that house in Yr 2005?
‘Foundling’ yata siya sa ADMISSION niya.
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leona says
O.k. sa US if she bought that house there.
Ving C. says
You forgot, her husband is a DUAL citizen of USA & Philippines since birth. As such, the husband can own land in the Philippines with no restrictions attaching to such ownership. So even if Grace was still American in 2005, the property they bought (as married couple) could still be titled to her husband legally, with no laws violated.
Rene-Ipil says
Under Philippine laws GPL could not own real property in the Philippines in 2005. The land owned by his husband could not be conjugal property. GPL could not even inherit it from husband. The husband could dispose or sell the land without her consent. GPL had no legal right and interest whatsoever on the land owned by his husband. Meaning that Leona is right in saying that an alien like GPL in 2005 could not acquire land.
Ving C. says
Again, TECHNICALLY, GPL, by her lonesome, is not allowed to own property in 2005. I agree. But her husband could. And she and her husband and their children could reside there in the property owned by her legal husban, of course, goes without saying. So when she says she bought a house in 2005 to start residing in the Philippines in 2005, couldn’t she have meant her husband purchased a house in 2005 and they lived in that house? What’s illegal about that? And of course by 2006, when she had her dual citizenship already, she herself, if she so desired, could own land on her own.
The way I see it, is that all these are small technical matters. Imputing malice on such statements uttered by her, down to its minutest detail, when there is really no malice to begin with, and found to be accounted for within bounds of what is legal, is a grave mistake and just plain wicked on the accusers’ part. Just my humble opinion.
Rene-Ipil says
Yours is an opinion. Mine are facts. Let’s be clear about it. And I respect your right to form an opinion.
Ving C. says
@Rene-Ipil:
Oops, my bad.
I said GPL could not own land in 2005 being a naturalized Amercian still. But this is wrong because Philippine law sates that FORMER NBFC’s can own land subject to size restrictions. And yes, GPL was a former NBFC back in 2005 when she came home.
Nalito na rin ako, for a while there.
So let me correct my statement to:
EVEN in 2005, while still an American, and because GPL is former NBFC, she can own Philippine land by her lonesome, and those are the facts based on Philippine Law RA 8179:
“Owning Land in the Philippines
FORMER NATURAL-BORN FILIPINOS can own property in the Philippines, subject to limitations prescribed by Philippine Republic Act 8179 (residential property up to 1000 square meters of urban land or one hectare of rural land) and Batas Pambansa 185 (business property 5000 square meters of urban land or three hectares of rural land).”
source: http://www.philippineconsulate.com.au/owning-land-in-the-philippines.html
Ving C. says
@leona,
“Si GPOe. . . was she a ‘former Filipino’ when she was a US citizen in buying that house in Yr 2005?”
Yes. She started out her life as a NBFC. Then she became naturalized American. When she came home in 2005, her status was:
1) Naturalized American
2) Ex-NBFC (Former NBFC).
According to our law, ex-NBFC’s (former NBFC’s) can still own land in the Philippines, subject to size restrictions.
So yes, even though she was still American in 2005, GPL can buy a house and lot in the Phils. under her name because our law says she can.
raissa says
Hi guys,
My Akismet is again going whacky on me, moderating comments of old time commentators.
Pls. bear with me while I try to fix the problem.
NHerrera says
May be Akismet is going political on you and the old time commentators. Askimet has a politics leaning meter. If it goes considerably one way, it goes on automatic moderation mode.
JOKE ONLY. :-)
Ving C. says
We need more people in government like Heidi. She has proven herself to be a strong and moral person, deserving of the people’s trust and confidence. Good luck to her new post, and I hope when she returns to run for senator after her stint abroad, the people will overwhelmingly vote her in.
Kalahari says
CONFLICTING CASUALTY COUNTS
For super typhoon Lando, the NDRRC’s count is only 3 dead and 5 injured while Radio Station DZMM has 18 dead and several missing (7am broadcast today)
It’s very similar to mega typhoon Yolanda’s casualty counts. It seems the Palace is allergic to increasing casualties due to its usual prediction of zero casualty before the typhoon landed. PNoy should stop being prophetic and allow nature takes its course and instead attend to the needs of the rescue agencies and the countless victims.
Ancient Mariner says
I nearly agree with you. However there is a diiference between deaths occurring during Lando and those occurring as a consequence of Lando. Frequently the media use poetic licence in reporting these statistics.
vander says
dzmm is in competition with other networks.
and not limited at that.
JoeAm says
I’m reminded of the PhilStar headline that reported almost with glee that the Admin’s zero casualty count goal had failed because a tree fell on some poor man. With media accounts like that, one can understand the President getting a little up tight.
Mary says
Zero casualty count goal is next to impossible due to the innate stubbornness of some Filipinos, pa macho-effect, guarding their properties instead of their lives…Fishermen and homeward bound people intent on boarding wooden bancas in the midst of gale warning from weathermen and even from the President himself.
sup says
Was watching Headstart this morning, Dick Gordon..
He would not impeach Corona, not stop Gloria from leaving the country, let the people decide on Grace and said that the VP would defend him self at the right time?
He is running under UNA AND Grace?
Repeat ANC today 3.30
NHerrera says
Another one previously admired gone to the dogs of TRAPOElitics.
BFD says
If that is his stand, he’s going to get my vote
Ancient Mariner says
I notice the full stop is missing from the end of your comment perhaps some words of mitigation are missing?
vander says
the report of gordon this morning re:typhoon lando is very long.
complete with all stats.
hurray.
the red cross has done everything from south to north.
leaving nothing for the afp and govt to attend to.
oh in fairness at the end of all his blahblahblah, he also did mention the govt’s effort.
when all their supposed credits are washed down by his leadership and his very quick and efficient group encompassing all the affected areas of lando’s wrath. wow talaga.
congrats GORDO!!
sana dumami ang lahi mo.
T2 MAC says
What a crock of shit! No vote for this guy!
yvonne says
THE LIES, OR MISINFORMATION, OF GRACE POE LLAMANZARES
Third in a series of blog posts by Yvonne
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Grace Poe Llamanzares (GPL) is a foundling and she does not know her biological parents – she said so herself. She thinks that a foundling is a natural born Filipino citizen (NBFC); if the court agreed with her it would be fine with us – those of us who respect the laws.
But what GPL cannot do is claim that she is NBFC because both, or one, of her biological parents are/were Filipino citizens. She does not know them; to claim they are/were Filipino citizens is twisting the truth.
I care less if GPL is declared NBFC. That is past me now and probably for others as well. It is now for the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET), and eventually for the Supreme Court, to decide if she is NBFC. This blog post is not about that issue.
What I care more is if she is telling us the truth, or if she is peddling lies. I want to know the real Grace Poe Llamanzares who wants to be president. I want to know if she deserves to be elected president.
This is about the integrity, the character, and the moral compass of Grace Poe Llamanzares.
THE LIES ABOUT BEING BORN TO FILIPINO PARENTS
Sadly, I believe that GPL has been telling us lies, or misinformation. She perjured herself multiple times in sworn legal documents by lying about her birth and citizenship. Let me cite some examples:
THE CLAIM
COUNT 1: In her application for dual citizenship, GPL claimed that SHE WAS BORN TO FILIPINO PARENTS; thus she was presumed to be NBFC and was granted dual citizenship, or reacquisition of Filipino citizenship, on the basis of her wrongful claim of being born to Filipino parents.
In fact, GPL does not know her biological parents; she cannot truthfully claim that they are/were Filipino citizens.
COUNT 2: GPL repeated this lie (in Count 1) in her response to SET Case No. 001-15, Quo Warranto, on August 31, 2015. On page 9, item 1.19, she cited the Bureau of Immigration order on July 18, 2006 that reads in part:
“A careful review of the documents submitted in support of the instant petition indicate (sic) that the petitioner was a former citizen of the Republic of the Philippines BEING BORN TO FILIPINO PARENTS and is presumed to be a natural born Philippine citizen.” (Capitalization is mine.)
The word “and” in the preceding statement has only one meaning – that the presumption of her natural born Filipino citizenship is grounded on her false claim that her biological parents are/were Filipino citizens.
But GPL does not know her biological parents; she cannot truthfully claim that they are/were Filipino citizens. Yet she continues to peddle this lie. If she submitted documents to convince the Bureau of Immigration that her biological parents are/were Filipino citizens, the veracity of those documents is highly questionable.
COUNT 3: Based on her false representation before a US consular officer, the US government issued her Form DS-4083 on December 9, 2011 stating, in part, that “she acquired the nationality of (the) Republic of the Philippines BY VIRTUE OF BIRTH IN THE PHILIPPINES TO A PHILIPPINE CITIZEN PARENT.” (Capitalization is mine.)
This is a blatant lie.
THE TRUTH
GPL wrongfully declared multiple times under penalty of perjury, that she was born to Filipino parent/s, and it was on the basis of these misrepresentations that she is being presumed by others to be NBFC. It is on this basis that she got herself approved for dual-citizenship, and got qualified to run for the senate.
The truth is that GPL does not know her parents, much more their nationality. They could be Filipinos. But they could also be Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, European, or American citizens. Many of those nationals were residents in our country at the time of her birth. Or, her parents could be of Filipino descent but might have acquired foreign citizenship, nobody knows. Even GPL, herself, became a US citizen at one time when she renounced her Filipino citizenship.
Does Grace Poe Llamanzares have the integrity, the character, and the moral compass to be president?
THE LIES ABOUT HER RENUNCIATION OF US CITIZENSHIP
THE CLAIM
On page 10 of her Response to the Quo Warranto case before the SET, GPL declares:
‘1.22. On 6 October 2010, President Benigno S. Aquino III, appointed Respondent as Chairperson of the Movie and Television Review and Classification Board (“MTRCB”), a post which requires natural-born Filipino citizenship. Respondent did not accept the appointment immediately, because she was advised that, before assuming any appointive public office, Section 5(3), R.A. No. 9225 required her to: (a) take an Oath of Allegiance to the Republic of the Philippines; and (b) renounce her U.S.A. citizenship. She complied with both requirements before assuming her post as MTRCB Chairperson. ‘
‘1.23. Thus, on 20 October 2010, Respondent first executed before a notary public in Pasig City an “Affidavit of Renunciation of Allegiance to the United States of America and Renunciation of American Citizenship” of even date.’
THE TRUTH
The truth is that her Affidavit of Renunciation before a Philippine notary public has no legal effect, it is defective in form and substance, and it did not divest her of US citizenship. GPL was still a US citizen when she assumed the office of MTRCB chair, contrary to our law.
Notice that the Oath of Allegiance sworn to by GPL when she became dual-citizen is carefully worded and includes the following important declaration:
“I impose this obligation upon myself voluntarily WITHOUT MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION.” (Capitalization is mine.)
The inclusion of this exact wording in the Oath of Allegiance is specified in RA 9225.
Likewise, her Oath of Office as MTRCB chair is carefully worded and includes this important declaration:
“I impose this obligation upon myself voluntarily WITHOUT MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION.” (Capitalization is mine.)
GPL’s Affidavit of Renunciation does not include this important declaration; her affidavit defective in form and substance.
Indeed there were many indications that GPL had mental reservation about the renunciation of her US citizenship and her actions were clearly evasive of that renunciation.
Let us recall that GPL publicly expressed, as early as June 25, 2010, her willingness to accept an appointment to MTRCB chair. She had plenty of time to renounce her US citizenship but she executed her affidavit only on October 20, 2010. Clearly, GPL had mental reservation!
GPL knows she had to give up her US citizenship to accept the appointment. In her own words, “…kapag ikaw ay maninilbihan sa gobyerno, sa ano mang posisyon, kailangan ay isuko mo kung ano man ang naging isa pang citizenship mo.”
GPL executed the defective affidavit with a notary public on October 20, 2010 but did not follow through with a formal and legally binding renunciation with a US consul until July 12, 2011. Had she not planned on running for the senate she likely would not have followed through her renunciation with the US consulate. She would have gotten away serving as MTRCB chair while she was still a dual-citizen. Clearly, it was an act of evasion!
Indeed there are other indications that GPL does not always intend to take seriously the letter and the intent of her oaths or sworn declarations.
One example is her statement, on page 16 of her Response, which is very revealing of the integrity, the character and her moral compass:
On page 16 of her Response, item 2.12, she declared:
‘Section 2.12. The allegations in paragraphs 14 and 35 of the Petition, that Respondent “absolutely” and “entirely” “renounced and abjured” the Philippines as a country, is DENIED for being an erroneous legal conclusion. The truth is that Respondent took an oath of allegiance to the U.S.A. only as a necessary condition for her naturalization. After her naturalization, Respondent maintained her ties to the Philippines and visited the country frequently. She never foreclosed the possibility of one day returning to the Philippines, as indeed, she returned in 2005.’
Let me repeat what she said: “The truth is that Respondent (GPL) took an oath of allegiance to the U.S.A. only as a necessary condition for her naturalization.”
I was dumbfounded when I read that statement. Someone ought to bring this to the attention of US immigration authorities!
What GPL is saying is that she only renounced her Filipino citizenship because it is a necessary condition for her US naturalization, and nothing else. She is telling us that she did not really intend to renounce her Philippine citizenship, and that she only did it to meet the condition of her US naturalization. She did it only for convenience.
Really?
Using her logic, we can infer from her statement that she also did not want to renounce her US citizenship, that she did not really mean her words of renunciation, and that she just went through the exercise because it is a necessary condition for her continued appointment as MTRCB Chair, or to qualify for her senate candidacy. In fact, even after her renunciation she maintains her ties to the US, she continues to own residential properties in California, she maintains a US address, she continues to file taxes in the US, all of her immediate family members are still US citizens, and “she never foreclosed the possibility of one day returning to the US.”
On page 98 of her Response, item 4.107:
“4.107. Respondent was born in the Philippines in 1968 and was raised here by her Filipino parents. Having been raised a Filipina and with Filipino values, Respondent chose to be with her husband and to raise their children together. Filipina ideals likewise guided Respondent’s decision to follow her husband to the U.S.A. on 29 July 1991.”
Indeed GPL’s spouse and all her children maintain their US citizenship; they are still US citizens for a reason – someday, they will live again in the US, or for what use will that US citizenship be? And using her own words, “having been raised a Filipina and with Filipino values, (she will) chose to be with her husband and to raise their children together” if they decide to live in the US again.
Thus GPL still maintains her ties to the US by continuing to own residential properties in California, maintaining a US address, continuing to file taxes in the US, all of her immediate family members still maintaining US citizenship, would it be far-fetched to think that, in the future, she could renounce her Filipino citizenship again and re-acquire her US citizenship?
Is this not the reason why she purposely renounced her US citizenship but without declaring that it was done WITHOUT MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION?
One more thing, GPL professes to “having been raised a Filipina and with Filipino values” yet she was quick to drop her husband’s name “Llamanzares” in favor of the name “Poe” when it suited her political ambition. That is what a political chameleon does; not by someone with Filipino values!
What do these things reveal about her fitness to be president of the Philippines?
Let us continue to examine the declarations of GPL in her Response:
THE LIES
“4.95. At any rate, Respondent was, in fact, able to secure the U.S.A.’s approval of her renunciation of U.S.A. citizenship. Thus, as of 21 October 2010, she ceased to be a U.S.A. citizen even from the point of view of U.S.A. law.”
“4.95.2. On 9 December 2011, the U.S.A. Vice Consul issued to Respondent a Certificate of Loss of Nationality of the United States. Said Certificate attests that under U.S.A. laws, Respondent lost her U.S.A. citizenship effective 21 October 2010, which is when she had taken her oath of office as Chairperson of the MTRCB.”
THE TRUTH
GPL lost her US citizenship on July 12, 2011, not on October 21, 2010 as she wrongfully alleged in her Response.
What happened on October 21, 2010 was that she committed an expatriating act only. She still had to appear before, and be examined by, a US consul to attest that her expatriating act was done on her own free will with the intention of renouncing her US citizenship, and that she fully understand the legal ramifications of her actions.
Remember the Corona impeachment trial? Corona committed an impeachable act. He was considered impeached on the date the House of Representative made a decision to impeach him, not on the date he committed his impeachable act.
In like manner, GPL did not lose her US citizenship on the date she committed her expatriating act. She lost it on the date she met certain US legal requirements for that purpose. That date was on July 12, 2011. There is a strict process for that. I explained this in detail in my Post #2.
THE MISINFORMATION
On page 86 of her Response, item 4.95.3:
“4.95.3. Therefore, Respondent actually twice renounced her U.S.A. citizenship before she filed her COC for Senator on 2 October 2012.”
THE TRUTH
GPL was referring to her first renunciation before a Philippine notary public on October 20, 2010, and to her second renunciation before a US consul on July 12, 2011.
Her assertion that she renounced twice is an admission that her first renunciation is not legally binding and is defective in form and substance. GPL cannot renounce her US citizenship if she is no longer a US citizenship. What is there to renounce? You cannot give up something that you no longer have. It is as simple as that! This is explained in more details in my earlier blog post #2.
SOME FINAL THOUGHTS FOR BLOG POST #3
When Grace Poe Llamanzares renounced her US citizenship before a notary public, did she “ impose this obligation upon (herself) VOLUNTARILY WITHOUT MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION”?
Did she just renounce her US citizenship because it is a necessary condition for her appointment as MTRCB chair, or to qualify for the senate? In other words, would she have renounced if she were not appointed chair, or did not run for the senate?
GPL still has ties to the US. She continues to own residential properties in California, maintains a US address, continues to file taxes in the US, and all of her immediate family members are still US citizens – would it be far-fetched then to think that she could renounce her Filipino citizenship again and reacquire her US citizenship in the future?
What do these things reveal about the integrity, the character, and the moral compass of Grace Poe Llamanzares? Does she deserve to be elected president?
COMING UP NEXT; MY BLOG POST #4 ON GPL
kalakala says
ek kasi ARTISTA sa pelikulang Ang Balatkayo
mgl will continue the legacy of FPJ. legacy of producing and acting. ang akala nila makalusot sila kagaya ng ginagawa nila sa pelikulang may kasal kasalan,may pasumpa sumpa sa court room na episode. itong lahat na script ay puro kathang isip pero GINAWA ni mgl sa kanyang totoong buhay. kasi dalawang beses na syang nakalusot so she believes that 3 is a CHARM.
moonie says
aba, grace does not have to be president in order for her to continue her father’s legacy. she could have done that while still at mtrcb. also, binay, the ninong of her son, has been active in promoting fpj’s legacy, ensured fpj would not be forgotten, even showed fpj’s top grossing films day in and day out to the people of makati during the makati city hall siege.
if president, there are other pressing matters more important than fpj’s legacy, things like poverty reduction, education for all, free hospitalization, cheaper electricity, national security, controlling dengue, etd. fpj’s legacy may have to take back seat, it would be selfish for grace to put her father’s legacy above all else, diverting much needed fund for the purpose. mga artista sa pelikula, mga directors at movie houses lang ang kumikita, habang ang taumbayan ay ubod na naman ng hirap, feed only fictional hopes and dreams sa takilya.
I think, fpj’s adopted daughter is grossly misguided. she should not be president.
duquemarino says
@yvonne
I hope the SET will look at the documentary evidences objectively, specially the senator members, in deciding gpl’s case.
ozyboy says
Re: ” One more thing, GPL professes to “having been raised a Filipina and with Filipino values” yet she was quick to drop her husband’s name “Llamanzares” in favor of the name “Poe” when it suited her political ambition. That is what a political chameleon does; not by someone with Filipino values!”
Hillary Clinton bowed to public pressure and decided to use CLINTON and dropped maiden name RODHAM, when the Repubicans started questioning her. Hillary had a more plausible reason for adapting her maiden name – she was a woman of her times (LIBERATED). Yet Grace is peddling BIG LIE when, in reverting back to use of her maiden name POE, she says it’s too continue the legacy of her adoptive father.
Political chameleon, talaga. Madulas at mabilis magpalit ng kulay. DAPAT SILUIN.
T2 MAC says
This woman has a devilish tongue to snare the populace into her web of deception!
curveball says
Yvonne,
Salamat uli sa magandang paglalahad mo ng mga bagay bagay.
Panibagong kaalaman muli ito sa akin.
Ancient Mariner says
Yvonne, thank you for sumarising and putting into plain language the many discussions held on this blog oer the past months.
Bring on Part 4.
The writng must surely be on the wall for the shameless one.
NHerrera says
A GPL CLASSIC
A classic of the First Big Lie — being born to Filipino parents — this one WITH MENTAL RESERVATION AND WITH A PURPOSE OF EVASION needing more lies to cover up the original sin, er, the first big lie.
You can have her back, US, especially since you have the rest of her family. We do not need to feed and house American citizens at Malacanang. We would rather use the money to feed many of our very poor.
Thanks, yvonne. Eagerly awaiting for Post #4.
NHerrera says
A COMPLEMENTARY THOUGHT: A POLITICAL CALCULUS
If in fact GPL knows her biological parents without doubt and they are Filipinos, then she was not lying about being born to Filipino biological parents; and consequently that she is a NBFC. That is, no legal fiction need be appealed to.
But here is the political calculus on the DNA test that will settle the matter once and for all. If DNA reveals that she is in fact the daughter of F Marcos and R Sonora, and the revelation through the DNA test is made public the calculus rests on two scenarios:
– Will she win the Presidency after that revelation; or
– Will she lose the Presidency after that revelation because of the imponderables of politics and public perception difficult to assess.
My uncharitable self, considering my now-evolved-perception of the character of GPL, is that she will take the DNA test and the consequent revelation and consequences that follows, if the former scenario is assured.
However, if the perception of a lose is strong, as in the latter scenario, she will not risk this. The “ugly” story long kept via the foundling narrative and its ugly consequence is too much to risk when combined with a lose of the Presidency. So the defense will continue to be the legal-fiction approach; and the lies upon lies that that is based on.
vander says
“If DNA reveals that she is in fact the daughter of F Marcos and R Sonora, and the revelation through the DNA test is made public”
oh wow.
i will guess an outcome.
she will loose definitely as outrage shall pour.
will she be a certified liar then?
leona says
A perfectly LOGICAL findings indeed! How will POE (not ‘LLamanzares’ as she prefers the former name) or her counsel further REPLY to this? By saying ‘READ MY VERIFIED ANSWER’? It does not answer!
Logically, POE has ‘ties and lies’. . . so to say, a tie to US with a lie; a lie to tie to Philippines. Which ever which way the ‘two’ go or not go, it must GO TOGETHER – tie and lie OR lie and tie.
In short, POE lie tie. Or tie lie POE. Suma total READ MY VERITIED ANSWER! Or READ MY VERILIED ANSWER! Or make it Read my very LIEDTIED ANSWER.
I recommend yvonne as additional AMICUS CURAE at the SET whose members will now be TIED to this latest logical discovery on the LIED answer of POE. Thank you YVONNE.
I hint that POST #4 will be about Veridied Answer of POE.
More to RORO! No to poechizied. No to the dictatoried
hehehe
duquemarino says
@leona
POE lie tie is gpl’s type of POE LIE TIE KA!!!
leona says
duquemarino . . . now, GPOE is telling her counsel –
‘Ano ba yun ginawa mo Attorney! Na buking ako! ‘Kala ko makaka lusot. Naka bow-tie-up yun leeg ko!’
LIE TIE KApoe!
hehehe
netty says
Leona, if we aren’t confused enough, here’s another US link that would befuddle us more, but just to satisfy my curiuosity , are we assuming GPL’s parents are or were, alive or dead, legal or illegal residents of the PH, or doesn’t matter for we are not big into immigration status, being used only to accept falsified documents and hearsay s? This is a wake up call on the state of our legal records and immig. records that many OFW’S and people migrating use for personal docs, and just end up being jailed for erroneous docs either through intent or mistake. For taxation purposes and property acquisition and some other citizen recipient of Filipino benefits, I know one or parties have to be properly regarded as foreigners, natural born, natives or just fully abandoned notwithstanding citizenship of adoptive parents, or for the PH chaotic full of loopholes Constitution, everyone is just a FILIPINO per se.
Here’s a link for you and other immigration lawyers and consultants with specialization in the field to gather more interesting info how the west is also dealing with issues and legal questions about citizenship, there are many links also in the link for anybody’s perusal, goodluck.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/25/donald-trump/trump-many-scholars-say-anchor-babies-arent-covere/
leona says
‘Are we assuming: GPL’s parents are/were alive or dead’? – – – No.
. . . ‘illegal residents of the PH’? – – – – No.
– we are just honestly assuming her parents are ‘unknown’ just like GPL also in her Response.
You are right. . . there is a NEED to have Congress re-study to update/modernize the CIVIL REGISTRAR OFFICES all over the country. Many children/people are born WITHOUT credible records. The ‘confusion’ starts from there.
:-)
Ving C. says
“GPL lost her US citizenship on July 12, 2011, not on October 21, 2010 as she wrongfully alleged in her Response.”
The statement above is simply not accurate. You have mixed the Law on Renunciation of two countries to support your conclusion.
Obviously the Law on Renunciation of the Phils. and the USA are NOT the same. Even the process to renouncing are NOT the same for Phils. and the USA.
Philippine Law recognizes GPL renunciation as final and binding on October 21 2010.
USA Law recognized GPL renunciation as final and binding sometime in 2012.
So which process on renunciation do you think the Philippine gov’t should recognize? Our own or the USA’s?
It’s somewhat similar to the UN saying GMA’s human rights is being trampled on when she is denied bail, while Philippine Laws says her bail denial is in line with our laws. Which law do you think we should follow? The UN’s or the Philippines?
leona says
My opn and further comments:
R.A. No. 9225 is about: retention of Phil citizenship. That is all there is to it. The TITLE of this Act says: ‘This act shall be known as the “Citizenship retention and
Re-acquisition Act of 2002.’
The VERY important word “retention” or “re-acquisition” refers to ‘FILIPINO CITIZENSHIP. Sections 2 and 3 shows this. On SECTION 3 it says about taking the OATH OF ALLEGIANCE re-acquiring Philippine citizenship.
Said SECTION further says:
” Natural born citizens of the Philippines who, after the effectivity of this Act, become citizens of a foreign country shall retain their Philippine citizenship upon taking the aforesaid oath.”
Now, the word – ‘retain’ (idea of retention) is used in Section 3 above.
Is yvonne ‘mixing up’ the laws? Was she misled to as understood by some, like by Ving C here? Or is it a ‘mixed up’ first of ALL made by GPOE in her VERIFIED RESPONSE?
Whether we can accept there is a ‘mixed up’ or not, on which/when the effective dates of ‘RENUNCIATIONS’ or ‘REPATRIATION’ were made, is not the important issue as far as R.A. No. 9225 is concerned, because
this Act speaks of ‘retention’ or ‘re-acquisition’ of Philippine citizenship. GPOE did not speak the truth that SHE ‘retained’ her Philippine citizenship as claimed in Par. 4.96 saying in effect that Petitioner David has the burden of proof to prove that GPOE did not RE-ACQUIRE her natural-born Philippine citizenship. Did SHE have such natural-born Philippine citizenship when SHE repatriated and renounced twice? No. Why? Because she ADMITTED that she is a FOUNDLING with unknown parents, a response found in
Par. 1.1., admitting: ‘Respondent was born on 3 September 1968 in Jaro, Iloilo. Being a foundling, Respondent’s biological parents are unknown to her.’
Foundling with biological parents unknown to her. Can she avail of R.A. No. 9225 on ‘retention’ or ‘re-acquisition’ of citizenship, Philippine citizenship at that? No. Why? Because her biological parents are unknown, even to GPOE.
So, what citizenship was ‘retained’ or ‘re-acquired’ by GPOE? Nothing.
At most, her counsel wanted to ‘save’ her plight by suggesting a DNA test. But has there been a test submitted to the SET? I don’t know. Does anybody know?
To suggest a DNA test, from her counsel, only can logically mean, GPOE has an UNKNOWN status. No citizenship so far. Philppines citizenship or otherwise.
Can such MISSING PERSONAL STATUS cure her being elected Senator in any way, like UN Treaty or what? Definitely, under our Constitution and citizenship laws, the answer is clearly NO.
Can such same FACT -missing personal status, qualify her in her COC for President for the 2016 presidential elections? Same answer, NO.
GPOE never was able to ‘retain’ or ‘re-acquire’ any Philippine citizenship under R.A. No. 9225. Any High School student can give the same answer. And not a natural-born citizenship at that.
Is GPOE then entitled to be considered a ‘naturalized citizen’ as commented by J. Carpio of the SET? Answer would be: not even as such. It was just an obiter mixum by his Honor.
So, from that, GPOE has no citizenship status. Nada. Whoever did her such a dastardly act of leaving her at birth inside the Church, nag PORNADA talaga yun mga yan. Una siyang INIIWAN. Kakalungkot talaga. As a human being I have all my sympathy to her on this por-nada-han done to her.
But it may not be hopeless. Just present a reliable and credible DNA test to prove that she is a natural-born Filipino citizen under this circumstances.
Other than that, it will be the rule of law as will be applied by our Supreme Court in her cases soon at that. Again this is just my opn.
yvonne says
@Leona
There is no mix-up.
The matter of re-acquisition or retention of Philippine citizenship is a separate matter from that of a dual-citizen wanting to serve in the government, although both falls within RA 9225.
Those who wants to re-acquire or retain their Philippine citizenship need only to take an Oath of Allegiance to the Philippines. The Oath is very carefully worded (and this was a subject of intense discussions between the Philippine & U.S. governments) so that that the language of the oath does not renounce, expressly or impliedly, the U.S. citizenship. That is why RA 9225 is also known as the dual-citizenship act.
The landscape changes completely if a dual-citizen intends to serve in the government – the person has to give by his foreign citizenship completely and he has to possess Filipino citizenship only.
GPL renounced her US citizenship twice: the first was on October 21, 2010 before a Philippine notary public, and the second was on July 12, 2011 before a US consul.
The first renunciation on October 21, 2010 had no legal effect in so far as the US citizenship of GPL was concerned. She was then still a US citizen, she still had a US passport, and she was still free to live in the US as a citizen of that country if she wished to. She would have made a mockery of the spirit and intent of RA 9225.
The issue here is not about the two renunciations she performed. The real issue is her integrity, her character, and her moral compass. Does she respect and obey the spirit and the intent of our laws at all time? Or does she hold “mental reservation and purpose of evasion”?
leona says
‘You have mixed the Law on Renunciation of two countries to support your conclusion.’ says Ving C. at #39.8. I did not answer ‘Yes’ to my own question whether ‘yvonne’ did ‘mix up’ the law as commented by Ving C.
I agreed to your logical findings. What I commented at #39.8.1. is about R.A. No. 9225’s clear intent – ‘retention’ or ‘re-acquisition’ of Filipino citizenship which GPOE could not legally have done because GPOE is a ‘foundling’ with unknown parents, a FIRST FACT admitted which cannot be changed under R.A. No. 9225 unless proofs satisfactory are otherwise presented.
:-)
yvonne says
@Leona
You are absolutely correct. GPL could not have reacquired her Filipino citizenship under RA 9225 because that law applies only to natural born citizens.
But GPL circumvented the law by falsely claiming with the Bureau of Immigration that she was born to Filipino parents hence she is presumed to be a natural-born Filipino citizen. The decision of BI, read in part:
“A careful review of the documents submitted in support of the instant petition indicate (sic) that the petitioner was a former citizen of the Republic of the Philippines BEING BORN TO FILIPINO PARENTS and is presumed to be a natural born Philippine citizen.”
(The capitalization is mine.)
leona says
We are both right on that, yvonne
hehehe
Ving C. says
@leona, @yvonne
If you were Grace Poe, would you really consciously think of yourself as a NATURALIZED Filipino when you never ever went through the naturalization process, and you don’t even possess in your hands so called “naturalization” papers?
So I’m sure, growing up, GPL has always thought of herself as NBFC, without any malice, or evil intent on her part. And every government agency that she had to transact with to get and process various legal documents (Bureau of Immigration, Phil. Statistics Authority, Dept. of Foreign Affairs, etc. etc.) has had the chance at every transaction to scrutinize her claims of being an NBFC. And apprently in 47 years, not one gov’t agency has raised an alarm bell that she is not NBFC. And you probably experienced yourself how these government agencies can give you a hard time on the smallest of errors you make on those transactions with them.
So any “mistake” discovered now or judged contrary to what is claimed (ie. by a competent court of law) in GPL’s case is/was not maliciously intended in the first place, IMO.
My point, if it’s not yet clear, is that she applied for dual citizenship without any malice. That she really thought of herself as NBFC and therefore was eligible. And BI approved it, after scrutinizing all her submitted documents.
Ving C. says
“The issue here is not about the two renunciations she performed. The real issue is her integrity, her character, and her moral compass. Does she respect and obey the spirit and the intent of our laws at all time? Or does she hold “mental reservation and purpose of evasion”?”
If she was out to “evade” and “disrespect” the “spirit and the intent of Phil Laws”, then like I always maintain, she could have stopped at just one renunciation, the one she made in 2010.
But since she “respects” and does not want to “evade” the “spirit and intent of Phil Laws”, she knew she had to file the renunciation on the other side of the fence as well, and cut the umbilical cord permanently. Thus she performed the renunciation at the US Embassy which was granted with finality only on 2012.
Parang pag apply ng business permit yan eh. Madalas because of bureaucratic red tape, di agad lumalabas yung papeles mo. All you have is a claim stub to show to your customers that you are operating legally while your business permit is under process. And your customers accept this as prima facie evidence of your good faith and that you are operating your business legally and above-board.
Same with GPL, when she sat as MTRCB chair in 2010 after renouncing in front of a Philippine Notary Public, she was already immediately considered a Filipina in good faith assuming the duties of a Philippine government official (MTRCB chair), EVEN while her renunciation at the US Embassy was still pending because even though we are waiting for it to be finalized, we know it is being processed as it should be.
An Observer says
Parang sinasabi mo sa last paragraph ng comment mo na nong MTRCB chair in 2010 si MGL ay mayroon na siyang renounciation application sa US Embassy. Ang pagkakaalam ko ay nagsimula siyang mag-apply ng renounciation sa US embassy nong July 2011. Since walang legal value yong renounciation na ginawa niya in front of a Philippine Notary public, American citizen pa rin siya nong MTRCB chair siya at least until July 2011. Alam niya din na American citizen pa rin siya, kasi alam niya na ang America lang ang pwedeng mag take back ng kanyang american citizenship. Alam rin ni MGL ang batas sa dual citizen na hindi siya pwedeng tumanggap ng any government position hanggat hindi pa niya nare-renounce ang kanyang other citizenship. Ibig sabihin nito hindi siya honest. Nag file lang siya ng renunciation sa US embassy in preparation for her candidacy for senator kasi nga alam niya na US citizen pa rin siya.
Ving C. says
@An Observer:
“Parang sinasabi mo sa last paragraph ng comment mo na nong MTRCB chair in 2010 si MGL ay mayroon na siyang renounciation application sa US Embassy.”
Nope, I am implying no such thing. It is on record that she submitted her “Questionnaire Information for Determining Possible Loss of US Citizenship” on July 2011 at the US Embassy in Manila.
“Since walang legal value yong renounciation na ginawa niya in front of a Philippine Notary public, American citizen pa rin siya nong MTRCB chair siya at least until July 2011.”
Kanino walang legal value yung renunciation na ginawa niya in front of a Philippine Notary Public? As far as Philippines is concerned that’s all she had to do and she is considered renounced of her US Citizenship. So may legal value yun sa Pilipinas.
Sa USA naman, may value din yun, and I may go as far as to say that it may be the reason why the USA had no choice but to approve her renunciation — all because of that renunciation in front of a Philippine Notary Public, and succeeding action of sitting down as MTRCB chair, because under US Law, under provision of INA section 349 (a) (4):
“(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—”
“(4)
(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required;”
So you see, to both sides, that renunciation in front of a Philippine Notary Public has “value”.
Her filing of renunciation in July 2011 can now even be viewed a mere formality if you look at the above USA provision. And of course she needed to tie all loose ends attaching to such renunciation — like the payment of FINAL EXIT Tax owing to the US Gov’t, etc. etc. which takes time to calculate and prepare.
An Observer says
If I understood clearly the law, being a foundling, Grace is not a natural born Filipino citizen. Thus she cannot avail of R.A. 9225 because this act is for those who are natural born Filipino citizen. About the terms retention and re-acquisition of Filipino citizenship, the former applies to those who became citizens of other country after the law. While the term reacquisition applies to those who became citizens of other countries before RA 9225, and who totally lost their Filipino citizenship. While after the law, Filipinos can either retain or not their Filipino citizenship. Because some countries requires that they renounce their Filipino citizenship before they can be citizen of those countries. Meanwhile, in some countries, Filipinos are not required to renounce their original citizenship. I knew someone who became a citizen of other country, just recently, and what she needed to do only was to go to Phil Embassy to take oath of allegiance to retain her Filipino citizenship (with some required documents).
Vhin AB says
I’m also somewhat confused about your conclusion. If the US recognizes GPL as “still” a US Citizen, therefore, she has dual citizenship at that time that she became MTRCB chair and that’s the main point.
Let’s say that the Philippine government only followed its own law in this instance, STILL, how can she explain her other citizenship which is not allowed also by our law?
Kaya nga may proseso na dapat sundin. Our government respects another sovereign country’s laws as well so GPL should follow the whole process. Ang bottom line ay dalawa (2) ang citizenship niya sa panahon na nanumpa siya bilang MTRCB chair and she made a mistake (or lie) about it.
leona says
“1.23. Thus, on 20 October 2010, Respondent first executed before a notary public in Pasig City an “Affidavit of Renunciation of Allegiance to the United States of America and Renunciation of American Citizenship” of even date.’ ” – yvonne at #39.
“GPL lost her US citizenship on July 12, 2011, not on October 21, 2010 as she wrongfully alleged in her Response.” yvonne . . . continues.
What law . . . . US or Phil law, to which GPOE really lost her foreign citizenship – US at that? To accept the post of MTRCB, the ‘losing’ I repeat, the LOSING of (US) citizenship is the point of determination and NOT the repatriating of another (alleged) citizenship. Thus, yvonne says GPOE lost US citizenship on July 12, 2011 and NOT on Oct. 21, 2010. I am not confused on this.
One has to follow the Other: lose and acquire. It cannot be simultaneous. Or ‘acquire’ another before losing One. . . for that MTRCB post. It is GPOE and her COUNSEL who are CONFUSED.
Simple example: GPOE has 2 marbles: 1 white and 1 brown. The brown one is for R.A. No. 9225. She wants the brown marbe. But you tell her, give up first the white marble. So, she HAS to give up white marble on July 12, 2011 and you to give her RA 9225 for the brown marble. The LIE is GPOe got first the brown marble on Oct. 21, 2010 for the MTRCB and lost white marble much later. Wrong exchange or processes was done both under US and Phil laws!
Lose it first and get the other.
It cannot be: get first RA 9225 for the brown marble and then discard the white marble. it cannot be simultaneous as I pointed out.
Vhin AB. . . do not follow the ‘confusing LIE’ of GPOE and her counsel.
In short, yvonne’s logical analysis at #39 is correct. I again AGREE.
leona says
. . . actually it should be: ” ‘GPOE has this MARBLES situation’ . . . ‘1 white and 1 brown’. . .”
just making it more specific as an example.
leona says
Do anybody remember playing MARBLES long time ago? So many DAYAAN noon, ‘di ba?
hehehe
Ancient Mariner says
I think GPL has lost her marbles. ?
leona says
hahaha. . . that’s it ! Ancient…
yvonne says
Ganito na lang para madaling intindihin ng iba. Eto ang kwento ng buhay ni Amazing Grace.
Si Amazing Grace ay may dalawang boyfriends: si Juan Filipino at si Peter Amerikano. Alam ni Juan at Peter na dalawa sila sa buhay ni Grace.
GRACE: Gusto ko engage na tayo.
JUAN: Payag ako pero dapat makipagbreak ka muna kay Peter.
GRACE: O sige, break na kami ni Peter.
JUAN: Huwag mong sabihin sa akin yan. Kay Peter mo sabihin na break na kayo.
GRACE: Sa iyo ko na lang sasabihin. Huwag na kay Peter.
JUAN: Ano yan, kunya-kunyarian lang? Paano kundi ko maibigay lahat ng gusto mo, e di babalik ka lang kay Peter dahil di mo naman sinabihan na break na kayo!
GRACE: (Nasa isip lang) Baka lang makalusot.
leona says
hahaha
Peter & Mary!
Kasali si Juan
Makes it Merry!
hahaha
netty says
Leona, and CPMER’S a link to read and to think critically at your pleasure again on how to perfect U.S citizenship renunciations ff. steps and procedures.
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/12/how-to-renounce-your-us-citizenship-and.html
Ving C. says
@yvonne;
Eh panu kung sabihin ni Peter na ayaw niyang makipag-break kay Grace? Lalo na alam ni Peter dahilan kaya nakikipag-break si Grace eh para mapakasalan si Juan? Out of pride and spite, Peter does not give HIS consent to break up with Grace, kahit na may iba na rin naman siyang girlfriend. Anong gagawin ni Juan? Iwan na lang niya si Grace? Ganun? Ngek.
Anong klaseng lalaki yang si Juan? Di makatayo sa sarili niyang pang-unawa sa sitwasyon na kinalalagyan niya?
Anong klaseng lalaki yang si Juan? Walang tiwala sa salita ng future wife niya na nakipag-break na siya kay Peter at siya na talaga ang mahal ni Grace at handang pakasalan?
Anong klaseng lalaki yan si Juan? Kelangan pa niya pahintulot ng karibal niya para makapagdesisyon na si Grace ay nagsasabi ng totoo sa kanya?
Doesn’t look good for Juan’s character no?
Vhin AB says
@Ving C,
Your reason, “Eh panu kung sabihin ni Peter na ayaw niyang makipag-break kay Grace?”
Ang problema dito sa reasoning mo ay hindi pa nga sinabi ni Grace kay Peter so paano niya malalaman ang magiging reaction ni Peter? Kay Juan niya lang dineklara na break na sila. Kailangan munang gawin ni Grace ang tamang proseso nang pakikipag-break bago siya pumasok sa bagong relasyon na siyang nararapat ayon sa halimbawa na ibinigay ni Yvonne.
Parang ganito lang yan:
Grace: “Naku Juan hayaan na natin si Peter, basta nagmamahalan tayo ay okay na. Kapag nalaman niyang tayo na ay alam na niya ibig sabihin nun!”
Ving C. says
@Vhin AB:
Eh kung ikaw si Peter kahit di nakipagbreak sa yo formally si Grace, at nakita mong she’s getting engaged to Juan, kelangan pa bang umasa at umarte na parang walang ibig sabihin yon, na ikaw pa rin ang mahal ni Grace? You don’t have to be a Harvard graduate to know where Grace’s hear belongs to by then. ;)
Seriously, even the USA (Peter) knew that certain acts of GPL (Grace) are already tantamount to renunciation, thus the provision of INA section 349 (a) (4) states:
“(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—”
“(4)
(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath
, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required;”
Going back to the analogy of Grace, Juan and Peter:
But then of course, para lang may closure to all parties involved, Grace of course will have to tell Peter sooner or later, para din fair sa lahat.
Grace did just that. She first renounced in the Phils. (told Juan). She then renounced in the US Embassy (told Peter). All’s well, ends well.
Vhin AB says
@Ving C.:
Sana nga ang pag renounce ay kagaya ng halimbawa ni Yvonne. Baka kahit di na ng sabihin ni Grace kay Peter o taguan lang ay okay na. Kaso HINDI.
Yes, nagrenounce si GPL ng American citizenship niya kaso nga ang punto dito ay mali ang proseso niya. Pumapatak tuloy na 2 ang citizenship niya sa panahon na nanungkulan siya which is prohibited by our laws, gaya ng 2 nobyo sa halimbawa.
Naiintindihan ko yung sinasabi mo at ng iba na sa puso nila ay nagrenounce at ginawa ni GPL ang nararapat sa tingin nito.., kaso may tamang proseso na dapat sundin. Kapag hindi sumusunod sa proseso ay di ba dapat na nagagalit tayo dahil feeling nga natin ay pinaiikot ng mga privileged people ang batas na ninanais nating sundin ng lahat, mayaman man o mahirap, maimpluwensiya man o hindi.
Ving C. says
Well to me, she followed the Philippine Laws on renunciation to a “T”, and we cannot even fault her if she stopped at that. The fact that she also followed it up with a renunciation the way USA Law says it should be only shows that GPL is serious and sincere in total renunciation.
What if, for example, USA and Philippine Law on renunciation contradicted each other? Which should the Philippine recognize? If you follow one country’s law, you break the other? So which do you follow? Philippine laws for when you are in the Philippines of course, USA laws for when you are in the USA, there are no two ways about it. This is an extreme example, but I hope you got the point?
Ving C. says
In Micronesia, marijuana use is LEGAL. Any person there can smoke marijuana without going to jail. The US, as we know, does not condone marijuana use.
Should Micronesia authorities now jail American tourists in Micronesia who are caught smoking Marijuana in their territory because Amercian law says it’s illegal?
GPL renounced as per what Philippine laws prescribed her to do. She followed that up with renouncing at the US Embassy because that is the “intent” of said Philippine Law. So her heart is in the right place.
Nung umupo siya as MTRCB chair, sa mata ng Pilipinas eh isa na lang ang citizenship niya. That is not “lying”. Ang “lying” is IF she did not follow that up with a renunciation at the US Embassy.
Let’s not throw technicalities at her and because of those technicalities we judge her a liar and a fraud, because if you look at the BIG picture, she did all the right things not only following the letter of the PHIL law, but also the intent of the PHIL law.
Rene-Ipil says
Ving,
” she did all the right things”
Did not GPL lie when she swore that she was born to Susan?
Ving C. says
So what must a foundling answer when asked: who is your mother?
I assume that’s the circumstance to which she answered: Susan Roces?
Rene-Ipil says
Just tell the truth. Born to “I do not know” or “not applicable.”
Ving C. says
Not sure how to answer you here, but you seem to be pointing out to a specific situation / questionnaire / context. Do you have links we can both reference to move forward?
You see, the way most government forms would have you answer questions about your parents is that parents are defined to be EVEN those who legally adopted you. So as far as GPL is concerned, her parents are Susan Roces and FPJ, because they legally adopted her, and they are the only parents she knew / knows. So any questions about her parents in any gov’t forms would mean them specifically. That is NOT lying at all.
Rene-Ipil says
GPL lied, and she lied deliberately. In her petition for reacquisition of NBFC which is Annex 7 of her verified answer, GPL declared under oath that she was a former NBFC because her biological mother was Susan. It was not only a material data but indeed the primary basis of her petition.
The petition was granted simply because GPL was presumed NBFC based on her FALSE declaration that she was “BORN TO” Susan. It was a specific data about her biological mother. It was not a general question on who was her adoptive parent, legal guardian or finder.
Am reminded of Susan’s advocacy.
Ang sinungaling ay kapatid ng magnanakaw.”
Ving C. says
@RENE-IPIL,
Can’t find actual copy of Annex 7, or a copy / template of the form in blank.
What I did find is Poe’s answer / reply to the accusation that she “LIED”, in her answers there. Posting it here verbatim, ‘coz I couldn’t have said it better myself:
“2.21.1. The truth is that Respondent’s petition to reacquire natural-born
citizenship was a standard boiler plate form from the B.I., with several blanks that she simply had to fill in. This is evident from an examination of the petition itself. Respondent had no hand in preparing the form, and she did not think that she could modify its structure.
2.21.2. By writing the names of her adoptive parents in the blanks in the form reserved for the names of the applicant’s parents, Respondent was guided by the phrase “Father’s name’ and “Mother’s name” appearing noticeably underneath these blanks. She never intended to convey that she was, in fact, “born … to” her adoptive parents. The truth is that the act of filling in the names of her adoptive parents was instinctive for Respondent, as in fact she has known no other parents but them. Respondent simply wanted to inform the B.I. who she recognized as her parents; a recognition that is indeed reflected in her Certificate of Live Birth from the National Statistics Office (“NSO”) itself. Indeed, among the effects of adoption are: (a) to sever all legal ties between the biological parent(s) and the adoptee; and (b) to deem the adoptee as a legitimate child of the adopters’
2.21.3. Moreover, the word “to” does not immediately follow after the word “born” so as to leave no doubt in the mind of the applicant that she must indicate the names of her biological parents (and no other). The word “born’ is followed by a space for the “date of birth,” then by a space for the “place of birth,’ and then by the word “to” (which happens to appear on the next line immediately before the names of the applicant’s parents). 2.21.4. To reiterate, under R.A. No. 9225 and B.I. Memorandum Circular No. AFF-05-002, Respondent was not required to prove that she used to be a natural-born citizen of the Philippines. Respondent did not have to prove that she was, in fact. “born … to” Filipino parents. Respondent’s natural-born Filipino citizenship was presumed from her “proof’ of Philippine citizenship, i.e., her “Old Philippine Passport.”
2.21.5. At the end of the day, even if Respondent does not know who she was “born to,” what was material to Respondent’s application under R.A. No. 9225 and B.I. Memorandum Circular No. AFF-05-002 was that she was in fact a former natural-born Filipino. As discussed in the “averments” and “defenses” in this Answer, she was.”
yvonne says
@Ving C.
A citizenship can only be taken away by the government of the country granting that citizenship. The U.S. government, or the Chinese government, or any other government for that matter, cannot take away your Filipino citizenship – only the Philippine government can.
In like manner, GPL’s U.S. citizenship cannot be taken away by the Philippine government, only the US government can do that. And the US government has a very strict protocol on when a person is considered to have lost his US citizenship – and that date is July 12, 2011. You can read more about this, and the U.S. protocol in my blog post #2.
Even GPL herself recognizes this fact. In her federal Form DS-4079 (Questionnaire Information for Determining Possible Loss of U.S. Citizenship) she acknowledged that she was filing Form DS-4079 “to relinquish my US citizenship in order to be compliant to both US and RP laws.” In other words, she acknowledged that she would not be compliant with RP laws if she did not do that.
An Observer says
In other words, GPL was still a dual citizen when she accepted the MTRCB position. This is assuming that she is a NBFC. Meanwhile, GPL being an educated person, she should not have accepted the MTRCB position since she herself knew that she is still an American. And no doubt she also knew that taking an oath before a Philippine notary public does not take away her American citizenship, only America can do that. How do we call a lady like GPL?
leona says
Gara Pa Lan . . . An Observer…
hehehe
Ving C. says
@yvonne,
I understand your point. But then Philippine Law says that if GPL wanted to serve as a government official all she had to do was renounce her Amercian Citizenship in front of a Philippine Public Officer (Notary Public). That’s it. Period. End of Story, as far as Philippines is concerned.
If the Philippines wanted more, the Philippine Law should have stated that the renunciation would only be complete, full, and accepted IF:
1) the renunciant would also follow and comply with the law on renunciation of the country she is renouncing
and
2) only after the other country grants said renunciation fully, and completely.
Maybe it’s time to ammend Philippine Law?
Ving C. says
Compliant to both the US and RP laws does not mean that RP needs US approval to be able to implement its laws..
She complied with RP laws on her first renunciation in 2010. She was then complying with US Laws in her renunciation granted in 2012.
Consider this: Does America ask an applicant who wishes to be naturalized Amercian to first secure an approved renunciation from their home country before they can be granted American citizenship?
Say a Cuban Green Card Holder should first renounce his Cuban Citizenship and be APPROVED by the Cuban Govt before the USA can grant him American Citizenship when he applies for it after 5 years of permanent residency in the USA?
Do you see why this is not done by the USA? What do they care about Cuban laws? Especially since Cuba is an enemy country? I hope you get my point?
Ving C. says
@yvonne:
Compliant to both the US and RP laws does not mean that RP needs US approval to be able to implement its laws..
She complied with RP laws on her first renunciation in 2010. She was then complying with US Laws in her renunciation granted in 2012.
Consider this: Does America ask an applicant who wishes to be naturalized Amercian to first secure an approved renunciation from their home country before they can be granted American citizenship?
Say a Cuban Green Card Holder should first renounce his Cuban Citizenship and be APPROVED by the Cuban Govt before the USA can grant him American Citizenship when he applies for it after 5 years of permanent residency in the USA?
Do you see why this is not done by the USA? What do they care about Cuban laws? Especially since Cuba is an enemy country? I hope you get my point?
vander says
kudos @moonie,
more infos again from you. thanks!
@leona,
hehehe, naalala ko tuloy ung kanta ni yoyoy.
poeng chuwalai
chi chi ri kong koila
a butse kik ik-ik-ik
leona says
Yoyoy Villame’s SONGS live on!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUpx2aDYUQI
. . . and dance with it!
One Question says
I have a question that has been one my mind for a while.
1) If there is a just-born infant found in Manila Cathedral today but it is white with blue eyes (100% Caucasian descent) and its parents are unknown, would the infant be considered a natural-born Filipino? For example, an American couple may have abandoned it after giving birth because they don’t want to take care of it.
What does the law say on this case?
2) People seem to just ASSUME that Poe was born to “Filipino” parents because she looks Filipino. But what if her natural parents are American citizens born in the U.S. but visiting the Philippines when they had Poe and just decided to abandon her in the Philippines because they didn’t want to take care of her?
Can someone answer these questions from a legal, not personal, point of view?
Thank you.
raissa says
Hello, @baycas and @yvonne and all you guys, what say you?
parengtony says
Article 2
A foundling found in the territory of a Contracting State shall, in the absence
of proof to the contrary, be considered to have been born within that territory
of parents possessing the nationality of that State.
– from Text of the 1961 Convention
on the Reduction of Statelessness (link: http://www.unhcr.org/3bbb286d8.html)
Based on my layman’s understanding of the relevant provision cited above, the answer to both questions is clearly in favor of Grace Poe being a natural born Filipino citizen.
And clearly, the relevant provision is not invoking the principle of jus sanguini. On the contrary, the provision is invoking jus soli as defined by the Philippine constitution.
Thirdly, the phrase “, in the absence of proof to the contrary,” dictates that the burden of proof is not on the foundling but on the accuser.
Ancient Mariner says
@parentony. You seem to be very short on memory or very high on optimism.
You know that the 1961 Convention on the Reuction of Statelessness is totally irrelevant under Philippine law.
Put your drum back in the cupboard.
parengtony says
1. ” An ad hominem argument is one that relies on personal attacks rather than reason or substance.
2. Both CJ Art Panganiban and Senior Associate Justice Carpio have stated that the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness is not “totally irrelevant under Philippine law”.
3. Wikipedia:
Customary international law are those aspects of international law that derive from custom. Along with general principles of law and treaties, custom is considered by the International Court of Justice, jurists, the United Nations, and its member states to be among the primary sources of international law.
The vast majority of the world’s governments accept in principle the existence of customary international law, although there are many differing opinions as to what rules are contained in it.
Ancient Mariner says
@parengtony. I respond to you each paragraph in turn.
1. I was not presenting an argument I was stating a fact. In this regard I refer you to the blog, Pagtakbo ni Senador Grace Poe nang walang partido, Mapanganib, dated Septermber 2015. In particular comment, 144 Baycas says, which is addressed to you.
2. It would be appropriate if you were to include the statements of ex-CJ Panganiban and Senior Associate Justice Carpio in support of your comment, or at least a link to them.
3.It would appear that “custom” does not play a part in the interpretation of the Philippine Constitution. Perhaps you can provide a reference which disproves this? The problem being that what is customary for some is not customary for others. For instance it is customary for Saudi Arabia to cut of the hand of a convicted thief. If this were the case in the Philippines we would surely have a lot of one handed politicians and ex politicians.
Wikipedia, whilst being a useful reference cannot be considered to provide, cast in stone, information due to the ability for the content to be modified by persons other than the writer.
Ancient Mariner says
Dated September 18, 2015.
yvonne says
@parengtony
The UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness (UNCRS) in its most liberal or favorable interpretation will only grant GPL a naturalized citizen status, not a natural-born citizenship. You have to consider the text on its entirely, not only some selective sections.
First of all, the Philippines is not a Contacting State. But let us assume the Philippines is.
But there is also a provision that the UNCRS that the Contracting State shall establish an agency that will help a person to apply for the benefit of citizenship and obtain approval.
There is also an additional provision that a nationality granted under the provision of UNCRS may be deprived where the nationality has been obtained by misrepresentation or fraud.
In other words, there is a need to make an application for the benefit of citizenship under UNCRS, and there is a review and approval process.
Thus, a citizenship obtained under the provisions of UNCRS will be of a naturalized citizenship by constitutional definition because the person has to perform an act to acquire or perfect his citizenship.
Rene-Ipil says
Because GPL is a foundling, she is PRESUMED NBFC.
Because many children are of known Filipino mother and unknown father, they are LEGALLY DECLARED NON-NBFC.
Can somebody point out any law, rule, jurisprudence, custom, practice or policy that reconciles and harmonizes such scenarios?
Mary says
We have countrymen who have Asian features with chinita eyes, aquiline noses, and fair complexion, so do we assume then that a foundling with those features have parents who are natural born Filipinos? What if the parents are genuine Chinese (GI as in genuine intsik, not Fili-Chinese) from the mainland who are escaping the one child policy of their country? What if a foundling have brown skin, rounded nose and deep-set eyes, some Filipinos have those features, what if the said foundling has Indian or Malay parents who decided to abandon them?
In short, even foundlings have the same features as we have, we still cannot presume that the parents who abandoned them are natural born Filipino citizens, being born here does not make them Filipinos as we are not among the few countries, (US, etc) who are adopting the jus soli doctrine in determining citizenship.
Am not a lawyer but that is how I understand it. I’d like to learn more from experts here.
Mary says
So if those foundlings who have the same features as we natural born Filipinos have cannot be presumed NBFC, much more those with Caucasian features (white skin, blue, grey or green eyes and with blond or auburn hair cannot be presumed NBFC.
After a legally acceptable DNA matching when they traced their real parentage, if they took after their fathers who are Caucasian, but has natural born Filipino citizen mothers, they have to elect their citizenship when they reach legal age. So many ifs but it is possible. Based on the constitution, they can be considered NBFC, so do we have a possibility that we can have a blue-eyed blond President of the Philippines?
chit navarro says
From the column of Ambassador Jaime S. Bautista,
Manila Times Sep. 28, 2015
The 1987 Philippine Constitution, like the previous 1935 and 1973 Constitutions, observes the principle of jus sanguinis and distinguishes between natural born citizens (born of Filipino parents) and naturalized citizens.
The Philippine Constitutions DO NOT contain any provision expressly granting Filipino citizenship to foundlings, or those whose parents are unknown.
***********************************
Jus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a principle of nationality law by which citizenship is NOT determined by place of birth but by having one or both parents who are citizens of the state. Children at birth may automatically be citizens if their parents have state citizenship or national identities of ethnic, cultural or other origins.
Therefore, if our constitution observes the principle mof JUS SANGUINIS, the foundling in this instance (comment # 38) is NOT A NATURAL BORN FILIPINO.
Kalahari says
Kit Tatad maintained that Poe is not an NBFC as she has “unknown parents” and that she failed to comply with the 10-year residency requirement pursuant to Art. 7, Section 2 of the 1987 Constitution
leona says
YES! Natural born Filipino blue-eyed – under the UN Treaty!
If GREEN EYED, YES again! If PINK EYES, unknown parents must been in hang-over at the time of birth.
If DEEP BLACK EYED, must be African descent but YES again.
The point is if ALWAYS with unknown parents, the FOUNDLING is a big LIE to be a natural born Filipino that cannot credibly TIE up with Philippine laws.
hehehe
Ving C. says
I’m not a lawyer, but from what I’ve read and heard, since we don’t have any specific law about such cases, we follow international customary law which presumes that a foundling’s parents are citizens of the country where they are found, irregardless of whether the parents have white skin, yellow skin, black skin, etc. etc.
And since international customary law on foundlings presumes that the parents are citizens of the country where they abandoned their child, the child they abandoned is now presumed to be NATURAL BORN in that country, color of skin notwithstanding.
So even if foundling Grace Poe will look like Anne Hathaway, international customary law will presume that the parents who abandoned her in the Philippines are already (naturalized) citizens of the Philippines. Thus Grace Poe, the foundling, even if she looks like Anne Hathaway, is a natural born Filipino.
parengtony says
well said. even Carpio admits that we follow international customary law. Ayaw lang nyang tawagin si Grace Poe na natural born Filipino. “Naturalized Filipino” lang daw. Pero malinaw naman ang sabi ng constitution –
Dual Citizenship
Frequently Asked Questions
What is RA 9225?
Who are eligible for dual citizenship?
Who are natural born citizens of the Philippines?
How does one prove that he or she is a natural born Filipino?
How can I order for an NSO-authenticated copy of my birth certificate if I am overseas?
What are the requirements for dual citizenship?
How much is the fee for dual citizenship?
How long will the process for applying for dual citizenship take?
If I submit my petition and there are lacking requirements, how long do I have to comply for my petition to be acted on favorably?
What are the rights and privileges that I would enjoy when I reacquire dual citizenship?
What are the implications on payment of income taxes?
What about payment of Philippine travel taxes?
Is there a residency requirement to be eligible for dual citizenship?
Can I now reside in the Philippines?
Will my application for dual citizenship under RA 9225 affect my US citizenship?
Upon reacquisition of Philippine citizenship, am I required to apply for a Philippine passport?
I still have a valid Philippine passport, which I renewed before I got naturalized as a US citizen. Now that I have reacquired my Philippine citizenship, can I still use this passport?
Can my spouse, who is not a former Filipino, apply for dual citizenship?
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Do adopted children of former Filipinos qualify for dual citizenship?
What is the schedule for Oath Taking Ceremony?
What should I wear to the Oath Taking Ceremony?
What is RA 9225?
Republic Act No. 9225 otherwise known as the “Citizenship Retention and Reacquisition Act of 2003” declares that natural-born citizens of the Philippines who become citizens of another country shall be deemed not to have lost their Philippine citizenship.
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Who are eligible for dual citizenship?
Natural-born citizens of the Philippines who acquired foreign citizenship by naturalization.
RA 9225 does not apply to dual citizens by birth, i.e., a child born in the United States when either parent was still a Filipino citizen at the time. If the birth was reported to the Philippine Embassy of Consulate, the child is considered to be a dual citizen from birth.
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Who are natural born citizens of the Philippines?
Natural born citizens of the Philippines are those who are citizens of the Philippines from birth without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect their Philippine citizenship
Examples:
· Those whose fathers and/or mothers are citizens of the Philippines at the time of their birth; and
· Those born before 17 January 1973 of Filipino mothers, who elect Philippine citizenship upon reaching the age of majority
leona says
Where is the answer for: a FOUNDLING . . . with unknown parents. . . like GPoe situation?
Rene-Ipil says
Meaning that a child with unknown mother and father like GPL is NBFC, while a child with known Filipino mother but unknown father and born also in 1968 is non- NBFC. Please enlighten me.
Ving C. says
I believe your statement is correct.
1) GPL is NBFC even though we and she do not know 100% if her parent/s is/are Filipinos (naturalized or otherwise), because of international customary law.
2) While the child who does not know his/her father will at best be a naturalized Filipino if upon age of maturity he/she elects to be a Filipino. — Correct me on this one if I’m mistaken — because of the 1935 constituion.
Kinda sucks, if you think about it, but that’s the “reality” of it that we must adhere to.
Rene-Ipil says
All laws must be harmonized. It seems your law on foundling is in total disharmony with the constitution. Please tell me why.
Pickers1368 says
Here is my ten-cent stab at this (based on 1935 Constitution):
1) A foundling found in a country where he/she was found is presumed to be naturalized citizen, not NBFC. This is perfectly in accord with our obligation with international law and which is the exact position taken by SAJ Carpio;
2) A child born to a Filipino mother is also presumed to be a Filipino citizen with a NBFC status, but the presumption is subject to confirmation by election when the child reaches the majority age. If no election is made, the presumption remains where subsequent acts would be taken into consideration. This is pretty much in consonance with the RA 9225 for NBFC born after 2003 i.e you are accorded dual citizenship (retained vs. reacquired) but still has to swear an OA.
pelang says
@Ving C. you said in your last paragraph: “So even if foundling Grace Poe will look like Anne Hathaway, international customary law will presu,me that the parents who abandoned her in the Philippines are already (naturalized) citizens of the Philippines. Thus Grace Poe, the foundling, even if she looks like Anne Hathaway, is a natural born Filipino.”
Paano magiging Natural born Filipino si Grace Poe in your assumption, her parents are just naturalized citizens of the Philippines? Di ba sumusunod lang ang bata sa citizenhip ng parents or one of the parents? so, kung naturalized ang parents kuno, di ang foundling din? at hindi magiging natural-filipino born citizen?
Ving C. says
Children of naturalized Filipinos are considered Natural-Born Filipinos provided the children were born after their parent/s were naturalized.
I know coz my Grandfather and Grandmother were naturalized Filipinos. So my dad and my uncles are all natural-born Filipinos.
Kalahari says
“INDONESIAN HAZE NOW IN MINDANAO”
“The latest satellite photo of the Indonesia forest fire is indicating that the haze has now reached southern Philippines. The Environmental Management Bureau of the PAGASA is already conducting tests in Visayas and Mindanao to determine the quality of air samples after Cebu and General Santos City reported the occurrence of unnatural atmospheric conditions.
Local health officials have already issued bulletins for residents to take precautionary actions especially those with respiratory problems. Haze carries ozone and other gas particles that irritate the nose, throat, skin and eyes.
Dr. Antonietta Odi, OIC at the City Health Office in General Santos said in a local tv interview that people prone to respiratory to respiratory and pulmonary infections, especially the elderly, should limit their outdoor activities and stay indoors as much as possible until an advisory is released that the air in the city is already safe for them.
“Monsoon winds blowing northeast from the Indonesian blazes towards the direction of the central Philippines could have carried the haze,” the Strait Times quoted Philippine weather forecaster Romeo Aguirre in an AFP story.
Moreover, hospitals in Valencia City, Bukidnon, is overflowing with children suffering from asthma, dry cough and other respiratory ailments, a local Radio station reported.
Kalahari says
correction: hospitals are overflowing
maya pula says
the haze has been apparent here in the visayas for two weeks now. its like cloud cover found in the highlands. hoping its not as lethal as in bukidnon.
Dodong says
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/109794-duterte-forgive-roxas-lp-black-propaganda
Is Duterte the new propagandist of Binay ? Mukhang nag ala chiz na si dudirty $$$ at panay ang banat sa kalaban ni Binay. Pangalawa na to simula nung friday
Inday says
It is because of the paid publicist of ROXAS throwing black propaganda at Duterte even if he would not run for the PRESIDENCY. Never did DUTERTE and his camp went into the mudslinging mode. It shows what kind of LEADERSHIP ROXAS has, we can trace it back to YOLANDA moments. Now who is more dirty isnt the LIBERAL PARTY??? Bat ba cla takot eh nasa kanila na ang budget, political machinery..asan na ba yolanda’s 90billion pesos rehab fund????
raissa says
Er, sino yung paid publicist?
chit navarro says
I read it somewhere that the Duterte group refers to Philip I. Lustre as a paid publicist of the Liberal party because of his article then that Duterte has medical issues with his throat.
Philip already strongly disclaimed that he is a paid publicist of the Liberal Party or anybody for that matter. He has stood by his article. Likewise, Mar Roxas already issued a statement on the “cancer” issue.
I believe it is just a matter of nomenclature or how one would describe the medical issue of Duterte re his throat.
Time will tell if Philip’s sources were right.. They can deny and deny and deny but that kind of sickness will soon show up. It’s just a matter of time.
vander says
baka si inday?
Dodong says
@inday anong tawag mo sa ginawa ni Duterte hindi ba mud slinging yun. dati kurap ang sinasabi ni duterte kay binay ngayon demolition job na lang, kaya dalawa lang yan maaring si duterte nag ala chiz escudero tiba tiba sya o kaya demolition job nya kalaban nya para kung kakandidato sya ubos na ang kalaban nya .
chit navarro says
On the alleged 90Billiob Peso rehabiliation Fund, please read the following excerpts from the
Yolanda Report, http://www.coa.gov.ph/phocadownloadpap/userupload/DRRM/Yolanda_Report.pdf
pages 18 & 19
The Foreign Aid Transparency Hub (FAiTH)
(Screen captured from http://www.gov.ph/faith.)
In response to the worldwide appeal for humanitarian aid, funds from different sources and all corners of the world started pouring in for Yolanda victims and survivors. To track the status of foreign aid coursed through government agencies like the DSWD and the NDRRMC, President Aquino launched FAiTH on November 18, 2013, “an online portal of information on calamity aid and assistance pledged or given by countries and intergovernmental organizations, as well as donations coursed through the Commission on Filipinos Overseas’ (CFO) Lingkod sa Kapwa Pilipino (LINKAPIL) program.” It can be accessed through
http://www.gov.ph/faith
As of August 19, 2014, the portal has recorded a total of P71,010,446,819.82 or $1,626,032,076.66 of foreign aid pledges. Of this amount, P44.2 billion or $1 billion are cash pledges, while P26.9 billion or almost $615 million are non-cash pledges. There are four government agencies (DSWD, OCD, DOH and the CFO) who are contributing information on the donations channelled through the DFA, which are uploaded to this website
Foreign government grants or donations are coursed through the Philippine embassies
that send Note Verbale to the DFA on the pledges made by donor countries. Not all pledges materialized into actual donations as others have remained as mere pledges. Only donations received by government agencies are monitored by the DOF; donations directly given to LGUs are not included. Pledges of foreign aid coursed through nongovernment organizations (NGOs), such as the Philippine National Red Cross (PNRC) or other international aid agencies can also be recorded in the portal, but cannot be tracked. Overseas and local donations wired directly to NGOs, UN instrumentalities and private entities and
foundations are also not included in this portal. At present, there is no single agency that is actually monitoring the receipt and utilization of funds received as donation or grants for
calamity victims.
The FAiTH Task Force is composed of representatives from the DBM, CFO, DOF, DOH, DFA, DSWD, NEDA, OCD, Office of Presidential Spokesperson, Presidential Management Staff and the Presidential Communications Development and Strategic Planning Office. The COA has also agreed to provide advisory support to this initiative.
holystsjohn says
Heto basahin mo kung saan napunta yung mga rehabilitation funds!!
http://www.rappler.com/nation/109824-coa-tacloban-yolanda-rehabilitation
http://www.rappler.com/nation/109913-coa-anomaly-leyte-hospital-supplies
T2 MAC says
I go for Roxas for the simple reason he best represents what is good and right for this country. And I am not a paid publicist! So if you don’t believe that then you are lost and confused just like your idol whoever that is!
leona says
‘In an interview with Rappler, Duterte said he believes his friend Roxas had nothing to do with the black propaganda, but should still be held accountable for being unable to rein in his men who are responsible for the dirty tricks.’ Rappler news.
O.k. How many public officials take or admits ‘responsibility’ or ‘accountability’ for the acts of their subordinates/assistants, etc.?
Binay is one who does not. Parang naman si Du30 pikon. Making so big a thing out of that cancer story. Good, he made the decision not to run for P. Sana he’ll not change his mind.
Vhin AB says
@Leona, biglang naging pusong mamon si Duterte? Personally, I used to like this guy. I thought what we need right now is a kind of leader that is tough on bigger issues that the country is facing like the national security, drugs, his brand of leadership etc. But yes, I agree. The mayor maybe not as he claim he is.
By simply attacking other candidates but Binay? Why oh why?!
moonie says
tough guy, babarilin ko sila duterte ay masyado palang maramdamin, nagtampo kaagad dahil lumabas na may cancer daw ang asawa. kung tutoo na may cancer ang asawa, hindi dapat ikasuklam ni duterte na malaman ng iba ang balita. he’s a public figure, everything about him is of public interest.
besides, why didn’t he just shoot the gossiper? nasaan na ang death squad niya? baka, lahat sila may cancer ngayon, he, he, he. what is good for duterte’s wife is good for all davawenyo.
anyhow, cancer is not state secret, and duterte’s wife is not the only one with cancer. miriam has cancer too and wears it like a badge.
moonie says
duterte is not big on freedom of information.
T2 MAC says
Neither he is big on democratic ideals. Not the kind of leader the country needs at this time – or anytime ever!
Theorista says
You can control your supporters but not your admirers. Ganon siguro nalaman ni Duterte kaya nag backtrack siya.
paul says
I am from mindanao and live in Davao for quite some time. D is a disciplinarian however only drug pushers and small time criminals doesn’t live to tell their tales. The Amp. clan has a big compound with high fences near SM Ecoland, NPA cadres and some big time drug lords are his friends who lives harmoniously for years. How come his son who has a thing with drugs is still alive although in jail for some time ? remember Mayor Inday Sarah who publicly humiliated the Court Sheriff for doing his job as a public officer. Just asking ?
The law applies to all otherwise none at all – Mayor Lim.
moonie says
the best disciplinarian is he who can discipline himself. that does not describe duterte. to me, duterte is despot who wants to suppressed people right to information, also wants to curtail people’s freedom to express opinion. next, he’ll be cutting off the tongue of those that passed info about his holy family.
john c. jacinto says
Rody is a fascist pig pretending to be onion-skinned. Namputsa ka, Rody, ang yabang mo akala mo kung sino kang anak ng Diyos na nakakahigit sa lahat ng balana. Sana nga matuluyan ka na sa sakit mo sa lalamunan. Pesteng yawa ka.
martial_law_baby says
May kasabihan tayo sa English na, “Be careful what you wish for”, which I think is applicable to Duterte. I can understand the yearning for such a brand of a Filipino leader. Pero I am concerned on our Civil Liberties if he becomes our President. He may stoke unrest and military adventurism if he wields an iron hand. Besides, we were reminded by Raissa that Rody was once made an anti crime czar PGMA pero nothing happened. Maybe he is really effective in Davao, pero for the whole country, I don’t think so.
Dodong says
Sa tinatahak ng mga salitang binibitiwan ngayon ni duterte ay baka eto ang bagong chiz sa buhay ni Binay. Baka pagmalapit na ang eleksyon sabay endorsed kay binay. Ngayon pa lang nagbabago na ang mga sinasabi ni duterte kay binay dati kurap ngayon biglang black propaganda na lang ng LP . Baka sa susunod tinataas na ni duterte ang kamay ni Binay para iendorso. Pag nagkataon Part 2 para kay Roxas , walang kaibigan pag pera na, sa laki ng pera na hinihinalang nakuha ni binay sa makati yakang yaka bayaran kahit x3 pa ng binayad kay chiz.
Vhin AB says
Remember, it was Mayor Duterte who joked that if Binay will become the president ay basketball team ang mga magnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan dahil buong angkan mula asawa hanggang sa mga anak ang may kaso ng katiwalian.
juanlee says
why are the sun and gold alike and different?
answer: sun and gold both shine. when the sun shines on a person, especially on the eyes, he covers the shine. when the gold shines its glitter on a person’s eye, the person does not refuse the glitter of the gold, he grabs the gold so he can have its glitter, if the gold is offered to the person.
binay started as a concerned citizen on power abuse and corruption, he tasted the glory of power and the fruits of corruption, he got converted.
duterte seems to be a a concerned citizen too on many abuses of people, he got offered too the glitter of the gold and got converted.
it is God’s blessing that we have a RORO to have our Philippines of our dreams.
so let us RORO our boat gently to our dreams
merrily, merrily gently down the society’s nasty ills.
sa ikakabuti ng bansa, si MAR at si LENI ang dapat mamahala.
balayang says
☺
vander says
no toodirty
balayang says
RoRo the boat to Pinas stream ?
Rene-Ipil says
The Supreme Court, in a unanimous en banc decision less than a month ago on September 22, 2015, upheld the COMELEC and ruled that ONLY after reacquiring Philippine citizenship under RA 9225 that one can rightfully re-establish his or her domicile or legal residence in the Philippines. The SC said:
“The COMELEC found that petitioner failed to present competent evidence to prove that he was able to reestablish his residence in Uyugan within a period of one year immediately preceding the May 13, 2013 elections. It found that it was only after reacquiring his Filipino citizenship by virtue of RA No. 9225 on September 13, 2012 that petitioner can rightfully claim that he re-established his domicile in Uyugan, Batanes, if such was accompanied by physical presence thereat, coupled with an actual intent to reestablish his domicile there. However, the period from September 13, 2012 to May 12, 2013 was even less than the one year residency required by law.”
http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/pdf/web/viewer.html?file=/jurisprudence/2015/september2015/209835.pdf
This is a case which is “in all fours” with GPL’s case.
If there is an iota of shame left in GPL, she should quit right away and let the Filipino people choose their legitimate leade
Kalahari says
GPL has already acquired the status of a CT (certified trapo) and therefore shameless like her vp. There’s big possibility that the SET may rule that she’s not a natural-born Filipino citizen but only a naturalized Filipino citizen being an admitted foundling with no known biological parents.
GPL became an American citizen in 2001 and allegedly reacquired her Filipino citizenship in 2006 but it was only on February 3, 2012 that she officially lost her American citizenship per Certificate of Loss of Nationality approved by US Vice Consul Jason Gallian of the US embassy. (Annex 19 of 21 documents submitted by Poe to the SET on 9/11/15)
leona says
Pet. Rogelio Batin Caballero (Cabellero) ‘claims that he did not lose his domicile of origin in Uyugan, Batanes, despite becoming a Canadian citizen as he merely left Uyugan temporarily to pursue a brighter future for him and his family [looks familiar pretext]; x x x”
COMELEC found petitioner to have made a matrial misrepresentation in his COC when he declared that he is a resident of Barangay Imnajbu, Uyugan, Batanes within one year prior to the election. [In GPL’s case at the SET tribunal, residency issue, per parties’ stipulation, has been made a non-issue.] [In GPL’s case also, her running for P, is questioned: citizenship. How about residency for 10 years?]
SC held: ‘Petitioner was a natural born Filipino. That a naturalization may result in an abandonment of domicile in the Philippines [Coquilla v. COMELEC, 434 Phil.Reports 861; Yr 2002]. Vacations cannot be considered as waiver of such abandonment. Petitioner’s retention of his Philippine citizenship under RA No. 9225 did not automatically make him regain his residence at it must be proved and reestablished. Petitioner failed to prove this point. Petitioner claims that his nine (9) months of actual stay in Uyugan, Batanes, is a substantial compliance with the law. Not persuasive as our laws are ordained by the people. In Acquino v. COMELEC, involving a representative of Congress, not even the will of a majority or plurality of the voters would substitute for a requirement mandated by the fundamental law itself.
Misrepresentation must consists of a deliberate attempt to mislead, misinform, or hide a fact which would otherwise render a candidate ineligible.’
[The Acquino v. COMELEC case cited is potentially an unfavorable case for one running for P whose citizenship is in question. SC says not even the will of a majority or plurality of the voters would substitute for a requirfement mandated by the fundamental law – the Constitution.]
Petitioner’s petition was dismissed. COMELEC’s resolutions were affirmed.
same LINK by Rene-Ipil.
RORO na! Looks like the race will be Roxas v. Miriam Santiago for P. Leni Robredo PANALO na siya! VP Binay will either: lose or be arrested, or BOTH. Gringo will either withdraw or GO away, or both.
hehehe
Kalahari says
Ex-senator Tatad files disqualification case vs Poe at the Comelec (Rappler 12:18pm 10/19/15)
Tatad, a former ally of her father, maintained Poe is not a natural-born citizen as she has “unknown parents” and that she failed to comply with the 10-year residency requirement for a president.
The camp of Poe once again dismissed the case as “dirty tactics” aimed to “derail” the presidential bid of the neophyte senator
“RO RO RO YOUR BOAT
GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM
MERRILY, MERRILY, MERRILY, MERRILY
LIFE IS BUT A DREAM”
Den says
The national election in 2016 has just become more interesting. The battleground is no longer the presidency, but the position of vice-president. What brought about this strange shift in focus?
Foremost, the current crop of presidential candidates are either qualified but not popular, or popular but less than qualified, or qualified and popular but has a high chance of not finishing the 6-year full term until 2022.
Allow me to elaborate.
Mar Roxas is trumpeted as the most experienced and the more capable candidate. And he has the backing of the full machinery of the government and the ruling political party. But despite the unprecedented high approval rating of the outgoing president who endorsed his candidacy, his acceptability among voters remain suspect. It also does not help that the record of the current administration to which he is closely identified with is not exactly unblemished. Unless he pushes the right buttons during the campaign to convince voters, especially those in the CDE segments, the presidency is a long shot for this technocrat.
Jojo Binay could be dead meat by the time campaign season rolls around. Like Manny Villar before him, his over eagerness to become president created enough time and opportunity for detractors and voters alike to scrutinize his records. The traditional backbone of his support base, the local government officials of Makati’s sister cities, have started shifting alliances, not wanting to be associated with the accusations of corruption and insatiable hunger for power and privilege that are now sticking with the Binay family like stains of indelible ink. Even if he wins the election, assuming he does not get disqualified or does not withdraw, there is always the risk of being impeached or even being ousted before the presidential term ends in 2022.
Grace Poe Llamanzares showed a lot of promise when her name emerged as an attractive alternative when Binay seemed invincible. However, time and circumstances conspired to test her character and readiness to hold the highest office of the land. Her age and her being a foundling are no longer the issues. The issues now revolve around her choice of allies, whether covert or overt, and her capability to grasp the very complex and interweaving problems of the country. Recent actions and pronouncements reveal her to be a poor judge of character, and with a tendency to push populist policies that may be more harmful in the long term. Her integrity is also suspect, having been not so forthright with her citizenship and residency. It will take a lot of judicial acrobatics to get her out of the rut when questions about her citizenship are settled either by the SET or the courts. Even if she wins the election, there is still the possibility of being disqualified.
Mirriam Defensor-Santiago is no doubt an intellectual giant. She also has an abundance of guts and grit – something that we might need to tame the wild and undisciplined government bureaucracy. She is not called the Iron Butterfly of Asia for nothing. But she is also a political butterfly, with no permanent interest except her own. She shift alliances for her own convenience, and despite her very public outbursts against idiotic and incompetent public officials, she has not really demonstrated that she will be effective in an executive position. Then too, there is the issue of her health. Stage 4 lung cancer does not go away that easily. Unless she is either lying again (remember her famous line, “I lied…”), or has found a miraculous cure for her cancer, there is always the risk of her health failing and her becoming an absentee president. If she was not able to meet the demands of her job as senator, and even as judge in the ICJ, how much more the rigors of a presidential campaign and eventually of the presidency?
So, by a twist of strange fate, it is very possible that we will have a president who may not be able to complete the full term. Our experience with Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, who ruled for a total of 9 years because of the abbreviated presidency of Joseph Estrada, compels us take a closer look at the candidates for this traditionally “spare-tire” position. Remember too, that during the tumultuous 2nd term of GMA, ousting her as we did with Erap was not a palatable option simply because we will be handing the presidency to Noli De Castro.
As well, all four presidential contenders will have to deal with a possibly weakened presidency. Mar will probably be a minority president, and will always struggle with acceptability among the masses. Binay will be hounded by the allegations of corruption and dynastic hold on government positions against him and his entire family. Grace is perceived to be overly dependent on Chiz and other shadowy influence peddlers within her circle. Miriam will be hounded by health issues. Whoever will become vice-president will have a very real opportunity for a bigger role in governance and a larger stage from which to shine.
It is no wonder then that the vice-presidential derby is now more hotly watched, debated and scrutinized than the presidential contest itself. For indeed, we will be casting our votes for vice-president with 2022 and beyond already in mind. Leni Robredo, Chiz Escudero, Bongbong Marcos, Gringo Honasan, Alan Cayetano and Antonio Trillanes will all be campaigning, and will be vetted by the electorate, not just as vice-presidential candidates but a very probable president even before the 2022 presidential election.
A very interesting election season this will be.
Theorista says
Very good summary! Although we always wanted a perfect president to lead this country, we must never get tired of demanding accountability from them. Pnoy didn’t fully capitalized on the high trust ratings given to him to pursue numerous meaningful reforms which is kind of sad, and I believe whoever is the next president won’t have the same level of political capital Pnoy got to continue reforming our system.
tristanism says
Great summation. Thanks.
leona says
Interesting BREAKFAST thought Den.
Let’s take the cup of COFFEE for a break. . . a President will be a MINORITY elected one.
There will be more votes casts for a Vice President but still a minority election. If not in tandem with the P, the VP will not have much role as trust and indifference will be there. Lesson for this: VP BInay’s case.
Mar Roxas has to show now he is the man. PNoy will retire. MR will be on his own to create, imagine and act on the show. Len Robredo if she gets the post must be entrusted with an important role, a big one to be more with much accomplishments like Secretary of DOJ.
The plight of VP Binay now is violatile, anything can happen until May 2016. Not a good sign. GPoe has a bigger and difficult hurdle to make, her CITIZENSHIP issue with a glue sticking on her RESIDENCY fact. Chiz will have to make so many PRAYERS if it can be of any help.
Miriam Santiago will be fighting her cancer not to recur besides fighting for P. A very strenuous feat for her. BbM is having a very present FRESH bad past being son of the dictator. He’s a boy who has not matured enough.
Between ACayetano and ATrillanes, the latter will probably have more votes but winning the VP post is not probably coming for him. GHonasan has shown he has not done well as a senator. Doesn’t know a thing from A to Z.
So, let’s have another cup of COFFEE. Today is windy and raining with LANDO, a typhoon with STORMS in it. The days ahead will be exceeding-more-like typhoons with a lot of storms or vice versa.
One more cup?
Den says
I will have my coffee extra strong!
moonie says
my lolo used to have coffee so strong, a teaspoon can stand on it. so sickly sweet too.
nearly knock my teeth off when I stole a taste.
Den says
I miss the barako coffee of old, sweetened by brown sugar and used as dip for pan de sal. On rainy mornings, we would even pour it on rice. Oh, those days of yore!
leona says
I’d tasted GINGEROFEE. . . kapLUY. For women, you get a SOPRANO voice. For men, they can YODEL of the Alps!
hehehe
vander says
i liked the crunchy aglipay diped into steaming cup of barako either..
now winds subside yet still in a chilly ambiance..
Kalahari says
Miriam may have read/followed the Natural Society findings (3/27/12) that “GINGER DESTROYS CANCER MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN DEATH-LINKED CANCER DRUGS”
“Ginger, a cousin spice of super anti-cancer substance “Tumeric,” is known for its ability to shrink tumors. Astoundingly, it is even more effective than many cancer drugs, which have shown to be completely ineffective and actually accelerate the death of cancer patients.
“The subject of one study based out in Georgia State University, whole ginger extract was revealed to shrink prostate tumor size by a whopping 56% in mice. The anti-cancer properties were observed in addition to ginger’s role in reducing inflammation as well as being source of life-enhancing antioxidants.
“Meanwhile, ginger presents virtually no side effects and has been used as a food product by many cultures for countless centuries. Instead of creating super tumors, whole ginger extract was shown shown to exert significant growth-inhibiting and death-inductory effects in a spectrum of prostate cancer cells. Over 17 other studies have also reached similar conclusions on ginger’s anti-cancer benefits, with the spice being shown by peer-reviewed research to positively impact beyond 101 diseases.”
Locally, it is known as “Salabat”
Link: http:naturalsociety.com/ginger-destroys-cancer-more-effectively-than-cancer-drugs/
leona says
Salabat <Doc Kalahari ! Give it a try from naturophatist.
Do not go for chemoTEPOKraphy. . . tepok ka pati kwarta.
moonie says
he, he, he, sorry po, my funny bone is haywiring. he, he, he. yeah, I’d recommend miriam to take salabat, good for treating prostate cancer and since she has no prostate, she might grow one. 1st female in history to grow prostate. you, beauty!
now that her lung cancer is going, going, gone; not coming, coming, coming back – kapaw! the new miriam is going to be transgender. superlative. gotta have more balls than bong marcos. must have enough balls for both of them, to sustain them all through the vigorous campaign. thank you, po, salabat. uhm, miriam, baby doll, be careful of taking salabat with ginger beer. might end up having the trots, he, he, he.
ben34 says
@leona
I am almost 88 years old and a Stage 4 cancer patient.
I have been undergoing chemotherapy since last August 2012. My next therapy
session is this coming October 20, 2015. I report to the Cancer Treatment Center
every other Tuesday and Thursday (chemotherapy and pump management).
I am still alive and kicking. :)
raissa says
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leona says
Nice ben34 you are having a good treatment at that Center.
I did encounter (I’m not a doctor) other cancer patients who did complain about their disease after a chemotheraphy treatment: one a close friend friend who was treated in Singapore cancer treatment center and spending all 9-10 million pesos, within a year’s time passed away recently because of it; others mostly I met couldn’t take the treatment’s after- effects plus couldn’t afford anymore the expense and preferred to stop the chemo. Their choices.
Cancer also is a mysterious ailment. The story of my dad (a doctor also), he had it in his colon (small intestine) and was operated. But he was given 5 months to live acc to his doctor who was chief at the Makati Med at the time . My dad outlived his doc for 20 years who passed away about 3-4 years after my dad’s discharged. My dad passed away in his sleep one day without much ado except he missed one of his favs everyday – a cup of coffee. I hope you continue to be well and keep kicking alive. Thanks. No deliberate offensive intent from my comment to cancer patients like you though was meant. My apology..
God bless you. . . ben34
netty says
It’s not offensive Leona, each to his own. There are reasons life has to be prolonged or cut-short.
A link, the other side of the coin, about cancer (hope it doesn’t get a lot of Raissa’s precious space)
Thanks!
https://youtu.be/KqJAzQe7_0g
leona says
Thanks netty for that YOUTUBE showing Mr. Ty Bollinger on educating many cancer patients. I did watch it for 1 hr. 20 minutes. Very interesting. The whole movie/film is 1 hr. 59 minutes 49 seconds. I was listening to the last portion re practioners of ‘Naturopath’ natural medicine treatment.
We have in Q.C. at Arayat St., Cubao a nice interesting doctor N.M.D., Dr. Rey Viloria, with his clinic just after a garage of a transportation bus company. No appointment. No consultation fee. I was there for twice a week for over 2 months, more or less, together with my known friends-patients. He even has doctors-patients who have their own personal health problems to be dealth with by Dr. Viloria. Visiting days is Wed/Thurs 10 to evening only. I hope this is still his schedule as he also lives in the rear area of his clinic.
For those who may think of getting a visit to him for their health problems he is one to see also. Go early.
Thanks netty.
Fedi says
Leona,
My mother-in- law is 101 years old. Since January of this year she fell down 4 times and was able to get up by herself. On September this year she fell down again. This time she was not able to get up. She hit her jaw on the wooden bed and her lower back on the floor. She was bed ridden for 2 weeks. Nobody is attending to her full time. One day her helper saw her walk alone outside the house.
Her secret; she drinks a cup of coffee at 1:00 am, one cup at 2:30 am and one cup at 4 am. She sleeps most of the time during the day. During the day she drinks small bottle of coke, sprite and other kinds of soft drink. She eats rice with pork or chicken or fish. She doesn’t take maintenance medicine.Her only pain medicine is Alaxan.
She doesn’t watch TV. She is still kicking. Fedi
netty says
Just a good joke to take off from the somber discussion on the big C.
I think coffee does good than bad, here’s why!
How does MOSES make his coffee?
Hebrews it. :)
… and he lived a hundred years or more, he even parted the RED SEA ;)
ben34 says
10-19-2015
@leona
There is no need to apologize. I have also heard of some cancer patients who quit chemotherapy.
I have full trust and confidence in my caregivers. I always tell myself: “Relax. You are in good hands.”
Having undergone three major surgeries, radiation treatments and ongoing chemotherapy I still have to
cope with neuropathy.
Thank you for wishing me well. I appreciate it very much.
Cheers!
ben34
Aremem says
ben34
While enjoying that cup of coffee, just keep on clicking your keyboard and pointing that arrow of your mouse here in RR. CPMers always wish the best for you! Remember, Prayer is a powerful tool! and you’ll be in mine from now on! Did someone said “Be like M!” Moses? :)
vander says
hahaha!
i am inspired by all of you!
i have asthma, diabetes and a lazy body.
i have 6 pills of maintenance drugs taken daily
not to mention the 3x or more daily encounter w/ my long-time partner(a nebulizer).
wishing you all well.
keep the coffee, in any way!
ben34 says
10-20-2015
@Aremem
Thank you so much. :)
ben34
NHerrera says
@vander,
“lazy body … 6 pills of maintenance drugs … 3x or more daily encounter w/ my long-time partner.”
BUT AN ACIVE — NON-LAZY — FINGERS WITH THE KEYBOARD.
Hooray for active fingers, computers, tablets, smartphones and keyboard — whether touch keyboard or physical ones like the one I am using. We need those activities until at least May 9, 2016.
CHEERS!
:-)
P.S.
BTW, 3x or more daily encounters is a “lot.” My encounter is at most once a week. Hahaha. (I hope Raissa allows this.)
NHerrera says
This time the side show is as important as the main show. On an academic plane, the campaign “narrative” of Mar-Leni — its strategic message really — has more substance to it than those of Binay-Honasan, Poe-Escudero, Santiago-Marcos. How to bring that across to all the sectors is the crux of the matter. If I may add, this is not lost on the camp of Mar-Leni and its LP machinery.
NHerrera says
FOR AS LONG AS WE ARE DISHING OUT OPINIONATED COMMENTS
Here is another one-centavo worth.
The entry of Santiago-Marcos in the scene is indeed a game changer of sorts. We have the “Marcos-Family” driven commitment of Bongbong adding a great deal of fluidity. This is the case of the “tail wagging the dog.” BBM may as well say to Miriam — relax, let me do all the heavy lifting and funding (with my family’s Billions); do what you are good at with your mouth. Since your health is fragile we will use my heavily financed keyboard warriors to say your piece via social media (Miriam has already said that much about social media as a tool for campaigning).
This Marcos-family commitment can be countered only by the Idealism-Driven commitment of Roxas-Robredo. The opportunists at the Binay-Honasan Camp and the Poe-Escudero Camp will read the tea leaves soon enough and a tipping point may be reached to jump ship to the Santiago-Marcos Camp, including the Opportunist Extraordinaire and Rasputin Escudero of Noy-Bi fame. The private financiers will follow suit.
The fight will be then be between Miriam-Marcos and Roxas-Robredo.
Place your bets Ladies and Gentlemen.
P.S.
Go go RORO.
leona says
BbM with his ready money won’t help. He does not know how.
Just beat ’em up with good plans and with excellent actions. So many VETERAN LPs. They are tested as warriors.
Miriam and BbM will only recruit the so-young with no experience. A big factor.
The above TWO will not get along nicely for a start and up to the end.
The BET is still on RORO = Mar Roxas Leni Robredo Make your keyboards hot to make fire.
hehehe
NHerrera says
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. Go go leona. :)
moonie says
yay, I believe, those torpedoes are dud. walang warheads. kulang pa ng measurements and not up to scale.
go ro-ro, go, go, go.
leona says
. . . those are political torpedoes, not submarine torpoedoes! Equivalent to 10,000 lbs enough to destroy a political party machinery or a navy squadron fleet.
The are called ‘Mark PT2015-16’ latest than what the US Navy has.
hehehe
duquemarino says
I’m for RORO!!!!!!!
Mary says
Calling the campaign HQs of RORO – please match BBM’s “KEYBOARD WARRIORS” (to borrow NH’s term). This is a war to be fought on social media as well as on the actual campaign sorties.
Calling also the computer techies out there, please volunteer your expertise to create YouTube, FB, twitter and other social media memes, please use the investigative reports by Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism to enlighten the CDE and some AB voters who are yet fully informed of the malverization, plunder and manipulations of BBM and his family, Enrile, Binay, Roberto Ongpin, and all the other supporters of Poe and Escudero.
Mar and Lenie must win so continuity will be assured. If you love your country we must all be involved in thei fight against this war on corruption and greed.
leona says
I AGREE to the CALL for the experts-volunteers.
Roll Out ‘D Barrel !
kalakala says
“let’s start the barrel rolling: pack your load and hit the road…
Follow Me Boys
“There’s a job to do,
There’s a fight to win,
Follow me boys, follow me,
And it won’t be done till we all pitch in,
Lift your chin with a grin and follow me.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMxu5pMQSAc
tsokaran says
Matagal tagal na rin akong nagbabasa dito sa CPM.. Pinipilit ko ang aking sarili na wag mag comment at magbasa lang ng magbasa… Pero ngayon, kung ganyan ang sentimyento dito sa CPM, eh bakit hindi tayo magbuklod buklod at magtulungan para sa kinabukasan ng ating mga anak at ng magiging anak pa ng ating mga anak? Magkita kita tayo at tumayo at mag umpisang tumulong mag organisa para sa Team RORO…
Yun ay kung ating bibigyang buhay ang ating mga salita dito sa CPM…
Maraming salamat po! Mabuhay tayong lahat na Pilipino na naghahangad ng malaya at masaganang bukas!
TSOKARAN
raissa says
What do you suggest?
tsokaran says
Maam Raisa;
Magkaroon po sana ng isang meeting ang mga CPMérs na naniniwala sa adhikain ng Team RORO at magkaroon ng consultation then magkaisa kung ano ang mga susunod na hakbangin na pagkakasunduan ng lahat ng umattend sa meeting..
Baka ito ang maging simula ng mas malawak pang pagkakaisa ng mga CPMérs at pagtutulungan para sa positibong mga hakbangin para sa ating bansa…
Halimbawa, yung dumaang bagyong si Lando.. Makakatulong din tayo sa mga nasalanta ng bagyo…
Sana nga…
Gumagalang,
TSOKARAN
juanlee says
but not all CDE pinoys have the nice and fancy toys for social media battle. one thing is for sure, they have the lowly cellfon. please incorporate in your media battle the lowly celfon as a weapon of mass information and mass persuation; many don’t leave home without it. techies, now it is in your hands to win the war…you can make this country proud again.
blitzkrieg them with celfon info barrage…”SA IKAKABUTI NG BANSA, SI MAR-LENI ANG DAPAT MAMAHALA.”
i gave my one liner for celfon barrage, now it is your turn to come up with one.
parengtony says
none of the above
Den says
It is sickening to read all those social media posts and comments from the new generation Marcos fanatics. what have our education system done to our youth? Or is it mass media? The stupidization of the Filipino will bring this country down. I would like to believe that they are a noisy minority, but like cancer cells, they can easily infect the good cells unless they ate booted out in time. We must not let our guards down.
Mary says
True, I opened a dedicated FB account for RORO 2016 and accepted all friend requests that amazingly poured in. Most claimed to be for RORO, I accepted so I can pose to as many friends who will in turn share them with their own circle of influence. Haiissst, I discovered that some of them are Trojan horse (masquerading for RORO but in reality, Marcos trolls and propagandists, one posted a lengthy article justifying martial law and praised Marcos to high heavens citing infrastructure projects, discipline, etc.) I quickly blocked them but I can’t keep up, everyday I have to block at least 3 of them, they are relentless, swarm-like and untiring!
NHerrera says
That is what I meant in my Post 34.2.1 concerning the “commitment” of the Marcos-family with Billions to back up this commitment. So social media which is a phrase just about anyone who uses a smartphone or a computer knows cannot escape Marcos or his advisers for its potency. In other words cover all possibilities of getting votes by hiring the best money can buy since money is practically no consideration — there are lots of it. AND THAT IS SCARY. And that is why my gut feel is that Escudero will play second fiddle to Marcos in the rating game in the weeks, months to come — especially since the negatives of Escudero have been starkly exposed in tandem with the negatives of GPL.
The hope is that Leni Robredo is different and the camp of Roxas-Robredo have the creative and funded effective counter.
Theorista says
Escudero has already covered his options on the table if Poe wins.
1.) If won as VP, he’ll get the juicy cabinet position (DILG), and probably has opinion on choosing SC justices.
2.) If lost, he’ll still get a cabinet position after a year (DILG), and definitely will limit the VP’s powers (ie. Leni) to protect the queen, making sure the VP will toe the Poe line.
Theorista says
I am convinced that Brenda was pushed by someone to run for Presidency in order to snatch votes from Poe. Don’t believe her gunning for that Presidency as many of you wondered how will she endure the rigors of it. A definite political butterfly. Plus, it is a win-win situation for Brenda because she gets donor money to fund her ongoing cancer treatment while making a dent on GP. Just saying.
NHerrera says
There is a point there.
But even if she was not “pushed” to run for the Presidency, my feeling is similar to yours, that her running will have the effect of some of Poe’s potential voters going Santiago’s way — if she is still there by election time.
ace romero says
Recent SC ruling on Residency Requirement Link:
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/109447-sc-disqualification-uyugan-batanes-mayor
Kalahari says
Portents of impending debacle on mgl:
The SC ruled “Petitioner’s retention of his Philippine citizenship under Republic Act No. 9225 (Citizenship Retention and Reacquisition Act of 2003) did not automatically make him regain his residence in Uyugan, Batanes. He must still prove that after becoming a Philippine Citizen on Sept. 13, 2012, he had reestablished Uyugan, Batanes, as his new domicile of choice, which is reckoned from the time he made it as such.”
leona says
‘Residency’ requirement is always on the clear belief that one candidate for P or VP or as member of Congress, is a ‘Natural born citizen.’ With proof of the latter, no amount of residency or lenght of it can cure NBFC requirement. That must be the rule. . . with SC decisions.
GPL is admittedly a ‘foundling.’ So, where is her NBFC at that? From a UN Treaty? Labo ito or not even judicially suppportable. Voters must now be WISE and DISCERNING on her qualifications rather than just ‘voicing out’ their choice. It doesn’t work like that in our present rule of law though how weak it might be.
COMELEC where the recent petition for GPL’s disqualification is filed must clearly support the Constitutional provision on NBFC and the SC jurisprudence if such agency has a strong case ruling on GPL’s case as in violation of the Constitution and jurisprudence and NOT LEAVE it to the SET for another pending case involving the senatorship issue. The two (2) cases are NOT the same on all fours.
Coffee break coming again. Hide the Jar now.
leona says
error. . . ‘without proof of the latter’. . . sorry.
BFD says
This one I couldn’t stomach, what Honasan said when he accepted the VP candidate position of UNA,
A good soldier doesn’t launch a coup d’ etat on his own commander-in-chief….
As it is, the civilians who became feel victim because of his military adventurism to grab power and install a military junta are still suffering the ravages of that power grab. Ni wala ka ngang marinig na sorry sa kanila. Maririnig mo sa kanila yung their cause was right at that time, that they’re fighting for a cause daw.
moonie says
those nabiktima ni honasan et al, now have change to hit back. hindi nila iboboto si honasan at kapartido.
Kalahari says
You’re right, @moonie. Only the soldiers who supported the putschist during his deadly five (5) coup attempts, including his main financier then, tatay enrile, would vote for him as vp. He can’t count on the Guardians’ full support since they know his dreadful agenda.
NO NO NO TO GRINGO
moonie says
five tries, five chances, and still he failed. soldaten gringgo honasan should hang his head on a pole. his carapace is way too thick. he was supposed to stop at 3rd try, but didn’t.
well, least now, honasan can have lacrimal with binay, bring on the water works, misery loves company. losing pair consoling each other. so there.
thie says
Pero inindorsed ni Enrile si Bongbong, paano niya iboboto si Honasan….Gulo talaga politics!
leona says
He has always been without ‘know-how’ as a political leader. He misused his being a soldier. As I said he doesn’t know from A to Z in the political arena.
Naka lusot na siya. Bobotantes voted him kasi good looks with nothing intellectual inside the mind. Good for soldiering sana but even now, no more.
What a comment – ‘What choice do I have?’ ! In Tagalog – ‘Eh, Anong gagawin ko?’ Or – ‘Anong pipiliin ko?’
Clear as a mist on the mirror – breath unto it, wipe it away.
hehehe
moonie says
uhm, leona, I think, honasan needs guide dog. he does not seem to know where to go.
leona says
He should just LEAVE binay, as he wont to fun-leave in his coups! Go Leave.
hehehe
fed-up says
Light moments break:
Panahon ng parliamentary government sa ‘Pinas. Si Marcos ang Presidente at si Cesar Virata ang Prime Minister.
Marcos: Cesar, bakit ang gulo-gulo ng bayan? Ano ba ang ipinagsisigaw ng mga estudyanteng martsa ng martsa?
Virata: Sir, limang ismo (“isms”)
Marcos: Anu-ano ang mga iyon?
Virata: Ang unang tatlo ay piyudalismo (feudalism), pasismo (facism) at imperyalismo (imperialism).
Marcos: Ano ang pang-apat?
Virata: Sir, baka magalit kayo.
Marcos: Hinde, ano yon?
Virata: Misismo (Your Mrs)
Marcos: Eh ano yong pang lima?
Virata: Baka magalit na kayo niyan.
Marcos: Sinabi ko nang hindi, sabihin mo!
Virata: Ikaw mismo (You yourself).
wbar says
Marcos pa rin?????????????????
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/09/22/13/forgotten-details-old-story
Kalahari says
Nice one @fed-up. you make my day although raining cats & dogs
leona says
hahaha! That’s a HEAVY 1. fed-up