After five days of oral arguments, the issue on residency was resolved in the last ten minutes, and more specifically in the last two minutes. Hear 3:50:00 and 3:58:00 of the audio of the last session.
In answer to J. Del Castillo @3:50:00, Dean Amado Valdez said that according to Japson, Coquilla, Caballero and Jalosjos:
“The most relevant date when a person will be considered domiciled in this country is when he renounces his American citizenship.”
In answer to CJ Sereno @3:58:00, Dean Valdez said emphatically and authoritatively that all that CJ Sereno mentioned about the physical presence of GPL in May 2005 is merely credited to her animus revertendi or the intention to return and animus manendi or intention to establish domicile in the country. But none could be credited to her animus non revertendi or her intention to abandon old or US domicile. And that all the three requirements of establishing Philippine domicile must be complied with, including animus non revertendi.
Thereafter, CJ Sereno immediately adjourned the session.
kalakalasays
atty. rene ipil do you mean @ 5:50:00?
Rene-Ipilsays
Correction: @5:09:00 and @5:16:00
The session ended @5:18:54.
kalakalasays
ang galing ng discussion bet serena and valdez… . halatang halatang ” CJ Sereno immediately adjourned the session.”
shot…pasok sa VALDE and SERENA ;-D
Kalaharisays
Obviously, cj sereno could not mount an animus delendi or the desire to destroy the legal finesse of the learned dean valdez, hence the abrupt adjournment.
Melsays
Poe-Llamanzares Vs. Comelec 5th Oral Arguments G.R. No. 221697
SC CJ has adjourned the consolidated hearing.
Time now for the Memoranda of both parties, et al. non extendable of within 5 days.
GOOD PM everyone.
pasensiya nah sa mga kumento kong pautal-utal.
baycassays
I hope everyone realized by now that a majority of the SC magistrates can create its own math on “residency” based on the SC’s slide rule.
kalakalasays
mathematics is an exact science therefore strongly recommended using NHerrera’s slide rule!
Melsays
due to lack of GPL residency based on COMELEC’s calculations, SC J Bersamin was sort of lobbying to CC Lim to grant the difference of 1 year two months in favor of the petitioner (GPL). let it slide, puwede?
leonasays
. . . to like the rule as sliding – OUT! (umpires at SC Base Ball Field)
last para from the link above posted by vander dated feb. 16,2016 at 6:36PM
“Just for the record, the Philippines press is one of the freest in the world and the country’s prosecutorial and judicial systems are among the world’s most incorruptible.”
talaga? “prosecutorial and judicial systems are among the world’s most incorruptible”?. tingnan natin after this sc oral hearing kung ano ang resulta. abangan…
kalakalasays
ay naku po. nakatulog na ako hindia pa tapos . now the carp vs the hil @ bay. go go go CARP climp the HIL. flattened the HIL
kalakalasays
ay naku si sera no na ang nagsasalita. break muna tayo
i am enjoying manang inday’s statement:Susan Roces debunks rumor that Poe is sister’s child with Ferdinand Marcos from gmanetwork.com/news/story
Roces said she never saw her sister pregnant in 1968, the year when Poe was born.
“Kasama ko ang kapatid ko, araw at gabi ng mga panahong iyon. Hindi ko siya nakitang nagdadalang-tao. That was 1968, the year I got married,” she said.
In 1968, Roces said her sister was busy with her showbiz career, shooting television shows and movies.
“During that time, my sister was very visible [in public]. Never, never ko siyang nakitang pregnant,” the actress said.
——————————————————————————————————————————
mayroon nang post sa blog ni maam raissa na walang pelikulang ginawa ni rosemarie around that conceiving months. the above statement of manang inday can be easily rebutted by that post.
manang inday can you prove your statement by subjecting yourself to DNA? mas kahawig kayo at ni sheryl cruz kaysa taga guimaras who are dark brown complexion ( hindi naman kasing itim ni vp binay) at round face. pero naghukay pa rin sa CAMPOE SANTO.
Melsays
Across the political divide
“There is somebody who could put to rest in one press statement all the talk that Marcos was her father: the alleged mother Rosemarie Sonora. She lives in the US, but hasn’t said a word, and we’re sure she has heard this controversy raging.
“Her silence only bolsters the rumor that she is Grace’s mother. There is a very powerful Filipino belief that a mother can’t ever deny her daughter, or she will go to the deepest recesses of hell.” – by RIGOBERTO D. TIGLAO
Atty. Rene-Ipil, puede ba ULITIN mo ang detalye ng “mayroon nang post sa blog ni maam raissa na walang pelikulang ginawa ni rosemarie around that conceiving months.” ni
Kalakala’s?
he he
mooniesays
kalakala, how would susan know about pregnancy? she has never been pregnant.
besides, maliit yata nagbuntis si rosemarie at hindi halatado, maliit din kasi si grace. so cute, sabi nga rin ni imee marcos recently.
I could not recall susan and rosemarie living together in the same house in 1968, both are rich enough to own houses. susan could not have known what rosemaries was up to, texting was not vogue nuon, walang cellphones. they could not always be together, susan has filming to do paminsan sa location pa at malayo. and rosemarie could not be hanging around when ronnie was courting susan. awkward, e. magmumukhang ang dalawang magkakapatid ay siyang ka-date ni ronnie. yayks!
kalakalasays
moonie, tanong kahapon ni manang susan sa taga lapaz market: “IF SHE isn’t Filipino, how did Sen. Grace Poe land in the Philippines?”
dapat alam nya kasi sya iyong nakalagay sa birth certificate as a mother so very sure sya kung papaano NAG LAND SA MUNDO at hindi sa moon si mgp.
viborasays
the “tribune of the people” seems evasive when cornered, by AJ Carpio.
Melsays
Mr Tribune to pointed questions of SC AJ Carpio on the 1934 Con Con re foundling’s non inclusion to the 1935 Constitution: ‘It depends’, ‘It depends’, ‘It depends’,
Then later on, ‘I assume’ says Mr Tribune.
That’s a good headline for the herald.
rOSARIOsays
then forms should have words “born to/adopted by” re the form. so the filer will not have confusion.
Melsays
SC CJ on interpelating CC Lim on GPL’s info on BID form.
It appears CJ Sereno is harassing CC Lim.
kalakalasays
just sharing with everybody what my childhood friend and i recalled during our first days at school. noong nasa grade one kami during our class our teacher asked: what is your father’s name? what is your mother’s name? first, she asked our teacher: maam my real father and mother or legal father and mother? kasi alam nyang adopted child sya ng ate ng kanyang nanay.
rOSARIOsays
pinagsisiksikan ni CJ Sereno ang disadvantages ng pag pull-out ni GP sa mga anak nya from U.S. school to enrol in Phil. schools.
how about questioning the citizenship of the husband? STILL an american citizen? an avenue of going back to the states anytime they wish too. and becoming a U.S. citizen again.
so freaking what about those stuff pounds of brought to the Philippines? anybody who moved does the same thing if they do not want to leave the stuff behind or have a yard sale. or put it on a storage.
rOSARIOsays
Poe-Llamanzares Vs. Comelec 5th Oral Arguments G.R. No. 221697
pang limang ORAL argyumento sa korte suprema ng GPoe bersus Comelec.
mag uumpisa na.
tatlong minuto na lang.
Melsays
SG Florin Ternal Hilbay speaking on borrowed time (currently more than 20 minutes already).
zzzzhhhhh …
Melsays
paraphrasing (non verbatim)
‘All foundlings are natural born citizens in all constitutions. – Florin T. Hilbay, Solicitor General
kalakalasays
OH lala… “ALL FOUNDLINGS” …ALL.. ALL…is this the result of too much pressure?
Melsays
most likely the SG was in a pressure cooker to formulate that kind of a deluded opinion.
kalakalasays
comm lim to cj sereno: “i am not finish of my sentence your honor” ;-D ang galing ng bakbakan hurry to comm lim!
Melsays
on SC case coquilla et al (misspelling not intended)
both have different recollection, unsynch interpretatio on jurisprudence.
sabi ni CJ, pakitagalog daw ni CC Lim ang ‘material misrepresentation’.
at least bati sila sa ‘pagsisinungaling’ ni GPL.
kalakalasays
cj sereno to comm lim we are running around the circle… who is/are running around the circle? i think cj already heard her voice during the previous hearings.
kalakalasays
comm lim to cj sereno: your honor let me respectfully invoke your own ruling.
Melsays
‘we are basically saying …’ – SC CJ
very simplistic ang postura, MISMO.
Melsays
‘a 40 foot container can contain an office and the whole house’ – SC CJ
rOSARIOsays
hahahaha
akala ko, ako lang ang nakatulog hahahaha
wala akong naintindihan sa kanya.
Melsays
The Tribune of the people (Solicitor General) cites statistics blah, blah, blah … with SC J Bersamin
Which statistics is that Mr Tribune? Originator, subjects … ? Baka naman poll surveys, rebranded as references for his statistics.
Now SC J de Castro is asking Mr Tribune which statistics are you referring of?
Melsays
Am I misrepresenting Mr Tribune?
On statistics, use of ‘common sense’ daw.
Coming from a Yale, UP graduate!!!
Melsays
Sanitized ID docu.
GPL’s supporting docu for repatriation under RA 9225, she used her passport, not her amended Birth Certificate. Which was was amended only two months before repatriation, years after adoption to FPJ & SR.
Statistics as defined and etched in the 1934 Con-Con (aka the founding, without an “L,” fathers) deliberations:
– Foundlings are few and far between, AND
– Majority decided to disregard a Constitutional provision in favor of the foundlings
Now, Hilbay et al is probably ‘statisticizing’ that the founding fathers are actually the foundlings’ fathers by stating that ALL our Constitutions say that foundlings are natural-born Philippine citizens.
Melsays
very tantalizing!
heh he heh
very, very illegitimate
(from a mindset of a soliciting heneral)
no love lost. Mr Tribune wasn’t even a counsel for either parties.
baycassays
Sereno added the ‘tantalizingly statisticizing’ government lawyer in the oral arguments for the sake of gaining further the lawyerly-accomplished appeal to emotion.
pang limang ORAL argyumento sa korte suprema ng GPoe bersus Comelec.
mag uumpisa na.
Melsays
SC AJ Carpio interpellating CC A Lim.
Picking on the ‘born to’ clause in the BID form which was filled and signed by GPL. This clause was picked upped by SC J de Castro in the previous Oral Hearings.
SC AJ Carpio’s gave emphasis on this which alleviated both SC Justices above par. Both have given material attention to details, not only in form but in the wordings (text content) of Oath of allegiances (for US citizenship, repatriation of Oath for Dual Citizenship with PHL) undertaken by GPL.
parengtonysays
On the eve of the final session (?) of the oral arguments on the Poe DQ case:
“TWO VIEWS are polarizing the justices of the Supreme Court in the disqualification cases against presidential candidate Grace Poe. The first seems to advocate a very rigid interpretation of the law governing Poe’s citizenship; the other, a more liberal and charitable approach.
By the “letter of the law” is the way to go for Justices Antonio Carpio, Teresita Leonardo-de Castro and Arturo Brion (who have adamantly refused to inhibit themselves despite ethical constraints as dissenters to the majority decision of the Senate Electoral Tribunal deeming Poe a natural-born Filipino citizen); and by the “spirit of the law” for Justice Marvic Leonen (“Poe finds a champion in the Supreme Court, News, 1/21/16). Which interpretation should prevail in resolving that issue that arose from the Commission on Elections’ decision barring Poe from her presidential run for not being a natural-born Filipino?
With due respect, we fail to see how “interpretation” should be a matter of choice in those cases. The truth is, there is NO LAW that can be made subject of any statutory construction! The Constitution says nothing—and Congress has not enacted any law—on the citizenship of a foundling found in the Philippines! While the Constitution considers infants born of Filipino parents as natural-born citizens (jus sanguinis), it is totally silent about infants found in the Philippines who are of unknown parents.
Yet, most intriguingly, all those who voted against Poe being deemed a natural-born Filipino nevertheless agree that she is still a Filipino despite her being of no known parents. And on what is this mindset based? What else, but on the constitutional provision “adopting generally accepted principles of international laws as part of the law of the land,” one of which being that foundlings are deemed citizens of the country they are found (jus soli)!
Be that as it may, the citizenship issue now before the Supreme Court is whether or not Poe “deliberately lied” when she said in her certificate of candidacy that she is a “natural-born” Filipino. That is really a no-brainer! It is axiomatic that where difficult questions of law are involved, honest mistakes in one’s understanding of it are excusable. In light then of the fact that even the Supreme Court justices are themselves in disagreement about the correct citizenship status of a foundling—and there is in fact no jurisprudence relating precisely to that issue—how could the Comelec be so sure—nay, cocksure—that Poe was not a natural-born citizen and that she lied when she said she was? Evidently, the election commissioners had acted more popish than the Pope! And if that wasn’t blatant “grave abuse” of discretion or plain stupidity on their part, we don’t know what is!
—ROGELIO S. CANDELARIO, [email protected]
leonasays
On FB. . . affirm YOU will be RORO! Keep it UP as MANY as you CAN OTHERS’ fb.
Give your BEST SHORT shot to TELL on it.
Don’t LEAVE any one BEHIND.
This is the CYBERSPACE of a CHANCE on Internet.
I started it ALREADY!
What ABOUT YOU. . . !
parengtonysays
On the eve of the final session (?) of the oral arguments on the Poe DQ case:
“TWO VIEWS are polarizing the justices of the Supreme Court in the disqualification cases against presidential candidate Grace Poe. The first seems to advocate a very rigid interpretation of the law governing Poe’s citizenship; the other, a more liberal and charitable approach.
By the “letter of the law” is the way to go for Justices Antonio Carpio, Teresita Leonardo-de Castro and Arturo Brion (who have adamantly refused to inhibit themselves despite ethical constraints as dissenters to the majority decision of the Senate Electoral Tribunal deeming Poe a natural-born Filipino citizen); and by the “spirit of the law” for Justice Marvic Leonen (“Poe finds a champion in the Supreme Court, News, 1/21/16). Which interpretation should prevail in resolving that issue that arose from the Commission on Elections’ decision barring Poe from her presidential run for not being a natural-born Filipino?
With due respect, we fail to see how “interpretation” should be a matter of choice in those cases. The truth is, there is NO LAW that can be made subject of any statutory construction! The Constitution says nothing—and Congress has not enacted any law—on the citizenship of a foundling found in the Philippines! While the Constitution considers infants born of Filipino parents as natural-born citizens (jus sanguinis), it is totally silent about infants found in the Philippines who are of unknown parents.
Yet, most intriguingly, all those who voted against Poe being deemed a natural-born Filipino nevertheless agree that she is still a Filipino despite her being of no known parents. And on what is this mindset based? What else, but on the constitutional provision “adopting generally accepted principles of international laws as part of the law of the land,” one of which being that foundlings are deemed citizens of the country they are found (jus soli)!
Be that as it may, the citizenship issue now before the Supreme Court is whether or not Poe “deliberately lied” when she said in her certificate of candidacy that she is a “natural-born” Filipino. That is really a no-brainer! It is axiomatic that where difficult questions of law are involved, honest mistakes in one’s understanding of it are excusable. In light then of the fact that even the Supreme Court justices are themselves in disagreement about the correct citizenship status of a foundling—and there is in fact no jurisprudence relating precisely to that issue—how could the Comelec be so sure—nay, cocksure—that Poe was not a natural-born citizen and that she lied when she said she was? Evidently, the election commissioners had acted more popish than the Pope! And if that wasn’t blatant “grave abuse” of discretion or plain stupidity on their part, we don’t know what is!
—ROGELIO S. CANDELARIO, [email protected]
It is really hard to accept survey results if the results were not favorable to one’s desired candidates.
From outright rejection of the result to questioning the basis of the surveys.
We are all sorry but opinions polls have been elevated to almost exact science and it is at the height hypocrisy if we reject the results outright just because we do not like the results.
As they say, one can always ignore surveys to his own peril.
I remember one of the presidential candidates in the 1998 elections always questioning the validity of surveys parroting the usual line that 1,200 respondents can’t possibly reflect the will of the rest of the electorate. Erap was at 40 percent then while he was at 10 percent.
I voted for that losing candidate although I was disappointed with his reasoning regarding the validity of surveys.
He was one of the brightest politicians at that time and was connected with a big company before entering politics so I was sure then that he was aware that surveys have scientific basis.
Now, I am afraid that Roxas, if not him, his supporters, are committing the same mistake.
Wake up Roxas, and RoRo supporters. It is not easy to accept the truth, but denying it instead of doing something to be more acceptable to the electorate is the shortest route to defeat.
There is still time, but time is running out. Fast.
Months ago, there was a clamor for Roxas to be more forceful and I believed in the validity of the call.
Some RoRo supporters insisted that Roxas has nothing to change but his static poll numbers perhaps, prodded his campaign staff to repackaged Roxas as a more forceful leader. But I think it was too late.
The name of the game now is how many promises you can make to the electorate.
Still the puritans of the RoRo supporters disagreed and they rely only to the noble belief that the electorate will change heart and will vote RoRo come May 9, 2016.
I think it will not happen, unless Roxas promises heaven to the electorate.
As I said, if crooked politicians can fool the people with promises, good politicians can do the same.
The necessary evil against the prospect of electing crooked and corrupt politicians.
viborasays
Roxas ala Osmena?
“Teodoro M. Kalaw, a follower of Osmeña, quoted Manuel L. Quezon as having said to Osmeña in 1922 that “The problem with you is that you take the game of politics too seriously. You look to far behind you and too far ahead of you. Our people do not understand that. They do not want it. All they want is to have the present problem solved, and solved with the least pain. That is all.” http://www.quezon.ph/2015/12/18/the-presidency-and-the-crisis-of-modernity/
uprightbikesays
That is why you have to promise everything. It is the fastest and least painful. For if you promise, no matter how impossible it is, it will spur hope.
Roxas, do what the rest is doing. You have to win.
The trouble with some people, especially the “intelligent ones”, is that they always fail to apply the fruit of their analyses and tend to romanticize it.
“Intelligent voters” know that majority of the people are gullible.
So what are we waiting for. Fool them. Enough of this principled campaign.
We want to win. Not to become saints.
Laysays
I hope SecMar Roxas or whoever near him can read this and relay it to him. There is no way you can win in the Philippine election if you are honest. Yes, promise them the stars and the moon for now, and when you Sec Mar Roxas wins… Then, start the “daang matuwid”.
Clairesays
Mar’s number is in double digit, far from the sad single digit he was sporting before. Even Leni is catching up.
They have a chance. RORO will win.
And I am still betting on the fact that the president is still like by the general populace and him campaigning for his team will help secure mar and leni’s win.
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Rene-Ipil says
After five days of oral arguments, the issue on residency was resolved in the last ten minutes, and more specifically in the last two minutes. Hear 3:50:00 and 3:58:00 of the audio of the last session.
In answer to J. Del Castillo @3:50:00, Dean Amado Valdez said that according to Japson, Coquilla, Caballero and Jalosjos:
“The most relevant date when a person will be considered domiciled in this country is when he renounces his American citizenship.”
In answer to CJ Sereno @3:58:00, Dean Valdez said emphatically and authoritatively that all that CJ Sereno mentioned about the physical presence of GPL in May 2005 is merely credited to her animus revertendi or the intention to return and animus manendi or intention to establish domicile in the country. But none could be credited to her animus non revertendi or her intention to abandon old or US domicile. And that all the three requirements of establishing Philippine domicile must be complied with, including animus non revertendi.
Thereafter, CJ Sereno immediately adjourned the session.
kalakala says
atty. rene ipil do you mean @ 5:50:00?
Rene-Ipil says
Correction: @5:09:00 and @5:16:00
The session ended @5:18:54.
kalakala says
ang galing ng discussion bet serena and valdez… . halatang halatang ” CJ Sereno immediately adjourned the session.”
shot…pasok sa VALDE and SERENA ;-D
Kalahari says
Obviously, cj sereno could not mount an animus delendi or the desire to destroy the legal finesse of the learned dean valdez, hence the abrupt adjournment.
Mel says
Poe-Llamanzares Vs. Comelec 5th Oral Arguments G.R. No. 221697
SC CJ has adjourned the consolidated hearing.
Time now for the Memoranda of both parties, et al. non extendable of within 5 days.
GOOD PM everyone.
pasensiya nah sa mga kumento kong pautal-utal.
baycas says
I hope everyone realized by now that a majority of the SC magistrates can create its own math on “residency” based on the SC’s slide rule.
kalakala says
mathematics is an exact science therefore strongly recommended using NHerrera’s slide rule!
Mel says
due to lack of GPL residency based on COMELEC’s calculations, SC J Bersamin was sort of lobbying to CC Lim to grant the difference of 1 year two months in favor of the petitioner (GPL). let it slide, puwede?
leona says
. . . to like the rule as sliding – OUT! (umpires at SC Base Ball Field)
he he
vander says
pampagana:
http://juliuswillis.com/2015/08/08/three-of-the-philippines-most-corrupt-political-leaders-rank-among-the-top-10-in-the-world/
kalakala says
last para from the link above posted by vander dated feb. 16,2016 at 6:36PM
“Just for the record, the Philippines press is one of the freest in the world and the country’s prosecutorial and judicial systems are among the world’s most incorruptible.”
talaga? “prosecutorial and judicial systems are among the world’s most incorruptible”?. tingnan natin after this sc oral hearing kung ano ang resulta. abangan…
kalakala says
ay naku po. nakatulog na ako hindia pa tapos . now the carp vs the hil @ bay. go go go CARP climp the HIL. flattened the HIL
kalakala says
ay naku si sera no na ang nagsasalita. break muna tayo
Mel says
during your break, u might find dis interesting.
http://opinion.inquirer.net/92927/whos-stupid
kalakala says
i am enjoying manang inday’s statement:Susan Roces debunks rumor that Poe is sister’s child with Ferdinand Marcos from gmanetwork.com/news/story
Roces said she never saw her sister pregnant in 1968, the year when Poe was born.
“Kasama ko ang kapatid ko, araw at gabi ng mga panahong iyon. Hindi ko siya nakitang nagdadalang-tao. That was 1968, the year I got married,” she said.
In 1968, Roces said her sister was busy with her showbiz career, shooting television shows and movies.
“During that time, my sister was very visible [in public]. Never, never ko siyang nakitang pregnant,” the actress said.
——————————————————————————————————————————
mayroon nang post sa blog ni maam raissa na walang pelikulang ginawa ni rosemarie around that conceiving months. the above statement of manang inday can be easily rebutted by that post.
manang inday can you prove your statement by subjecting yourself to DNA? mas kahawig kayo at ni sheryl cruz kaysa taga guimaras who are dark brown complexion ( hindi naman kasing itim ni vp binay) at round face. pero naghukay pa rin sa CAMPOE SANTO.
Mel says
Across the political divide
“There is somebody who could put to rest in one press statement all the talk that Marcos was her father: the alleged mother Rosemarie Sonora. She lives in the US, but hasn’t said a word, and we’re sure she has heard this controversy raging.
“Her silence only bolsters the rumor that she is Grace’s mother. There is a very powerful Filipino belief that a mother can’t ever deny her daughter, or she will go to the deepest recesses of hell.” – by RIGOBERTO D. TIGLAO
http://www.manilatimes.net/why-does-poe-refuse-to-take-a-dna-test-with-marcos-jr/244986/
leona says
Atty. Rene-Ipil, puede ba ULITIN mo ang detalye ng “mayroon nang post sa blog ni maam raissa na walang pelikulang ginawa ni rosemarie around that conceiving months.” ni
Kalakala’s?
he he
moonie says
kalakala, how would susan know about pregnancy? she has never been pregnant.
besides, maliit yata nagbuntis si rosemarie at hindi halatado, maliit din kasi si grace. so cute, sabi nga rin ni imee marcos recently.
I could not recall susan and rosemarie living together in the same house in 1968, both are rich enough to own houses. susan could not have known what rosemaries was up to, texting was not vogue nuon, walang cellphones. they could not always be together, susan has filming to do paminsan sa location pa at malayo. and rosemarie could not be hanging around when ronnie was courting susan. awkward, e. magmumukhang ang dalawang magkakapatid ay siyang ka-date ni ronnie. yayks!
kalakala says
moonie, tanong kahapon ni manang susan sa taga lapaz market: “IF SHE isn’t Filipino, how did Sen. Grace Poe land in the Philippines?”
dapat alam nya kasi sya iyong nakalagay sa birth certificate as a mother so very sure sya kung papaano NAG LAND SA MUNDO at hindi sa moon si mgp.
vibora says
the “tribune of the people” seems evasive when cornered, by AJ Carpio.
Mel says
Mr Tribune to pointed questions of SC AJ Carpio on the 1934 Con Con re foundling’s non inclusion to the 1935 Constitution: ‘It depends’, ‘It depends’, ‘It depends’,
Then later on, ‘I assume’ says Mr Tribune.
That’s a good headline for the herald.
rOSARIO says
then forms should have words “born to/adopted by” re the form. so the filer will not have confusion.
Mel says
SC CJ on interpelating CC Lim on GPL’s info on BID form.
It appears CJ Sereno is harassing CC Lim.
kalakala says
just sharing with everybody what my childhood friend and i recalled during our first days at school. noong nasa grade one kami during our class our teacher asked: what is your father’s name? what is your mother’s name? first, she asked our teacher: maam my real father and mother or legal father and mother? kasi alam nyang adopted child sya ng ate ng kanyang nanay.
rOSARIO says
pinagsisiksikan ni CJ Sereno ang disadvantages ng pag pull-out ni GP sa mga anak nya from U.S. school to enrol in Phil. schools.
how about questioning the citizenship of the husband? STILL an american citizen? an avenue of going back to the states anytime they wish too. and becoming a U.S. citizen again.
so freaking what about those stuff pounds of brought to the Philippines? anybody who moved does the same thing if they do not want to leave the stuff behind or have a yard sale. or put it on a storage.
rOSARIO says
Poe-Llamanzares Vs. Comelec 5th Oral Arguments G.R. No. 221697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qlk5JaZAyY&feature=youtu.be
pang limang ORAL argyumento sa korte suprema ng GPoe bersus Comelec.
mag uumpisa na.
tatlong minuto na lang.
Mel says
SG Florin Ternal Hilbay speaking on borrowed time (currently more than 20 minutes already).
zzzzhhhhh …
Mel says
paraphrasing (non verbatim)
‘All foundlings are natural born citizens in all constitutions. – Florin T. Hilbay, Solicitor General
kalakala says
OH lala… “ALL FOUNDLINGS” …ALL.. ALL…is this the result of too much pressure?
Mel says
most likely the SG was in a pressure cooker to formulate that kind of a deluded opinion.
kalakala says
comm lim to cj sereno: “i am not finish of my sentence your honor” ;-D ang galing ng bakbakan hurry to comm lim!
Mel says
on SC case coquilla et al (misspelling not intended)
both have different recollection, unsynch interpretatio on jurisprudence.
sabi ni CJ, pakitagalog daw ni CC Lim ang ‘material misrepresentation’.
at least bati sila sa ‘pagsisinungaling’ ni GPL.
kalakala says
cj sereno to comm lim we are running around the circle… who is/are running around the circle? i think cj already heard her voice during the previous hearings.
kalakala says
comm lim to cj sereno: your honor let me respectfully invoke your own ruling.
Mel says
‘we are basically saying …’ – SC CJ
very simplistic ang postura, MISMO.
Mel says
‘a 40 foot container can contain an office and the whole house’ – SC CJ
rOSARIO says
hahahaha
akala ko, ako lang ang nakatulog hahahaha
wala akong naintindihan sa kanya.
Mel says
The Tribune of the people (Solicitor General) cites statistics blah, blah, blah … with SC J Bersamin
Which statistics is that Mr Tribune? Originator, subjects … ? Baka naman poll surveys, rebranded as references for his statistics.
Now SC J de Castro is asking Mr Tribune which statistics are you referring of?
Mel says
Am I misrepresenting Mr Tribune?
On statistics, use of ‘common sense’ daw.
Coming from a Yale, UP graduate!!!
Mel says
Sanitized ID docu.
GPL’s supporting docu for repatriation under RA 9225, she used her passport, not her amended Birth Certificate. Which was was amended only two months before repatriation, years after adoption to FPJ & SR.
Mel says
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/765302/solgen-to-sc-no-evidence-in-3-ph-constitutions-denying-foundlings-of-citizenship
baycas says
Statistics as defined and etched in the 1934 Con-Con (aka the founding, without an “L,” fathers) deliberations:
– Foundlings are few and far between, AND
– Majority decided to disregard a Constitutional provision in favor of the foundlings
Now, Hilbay et al is probably ‘statisticizing’ that the founding fathers are actually the foundlings’ fathers by stating that ALL our Constitutions say that foundlings are natural-born Philippine citizens.
Mel says
very tantalizing!
heh he heh
very, very illegitimate
(from a mindset of a soliciting heneral)
no love lost. Mr Tribune wasn’t even a counsel for either parties.
baycas says
Sereno added the ‘tantalizingly statisticizing’ government lawyer in the oral arguments for the sake of gaining further the lawyerly-accomplished appeal to emotion.
baycas says
This is one e-mo-tion I like…
[VIDEO]
http://youtu.be/nbC8OvM4fr8
kalakala says
pero na patunayan na na e. militar the founding is not the foundling father
vibora says
Solicitor General to Tribune of the People to Statistics General.
rOSARIO says
Poe-Llamanzares Vs. Comelec 5th Oral Arguments G.R. No. 221697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qlk5JaZAyY&feature=youtu.be
pang limang ORAL argyumento sa korte suprema ng GPoe bersus Comelec.
mag uumpisa na.
Mel says
SC AJ Carpio interpellating CC A Lim.
Picking on the ‘born to’ clause in the BID form which was filled and signed by GPL. This clause was picked upped by SC J de Castro in the previous Oral Hearings.
SC AJ Carpio’s gave emphasis on this which alleviated both SC Justices above par. Both have given material attention to details, not only in form but in the wordings (text content) of Oath of allegiances (for US citizenship, repatriation of Oath for Dual Citizenship with PHL) undertaken by GPL.
parengtony says
On the eve of the final session (?) of the oral arguments on the Poe DQ case:
“TWO VIEWS are polarizing the justices of the Supreme Court in the disqualification cases against presidential candidate Grace Poe. The first seems to advocate a very rigid interpretation of the law governing Poe’s citizenship; the other, a more liberal and charitable approach.
By the “letter of the law” is the way to go for Justices Antonio Carpio, Teresita Leonardo-de Castro and Arturo Brion (who have adamantly refused to inhibit themselves despite ethical constraints as dissenters to the majority decision of the Senate Electoral Tribunal deeming Poe a natural-born Filipino citizen); and by the “spirit of the law” for Justice Marvic Leonen (“Poe finds a champion in the Supreme Court, News, 1/21/16). Which interpretation should prevail in resolving that issue that arose from the Commission on Elections’ decision barring Poe from her presidential run for not being a natural-born Filipino?
With due respect, we fail to see how “interpretation” should be a matter of choice in those cases. The truth is, there is NO LAW that can be made subject of any statutory construction! The Constitution says nothing—and Congress has not enacted any law—on the citizenship of a foundling found in the Philippines! While the Constitution considers infants born of Filipino parents as natural-born citizens (jus sanguinis), it is totally silent about infants found in the Philippines who are of unknown parents.
Yet, most intriguingly, all those who voted against Poe being deemed a natural-born Filipino nevertheless agree that she is still a Filipino despite her being of no known parents. And on what is this mindset based? What else, but on the constitutional provision “adopting generally accepted principles of international laws as part of the law of the land,” one of which being that foundlings are deemed citizens of the country they are found (jus soli)!
Be that as it may, the citizenship issue now before the Supreme Court is whether or not Poe “deliberately lied” when she said in her certificate of candidacy that she is a “natural-born” Filipino. That is really a no-brainer! It is axiomatic that where difficult questions of law are involved, honest mistakes in one’s understanding of it are excusable. In light then of the fact that even the Supreme Court justices are themselves in disagreement about the correct citizenship status of a foundling—and there is in fact no jurisprudence relating precisely to that issue—how could the Comelec be so sure—nay, cocksure—that Poe was not a natural-born citizen and that she lied when she said she was? Evidently, the election commissioners had acted more popish than the Pope! And if that wasn’t blatant “grave abuse” of discretion or plain stupidity on their part, we don’t know what is!
—ROGELIO S. CANDELARIO, [email protected]
leona says
On FB. . . affirm YOU will be RORO! Keep it UP as MANY as you CAN OTHERS’ fb.
Give your BEST SHORT shot to TELL on it.
Don’t LEAVE any one BEHIND.
This is the CYBERSPACE of a CHANCE on Internet.
I started it ALREADY!
What ABOUT YOU. . . !
parengtony says
On the eve of the final session (?) of the oral arguments on the Poe DQ case:
“TWO VIEWS are polarizing the justices of the Supreme Court in the disqualification cases against presidential candidate Grace Poe. The first seems to advocate a very rigid interpretation of the law governing Poe’s citizenship; the other, a more liberal and charitable approach.
By the “letter of the law” is the way to go for Justices Antonio Carpio, Teresita Leonardo-de Castro and Arturo Brion (who have adamantly refused to inhibit themselves despite ethical constraints as dissenters to the majority decision of the Senate Electoral Tribunal deeming Poe a natural-born Filipino citizen); and by the “spirit of the law” for Justice Marvic Leonen (“Poe finds a champion in the Supreme Court, News, 1/21/16). Which interpretation should prevail in resolving that issue that arose from the Commission on Elections’ decision barring Poe from her presidential run for not being a natural-born Filipino?
With due respect, we fail to see how “interpretation” should be a matter of choice in those cases. The truth is, there is NO LAW that can be made subject of any statutory construction! The Constitution says nothing—and Congress has not enacted any law—on the citizenship of a foundling found in the Philippines! While the Constitution considers infants born of Filipino parents as natural-born citizens (jus sanguinis), it is totally silent about infants found in the Philippines who are of unknown parents.
Yet, most intriguingly, all those who voted against Poe being deemed a natural-born Filipino nevertheless agree that she is still a Filipino despite her being of no known parents. And on what is this mindset based? What else, but on the constitutional provision “adopting generally accepted principles of international laws as part of the law of the land,” one of which being that foundlings are deemed citizens of the country they are found (jus soli)!
Be that as it may, the citizenship issue now before the Supreme Court is whether or not Poe “deliberately lied” when she said in her certificate of candidacy that she is a “natural-born” Filipino. That is really a no-brainer! It is axiomatic that where difficult questions of law are involved, honest mistakes in one’s understanding of it are excusable. In light then of the fact that even the Supreme Court justices are themselves in disagreement about the correct citizenship status of a foundling—and there is in fact no jurisprudence relating precisely to that issue—how could the Comelec be so sure—nay, cocksure—that Poe was not a natural-born citizen and that she lied when she said she was? Evidently, the election commissioners had acted more popish than the Pope! And if that wasn’t blatant “grave abuse” of discretion or plain stupidity on their part, we don’t know what is!
—ROGELIO S. CANDELARIO, [email protected]
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kalakala says
Tatad to SC: Unmask pro-Poe businessman, politician ‘pressuring’ justices
from: gmanetwork.com/news/story/555344/news/nation/tatad-to-sc-unmask-pro-poe-businessman-politician-pressuring-justices#sthash.HxmVO2mj.dpuf
uprightbike says
Denial stage?
It is really hard to accept survey results if the results were not favorable to one’s desired candidates.
From outright rejection of the result to questioning the basis of the surveys.
We are all sorry but opinions polls have been elevated to almost exact science and it is at the height hypocrisy if we reject the results outright just because we do not like the results.
As they say, one can always ignore surveys to his own peril.
I remember one of the presidential candidates in the 1998 elections always questioning the validity of surveys parroting the usual line that 1,200 respondents can’t possibly reflect the will of the rest of the electorate. Erap was at 40 percent then while he was at 10 percent.
I voted for that losing candidate although I was disappointed with his reasoning regarding the validity of surveys.
He was one of the brightest politicians at that time and was connected with a big company before entering politics so I was sure then that he was aware that surveys have scientific basis.
Now, I am afraid that Roxas, if not him, his supporters, are committing the same mistake.
Wake up Roxas, and RoRo supporters. It is not easy to accept the truth, but denying it instead of doing something to be more acceptable to the electorate is the shortest route to defeat.
There is still time, but time is running out. Fast.
Months ago, there was a clamor for Roxas to be more forceful and I believed in the validity of the call.
Some RoRo supporters insisted that Roxas has nothing to change but his static poll numbers perhaps, prodded his campaign staff to repackaged Roxas as a more forceful leader. But I think it was too late.
The name of the game now is how many promises you can make to the electorate.
Still the puritans of the RoRo supporters disagreed and they rely only to the noble belief that the electorate will change heart and will vote RoRo come May 9, 2016.
I think it will not happen, unless Roxas promises heaven to the electorate.
As I said, if crooked politicians can fool the people with promises, good politicians can do the same.
The necessary evil against the prospect of electing crooked and corrupt politicians.
vibora says
Roxas ala Osmena?
“Teodoro M. Kalaw, a follower of Osmeña, quoted Manuel L. Quezon as having said to Osmeña in 1922 that “The problem with you is that you take the game of politics too seriously. You look to far behind you and too far ahead of you. Our people do not understand that. They do not want it. All they want is to have the present problem solved, and solved with the least pain. That is all.”
http://www.quezon.ph/2015/12/18/the-presidency-and-the-crisis-of-modernity/
uprightbike says
That is why you have to promise everything. It is the fastest and least painful. For if you promise, no matter how impossible it is, it will spur hope.
Roxas, do what the rest is doing. You have to win.
The trouble with some people, especially the “intelligent ones”, is that they always fail to apply the fruit of their analyses and tend to romanticize it.
“Intelligent voters” know that majority of the people are gullible.
So what are we waiting for. Fool them. Enough of this principled campaign.
We want to win. Not to become saints.
Lay says
I hope SecMar Roxas or whoever near him can read this and relay it to him. There is no way you can win in the Philippine election if you are honest. Yes, promise them the stars and the moon for now, and when you Sec Mar Roxas wins… Then, start the “daang matuwid”.
Claire says
Mar’s number is in double digit, far from the sad single digit he was sporting before. Even Leni is catching up.
They have a chance. RORO will win.
And I am still betting on the fact that the president is still like by the general populace and him campaigning for his team will help secure mar and leni’s win.