By Raïssa Robles
Was it just a slip of the tongue that Imee Marcos, daughter of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos committed on national TV this morning? Or did it reveal the family’s true intentions?
I was watching the Ilocos Norte governor do a one-on-one with Karen Davila on ABS-CBN’s ANC this morning, about why her father should be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani at Isang Magnanakaw – at least that is what is now called on Google Maps for everyone to see.
The cemetery for deceased soldiers, presidents, etc. is now called Cemetery for Heroes and One Thief on the online Map of Google.
Governor Imee tried to assure Karen that burying Marcos at Libingan would not automatically make him a hero. That was not the intention of the family, she said. She told Karen – “All we want is a hero’s, a, soldier’s burial.”
Oops.
I hope ABS-CBN will extract that portion of the video and replay it.
Amid this brouhaha over whether or not to bury a long dead corpse in Libingan, the following relevant question needs to be asked – how many times does the same body have to be “buried” in order to consider it buried?
The dictator was already supposed to have been buried as far back as 1993. Before the burial, the body was even given military honors befitting a soldier – in Marcos’ case, the rank of Major.
See my story –
Marcoses broke promise to bury FM’s body at once in Ilocos – Fidel Ramos >
But the Marcoses did not bury the body. They kept it all dolled up like a full-size “Ken” doll and on display.
It’s quite interesting how Imee Marcos tried to dodge the question posed by Karen (which she said she had obtained from social media) whether the “body” on display was fake and the real one already buried. Why did Imee hem and haw and not simply say at once – that’s the body of my father?
I think those opposing Marcos’ burial at Libingan can file a motion for reconsideration with the Supreme Court and use this video to petition the court to have the body examined for genuineness.
How much of that body is actually real?, based on Imee’s answer.
On another point, the Marcoses have effectively convinced the public that a group of people who dislike the Marcoses are against a Marcos burial and are preventing him from being buried.
People have actually told me – “e di ilibing na yan para lang matapos ang usapan.” (Just bury it to end all discussions.)
THAT PERCEPTION IS SO WRONG.
VERY WRONG.
It is the Marcoses who have REFUSED for over 20 years to bury the corpse of their father. Because they insist that he will only be buried at the Heroes Cemetery.
The Marcoses have been practicing necro-politics all these years. They have held two presidents hostage (Fidel Ramos and Joseph Estrada) and extracted from a third president (Rodrigo Duterte) the same promise of political and/or financial support during the elections, in exchange for a hero’s burial.
I suggest you watch the entire episode of Imee Marcos with Karen Davila. It will be shown again this weekend.
Meanwhile here below are some of the relevant articles on the Marcos burial issue:
Part I: Fidel Ramos told me Imelda Marcos waived burial at Libingan, a state funeral and full military honors ˃
Marcos’ proof for his war medals was a book on goldfish and plants >
Thank you, ABS-CBN, GMA, Sunstar, & Malaya for picking up my story that Imelda Marcos already waived a hero’s burial for Ferdinand Marcos in 1993
Malacañang reacts to my story on Imelda Marcos waiving Libingan burial & full military honors for Ferdinand Marcos
Fool military honors for Ferdinand Marcos? Yes, oh yes!
helena says
Philippines is the fisrt victim the the U.S. ..who’s next…
http://interaksyon.com/article/134204/social-media-and-fake-news–how-trump-bypassed-hostile-media-to-deliver-his-message
Gems Vann says
Duterte is beneath the dignity and professionalism of Trump in terms of the presidency of a country.
Assessing the winning margin of Trump.
Trump won because from both protest and selective votes.
Before election the campaign of Hillary was Anti-Trump, that is vote against a racist and misogynist. She was asking for protest votes against Trump but forgot that her closet skeletons was contentious with protest votes.
Selective (educated)voters knew all along the election was about the Known and Unknown in governance. Clinton is known to be possibly corrupt while Trump was untested. Everyone was aware that the Clintons enriched themselves while in office thru their cronies(Travel and Whitewater gates) and thru conflict of interest by accepting fees and donations (Clinton Foundation and Sec of State). Trump was falsely accused to be tax evader (a law breaker by non-declaring income) because he did not break the tax law with his use of loophole deducting itemized business losses in filing taxes. Educated voters analyzed the comparisons. Trump garnered a high percentage of Selective voters in rural areas, including women over Hillary.
Protesters are either Democrats who hate the Clintons or are anti woman president. Democrats did not come in droves to vote compared to 2012 numbers of Obama votes. Republicans out maneuvered the Democrats in bringing out the rural votes while Democrats failed in bringing out large numbers of urban votes especially the non college graduates group. Trump trounced Clinton on this latter group based on post election stats.
I chose Trump in the booth for 2 reasons:
First, to stop the Clintons believing they enriched themselves using govt clout meaning they are corrupt like Binay family while Trump is untested and secondly as anathema to Duterte knowing that if Duterte cusses Trump and the US, Trump will angrily answer Duterte with unprintable cursing words. Duterte will be a silent lamb against Trump( Mark these words). Though Trump and Duterte are similar only with foul mouth their contrast could be discerned easily. Duterte acted like a goon tainting the dignity of the office of the president after his election. He was vindictive against enemies like DeLima and sought troubles for personal reason from friendly allies treating them as enemies like US and UN heads while Trump softened his behavior, offering olive branches to his enemies and rendered dignity to the office of the president with professional mannerism in words and actions. Facts don’t lie on Duterte and Trump
Watch the video of Trump and his entire family all dressed up looking very professional and dignified at 3AM accepting on stage his election; then compare any video of Duterte in official matters like trooping the military wearing dungarees and shirts.
Attire may not make the intelligence and capability of a leader but appearance tells the story of the professionalism, dignity and behavior of a person in higher office. Duterte will never be a role model to aspiring children.
Duterte apologists are paying reporters now to publish likening Duterte to Trump. So obvious that they are actually just revealing that Duterte is unprofessional compared to Trump
He he he
Johnny Lin
moonie says
I have yet to see trump chewing gum in public. si lee kwan yew nuon that digong was compared to, then hitler, and now trump. weak personalities are like that, cannot stand on their own kaya they have got to sakay on the wagons of others. nakisakay kay kay lee kwan yew si digong and was rejected, poor imitation of a passenger siya, then on to hitler, kaso wala siya sa kalingkingan, hindi mahilig nagmumura si hitler at respectful of women pa, and joking was not part of hitler’s political repertoire. kay trump naman, digong has no 1st lady as beautiful as melania trump, did not have the business acumen trump possessed and did not have a powerful political nemesis as hilary. si de lima ang inaaway whose rank is much lower.
really, digong is better off defining himself rather than spent lot of time trying to be somebody else, and failing miserably. he is wasting too much time singing and traveling overseas instead of running the country and making it better. susma, digong went all the way to malaysia only to karaoke!
akala ko traveling and experience make for good teacher, but with digong, traveling only served to make him big spender, the experience gained in his travels only reinforced his little-mindedness.
Carla Aboleda says
This is one of the characteristics of a Filipino I am not proud of. The crab mentality is viral. Isa ito sa kailangang magamot sa society. Matagal na problema to.
wbar says
JavaJunkie88
11:12 AM GMT+0300 [Edited]
Trump – This is Donald
XI -Trump this is Pres XI
Trump – Good Evening Boss How are You?
XI – Trump you still owe us a lot of money but we’re proud of you
I’ve some assignments for you when you get into office!
Until then don’t do anything Stupid The Boys in the Politburo still can’t believe you’ve won
Did the Russians hack the election – oh it doesn’t matter I call you in Feb and tell you what to do.
Goodbye
Trump – Good bye Sir
leona says
Dissenting opinion by J. Leonen:
Ferdinand E. Marcos is no hero. He was not even an exemplary public officer.
He is not worthy of emulation and inspiration by those who suffer poverty as a result of the opportunity lost during his administration, by those who continue to suffer the trauma of the violations to the human dignity of their persons and of their families.
He is certainly not worthy of emulation and inspiration by those in public service, including the lawyers, judges, and justices who simply want to do what is right, protect others, and conscientiously and diligently protect public funds entrusted to them.
Page 2 Dissenting opinion.
http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/pdf/web/viewer.html?file=/jurisprudence/2016/november2016/225973_leonen.pdf
leona says
Portion of the Dissenting opinion by CJ Sereno –
The question I now pose to my colleagues in the Majority: “Are we not, by refusing to pass upon the question of the effects of the Marcos burial at the LMB, encouraging authoritarianism, plunder, and the violation of human rights, by signaling that what Marcos and his Martial Rule represents is not anathema?
Page 12, same Link.
leona says
Portion of dissenting opinion by J. Carpio
Assuming that Marcos was qualified to be interred at the LNMB as a Medal of Valor Awardee, and as a former President of the Philippines and Commander-in-Chief, he ceased to be qualified when he was ousted from the Presidency by the non-violent People Power Revolution on 25 February 1986.
AFPR G 161-375, which respondents rely on to justify the interment of Marcos at the LNMB, specifically provides that “personnel who were dishonorably separated/reverted/discharged from the service” are not qualified to be interred at the LNMB. Marcos, who was forcibly ousted from the Presidency by the sovereign act of the Filipino people, falls under this disqualification.
Page 3 same Link
leona says
Portion of dissenting opinion by J. Caguioa
The ponencia holds that President Duterte’s decision to have the remains interred at the LNMB involves a political question that is not a justiciable controversy. I disagree.
Page 2, Dissenting Opinion
Same Link
For all the reasons stated, the directive to inter former President Marcos in the LNMB constitutes grave abuse of discretion amounting to lack or excess of jurisdiction for being in violation of: (1) Presidential Proclamations 86 and 208, (2) PD 105, (3) RA 10066, (4) RA 10086, (5) AFP Regulations G 161-375 and (6) RA 10368, which is tantamount to a violation of Article II, Section 11 of the Constitution.
When all is said and done, when the cortege led by pallbearers has reached the plot in the LNMB dedicated to the newest “hero” of the land and the coffin containing what is claimed to be the remains of former President Marcos has been finally buried in the ground or entombed above ground, this DISSENT, along with the dissents of the Chief Justice and Justices Carpio and Leonen, will be a fitting eulogy to the slaying of the might of judicial power envisioned in the 1987 Freedom Constitution by the unbridled exercise of presidential prerogative using vox populi as the convenient excuse.
Above all, this is a tribute to the fallen, desaparecidos, tortured, abused, incarcerated and victimized so that the dictator could perpetuate his martial rule, and to those who fought to attain the freedom which led to the very Constitution from which this Court derives the power to make the decision that it reached today -that their sacrifices, sufferings and struggles in the name of democracy would be duly acknowledged and immortalized.
Page 58, Dissenting opinion
moonie says
judges dont always get it right, that’s why we have revolts and revolutions and judges get hang out to dry like tuyong isda, he, he, he, tinapa! ginamos at maos pa. seriously, what’s the point of being judges if you cannot serve your own interest? and further you own agenda and causing dissent among the populace?
and the 9 judges who have given pass for makoy to pollute libingan are being dissenters themselves of what is right and just. and what do the 9 judges get out of it? a show of force that they have the number to get what it takes, rightly or wrongly. it’s nothing to do with justice now.
leona says
I like this phrase @moonie you made:
and the 9 judges who have given pass for makoy to pollute libingan are being dissenters themselves of what is right and just.
The 9 judges [Justices] are dissenters. Where did they dissent?
On Page 56 of the Decision by the SC, in this Second specific PARAGRAPH, it says to begin and admit:
It is undeniable that former President Marcos was forced out of office by the people through the so-called EDSA Revolution. Said political act of the people should not be automatically given a particular legal meaning other than its obvious consequence -that of ousting him as president. xxx
The 9 majority refuses to give the ‘act’ of the people any meaning, political or otherwise. It uses the word ‘people’ So, by ‘people’ it meant the ‘sovereign people.
But as the end of this PARAGRAPH, in conclusion the 9 majority Justices states it this way:
x x x If the Court is not to fall into the pitfalls of getting embroiled in political and oftentimes emotional, if not acrimonious, debates, it must remain steadfast in abiding by its recognized guiding stars -clear constitutional and legal rules -not by the uncertain, ambiguous and confusing messages from the actions of the people.
The 9 majority Justices considered the ‘act of the sovereign people’ as ‘uncertain, ambiguous and confusing messages from the actions of the people.’
Is that finding or conclusion correct? Uncertain? Ambiguous? Or Confusing? Was that act by the people rather not certain, clear and understandable?
So, you are correct to say the 9 majority Justices dissented from a clear, certain and understandable actions of the people when former President Marcos was forced out of office by the people through the so-called EDSA Revolution.
Forcing Marcos out of office was then not a ‘x x x treacherous and perilous path of having to make choices from multifarious inferences or theories arising from the various acts of the people. – as pronounced oppositely by the ‘9 dissenting Justices’.
In the honest final conclusion, the 9 majority of the Court did not do much to recognize as crucial and very important the forcing out of Marcos from office by the people at EDSA.
lydia says
We are getting closer to martial law environment, with Duterte’s warning that he might be forced to suspend the writ of habeas corpus because of the state of lawlessness in the country, He again blamed the Lima for the widespread drug situation.
moonie says
panakot ni digong yang martial law, his way of enforcing people to obey him and to behave. it’s really hard to obey and behave sa current situation ng bayan, to keep quiet and not say anything when there’s so much killing around, the value of piso is pababa ng pababa, traffic is horrible and prices of commodities are going higher.
if digong declares martial law, I think, he’ll be first to feel the heat wave and will get more than migraine. already, nahihirapan siyang mamuno at palaging wala sa bayan, anduon sa ibang bansa, forum dito, forum duon, and at the same time, spending more and more money and not getting good returns.
if there is martial law, after the 1st few weeks, people will become complacent and back to doing what it is they do best: pasaway, they have nothing worth living for kasi. medyo manhid na yata. digong will just have to re-declare martial law and hope people will listen anew. he, he, he, baka in desperation and because people are masyadong pasaway na, digong will immigrate to america and live with donald trump.
Jackie Dawkins says
Heroes are defined and honoured for their valour, bravery, and fortitude, and often possessed blatant disregard for their own safety–their own life– for the sake of the “greater good” of what they fight for.
Oh, no doubt Marcos fought against the Japanese. It was his duty to do so, alongside other Filipinos at the time of the Japanese Occupation. His prolonged stint as a president is not something to be debated about either.
But there is one pivotal requirement that is pivotal in the definition of “hero”.
Their values. Their moral conduct.
Their duty as protectors and leaders of their fellowmen.
In granting unjustifiable immunity to the military, effectively silencing the media on his and their illicit exploits, and methodically culling opposing factions and enemies of his regime, Marcos knowingly and willingly allowed the MASSACRE OF HIS OWN PEOPLE. The soldier “Major Marcos” might’ve had his fair share of spilling Japanese blood, but he made it rain Filipino blood in his country for more than a decade, effectively eclipsing his lauded credentials as a defender of the Philippines.
Hell, Marcos even lied about his wartime credentials. Not only that, he also lied about the pecuniary concerns of the country. The burgeoning economy he flaunted, on further analysis and inspection of experts in years following his reign, revealed that he had effectively plunged the Philippines into crippling debt in addition to discoveries of corruption within his system.
Irreverent to the lives of his countrymen, an inveterate liar, a manipulator, a thief– this man did not deserve the honourable and noble title of “hero”, no matter how much he had “met the qualifications” to be considered worthy to lie alongside those who are a hundred times more worthy than him.
moonie says
I think, for makoy to be denied burial sa libingan, his medal of valor ought to be revoked. radical step but possible. new and official representation to war tribunal responsible for the awarding of medal of valor needs to be initiated, and depending on the finding, makoy’s medal maybe officially revoked, his being honoree junked forever. as a result, veterans may have to clean up their honor roll, remove makoy’s name from list of awardees, for all posterity.
else year in and year out, hanggang complain lang tayong lahat, palaging sa square one and not going anywhere.
as long as makoy’s medal of valor is not offficially revoked, his name not taken out from list of awardees, his family will continue to harp on about his being truly great and deserving of honorable burial sa libingan.
Jackie Dawkins says
That’s just sad. So according to qualifications, his military exploits (as least, the ones that are legitimate truths) as a soldier apparently weighed more than his principal duties as the President?
… To be fair, it seemed to help ease their conscience to flaunt his name as the “soldier”; a man who helped in staving off invaders during the wars. As opposed to being credited as the “president” who had his own people murdered.
moonie says
what I find questionable is the attitude of the military and that of veterans affairs. nagbubulagbulagan sila. alam nilang ang qualifications ni makoy ay may bahid na kasinungalingan, and yet, did not lift a finger and find out the truth of the matter. parang there are in it together, roque soldiers et al. rotten apples et al. all mixed together.
and they call themselves – outstanding.
Ken.A.Ford says
I totally agree… the attitude of military and veterans affairs ay nagbubulagbulagan… bakit ba nila ginagaya si Pnoy na walang nakikitang mali na included si Macoy sa AFP Hall of Heroes… Katulad yata sila ng mga Aquino… mga kasabwat sa paglilinlang….
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/217569/news/nation/palace-sees-no-issue-in-marcos-inclusion-in-afp-hall-of-heroes
moonie says
too hard basket, people in those days were probly thinking along the line of too hard basket. pagod na sila, hapo na sila and cant all be solving all problems past and present, and leaving the new generation with nothing much to do except do drugs, he, he, he, and being lawless!
challenge yan ng new generation ngayon, whether to perpetuate tradition or challenge it. it’s their call.
Rolly says
Marcos’ military exploits is tainted with his solicitous tendency for quick bucks…illegally most of the time.
leona says
Jackie Dawkins. . . Jackie Dawkins… I r’mber you…passenger of Titanic!
You gave out something titanical about Marcos! How right you are. Thanks.
:-)
Rolly says
Oh, no doubt Marcos fought against the Japanese
That statement is highly disputable. Marcos may have fought for the enemies not against, for his father was reportedly killed by guerillas for being a japanese collaborator.
sam says
Pa excuse medyo out of topic
Pati pala si Aguirre na ilibre ni pacquiao. Wow he is the Secretary on Justice and a lawyer, he should know about Republic Act 6713.
Pero bakit si Bato lang ang inimbestigahan ng ombusman? Sec Pacquiao publicly admitted that he paid for their expeneses. Diba pati si Sen Pacquiao should be included in the investigation?
Ignorance of the Law is not an excuse
leona says
PNP Chief kasi admitted it.
Si Sec. Aguirre has not admitted anything on that. And he never will now. Abogado kasi siya.
Si Sen. Pacquiao did not receive or accept anything of value bla bla ba.
What is prohibited under RA 6713?
“(d) Solicitation or acceptance of gifts. – Public officials and employees shall not solicit
or accept, directly or indirectly, any gift, gratuity, favor, entertainment, loan or
anything of monetary value from any person in the course of their official duties or in
connection with any operation being regulated by, or any transaction which may be
affected by the functions of their office.” SEC. 7 of the Rep. Act.
It is in the first bold quote that may affect the highest cop.
Ingat kayo mga pulis at hindi mga pulis.
curveball says
Wala syang choice kundi umamin kasi kapag sinabi nya na sarili nya pera malaki-laki din ang gastos papunta duon.
Ticket, hotel room, ticket sa laban at meals (di pa kasali ang pasyal sa club, casino at shopping mall).
Sana nga ma-sampolan ito ng OMB para magingat ang mga politiko na mamigay at tumanggap ng regalo (pero sa tunay na kahulugan ay SUHOL).
leona says
I don’t like to say this but be very careful mga pulis pag akusatory yun tanong maski masaya ka, do not amin or Amen to incriminate oneself maski religious sin, venial ‘o mortal lalo na kung something illegal or a felony.
Be holy in the eyes of the people. It’s not time for mea culpa yet.
Antayin yun ‘last extreme unction’ ng Pari.
:-)
netty says
@ leona, I do not know the laws on burial rights and exhumation (every five years??) in the PH, but I found in some western cities , there are conditions that may put even relatives into some legal troubles, but I know how justice really works in the PH, AS USUAL :)
ex:
Torts
In the law of torts, there are a large number of cases involving the mishandling of corpses. These cases are concerned with mutilation, unauthorized disinterment, interference with proper burial, and other types of intentional disturbance. The breach of any duty as well as the unlawful invasion of any right existing with regard to a corpse is a tort for which an action may be commenced. For example, if the wrong body is delivered to a funeral home and the family discovers this when they attend the wake, they may be able to recover damages for mental suffering. Thus, the right of recovery is not necessarily based directly on injury to the corpse per se. Exemplary damages may be awarded in cases where the injury to plaintiffs was either malicious or resulting from gross negligence…
What if: CPMER’S view that the body is not there anymore, that it has been disrespectfully used now for other motive than decent burial and a demand for he roe’s recognition in conflict with the citizens wishes of the state?
So does it need another autopsy, exhumation for the umpteenth time to see if the right body /skeletons reside in the glass coffin?
Would it be permitted by the court and what would be the remedy if the body is just a wax figurine?
I have the opinion that the educated lawmakers and justices in the country are naive , but my husband quickly opposed saying, No, they are very smart … to mischief.
Rights of Particular Persons to Disinterment The surviving spouse or next of kin of a deceased person has the right to let the body remain undisturbed. This right, however, is not absolute and can be violated when it conflicts with the public good or when the demands of justice require it.
Also, the right to change the place of burial is not absolute, and the courts take various factors into consideration when deciding whether a body should be removed for burial elsewhere, such as the occurrence of unforeseen events. If an elderly woman’s husband died and was buried in New York and she subsequently moved to California, she might be allowed to have his remains removed to a different location to facilitate her visits to his grave.
The consent of the surviving spouse of a decedent to the decedent’s original resting place is another factor that the court will consider in determining whether a body may be disinterred, particularly if it is against the wishes of the next of kin. Once consent has been shown, the burial will usually not be disturbed in the absence of strong and convincing evidence of new and unforeseen events.
Rights to Disinterment
After a body has been buried, it is considered to be in the custody of the law; therefore, disinterment is not a matter of right. The disturbance or removal of an interred body is subject to the control and direction of the court.
The law does not favor disinterment, based on the public policy that the sanctity of the grave should be maintained. Once buried, a body should not be disturbed. A court will not ordinarily order or permit a body to be disinterred unless there is a strong showing of necessity that disinterment is within the interests of justice. Each case is individually decided, based on its own particular facts and circumstances.
I hope we would be enlightened by the dead.
Thanks Leona, Raissa.
leona says
Welcome! But the dead don’t make laws. The living enlightens us. Sorry.
Everywhere, Western countries or in the 50 States of the USA, they have different laws and procedures re the dead.
So, what counts is in what place (venue) is the subject matter of the dead about.
In the ‘Pinas, at our Libingan Ng Mga Bayani , if one follows the SC decision, even a brutal dictator can be buried at the LNMB without much ado.
As found out by our SC, the petitioners’ actions/causes of action are all without merit. Dismissed by the 9 majority votes.
So, it is not the dead who enlightens us about them but the living in our courts about the dead, for many reasons in the decision.
:-)
curveball says
@moonie,
Nagawa ko ng maglipat ng Buto ng father ko. From Manila to the nearby province. Hindi naman kami nahirapan kasi matagal na sya nakalibing kaya City Hall clearance/permit lang ang kailangan.
Pero ng mamatay ang mother ko at kailangan ilagak sa pareho pantyon ng grandmother ko kailangan ay minimum ng 5 years na nakalibing yung nasa pantyon bago lagyan or libingan ng isa pa bangkay.
Ngayon yan kay FM di ko alam kung ano clasification nya. Kasi di naman “bones” na. Pero hindi din fresh bangkay.
Nakakalito naman na bukod pa sa nakakagalit at nakakainis.
moonie says
high profile si makoy, medal of valor awardee kuno, and will be accorded what is due him. we have to be sure na talagang siya yong ililibing, hindi wax replica lang.
curveball, yong yumao nyo, sigurado kayo na talagang human remains ang mga iyon, whereas si makoy, hindi tayo nakakasegurado kung ano siya, whether alien, animal or other life form. libingan is for human remains, not for simulacrum made to look like makoy.
and if the marcoses are proactive and sincere, they’ll take the initiative and have makoy examined by medical examiner, then show us the result of the examination, that ought to silence skeptics.
VEG says
They never are, I mean proactive and sincere, if not to their best interest! They now have momentum on their side on this issue and can afford to sit tight and let their SC Lackey 9 (misspelling intended) parry whatever criticisms that may be forthcoming. More talk, more mistake as proven by Imee’s “slip of the tongue” during the interview with KD. Silence can be golden at times!!! Though not to the public’s benefit.
leona says
@curveball. . . wag kang malito!
Kay Marcos may ‘bones,’ pa, at ‘maraming chemicals’ [ sabi ng Gob. Imee], at ‘wax at waxies’ pa.
Anong ‘chemicals’ kaya?
Formaldehyde is one. Injection of 4 to 6 litres of an aseptic and sterilizing formaldehyde product. This procedure takes about one and a half hours to complete.
The preservation is perfect in 90% of the cases.
Use of dry ice (carbon dioxide ice).
Thanatopraxis or embalming consists of several techniques used to preserve and expose the mortal remains, with somatic care.
From the Greek “THANATOS”, the god of death and “PRAXIS”, practice.
Also ‘ glutaraldehyde, methanol’ and and other solvents.
Formalin. epsom salts. Arsenic for preservation.
Natron is a naturally occurring product frequently harvested from lake beds. (used by Egyptians)
The ancient Egyptians used palm wine as an agent to clean body cavities and any organs removed during embalming.
Cedar oil is referred to by several ancient sources including Diodorus and Herodotus, called “cedri succus” by Pliny and was injected into bodies of the deceased for embalming.
Bitumen is a naturally occurring asphalt deposit that was used by ancient Egyptians for embalming purposes.
Resin was used in the Early Dynastic Period and Old Kingdom before advanced embalming methods took shape to retain a molded form of the individual after the body decayed.
Many chemicals. . . said Gov. Imee.
Who knows one day in the future, like in ancient Egypt they call it ‘Valley of the Kings,’ we will have ‘Valley of Marcos’
:-(
moonie says
porbida, we are not burying tone-toneladang chemicals sa libingan! all compressed together in the one effigy. susma, if only makoy can talk, he would probly say, tama na! ayoko na! lutong-luto na ako sa chemicals! toxic and poisonous kaayo, sobrang poisonooooos, help!
chemicals and cosmetic aside, is there real human remains in chemically enhanced makoy? imee ought to show us X-ray, or ct scan of da apo bangkay, to convince us that there really is human remains within. that what they’re going to bury is not pahoy, pahoyan.
moonie says
the egyptian mummies were given funerary rites and were put to the ground and when unearth, were subjected to modern day scientific examinations and were found to be human remains of royalties. even their dna were tested and scientists managed to trace the lineage and genealogy of pharaohs and their descendants.
the same can be done on da apo bangkay, have it scientifically examined, unless imee has something to hide, the marcoses afraid to be found out that they have fooled the people all this time. made them believe it is makoy in the crypt when in fact, it is a fake in the crypt. the real makoy been consigned to the ground when no one was looking.
curveball says
@leona,
Wow! sa dami ng chemicals nya di kaya malusaw naman ang mga bangkay sa paligid nya?
Pero ang malaking tanong ko, paano nila ma-maintain ang ganyan “routine” para ma preserve ang “bangkay, buto, wax, etc”?
Kasi sa lugar nya ngayon pwede nila magawa yan sa gabi pag sarado na ang viewing room. Pero sa LNMB isasara din ba ang musuleyo? Close for re-enbalming, re-chemicaling? re-injecting?
Dahil kailangan nga tuloy-tuloy ang ganyan sa kanya or else isang araw damit na lang makita nawala na ang katawan (nahulas nga)
Please, enlighten me sa mga nakakaalam. May musuleyo ba? May 24/7 na guard ba sa loob or labas at sino gagastos nito? Naka close room ba para maintain ang temperature? May viewing time din ba para sa mga loyalista?
So ang tourist destination sa Ilokos ay lilipat na sa LNMB?
leona says
@curveball. . . paano nila ma-maintain ang ganyan “routine” para ma preserve ang “bangkay, buto, wax, etc”?
Pera lang yan. ‘Di na uubos yun Pera nila!
Sisgurado mayroon musulelyo. The biggest and most beautiful. How will it be maintain if there is none? Like a dark room for developing photos/pictures.
Yup! Security guards there will be to keep it safe. Who spends for all this? AFP, VA or the whole shebang government. It will be in the national budget every year henceforth.
There will be moments in ‘seconds’ when it shows a ‘changing’ a sign of decaying. That’s when re-injecting the chemicals will take place for hours and hours. BE THERE to watch it!
Tourists there will be a throng there for the Valley of Marcos
CNN, BBC Fox News etc. tv cameras for International broadcasts regularly.
BE THERE TO WATCH IT
:-)
drill down says
Pera lang yan. ‘Di na uubos yun Pera nila!
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right there is the evidence that there is no hero here but someone who abused his position.
moonie says
valley of marcos sa libingan, I am expecting a howard carter to excavate the remains of the apo bangkay, have exclusive rights to film and television if documentary is to be made. libingan will make millions in royalties, makoy will finally be able to repay his debts to the nation.
kaso, if howard carter unearth only a tub of wax and nothing more, lagot si imee.
sam says
@leona
I just read that Sec Aguirre paid daw for the expense by himself (kung sariling pera niya or hindi, we don’t know) but the big spender Senator confess publicly that he paid for some of the govt officials and he did mentioned Aguirre. Hindi naman siguro sinugaling itong senator. With Aguirre’s denial, na alala ko tuloy yon 3 monkeys (hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil)
curveball says
Kung nag deny si SOJ na nakatanggap sya ng all expenses paid trip sa LV, sino ang nagsisinuungaling, ang MP or SOJ? O baka naman binulsa ng middleman? Sana nga makasuhan din sya kung totoo para masampilan. Ang tanong ano na kaya histura ng justice system natin? Ang senador D5 kinasuhan ng DOJ. And OBM kinasuhan ang SOJ ang COP. Ang senador D5 kinasuhan ang Pgong. Nakakawa pero parang tanga at katawa kawa na ang bayan kong Pilipinas. Para ng circus sa dami ng kinasuhan… May mangyari kaya?
leona says
@sam. . . Sabi mo ‘Hindi naman siguro sinugaling itong senator.’
Baka nga. But when he fought weather-weather he said ‘He was very ready and A-1 condition siya.’ Only after losing he said was claiming he had a dislocated ROTOR on his right shoulder!
Did he lie or tell William Tell ‘d truth?
Anyway, the senator will have to execute a telling under oath if SOJ got his expenses from the senator. L vs L is whom to believe. That’s the Q.
But am sure the senator will not further any ‘confession’ kasi si Chief Bato may laban ngayun, 3 rounds with OMB! Senator ready to say
‘Quoted ako out of contest!’
he he he
moonie says
kung ordinaryong polis lang sana si bato, baka makalusot siya. kaso, chief siya ng kapolisan sa buong bansa, and the standard for him is high to very high. sort of above reproach at hindi kurap, a shining example for ordinary polis to emulate and follow. pero, kung corruptible pala siya, tanggap ng tanggap ng kahit anong pabuya, he has put his office and good name into disrepute.
down the track, and because napasubo siya, bato may return favor and will do what it is pacyaw asked of him. like, maybe, kill jinkee and say that she is drug addict, he, he, he, pakyaw has found a younger woman.
teresa tumbali says
but i thought i read in the same law that the giver of the gift is also sabit.
leona says
@teresa tumbali…sa BRIBERY baka sabit din yun giver.
But sa Code of Good Conduct and Ethics law, hindi kasama ang giver. He should be applauded for being good and kind. The receiver is baka sabit.
:-)
moonie says
yan din po ang alam ko, a bribe is not bribe unless accepted. you can bribe anyone, but if not accepted, no harm done.
Gems Vann says
Election of Trump and Duterte’s inadvisable rhetorics against US out the Pililippines on economic crossroads of uncertainty.
Two months ago when Duterte started voicing todistance Philippine alliance away from US, including belittling the assistance US had given the Philippines and its people for decades criticism on Duterte lured out. Rightfully so because, it portrayed the country as ungrateful.
In any form of extended kindness or generosity, it’s not the quantity of assistance that should be measured. Sincerity should take precedence in acknowledging gracious accommodation. Duterte was amissed damaging the cultural integrity of the Filipinos.
As posted then, Trump presidency is not good for Philippine economy because of Trump’s promised policy of bringing back jobs to the US. First to be targeted obviously are the booming BPO centers sprouting all over big cities around the Philippines. Along with these centers are new real estate ventures including small businesses benefitting from high salaried employees around BPO sites. Definitely, any proposed BPO center to be built will be placed on hold by American and foreign companies since US is 70% source of BPO incomes. Small business entities put up by new Filipino entrepreneurs like variety stores, food courts or bars would be affected by every unconstructed BPO center.
Next to be affected by Trump’s combined immigration and US economic growth policies is restriction of foreign B1 visa workers in computer and tech industries, meaning dollar remittance to loved ones by US employed OFWs will be limited.
Third to be affected is Philippine exports Trump’s trade policy to renegotiate any trade entities entered before by US. Since US has ASEANA trade policy which involves lower tariff to US of foreign goods the Philippines becomes the most vulnerable among ASEANA countries because of Duterte’s announcement that the Philippines does not need the US to improve economically.
Whatever Duterte says now about his acceptance of Trump’s character, fact remains he spoke too soon against US pointing to his lack of intelligence perfectly knowing that US will have a new administration, after Obama.
Duterte’s prejudice against black people (reason he maligned Obama) which Duterte and his men would arguably deny but it’s obviousness could not be contested, his personal feelings put the Philippines in bad economic position in the known economic policy of Trump during the campaign.
Duterte’s bad mouth destroyed the Philippines. Regaining alliance status with US is difficult to repair. Peso exchange is getting worst at 49peso/$1 Philippine stocks will continue to fall due to dearth of foreign investors and dumping of foreign assets while waiting for their cues on Trump’s economic policy. Drug prices in the Philippines will go up since we are very dependent on imported drugs for our healthcare(US pharma companies soared so high right after after Trump’s election). Construction materials sourced from other countries by Philippines will go up since these countries will prefer to export to US which Trump already indicated that he would increase infrastructures spending.
Lastly, Trump’s US international human rights policy to countries receiving US aid will not change, meaning the investigation of EJF in the Philippines will continue. Economic impact of this investigation from other countries aside from US becomes uncertain too. China and Russia will not save the way Duterte was assuring the Filipinos. Philippines is a very small fish for them to trade economically.
However we slice the economic pie of the Philippines, it’s direction is towards disaster for one reason, Duterte’s foul mouth.
What do we hear from Duterte and his boys now? Silence, wait and see, praising Trump to the point of declaring that Duterte has similar character like Trump. What doofus would even mention that comparison to attract attention? Who is the jackass laughing in Malacanang now?
Predicted so right from the start that Trump will be very bad news for Duterte. He he he!
Johnny Lin
lydia says
Since Duterte began cussing Obama, I had felt that he did it for two main reasons: First and foremost was because Obama is black, and this showed the discriminatory character of Duterte. Secondly, it was because Duterte could not accept the fact that, because of his foul mouth and disrespect to the US, Obama cancelled his meeting with him in Laos. That was an unforgivable insult for Duterte who is so used to the adulation and subservience of his lapdogs. As you said, Duterte is now sounding more conciliatory to Trump, saying that he and Trump can work well together. But the question is, would Trump have the desire to work with him, considering Trump’s arrogant and discriminatory character? Would Trump just turn a deaf ear to Duterte’s cussing and bigger than life ego? Ii is not far-fetched to think that if Duterte would dare to insult Trump, Trump would throw back the insult to Duterte tenfold.
If Clinton won, Duterte would most probably begin to cuss her like he did Obama. But this time, it would have been because she is a strong-willed white woman who is a staunch advocate of human rights.
netty says
Human rights? There”s a lot you haven’t seen/READ as to the sins of the woman.
Those emails are SHOCKING TO THE CORE. Pls. see foundation, missing children, Pizza parties and a lot more. MSM is not helpful either because of control and fraternity, reading same specie :)
Everything will come out or just be hidden under the carpet as usual because of the price of JUSTICE $$$ .. SAME ANYWHERE.
The next four years will be interesting to watch, NAFTA halt is now on a global journey.
http://rickwells.us/trump-already-begun-renegotiating-nafta-guy-gets-things-done/
“Society had become so fake that the truth actually bothers people… – Sad that this is true!”
Mel says
Thanks for that link @netty.
I read this too from the same link source –
– http://rickwells.us/clinton-election-night-mental-meltdown-crying-control-furious-others/
– Here’s a commentary at the same meldown, wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=_–2QfTIn90
HRC still at ‘IT’ even after loosing the election.
– beforeitsnewsDOTcom/alternative/2016/11/hillary-clinton-hiking-meeting-staged-all-fake-3437384.html
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US Pres-Elect DJ Trump, incoming Administration to join AIIB?
– US opposition to AIIB ‘strategic mistake’, says senior Trump adviser | South China Morning Post, wwwDOTscmpDOTcom/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2044829/us-opposition-aiib-strategic-mistake-says-senior-trump
Mel says
Thanks for that link @netty.
I read this too from the same link source –
– http://rickwells.us/clinton-election-night-mental-meltdown-crying-control-furious-others/
– Here’s a commentary at the same meldown, www .youtube .com/watch?v=_–2QfTIn90
Mel says
HRC still at ‘IT’ even after loosing the election.
– beforeitsnews .com/alternative/2016/11/hillary-clinton-hiking-meeting-staged-all-fake-3437384.html
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US Pres-Elect DJ Trump, incoming Administration to join AIIB?
– US opposition to AIIB ‘strategic mistake’, says senior Trump adviser | South China Morning Post, http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2044829/us-opposition-aiib-strategic-mistake-says-senior-trump
raissa says
Here is Mashable’s write-up on this
http://mashable.com/2016/11/10/hillary-clinton-hiking-photo/?utm_cid=mash-prod-email-topstories&utm_emailalert=daily&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily&utm_sid=543a33bc2912ffcc0c8b4eba#wJN04Ma5kmqb
Mel says
Hi Raïssa
Thank you for all that you do.
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Guys if you can just google search this text ‘mccann podesta’. With out the single quote of course.
Masosorpresa kayo. Several items of articles, news, bits & pieces.
Some of those links would lead you to news leaks from NYPD’s continuing investigation … to the discovery of criminal activities/behavior by US Rep. Anthony Weiner … found in his notebook computer (aside from podesta email leaks, Clinton Foundation’s RICO, racketeering pay for play schemes).
Who is Anthony Weiner? Answer, Husband to Longtime Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin.
Salamat din kay @netty.
leona says
Didn’t Hillary Clinton won. . . the POPULAR VOTES? But it’s a loser’s vote, sometime.
Why in the world did USA have such a ‘no count election voting’?
It will not be good here if we have that. There will be a nation-wide RIOT!
leona says
500,000 People Sign Petition Asking Electoral College to Pick Clinton as President Instead of Trump
headline yun sa Yahoo site.
What’s happening to these signers? Are they goin’ nuts?
https://us.yahoo.com/news/500-000-people-sign-petition-203109567.html
leona says
Look at this USA system of election:
The Electoral College – which was first introduced in 1804 – is comprised of 538 electors. Each state’s number of electors is decided by its number of members in Congress, which is dependent on the state’s population. So, when American citizens cast their ballots, they aren’t directly voting for president – they’re voting for electors. This year, Trump took 279, to Clinton’s 228.
Year 1804 and USA still doing it? My Gosh! One gets a ballot but there is no voting! ?
What is one doing at the voting booth? Casting a balut?
:-(
leona says
If California has 30 members in Congress (LH yun) then it has 30 delegates. And so with the other States in this system.
Looks like a pattern of Parliamentary system of government but is a Federal system unlike a unitary or centralized form of gov’t.
MPs elect the PM.
leona says
Trump Won Because Voters Are Ignorant, Literally
Is this true? What about here in ‘Pinas? It is true!
https://us.yahoo.com/news/m/9a2344e3-f5d1-3bdb-9f74-bc1e012b3d98/trump-won-because-voters-are.html
Mel says
@leona, mayruon pang 16 votes remaining (as of this writing).
http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/us-canada/us-elections/151697-2016-electoral-college-results
Mel says
Distribution of Electoral Votes (‘… allocated based on the Census’.)
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/allocation.html
Also click on the site link –
‘What is the Electoral College?’ found on the left column.
moonie says
I think, trump won because the people who are supposed to vote did not not vote. voting there is not compulsory.
many that voted for trump are sold on trump’s we want migrants in america, but only the right migrants!
yong mga nasa obamacare, the poor and the destitute, marami ang hindi bumoto. obama fought for them, give them much but did not return the favor. most stayed home and did not go out to vote, and obama’s candidate na si hilary clinto ay natalo tuloy. opinion ko lang po ito.
Mel says
Just out, final result –
Breaking: Final Election 2016 Numbers!, http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/11/beaking-final-election-2016-numbers-3438043.html
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#PopularVote: #Trump: 62,972,226 #Clinton: 62,277,750
#ElectoralCollege vote #Trump 306 #Clinton 232
Gems Vann says
pending final disposition by SC, plans could be made on how to retaliate at Marcos burial site at Libingan ng Mga Bayani at Isang Magnanakaw
Vandalize the grave frequently everyday!
Many ways to vandalize the grave site, throw feces, urine, destroy any decorative items. Never dig into the grave.
There is not yet a law against vandalism in graves. Since its in a government property it’s not restricted to access.
If there are security guards, threaten them or Thier families if they report to authorities until no security agency will guard the site. in this way, Marcos family would be forced to guard the place, but then continue the disrespect on the grave until the family surrenders to upkeep the site.
Since its only an ordinary soldier grave site, Marcsos family could not request for military protection of the site specifically.
This recommendation is similar to Duterte’s urging policemen to kill drug pushers and addicts.
Nothing illegal nor human rights violation according to Duterte doctrine
Calling all martial law victims families to exact revenge against Marcos physical body.
He he he
Johnny Lin
moonie says
tama yan, johnny lin. if supreme court cannot do the right thing, then the people will do the right thing. we tried to be nice and respectful and observed tamang procesoso and look where it get us? there is nothing tama about burying a medal of valor faker on the guise of burying a soldier, he is still faker. and this time, no more mr nice guy na tayo, mister bad guys na, all welcome.
uhm yong piss po, better if few days old, sobrang baho, sealed and to be opened only at makoy’s grave. that should quench his thirst. aqua piss! from dust to dust and to dust yous shall return, take that!
gotta practice running fast too. might outrun a makoy guard yet, the way I once outran a traffic cop who tried to fine me for jaywalking. tried also to streak nude in a soccer game pero, nahuli ako. dang! if many are running in different directions, guard will have hard time chasing.
may bagong sports in the offing ngayon, makoy would love that, he was pasaway when alive, now he is being pasaway-ed. uhm, I want to steal his cross with his name on it, that would be the medal I awarded to moi, the way makoy awarded himself the medal of valor. sa ka-humble-lan ko kasi, I’ll settle for his cross.
Mel says
It is valid question posit by Raïssa.
Is it F Marcos’ real body on display? “How much of that body is actually real?” What chemicals, plastics, paints are or were used to copy-cat and preserve the human remains of a once ruthless dictator for the last 27 years.
Or is it just a mere “dolled up like a full-size “Ken” doll and on display.”
For verification, why not have it bodily checked, forensic tested and ‘vetted’ for authenticity as part of the Petitioners’ motion for reconsideration. People of the Philippines might just be taken for fools to accord a “ken” doll with a ‘soldier’s burial.’ Baka naman last rites for a toy soldier ang kanilang finale.
– http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/11/08/16/petitioners-to-appeal-sc-decision-on-heros-burial-for-marcos
moonie says
makoy ken doll can be X-rayed in decubitus position, lying down, face up, see if there’s human bones in kenny boy. if not, makoy ken doll can be ct scanned, not an invasive procedure yan. if he’s the real deal, his innards should show corresponding human cavitations, with fillers.
moonie says
uhm, sorry po, I think, court order is needed if makoy ken doll is to be physically examined. medical examiner will oversee the job, hopefully, the medical examiner is independent and not marcos crony.
manilamac says
Hmmm…Good plan. Someone should apply for that court order at once! (And then stall & stall & stall…)
Mel says
Uso ang court ordered search warrants ngayon kahit sa mga preso.
Ba’t naman hindi ipa search warrant? Kung mannequin, ken doll o nalabi.
vandr says
nagbabala si bduts, isu-suspend ang writ of habeas corpus..hehehe..
Mel says
Legitimate or for illegitimate tests?
Chance to get a DNA for you know whom who still wishes to be relevant nowadays?
moonie says
who is brave enough to sign the search warrant?
the custodian ng libingan ought to do checking and examination, and ensure na talagang labi ni makoy ang ililibing, hindi yong effigy lang. baka few years down the track there will be exhumation and if found na effigy lang pala yong nilibing, pagtatawan yong custodian, ridiculed for being less vigilant and a jerk. custodian may lose his job.
leona says
@moonie. . . x-rayed? scanned? Pls donut!
. . . odds are: lots and lots of wires! thin and thick wires! Plus electronic chips! Hard disk! Apps and programs too! All these maybe Made in Japan too!
. . . what is only lacking is to make the object stand and walk. . . no machine yet for that. A semi-transformer gadget to ‘roll-into-all’. Once at the LMB,
. . . object will ran, stand and walk against vandals’ gimmicks! Believe the odds on this.
Modern times nowadays @moonie. . . don’t try to steal the CROSS!
:-)
moonie says
stop, thief! you broke my heart, leona. okay, no stealing of cross. sayang, I’ve already planned exit route.
leona says
@moonie. . . borrow the CROSS and some MEDALS but leave an executed notarized AFFIDAVIT with da Apo!
ha ha ha
martial_law_baby says
I remember after EDSA 1, Orly Mercado suggested that to raise funds, people can throw P1 coins to the bust of Marcos in Benguet. Unfortunately it was destroyed I believed, by the NPA. So in a different point of view, it would be easier for us to desecrate and vandalize the grave of Ferdinand Marcos Sr. at the LBNM. The Marcos family asked for it, lets give it to them.
marcosforever says
People know he deserves to be there. He fought for our motherland during WW2. Bayani sya tulad ng mga sundalong nakahimlay doon. What sets him apart from the other soldiers who were buried there is the reality that he was one time the PRESIDENT of this country. Some think like these group he does not deserve to be buried there, that’s their opinion. They must remember that there are millions of heads too like us who think otherwise. YES TO MARCOS BURIAL.
raissa says
What say you, guys?
leona says
@marcosforever. . . ‘Some think like these group xxx’
Yesterday Sen. Pacquiao asking the cops at the Senate hearing, blurted this comment or question to the cops:
. . . “something hiding something. . .” I was just reminded of ‘Some think’ of yours. . .
Truth of the matter is Marcos ‘changed’ his mind on loyalty to the country. after he surrendered or was captured by the Japanese mil forces. . .
. . . a novel way of loyalty to oneself – He thought of profiting unjustifiably in all forms of it.
After the war and even when president he continued on it. . . profit. Like Jack Sparrow of Black Pearl boat.
profiteer
:-(
moonie says
say ko, si marcosforever ay medyo mahina sa math. millions heads daw sila, pero sabi ko, mas marami-rami tayo kaya si bong marcos ay natalo at hindi naging bise. did not have enough heads to make a win.
no to marcos burial ako, kahit sinabi ng supreme court na yes. once sinabi ni digong na ang supreme court ay siyang pinakakurap sa buong bansa, now, I’m starting to see why.
still, no to marcos burial in libingan. kahit markdown na siya ngayon, tinawaran at soldier na lang instead of presidente. nagmumurang chicharon.
Mel says
Book of Life
Entry for
Ferdinand Emmanuel Edralin Marcos, Sr. (September 11, 1917 – September 28, 1989)
List of Achievements (public profile). Ferdie to his ilk, Macoy to Filipinos.
1. Soldier *
2. Congressman, then Senator *
3. President *
4. Dictator * (declared Martial Law )
5. Plunderer *
6. Human rights abuser *
Given the above facts, is he a hero to you?
Given your handle (@marcosforever ), be honest & truthful in your answer. You can’t
crossout one, two or three items just to highlight your other preferred choices.You may change the order, sort them to your preference but you can’t
crossout some and check mark the others.Otherwise you’d be remiss, guilty of omissions, delving only on selective half-truths and patently misleading, right? You alone knows who you really are with a given name.
Experiencing selective memory? Senile Filipinos would rather remember him (re ‘good times’), albeit loathsome than all of the above facts.
‘millions of heads too like us who think otherwise.’
Side Note
Did all Germans thought otherwise of Führer Adolf Hitler then? [let that sink for awhile] … Yes, so it is also with many more Filipinos of today remember vividly who really was Macoy? They’d rather look and remember Ferdinand Marcos not only bye some but despises him completely – his true & complete life’s HiStory. His name (see Tory) is synonymous also as a plunderer, human rights abuser, not only as a WWII soldier then a ‘brilliant’ lawyer, Congressman, Senator, President of the Republic including as a ruthless Dictator for 9 years.
IMHO, ‘Yes to Marcos burial’! Not on the backs of real heroes & heroines in any hallowed grounds, sanctuary or haven including the LNMB.
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Marcos
Marcos Articles can be found in this blogsite. Additional references can be supplied to post Martial Law babies, zombies or thousands of embeciles who thimk otherwise.
Poll Survey for Marcos Die-hard Loyalies
@marcosforever , here’s a test. Fill in the blanks.
[your name here], Your List of Achievements and qualities you would like people to remember you by … to be written on your tombstone or epitaph.
1. ________________
2. ________________
3. ________________
4. ________________
5. ________________
6. ________________
7. ________________
8. ________________
9. ________________
10. ________________
11. ________________
12. ________________
13. ________________
If not enough, attached separate page(s) as your annex.
As they say, good luck.
leona says
@Mel. . . now Marcos is a hero per SC decision. So, there should be a Number 7 added to your list on Book of Life,
‘No. 7. A Hero*’
:-)
leona says
Btw. . . ‘7’ is the lucky number of Marcos. Also 7-11 btw also.
:-)
leona says
@marcosforever says . . . at 11 Nov. 2016,
“Bayani sya tulad ng mga sundalong nakahimlay doon.”
Pres. Duterte & Gov. Imee does not say it or this though.
May I add: Marcos was not only a President at one time. He was a President for a LONG TIME – Twenty Years almost – ’65-86′.
Mel says
heh he heh
Sinadyang sais lang (6) – number of man.
Ika siete? Parang pinalabas na biyaya ng diyos sa pinas. Ang sa alin na biyaya kaniyo? Ang pangkasundalo o diktador o ang pandarambong?
Iyong sa mga Marcos LoyaLIES, trese naman dahil mas malaki ang ‘ego’ ng mga blind followers. They make it up, pruning the vitals to highlight some. Many of these are paid trolls. http://investmentwatchblog.com/a-good-short-video-citing-new-harvard-study-explaining-more-about-paid-govt-shills-and-trolls/
leona says
@Mel. . . ‘Blind followers’ – hakot yan!
Dami ng pera ang mga Marcoses, hakot lang ang gimmick.
How do the do it it? Probably in every city/town there is a fellow/group with BUDGET already for any hakot moves.
‘Well-oiled’ yan for everything from: placards, sign-boards, transportation, meeting places, colored T-Shirts with ‘Marcos’ name, atbpa.
Yun mga wala sa buhay, gusto ma hakot sila. May pera or pag kain. Yun lang dalawa na yan: PERA ‘o PAG KAIN.
Semply. Simple. HAKOT ‘d BLINDS!
:-(
netty says
I still remember this street in Manila, BALIC-BALIC , lol
“We tell the dead to rest in peace, when we should worry about the living to live in peace.”
The living Marcoses should be reading this.
CPMERS now have hilarious collections of trivia games.. who said the famous words??
ang kahoy, p.. ina, definitely, hero, soldier’s burial, etc
marcosforever, you’re kidding right?
A president can be a joker and a liar , too.
Would the foreign royalties be seen to visit and pay tribute to that hero of WW2?
Words are symbolic like in LMB, that is as serious as marcosforever or you wouldn’t use that name.
“What sets him apart from the other soldiers who were buried there is the reality that he was one time the PRESIDENT of this country.”
If he is special, why insist on getting buried there?
―Anthony Liccione
netty says
“We tell the dead to rest in peace, when we should worry about the living to live in peace.”
―Anthony Liccione
leona says
Thanks to J. Peralta of the SC decision on this burial issue for containing an exhaustive procedural and substantive discussion. Also with 187 FOOTNOTES.
It used to be known as REPUBLIC MEMORIAL CEMETERY but was changed to Libingan Ng Mga Bayani by Proclamation No. 86 signed by Pres. Magsaysay on Oct. 27, 1954. [Page 32, Decision; Footnote No. 130 – on the ‘Whereas Clause of the Proclamation –
. . . ‘WHEREAS, the name “Republic Memorial Cemetery” at Fort Wm McKinley, Rizal province, is not symbolic of the cause for which our soldiers have died, and does not truly express the nation’s esteem and reverence for her war dead;’
The LNMB Cemetery is for the nation’s esteem and reverence for her war dead – heroes.
One cannot get any other understanding from this Proclamation No. 86.
‘Marcos is esteemed and a reverend. . . a hero.’ That is the implied, if not expressed, decision of the SC.
leona says
Btw. . . does anyone see the words “a simple soldier’ in the Proclamation No. 86? None.
Is there that word ‘for Presidents’? None.
What is read? It proclaims the word ‘BAYANI’ . . Libingan Ng Mga Bayani’
What is ‘Bayani’? Hero.
Officially, per the Decision in this burial issue it is called LNMB . . . not just ‘LMB’. So, let everyone not make a mistake.
:-)
drill down says
if only you also mention that he took advantage of his position as president to kill many and steal a lot, too.
The Observer says
@marcosforever, you forgot to continue your statement by saying that F Marcos Sr was also a blatant dictator, abuser of human rights, plunderer, profiter, corrupt, etc. Your description of F Marcos Sr. is incomplete.
moonie says
pls lang po, dont steal his cross dahil I’m already thinking of stealing makoy’s 1st cross ever. there will be subsequent crosses made. the brazen among us will replace his cross with a cross with mickey mouse’s name on it, he, he, he.
duquemarino says
Libingan ng mga Bayani will become Libangan ng Bayan. Teo will promote it as a tourism destination
Kung may necropolitics, pwede rin ba necrotourism?
Sup says
Better quality but only 8.30
http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/11/10/16/imee-marcos-burial-at-lnmb-doesnt-make-him-a-hero
moonie says
burying makoy sa libingan will only make him an impostor sandwiched between dating prez carlos garcia and elpidio quirino. I have already said mano po to both garcia and quirino and I think, they’re both fine with moi being grave robber stealing makoy’s cross. and likewise, both will look the other way if makoy’s is vandalized, if you hear whistles, that’s them singing in the wind.
leona says
As of this morning, SC website has not yet published its decision re burial of Marcos.
One of the reasons given by the court was: 2. Pres. Duterte not bound by the agreement of Pres. Ramos and the Marcos family. Per the news reports source.
If there was an ‘AGREEMENT’ by Pres. Ramos with the Marcos family, what is the legal basis that Pres. Duterte is not bound by such agreement?
When will the decision be published?
What kind of ‘agreement’ that will bind Pres. Duterte? A State Agreement with concurrence by Congress?
An ‘agreement’ in the form of a TREATY with the concurrence of the Senate?
An ‘agreement’ with a legal consideration different from a purchase price like in a sale of real property known as ‘Option to Buy’ – ‘Option Not to Bury at LMB’? Or an agreement stated in a WAIVER signed by the party waiving?
Is this ‘agreement’ likened to that of a project contracted by the gov’t that a new President can disregard which was signed by the then previous President because it is inimical or it prejudices the interests of the present government?
Can a new president in 2022 disregard the burial of Marcos at the LMB and have the corpse removed to be buried in another place, under the theory that a President is not bound by agreement made by the previous president?
When is the decision to be published to the public to know the basis of disregarding the ‘Agreement’?
Rolly says
I like this argument of leona’s:
Can a new president in 2022 disregard the burial of Marcos at the LMB and have the corpse removed to be buried in another place, under the theory that a President is not bound by agreement made by the previous president?
Kaya lang, come 2028, another Dirte president elected and disregard his predecessor’s directive…balik uli sa LNMB. Then, lipat ulit in 2034 and so forth. Tawa ko yata.
curveball says
Kung meron “Lipat Bahay” meron na din “Lipat Bangkay”
Kung gaano kadalas ay malalaman natin yan sa mga susunod na tig aanim na taon.
Ewan ko lang kung hindi mahulas ang wax na yan.
moonie says
makoy ought to stay in batac, else risked being flying dutchman. sa kalilipat-lipat, his mortal remains will get lost, left in the train, in the rain, in the sewer, etc.
leona says
HA! HA! HA! @cuerveball. . .
– Balik Bangkayan! A SLOGAN for every presidential elections
So, divisive nga ang SC decision.
:-(
leona says
@Rolly. . . we have a street bordering Q.C. and Manila, named ‘Balik-Balik’,
. . . new name for that cemetery will be
BALIK-BALIK Ng Mga Bangkay = BBMB
:-(
Sup says
Enjoy reading 58 page’s Leona.
https://www.scribd.com/document/330646883/Supreme-Court-decision-on-Marcos-burial-case?secret_password=DVIfoVdLNYAv8HjpIDZi#from_embed
leona says
@Sup. . . thank for this site.
. . . hiking and trekking on this stuff . . . huff ‘n huffs
:-)
leona says
In the Constitution, the Supreme Court has the final say ‘to settle actual controversies involving rights which are legally demandable and enforceable’ [Sec. 1 Art. VIII].
In this issue of Marcos burial before the Court, Nine (9) Justices settled the issue vs Five (5) Justices. A difficult number to change for a MR by petitioners.
The decision settles the ‘actual controversy.’
Many can only study the decision, its rationale, the ‘What, Why, Who, Where and When.’ Include the ‘How.’ Agree or disagree with the decision on these 5Ws and 1H is what one can only utter.
I wanted to know many of the issues but initially for now the ‘Agreement’ issue that Pres. Duterte can disregard. What did the 9 majority Justices say?
Page 37-38. . . – Decision:
“The presidential power of control over the Executive Branch of the Government is a self-executing provision of the Constitution and does not require statutory implementation, nor may its exercise be limited, much less withdrawn,, by the legislature.” [Footnote No. 147]
“This is why Presidente Duterte is not bound by the alleged 1992 Agreement” [Footnote on Agreement] between President Ramos and the Marcos family to have the remains of Marcos interred in Batac, Ilocs Norte. As the incumbent President, he is free to amend, revoke or rescind political agreements entered into by his predecessors, and to determine policies which he consideres, based on informed judgment and presumed wisdom, will be most effective in carrying out his mandate.” [Pages 37-38, Decision}
It said. . . ‘cannot be withdrawn’ of Presidential Power of Control over the Executive Branch.
But why is Pres. Duterte allowed to disregard which is tantamount to ‘withdrawing’ what Pres. Ramos and the Marcos Family agreed in writing?
The Agreement referred to reveals:
“On August 19, 1992, the Government of the Republic of the Philippines, represented by Department of Interior and Local Government (DILG) Secretary Rafael M. Alunan III, and the family of the late President Marcos, represented by his widow, Mrs. Imelda R. Marcos, agreed on the following conditions and procedures by which the remains of the former President shall be brought to and interred in the Philippines:
I
‘It is hereby agreed that the remains of former President Ferdinand E. Marcos shall be allowed to be brought back to the Philippines from Hawaii, USA on 1 September 1992.
II
‘That the remains shall be brought directly from Hawaii, USA to Laog, Ilocos Norte by means of an aircraft which shall fly directly to its port of destination at Loag International Airport, Laog, Ilocos Norte. It shall be understood that once the aircraft enters the Philippine area of responsibility, stopover for whatevr reason in any airport other than the airport of destination shall be allowed only upon prior clearance from the Philippine Government.’
III
‘That the family of the late President Marcos undertakes to fix a wake period of nine (9) days beginning 1 September 1992 to allow friends, relatives and supporters to pay their courtesy, last respect and homage to the former President at the Marcos family home in Batac, Ilocos Norte. It shall undertake further to maintain peaceful and orderly wake and/or help and cooperate with the local government authorities ensure that the same will not be used to foment and promote civil disorder.’
IV
‘That the remains shall be buried [temporarily interred] on the 9th of September 1992 at the family burial grounds at Batac, Ilos Norte, provided that any transfer of burial grounds ahll be with prior clearance from the Philippine Government taking into account the prevailing socio-political climate.
V
‘The Government shall provide appropriate military honors during the wake and internment, the details of which shall be arranged and finalized by and between the parties thereto.’
VI
‘The Government shall ensure that the facilities at Laog International Airport will allow for a safe landing as well as processing of incoming passengers, their cargoes and/or existing laws and regulations.’
Same Footnote. . . it was agreed on August 26, 1992 with DILG Alunan informing Mrs. Marcos, the Gov’t will allow Marcos accorded honors befitting a war veteran, former member AFP, in general terms to include:Flag draped Coffin, Vigil Guards during the wake, Honor Guard, Firing Details, Taps and Pallbearers of retired generals under his command.
Also same Footnote. . . August 25, 1992, Roque R. Ablan wrote DILG Sec. Alunan, confirming the previous arrangements between him and Mrs. Marcos, on the foll:
1. Direct flight from Honolulu to Laog.
2. An interim burial until such time a healing period would have been attained, that he [Marcos] shall be transferred to Manila for final burial. [It says ‘MANILA’ and not at MAKATI – LNMB.?]
3. No parades in other provinces done.
4. Mrs. Marcos agreed in accordance with the memo with the government.
A ‘twist’ at the same Footnote. . . that after the Mass, Marcos would be brought to the Capitol [at Laog, Ilocos Norte] on Sept. 7, 1993 for viewing; on the next day, the remains would be brought to Batac where it should be placed side by side with the late Dona Josefa Edralin marcos x x x on Sept. 10, the late President Marcos would be buried in the mausoleum.
On Sept. 10, 1993 [ same Footnote] …the coffin of Marcos was opened inside the mausoleum and was subsequently placed inside a transparent glass for viewing.
[This all from the Decision and the Footnotes]
@Sup. . . I need an ice-cold Orange juice with a straw! sup sup suppppp!
:-)
leona says
It is FOOTNOTE NO. 148 rather. Sorry.
Sup says
This is why i gave you the link, i rather read your comments instead of 58 pages bla bla from 9 justices who decide this case by a lot of sentimental shit instead of facts.. Thanks Leona…:-)
leona says
. . . and THANK YOU too!
:-)
Sup says
Only a bad short 11 minutes now..maybe soon the whole interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyU4zSINkoM
yvonne says
Subscribing.
Sup says
Try free membership to watch.
First register then watch the whole episode .
http://tfc.tv/Episode/Details/113309/headstart-november-10-2016
raissa says
Can someone pls do a transcript for me on what Imee said about her father’s corpse and about the burial?
Thanks.
Sup says
I did watch the full interview.
Imee said:
We want a soldiers burial, no protocol ”wala bongga”
Simple ordenairy soldiers burial.
Because my father always went to Soldiers Hospital, veterans, Bataan day and PMA graduations.
No 21 salute, we did contact the army, by next week we hope to plan the route and date.
My family: simple, quiet quiet.
Thanks Duterte.
Duterte did promise it, we did never ask, a surprise for us,
My father always said ”I am going to end with my college soldiers.
Karen: Online question. ”Is the corps rea”l from a listener called John”
Imee: ”A bit morbid but we had to use a lot of chemicals, of course the body is real.
I am not a stenographer but did stop the interview sometimes to write her words, hope it is useful.
leona says
Simple ordenairy soldiers burial. . . .
Kung sa Simbahan, MISA DE CANTADA ang rites para sa VIP na patay.
Kung sa LIBINGAN ng VIP na patay, sinple ordenairy soldiers bural – MISA NA KAKATARANTA !
he he he